WOW! Parzival Wins the GPS with 84% [Archive]

torontodressage

Aug. 27, 2009, 02:45 PM

i haven't found any footage from the euros yet but thought you all might enjoy these interviews from the exquis dressage masters last month:

Adelinde: http://www.horsehero.com/1178/23070/23880
Edward: http://www.horsehero.com/1178/23070/23068
Laura: http://www.horsehero.com/1178/23070/23333

Old news :cry:

Are you on the payroll of Bechtolsheimer :confused:

All rides of the Euros can be found on Theo's website

Equibrit

Aug. 27, 2009, 03:23 PM

I think torontodressage must be a Theo alias.

claire

Aug. 27, 2009, 03:29 PM

Old news :cry:

Are you on the payroll of Bechtolsheimer :confused:

All rides of the Euros can be found on Theo's website

And torontodressage are you on the payroll of Theo?
Marketing his new BB? :lol:

In any case, Thank you dressageUK for the links to the interviews!

i haven't found any footage from the euros yet but thought you all might enjoy these interviews from the exquis dressage masters last month:

Adelinde: http://www.horsehero.com/1178/23070/23880
Edward: http://www.horsehero.com/1178/23070/23068
Laura: http://www.horsehero.com/1178/23070/23333

Jim Knopf

Aug. 27, 2009, 03:40 PM

Of course torontodressage = Theo. That was clear from the very beginning.

The fact that Parzival won the GPS is very good news for our sport. Love to see competition!!

Dressage Art

Aug. 27, 2009, 04:44 PM

Why does Theo needs aliases? Is he banned yet again?

dwblover

Aug. 27, 2009, 05:49 PM

I wholeheartedly love Totilas, but must admit it is SO nice to see there are horses who can go hoof to hoof with him!:) It just isn't as exciting when you always know who is going to win. Go Parzival and Adelinde!!!!!!

Sonesta

Aug. 27, 2009, 06:48 PM

MEP

Aug. 27, 2009, 07:00 PM

I have to say it was very exciting. Tortilas would have won, but for taking a step back after the first halt while EG was picking up his reins.

This is the first time I have seen Tortilas live and have to say he was spectacular. A friend of mine said he must be bionic and I have to agree that he is just a freakish mover - freakish in a good way.

But I don't want to take anything away from Parsival. He was elegant and floated across the arena.

Wow! Lucky you - what a fun show to attend! Please keep us posted :)

Hazelnut

Aug. 27, 2009, 09:56 PM

Wow! Lucky you - what a fun show to attend! Please keep us posted :)

I'll second that! What a line up...

torontodressage

Aug. 28, 2009, 11:13 AM

I have to say it was very exciting. Tortilas would have won, but for taking a step back after the first halt while EG was picking up his reins.

This is the first time I have seen Tortilas live and have to say he was spectacular. A friend of mine said he must be bionic and I have to agree that he is just a freakish mover - freakish in a good way.

But I don't want to take anything away from Parsival. He was elegant and floated across the arena.

Like the judges stated at the pressconference, "we have to discuss with the FEI if we could give higher scores as a 10 "

Adelinde received 8's, 9's and a few 10's, while Edward received 36x 10's many 9's and 8's but also 2's and 3's .

ridgeback

Aug. 28, 2009, 11:53 AM

Why does Theo needs aliases? Is he banned yet again?

He sure is....we all know his new alias....I wonder if Theo would allow his members to promote other boards on his....uh NO since he has so many silly levels and will monitor everything everyone says:lol::lol::lol: hypocrisy at its finest.

Equibrit

Aug. 28, 2009, 12:11 PM

Why does Theo needs aliases? Is he banned yet again?

He must have had his knuckles rapped for directing traffic to his own website.
He must need a spreadsheet to keep track of his alters by now.

canyonoak

Aug. 28, 2009, 01:50 PM

I know BBs are basically petty banana republics--and if I could dig up any of the famous old posts on "What Happens on a BB" I would do so... They always point out that whatever question is asked/whatever opinion is held, there are 14 people to agree, 12 who categorically say you are a chowderhead, 7 who move to ban the OP, 5 who then change the topic completely, 3 who point out it is not nice to highjack, and so on and so on.

I love this BB because it is is well-run; because there are a few people who actually make interesting comments (which is a few more than many other BBs);because it is a good place to come for news;because it is in my native tongue, English; and of course because there is always some controversy going on.

That said--I am in Theo's camp, as I suppose everyone knows by now, as I am always saying thank you for the videos,etc etc.,

I do so hope that whatever malice, whatever hurt, whatever anger there might be here, everyone will at least acknowledge that having access to videos of the quality that Theo provides is a service ,and that no one tries to ruin this great source of education and entertainment.

I am always hoping for horse sport to become more like other business sports; and of course that means, money to be made out of what goes on in the sport.

So FEI TV fights with clipmyhorse and filmloop and NOS cannot show video outside of Netherlands,and so on and so forth...but here I am going to be totally selfish and say that I hope to always be able to watch Theo's videos.

Equibrit

Aug. 28, 2009, 02:14 PM

Trouble is - in achieving your nirvana you have to brown-nose Theo. How does the FEI feel about his "great source of education and entertainment" ?

ridgeback

Aug. 28, 2009, 02:48 PM

Trouble is - in achieving your nirvana you have to brown-nose Theo. How does the FEI feel about his "great source of education and entertainment" ?

Couldn't agree with you more Equibrit. Canyonoak I agree it is great to have the videos Theo provides but sadly he acts like a child when people don't agree with everything he says not to mention the TRUTH often escapes his reality. How many 50+ year old men do you know that resort to calling people stupid or idiots:eek: He has his own sandbox now to play in and throw his temper tantrum when people don't bow down to him. It appears both you and Theo think you have all the answers to everything that is wrong with Dressage but I will say you are much nicer about your opinions then your buddy is.

Equibrit

Aug. 28, 2009, 03:40 PM

It must cost a terrific amount to purchase a re-broadcast license for the FEI footage !! Anybody who doesn't should probably expect a call from the FEI and a hefty lawsuit for theft.

MEP

Aug. 28, 2009, 04:11 PM

I don't know why it has to be "brown-nosing" to be polite. When someone does something nice, it should just be common courtesy to say 'thanks.' It is not Theo's job to post all these videos. He takes time out of his life to do this for us, and I appreciate it. (and that doesn't mean that you don't need to thank people for helping you when they do their job. Agaiin, its polite to say thank you. Doesn't mean you are 'brown=nosing'. Now if you want to brown-nose, Tell them they are the best, smartest, prettiest, most handsome, etc. person in the world. Now, THAT'S brown-nosing :lol:)

And all you guys who fight with Theo are just about as hair=trigger in arguing with others as he is. Pots & kettles - look at each other and look at yourselves.

Some people who come to this board have access to more information than I do. So, I appreciate hearing from ALL of you - I have no access to information other than what I read in the press, and on the web. So, for some odd reason, I enjoy reading what ALL you folks have to say even if I disagree.

I just wish you all could disagree with each other without calling names. And don't say 'he starts it' - all you people prone to arguing are pretty quick to fight with others as well. Although most of the time, I find it somewhat entertaining, at other times, its just tiresome: The same ole folks calling each other the same ole names.

And no, I'm not pointing fingers at specifc people right now, nor am I calling you names. I'm making general observations.

torontodressage

Aug. 28, 2009, 06:09 PM

It must cost a terrific amount to purchase a re-broadcast license for the FEI footage !! Anybody who doesn't should probably expect a call from the FEI and a hefty lawsuit for theft.

It must cost a terrific amount to purchase the rights to broadcast the choreography and music which Theo's company make for their cliënts. :D

Could it be that they made a deal with him :yes:

Equibrit

Aug. 28, 2009, 06:37 PM

I don't know - but I wouldn't believe an anonymous poster from Toronto.

claire

Aug. 28, 2009, 11:02 PM

So, the bar has been raised to 80%...

Are we talking about amazing breeding or amazing riders/training programs? :cool:

Pommederue

Aug. 28, 2009, 11:32 PM

It must cost a terrific amount to purchase the rights to broadcast the choreography and music which Theo's company make for their cliënts. :D

Could it be that they made a deal with him :yes:

So, are you saying Theo 'owns' the music once he puts it into a freestyle or does he actually create his own music?

I like to watch videos Theo posts but are also other sources.

There are definitely some brown-nosers here...:cool:

Sabine

Aug. 29, 2009, 12:35 AM

Trouble is - in achieving your nirvana you have to brown-nose Theo. How does the FEI feel about his "great source of education and entertainment" ?

If you wouldn't take yourself- or for that matter what Theo says- so serious- none of this would be important...having access to some of his knowledge and all of his videos is priceless...the rest just proves that you need to visit Europe for a while...take a breather and relax...because in the end- the vids and the factual info are so much more important than the various vibrations of emotional something....

Now how about that??

ridgeback

Aug. 29, 2009, 08:24 AM

So, the bar has been raised to 80%...

Are we talking about amazing breeding or amazing riders/training programs? :cool:

Breeding!! not to take away from Edward Gal he's an awesome rider but I believe most of the credit goes to the breeding.

ridgeback

Aug. 29, 2009, 08:25 AM

If you wouldn't take yourself- or for that matter what Theo says- so serious- none of this would be important...having access to some of his knowledge and all of his videos is priceless...the rest just proves that you need to visit Europe for a while...take a breather and relax...because in the end- the vids and the factual info are so much more important than the various vibrations of emotional something....

Now how about that??

What proves she has to go to Europe? Sabine you could always go back:winkgrin:;)

Equibrit

Aug. 29, 2009, 09:06 AM

Dressage Art

Aug. 29, 2009, 01:45 PM

WOW!!! I missed why/when he was banned... yet again... from yet another BB? What did he have to do to piss of the current mods that have supper patience- the ones who resurrected him from multiple Erin's bannings? Shocking!

It seems that he has a talent for picking fights even with some of his supporters. While I enjoyed his videos and reading first hand information/gossip, he always seemed too eager to jump on most posters and start name calling. I'm not sure for how long any self-respecting adult can put up with that, even for the sake of so called "education" ;)

He seems to polarize topics and people. It's a real shame that he lacks a "lighter touch" in his communication style.

siegi b.

Aug. 29, 2009, 06:34 PM

.... and when all of you are done picking apart the goodies that come with Theo posting on this BB, why don't you tell us what you bring to the table?

Enough is enough!

Sabine

Aug. 30, 2009, 12:42 AM

.... and when all of you are done picking apart the goodies that come with Theo posting on this BB, why don't you tell us what you bring to the table?

Enough is enough!

good on you Siegi and everyone else that pM'd me...what a bunch of kindergardners....go ride- train a horse and then think how you can enrich your knowledge and experience...frankly it's not hearing about the latest pad or pant that fits the special needs- (that might work fine for the advertisers here-but that's not why I read this board...)

Theo has been instrumental in opening everyone's eyes on what dressage will be/is- by having generous access to his videos...which are btw firstclass. If you can see and know dressage you can learn from those vids and see what is happening and see how the world is changing right now...as witnessed by the recent Europeans- an enormous, HUGE upset in dressage- a whole new world- that is proving that Sjef is right- that his training HAS merit and that the bar has been raised about 18 inches.... or so...LOL!

Grow up everyone that is serious about this sport- even if you or I will never compete internatioally or even nationally- but raise your awareness and your knowledge...and this is what Theo facillitated...(sad this is in the past)...it was showing the path and I guess a lot of you guys out there are not really into this.....how sad and how shocking...to a large degree....

Dressage Art

Aug. 30, 2009, 04:11 AM

as witnessed by the recent Europeans- an enormous, HUGE upset in dressage- a whole new world- that is proving that Sjef is right- that his training HAS merit and that the bar has been raised about 18 inches.... or so...LOL!
But, the idea that future dressage training will be Sjef-like doesn't exite me at all. I really don't want to warm up in the arena with RK curled up horses as it's seen in Europe. I like that we are behind the ball and RK is not yet all over our local barns and arenas. I like our US judges who are able to score training of dressage horses, not like European judges who concentrate on gaits much more than US judges.

I like to show, but if dressage shows are so strongly moving towards Sjef's training methods and that's what is needed to win now, I don't want to be a part of that, the horse doesn't appear to be a "happy athlete" under Sjef's training... and I'm not sure that he cares either...

ridgeback

Aug. 30, 2009, 09:10 AM

good on you Siegi and everyone else that pM'd me...what a bunch of kindergardners....go ride- train a horse and then think how you can enrich your knowledge and experience...frankly it's not hearing about the latest pad or pant that fits the special needs- (that might work fine for the advertisers here-but that's not why I read this board...)

Theo has been instrumental in opening everyone's eyes on what dressage will be/is- by having generous access to his videos...which are btw firstclass. If you can see and know dressage you can learn from those vids and see what is happening and see how the world is changing right now...as witnessed by the recent Europeans- an enormous, HUGE upset in dressage- a whole new world- that is proving that Sjef is right- that his training HAS merit and that the bar has been raised about 18 inches.... or so...LOL!

Grow up everyone that is serious about this sport- even if you or I will never compete internatioally or even nationally- but raise your awareness and your knowledge...and this is what Theo facillitated...(sad this is in the past)...it was showing the path and I guess a lot of you guys out there are not really into this.....how sad and how shocking...to a large degree....

First Sabine I give the credit to the breeders...RK did not make Gal's horse the breeders did. Secondly I don't know about you but I don't read this board to see how many people Theo has called stupid or an idiot just because they happen not to agree with his views on every subject. His videos were enjoyable but when he resorts to name calling it is a bit much. You call people out on this thread as being kindergarten but I don't see you calling Theo out for his name calling.:confused:

Equibrit

Aug. 30, 2009, 10:29 AM

The theory, that you must not be serious about the sport , because you cannot tolerate a rude meglomaniac and his insults/manipulation is clearly ludicrous.

egontoast

Aug. 30, 2009, 10:33 AM

Good Lord, do Dressage Art , Equibrit and ridgeback have anything useful to add to the board except to scream about how much they hate Theo? How many posts do we need on this. Check out their posts on this thread.

I've been accused by some of those of only posting jokey stuff but geez maybe that's preferable to the vicious hatefest we see on this thread. At least try to be entertaining if you have nothing interesting to say. The ignore button will cure ALL your difficulties with Theo or his alters but I suspect that's not really what the 3 catty amigos want.

And all that petty crap aside, what an amazing time it is to be following international dressage. Really interesting. Can't wait to see Ravel out there in competition with parsival, Totilas and all the other lovelies.

Equibrit

Aug. 30, 2009, 10:44 AM

It's not about you, ego.

egontoast

Aug. 30, 2009, 10:56 AM

Right, it's all about you, equibrit.

Why not put Theo and his alter on ignore? Would that not solve your problem ? :confused:

egontoast

Aug. 30, 2009, 11:04 AM

To repeat and hopefully get the thread back on track?

"What an amazing time it is to be following international dressage. Really interesting. Can't wait to see Ravel out there in competition with parsival, Totilas and all the other lovelies."

:):):)

ridgeback

Aug. 30, 2009, 11:05 AM

Right, it's all about you, equibrit.

Why not put Theo and his alter on ignore? Would that not solve your problem ? :confused:

:lol::lol::lol: Some go around calling people names and being beyond arrogant and snotty(lets look at some of your posts with SLC) here are the facts Egontoast I pointed out why Theo was most likely banned....He calls people stupid or an idiot if they disagree with him.. How is pointing that out hateful:confused: I think the people calling names is hateful. I don't hate anyone it takes up to much energy.:no:

You are correct the thread should get back to the topic:)

egontoast

Aug. 30, 2009, 11:10 AM

He calls people stupid or an idiot if they disagree with him.. How is pointing that out hateful:confused: I think the people calling names is hateful. I don't hate anyone it takes up to much energy.:no:

You mean like calling someone "ego " when that is not the name? Hmm?

Poor you, so misunderstood.

:lol:

Care to discuss the topic or would you rather keep insulting people?:winkgrin:

Equibrit

Aug. 30, 2009, 11:11 AM

Right, it's all about you, equibrit.

Why not put Theo and his alter on ignore? Would that not solve your problem ? :confused:

Not about me either, and there is no problem. I, for one, am merely having a conversation. you are not obliged to share my point of view. However, if you do, insults and abuse, are not the acceptable way of expressing yourself.

ridgeback

Aug. 30, 2009, 11:12 AM

You mean like calling someone "ego " when that is not the name? Hmm?

Poor you, so misunderstood.

:lol:

Care to discuss the topic or would you rather keep insulting people?:winkgrin:

Sorry I was in a hurry and was on the phone...I will change it.

I enjoyed watching Parzival at Olympia it was just she and her husband no groom. He's a great horse I like his movement more then Gal's horse to me it is more natural. Kudos to the dutch breeders!!!

claire

Aug. 30, 2009, 11:27 AM

Though I understand that threads take turns, the direction this thread has taken is :dead:

Theo broke the posting rules and was banned by the mods.
Might I humbly suggest to those disagreeing with this decision that they write the mods/COTH editors.

Theo has started his own forum, so those missing his videos and viewpoints can easily obtain access on his forum.

For those who are annoyed that Theo has come back to COTH as an alter. :rolleyes:
There is a nice feature called the ignore button.
And, I'm sure if this new alter starts with the rude, personal comments the mods will address the situation.

So, how about Parzival's Kur? :winkgrin:

mbm

Aug. 30, 2009, 12:51 PM

i liked Parzival's kur.... that to me is much more what i believe dressage should "be" ... altho i still think the contact is too harsh and to backwards..... at least he looks relaxed and not too crammed together.

i am trying to find Laura's ride - would like to see that too.

(also i am so glad to see avg done. i have never liked her riding style and all i can think of is that there was a decision made that she would no longer dominate..... )

alicen

Aug. 30, 2009, 01:02 PM

Laura B's kur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MOudVGSsTs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ebokt%2Enl%2Fforums%2Fviewt opic%2Ephp%3Fsid%3D862390b154befe1a4a61350188ba03c b%26f%3D11%26t%3D1162624&feature=player_embedded

claire

Aug. 30, 2009, 01:05 PM

i liked Parzival's kur.... that to me is much more what i believe dressage should "be" ... altho i still think the contact is too harsh and to backwards..... at least he looks relaxed and not too crammed together.

i am trying to find Laura's ride - would like to see that too.

Here is Laura's ride.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MOudVGSsTs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MOudVGSsTs)

Actually, Parzival and Mistral are my favorites. (Do I love flashy chestnuts? :winkgrin: )

But Dressage is so subjective and everyone's tastes vary. No?

Ambrey

Aug. 30, 2009, 01:24 PM

Here is Laura's ride.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MOudVGSsTs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MOudVGSsTs)

Actually, Parzival and Mistral are my favorites. (Do I love flashy chestnuts? :winkgrin: )

But Dressage is so subjective and everyone's tastes vary. No?

Love the horse, really didn't care for the music at all! And I prefer Edward's riding style.

Did someone post Parzival's kur?

Different opinions make the world go around.

Hey, did anyone post the scores from the different judges? I am wondering whether they were closer this time or whether the judges still are not agreeing ;)

claire

Aug. 30, 2009, 01:30 PM

1.) Edward/Totilas' Kur:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZhtiCqBAGM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZhtiCqBAGM)

2.)Adelinde/Parsival's Kur:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThUmOLYy6zA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThUmOLYy6zA)

3.) Anky/Salinero's Kur:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IotibRPJrjI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IotibRPJrjI)

4.) Laura/Mistral's Kur:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MOudVGSsTs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MOudVGSsTs)