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LovinRocky
Aug. 26, 2009, 02:57 PM
I need to start out saying I love my horse and am freaking out about his recent change in urination. I had to come home from work sick today to check on him.
It all started Monday when I took him to the farrier. As he was getting his feet done, he just started to urinate. I quickly led him out of the barn, where he finished urinating in the grass. Ok, no worries unitl he did it AGAIN before the farrier was done. This entire visit was a little over an hour. I got him home, unloaded him and he urinated again in the pasture.
Tuesday morning I took him trail riding, his favorite activity. He had to stop twice to urinate. I called my vet who had me bring him in. He urinated in the trailer on the way home from the vet.
The vet cleaned and "debeaned" his sheath. He also oiled him because he said this is a side effect of blister beetles.
I DID feed alfalfa and looked through it when I got home. I did not notice any obvious beetles in it. No more alfalfa ever for my guy.
I tried to research blister beetles, but I can't figure out if this is the cause for his frequent urination or not.
He seems to be walking around a lot more "hanging it" down loosly. All the times I saw him urinate it was a steady stream, looked normal, no blood or discolorations I could see. He does not appear to be in any pain. He just keeps looking at me funny since I am continually out there staring at him.

Does anyone else have any other ideas of what could cause this increase of urination?
Thanks!

AKB
Aug. 26, 2009, 03:26 PM
Give us more information. How old is he? Does he have a fever? Has his diet changed recently? Could he have Cushings/metabolic syndrome? Does he have kidney disease? I would talk with the vet to see if he wants to run a urinalysis and some blood work to check kidney function. My next step would be to make an appointment with an internal medicine specialist at your local vet hospital. I admit that I am a worrier. Our horses are generally very healthy. When they do get sick, it is usually a complicated problem, so over the years, we have spent a lot of time at the vet hospital.

LovinRocky
Aug. 26, 2009, 03:40 PM
He is 15. Nothing has changed in his diet recently, except me not feeding alfalfa after I have noticed the urination issue. No fever.
I was just researching cushings and he does not have any symptoms of that besides the frequent urinating, so I don't think it is that.
I don't think he has kidney disease, he has always been very healthy.
He seems completely normal to me. He is eating normal. His weight is normal. He is sound. (finally) On his trail ride yesterday you couldn't have forced his ears from the front locked and happy position.
I had him at the vet quite a few times this month due to soundness issues. I had his stifles and fetlocks injected. These injections took place over a few days. He had 8 blocks done on August 9 and the 4 joints I just mentioned done on August 12. He has had 2 shots of Legend, one was on August 20 and the other was yesterday when I had him examined for the frequent urinating. He has had one shot of Adequan this month, that was on August 09
He has has 2 IV bute injections, 2 IV antibiotic injections, one each on the
9th and on the 12th.
Do you think him being a pin cushion this month could have anything to do with it?

AKB
Aug. 26, 2009, 11:34 PM
I don't know if all of the steroid joint injections could provoke a temporary metabolic syndrome/Cushings. I think it is time to talk with your vet again to make sure his kidneys are ok and that there is nothing else that needs to be checked.

tpup
Aug. 27, 2009, 06:25 AM
I would do a urinalysis and bloodwork to check kidneys. It sounds like a UTI to me.

FlashGordon
Aug. 27, 2009, 12:48 PM
I would do a urinalysis and bloodwork to check kidneys. It sounds like a UTI to me.

Yes I'd do urinalysis and BW too. And your vet can do a rectal to check for stones or an abnormalities.

Beyond that you may have to haul out for diagnostics.... ultrasound or scoping.

I'd also discuss with your vet about reducing his calcium intake, perhaps laying off the alfalfa.

Is he on any new supplements or feed? Sometimes there can be ingredients that cause changes in urination. My own vet had problems with her gelding, took him to Cornell and did the whole 9 yards... finally took him off a supplement he'd been on and the urination problems stopped.

Going through urination issues with my own horse right now so I can relate. Hope your boy is feeling better soon!

LovinRocky
Aug. 27, 2009, 06:33 PM
Thanks guys!
I am taking him to a show this weekend, so I will have a better idea of his water intake and his urine output. At home there are 2 horses, 110gallons of fresh water and a stock pond they drink out of. They are turned out 24/7 so no way to accuratly moniter urination unless out there with him, which I have been as much as possible.
Last night I saw him urinate twice; 2.5 hours apart. Today I went home for lunch and sat with him for 1.5 hours and he never urinated. He has also been keeping himself tucked in rather than flopping around, so maybe whatever it is may be passing over.
I took him off the alfalfa on Tuesday afternoon.
Keeping my fingers crossed...........

hoopoe
Aug. 27, 2009, 09:40 PM
I don't think he has kidney disease, he has always been very healthy


kidney disease is something that can develop over time. It is potentially part of aging.

He has had a lot of steroid which in itself can cause an increased drink and urine

If it were my horse I would get a baseline blood screen now.

veebug22
Aug. 28, 2009, 11:36 AM
Frequent urination is a common symptom of ulcers or digestion issue. For my gelding, it was ulcers and signaled that they were becoming intensely painful (he was trying to relieve the pain in any way he could, so he tried peeing constantly). It wouldn't hurt to try a few days of Ulcergard (full tube) or Gastrogard and see if it has any effect. Is he still enthusiastic about grain and hay and drinking normal amounts (for him) of water? My gelding's water consumption went down, then he started picking at his hay, and finally he wasn't as interested in grain. This all happened over the course of a couple weeks, I would say, so when the pain was to the point that he was symptomatic just standing around, they flared up quickly. Before that, the big symptom that I took as a hock issue was he started refusing jumps. I was sure it was physical, but thought it was his hocks. He was due for hock injections, but it came on suddenly and he looked sound otherwise, so it wasn't acting like he normally does when he's uncomfortable through the hocks. It was ulcers.

LovinRocky
Aug. 28, 2009, 11:32 PM
You guys have been so helpful! I am at the show and he has been fine. Normal urination all day today. I am starting to think my vet was right on Tuesday he may have eaten some blister beetles from his alfalfa. I promptly discontinued his alfalfa and he has gotten better each day since.
He has drank one bucket of water since we got here about 3 hours ago, which is normal.
Thank goodness, I have been freaking out all week. Hopefully he is back to normal. I can't take my closest friend being sick.
I will post any updates if that wasn't the problem.
Thank you again for your assistance!