How would you score this?

[Ibex]

Out of curiosity after seeing how it was jump judged on the weekend...

Horse presents. Clear refusal.

Horse represents, stops, body shifts back but feet do not move back. Horse then goes forward and completes the obstacle.


How many refusals?

[Ajierene]

At a schooling show, maybe one refusal.

At a recognized show - depends on the length of the pause...a fraction of a second, maybe not a second refusal. More so, a refusal.

[smokescreen]

One, I give the rider the benefit of the doubt.If it was
Rolex or the WEG's I may describe it to the TD and ask there opinion. I jump judge a lot.

[Thames Pirate]

If it's more of a "twitch"--horse never really stopped, but maybe flinched or half-stopped or thought about stopping while already going, I say it's not a stop. If the horse really STOPS and jumps from a standstill I call it a stop.

[Meredith Clark]

I've jump judged at Fair Hill (recognized and starter) and we were suggested to use the 3 second rule. If the horse is stationary for more than 3 seconds (1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi...) then it's a (or another) refusal. If the horse takes a step back then it defiantly is.

I tend to be more lenient at starter trials especially at the "tough jumps" like the water or ditch. If the horse takes a long look but still has all intentions of going forward eventually... then its ok by me!

[Elghund2]

I would have scored it as two refusals. The original refusal and then the second stop. Once forward progress stops it is a refusal unless at an element without height.

[subk]

Out of curiosity after seeing how it was jump judged on the weekend...

Horse presents. Clear refusal.

Horse represents, stops, body shifts back but feet do not move back. Horse then goes forward and completes the obstacle.


How many refusals?
You need to clarify if the jump had any height.

[Ibex]

Nope. It's a drop. No height.

Most horses paused, looked, hopped down but never stopped the forward momentum.

The second stop in this instance was a big pause, but not the full out slam on the brakes like the first one.

[subk]

The penalties for jumping from a standstill came out after some research that showed that do so greatly increased the chances of a rotational fall (the worst/most dangerous of all falls.) I think there was a big squawk about jumps with no height poising no threat of a rotational so the rule was amended to be only for jumps with height. So I think (and I'm happy to be corrected!) as long as the horse does not step back at a drop, ditch or water entry it's all good.

[RoeVee]

SUBK - you are correct. EV142 - 2.a.2 - height less than 30 inches - stop and immediately followed by a jump is not penalized.

For jump judging - depending on the type of competition (schooling vs recognized) impacts my decision on 'immediately'. At schooling, if it is a full 3 seconds before they go, as long as they don't step back - no refusal. Recognized - stricter with the 3 second rule.

[EiRide]

If the fence had no height (drop, ditch, water) then 1 refusal.
If the fence had height, then two.

[SevenDogs]

One refusal.

[OverandOnward]

SUBK - you are correct. EV142 - 2.a.2 - height less than 30 inches - stop and immediately followed by a jump is not penalized.

For jump judging - depending on the type of competition (schooling vs recognized) impacts my decision on 'immediately'. At schooling, if it is a full 3 seconds before they go, as long as they don't step back - no refusal. Recognized - stricter with the 3 second rule. You know 30 inches is an important distinction. This sounds like a jump from a standstill would be allowed at 2'6" and under - no backward step, no penalties, if the pause were short. That would be a lot of BN jumps. I rather thought the rules were trying to discourage this, especially if a horse were directly in front of the jump and could catch a leg on it.

[lxt]

Please note the rule is 30 *cm* not 30 *inches*. 30 cm is about 12 inches.

And just to be on track, that sounds like one stop at an obstacle with no height, and two stops at an obstacle with height.