Help with mission impossible - stallion search

[mzm farm]

Desired:
short backed with short cannon bones and hocks low to the ground, good to great easy going temperament, hunter/dressage type free shoulder, lots of knee action not ness.
Extremely low stud and booking fees
Height pretty flexible, 15.2hh - 17.1

Any tips appreciated - websites, links, etc.
Good fertility a plus, cooled or frozen

[Majestic Gaits]

What price range of stud fees are you looking for?

Kathy

[stoicfish]

Here are lists from CWBHA and CSH.
http://www.canadianwarmbloods.com/stalliondirectory.php#Approved
http://www.c-s-h-a.org/cshahms/stallion
The exchange might help.

[pintopiaffe]

Where are you and what registries are you looking to be eligible for?

And good fertility needs to be high on the requirements, or the low stud fee becomes a moot point. ;)

[FriesianX]

Registry requirements? Type of mare? What you are hoping to get from the stallion's genes? There are so many DIFFERENT types that meet your requirements;) Are you breeding for dressage or hunters? Or something else? Not enough information to really give meaningful suggestions.

[mzm farm]

The goal is to produce a very tractable athletic horse in 16-16.3hh range.

The mare is a complete saint, nice mover, shown USDF in hand as a baby with solid scores (75%+). Looking to produce all all-arounder with conformation slightly improved on what mare brings. She has a great mind and is quite athletic, lacks the fire to be an upper level prospect, likely a good hunter candidate. Most sibs and half sibs are "A" circuit hunters. She is 16.2 dark chocolate bay.

You can see her video clip at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi3LO9Tt-uw

The mare is sold, but I have several foal options on her. So am trying to find studs to consider, this year or next. Right now she is available for a custom foal, so pretend like you were picking for yourself - if money was no object, whom would you pick? If you had 500 or less to spend on the stud, whom would you pick?

Registry is not so important to me. Mare brings Gotthard, Ferdinand, Pik As (Hanoverian) Mahagoni, Abglanz (Trak) bloodlines. Not looking for flashy "hot" papers, but the horse itself. The kind you would want to own/ride with or without papers. I guess I tend to like the older more proven bloodlines.

Looking forward to your collective wisdom.:)

[Dressage_Diva333]

Redwine. He's got a great temperment. Stands about 16.1 hands I think? Though he's competing in Hunters, he's bred for Dressage (Rostpon/ Matcho). I'm sure he could also be a rather successful Dressage horse. Wonderful neck set, seems to really pass it on. Stud fee is very low ($1000), and his semen is exceptional! I've got one on the way, can't wait!

[mzm farm]

Redwine is EVA seroconverted, don't know if that is due to exposure or vacination. I would have to vaccinate my mare for it prior to breeding and either isolate her or vaccinate all other broodmares as well, pregnant mares are at risk of pregnancy loss if vaccinated at an inappropriate time. This is way more work, expense, and risk then I would want to undergo for a breeding.

Thank you for the suggestion though. He is a very nice looking horse.

[Fairview Horse Center]

Nevada has a medium back, with a super connection, not a short back, but definitely fits your other criteria. He has an incredible disposition, and his babies are winning in Hunters, Dressage, Eventing, and Schooling jumpers with their amateur and junior owner/riders. His stud fee is $500, but his babies are winning against horses whose sires stand for 4 x his fee.
http://virginiaequestrian.com/main.cfm?action=Classifieds&sub=view&ID=45223

[allanglos]

Desired:
short backed with short cannon bones and hocks low to the ground, good to great easy going temperament, hunter/dressage type free shoulder, lots of knee action not ness.
Extremely low stud and booking fees
Height pretty flexible, 15.2hh - 17.1

Any tips appreciated - websites, links, etc.
Good fertility a plus, cooled or frozen

There were over 300 stallions at www.SHNpayback.com for the 2009 year, all at half price, including Redwine, Aloha, Escapade, Escapade II (who is Very nice), Apiro, and many many others.

The 2010 offerings begin on 1 September. It is a great place to find a wide selection of stallions and at a very reasonable fee. We have already added Riverman (Hilltop) for 2010.

So keep checking back.

[avadog]

Not to be rude but if you only have $500 to spend why are you breeding?

[mzm farm]

I did not say I only have 500 to spend. I want to know if there are some nice stallions at bargain prices. If I find one that seems like a good match for my mare, then why not? It is just a way to narrow my criteria since I am not looking to breed a "hot" papered/hot lines at the moment horse nor an Olympic contender.

Besides the outlay for the stud fee, there are many other costs to consider. If I can get what I need for less, I see no reason to pay more. After all, the foals do not have the stud fee stamped on them, it is only the foal's quality itself that matters.

Fuertanzer, for example, was a very good quality stallion and stood at next to nothing. There was another older stallion that just entered stud this year after a great performance career and with some unusual but good lines that stood at 300 or so. Wish I remembered his name, can't seem to find him again.

[Charmb]

Here's a great idea as well, pick your top 3 or 4 choices, then see if they are donating a breeding to any of the Stallion Service Auctions (including SNH). If so, then register and bid away. That is a great way to support breeding associations, stallion owners, and to expand your budget. Most SSA bids start at half the regular fee for the stallion, and some even go for that dollar. It may also give your foal eligibility to enter special foal or performance classes as well. There are a ton of good stallions out there, many with the shorter back you are looking for, etc. Char

[Fairview Horse Center]

There was another older stallion that just entered stud this year after a great performance career and with some unusual but good lines that stood at 300 or so. Wish I remembered his name, can't seem to find him again.

Edelweiss De Bonce http://www.avalon-equine.com/stallions.html

[Charmb]

Question. I have seen 3 up here in our Province. Most people here bred to him cause it was free, and registration did not matter, as long as the stallion was approved (which is he was in Canada with the Can.Trakehner) they felt the offspring would be very saleable. He was an absolutely fabulous horse. However, 2 out of the 3 offspring near here, are VERY hot, VERY difficult. 1 is being presented as a stallion prospect and is out of a lovely Arabian mare, and he has a disposition to die for. His dam just went premium upon inspection with the CWHBA. So, wonder what other offspring by him are out there, as the proof is in the pudding.

[mzm farm]

Maybe it is a topic worth exploring in another thread. I have one of his foals, coming 3 so will know more about his under saddle abilities next year. So far he reminds me very much of his siblings, but the mother is very prepotent. Good thing I like her :winkgrin: I was actually breeding for a replacement filly, but as luck would have it got a colt instead (after 2 fillies in a row from my stallion).

He is compact, athletic, sensitive, pretty sensible and cooperative. I have not seen anything to make me think he will be hot. He has a super nice neck, strong back. No major flaws, as expected as neither mare nor sire appeared to have anything major. I look forward to starting him next year, unless he is sold prior.

Thanks for the link to the de Bonce horse. Guess his stud fee went up significantly. He is at 1500 on his site vs. the 300 or so I remembered.

[Tamara in TN]

Desired:
short backed with short cannon bones and hocks low to the ground, good to great easy going temperament, hunter/dressage type free shoulder, lots of knee action not ness.
Extremely low stud and booking fees
Height pretty flexible, 15.2hh - 17.1

Any tips appreciated - websites, links, etc.
Good fertility a plus, cooled or frozen

well you had my stallion til "15.2"

he's only 14.2 ;)

[cheekyhorse]

Have a look at Pacific. He sounds like what you would be looking for. ;)

[ahf]

Redwine is EVA seroconverted, don't know if that is due to exposure or vacination.

I'm sorry Mzm...i'm not picking on you. It just makes me twitch when I see mis-information about EVA. THough the statement is technically true.

Yes, both vaccination and natural exposure to EVA will cause a horse to "seroconvert" (have circulating antibodies in the blood for the disease). However, that's not why you need to vaccinate when using this stallion. It is because he contracted the virus naturally and sheds the virus in his semen. Stallions that have been vaccinated as a precaution to EVA do NOT shed the virus in the semen. That's why we vaccinate them.

I would have to vaccinate my mare for it prior to breeding and either isolate her or vaccinate all other broodmares as well, pregnant mares are at risk of pregnancy loss if vaccinated at an inappropriate time.

You are also correct here. But again, it's because the stallion is a SHEDDER, not because he has seroconverted. It may sound like quibbling, but there is a very big difference.

Again, not picking on you, and good luck in your search!

[Oakstable]

There are many mare owners who have stallion shares they bought but did not use for many reasons.

They would be happy to sell it for $500.

Better $500 than nothing.

I have one and a friend of mine has two.

Nice stallions.

Another friend comes to mind ... so that's three.

Would be a good thread in one forum, probably not COTH, but stallion shares that are on the table available inexpensively.

[Olympussporthorses]

My young BWP stallion Gran Casso will be offered at a low introductory price next year. I'll also offer early booking and quality mare discounts.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/562398896QcwCBn?vhost=good-times

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=qp7mav&d=gran+casso

He's provisionally licensed BWP and will be presented to the RPSI next week. I plan on doing dressage with him and we'll be aiming for the 2010 30 day test.

[nsm]

Ironrule will be available at an early bird price this fall,


Nancy

[YankeeLawyer]

Fuertanzer, for example, was a very good quality stallion and stood at next to nothing. There was another older stallion that just entered stud this year after a great performance career and with some unusual but good lines that stood at 300 or so. Wish I remembered his name, can't seem to find him again.

Edelweiss de Bonce, a son of I Love You with dual talented (dressage and jumping) lineage. Kathy had a special introductory offer available for him but I am not sure it is still available. GREAT value. http://www.avalon-equine.com/index.html

Also, I think Bravo has been offered at special rates in the past. You might look into Bravo.

[Equine Reproduction]

Edelweiss de Bonce, a son of I Love You with dual talented (dressage and jumping) lineage. Kathy had a special introductory offer available for him but I am not sure it is still available. GREAT value. http://www.avalon-equine.com/index.html


<smile>...Thank you YL and Darlene. We absolutely LOVE Edelweiss. He's just a phenomenal stallion with an incredible pedigree and performance record. Yeah, we had a super introductory special as Edelweiss has only one foal on the ground. He was a performance horse first and foremost, so didn't get the opportunity to produce any kids along the way. We did limit the special and are really, really excited at the response we got and the mares that are booked/bred to Edelweiss. There should be some truly spectacular foals coming in 2010 (and remember everyone...we want pictures!!!). We will periodically have breeding specials for the boys that will be posted on our website and/or in our newsletter(s). If you want to receive notification of any specials, just sign up for the newsletter at: http://visitor.constantcontact.com/email.jsp?p=oi&m=1102379037302

Good luck with your search. There are some truly spectacular stallions available at reasonable prices.

[JWB]

Check and see if Andras Szieberth has any frozen semen left from Lasting Impression. That stallion seemed to consistently stamp his foals with great attitudes and short backs. He actually had a "short back guarantee."

I have one of his last fillies (a three year old - there are a few two year olds) and she is just a SUPERSTAR. My trainer loves her because she's so easy to work with and she consistently scores very high in overall type! She's a very athletic filly who is registered BWP and is the MMP book of the AHHA and earned her first E-Label when she was added to the BWP Main Mare book.
She's a nice size - 16.2 - Full bodied but very refined too...
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2316965&l=9eecf171fe&id=665238181
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2316941&l=45669ac7a7&id=665238181
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=983816&l=e67f62ac71&id=665238181


I know he had some frozen semen when he sold him and I'm not sure if Liam is gelded now or not, but he was sold a few years ago and is showing in the amateur owner hunters these days.