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NeverEnd
Aug. 8, 2009, 12:43 PM
I'm looking for contact info or a website for Michael Leon of Windsor Stables? in Los Angeles?? If you know how to reach him, please PM me. Thanks!

Chef Jade
Aug. 8, 2009, 08:56 PM
Last I heard he was at Bell Canyon. http://www.bellcanyonstables.com/trainers.htm

I also found this number: Michael Leon - (323) 669-1200

And this one... http://www.theequestriannews.com/trainers.php?ACT=list&&p=271

And this one... Name: Michael Leon - Windsor Stables. Phone: (818) 888-4744

Hmm... wonder why he's moved around so much? Does he owe you money? steal your horse? :eek::winkgrin:

NeverEnd
Aug. 8, 2009, 09:09 PM
Hmm... wonder why he's moved around so much? Does he owe you money? steal your horse? :eek::winkgrin:

No, I do not know this person. Just looking for a pony that may have been sold to one of his clients in 2003. Thanks for your help!

3 is the limit
Aug. 8, 2009, 09:22 PM
He left Bell Cyn a year ago or so. I think he is at a barn on Kanan Road off 101 in Agora. He left Bell Cyn because he owed them mucho $$$$$.

Don't get involved with him if you can help it. :mad:

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Roulett
Aug. 9, 2009, 08:56 PM
He is at Southland Farm - on Agoura Road. I know the owners of this barn and can't
imagine Larry and Renee putting up with Michael's financial issues. When you are
driving on Agoura, look for the covered ring --- you can't miss it.

Larry and Rene have Arabian endurance horses and their place is really quite nice.
Bet Michael doesn't last long there so better get a move on it if you're looking
for him.


http://southlandfarm.com/

Beezer
Aug. 10, 2009, 01:03 AM
I hope you find your pony well but, alas, given this "professional's" history, I think you are likely to find the trail and stories muddled.

This guy is one of the very, very few I've ever known to have a website (alas, now apparently defunct) to track his alleged misdeeds.

And people wonder why the rest of us want an unbiased way to get reliable information on the alleged professionals in this business. If I can find out about a doctor, dentist, real estate agent, dog breeder and various other "professionals," why is there NO similar database for horse trainers when we are expected to shovel over THOUSANDS of dollars in commission and training fees without a reference??

Roulett
Aug. 10, 2009, 07:24 PM
I hope you find your pony well but, alas, given this "professional's" history, I think you are likely to find the trail and stories muddled.

This guy is one of the very, very few I've ever known to have a website (alas, now apparently defunct) to track his alleged misdeeds.

And people wonder why the rest of us want an unbiased way to get reliable information on the alleged professionals in this business. If I can find out about a doctor, dentist, real estate agent, dog breeder and various other "professionals," why is there NO similar database for horse trainers when we are expected to shovel over THOUSANDS of dollars in commission and training fees without a reference??

I seriously don't understand this guy --- he just goes from one mess to another. He
was set up just across from us down at Showpark a few years back - he was suspended from USEF for various issues only a month before but there he was -- like no big deal. LOL

He just goes along with everyone under sun after him for money or whatever and
takes it all in stride -------- simply mindboggling.

3 is the limit
Aug. 10, 2009, 08:24 PM
When I was at Bell Cyn about 1 1/2 - 2 years ago, the sheriff came with sirens blaring, got him off a horse, and took him away. Never found out what it was for, but had us laughing for months. You should have seen the look on his face...priceless. :lol:

Sarabeth
Aug. 10, 2009, 11:25 PM
Are you still looking for Sprite? I wish you luck, but I don't think Michael will be much help. For him, it's just business and anything that long ago is ancient history.

Mardi
Aug. 11, 2009, 01:59 AM
He
was set up just across from us down at Showpark a few years back - he was suspended from USEF for various issues only a month before but there he was -- like no big deal.

Geez, sounds like business as usual.
For suspended people I mean, not necessarily for Michael. :)

Mardi
Aug. 11, 2009, 02:02 AM
No, I do not know this person. Just looking for a pony that may have been sold to one of his clients in 2003. Thanks for your help!

Wasn't Michael in business with Eric Vawter then ?

Beachjumper
Aug. 22, 2009, 10:46 PM
I seriously don't understand this guy --- he just goes from one mess to another. He
was set up just across from us down at Showpark a few years back - he was suspended from USEF for various issues only a month before but there he was -- like no big deal. LOL

He just goes along with everyone under sun after him for money or whatever and
takes it all in stride -------- simply mindboggling.

He wants to lease a horse from us what should we know about him? This is the only info I can find about him except that it looks like he go to a lot of shows and moves to a lot a different barns. Now I am worried. Any info is appreciated. Don't want to lose our horse.

Beachjumper
Aug. 22, 2009, 10:57 PM
Last I heard he was at Bell Canyon. http://www.bellcanyonstables.com/trainers.htm

I also found this number: Michael Leon - (323) 669-1200

And this one... http://www.theequestriannews.com/trainers.php?ACT=list&&p=271

And this one... Name: Michael Leon - Windsor Stables. Phone: (818) 888-4744

Hmm... wonder why he's moved around so much? Does he owe you money? steal your horse? :eek::winkgrin:

Will he actually steal a horse? His client is trying one of our horses to lease and this thread has me very concerned. ANY info is appreciated

Roulett
Aug. 23, 2009, 02:04 AM
When I was at Bell Cyn about 1 1/2 - 2 years ago, the sheriff came with sirens blaring, got him off a horse, and took him away. Never found out what it was for, but had us laughing for months. You should have seen the look on his face...priceless. :lol:



I remember being at the grass field over at LAEC and the police came and took
him away ---- and I swear he was laughing all the way to the cop car -- guess
he's used to having the police show up and cart him off ... :lol:

Then there was the issue of him switching numbers on his horses -- it happened in a class
we were in -- I mean who keeps track of which horses (of your competitor) are wearing what number in a 3 day division but there was a ruckus going on, as usual when one of his horses is in your class.
That was one of his suspensions. I guess it's your call on what to do about
leasing your horse to him --

prepsterlb
Nov. 2, 2009, 02:40 PM
If I could do it all over again, I would and Michael Leon would never have entered the picture. I had a horse put down in his care, and was never paid on a horse that was sold. Beware of Michael Leon

RIO62
Feb. 24, 2010, 11:57 AM
michael leone is a very dangerous person. I would go as far as saying he is a Sociopath. He has no feelings for his horses or other people. If you want an exact definition of Michael Leone go here http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html. I was at a facility with him and the things I saw him do to his horses was reprehensible.

There is a reason someone made a website about him...warn others to stay away.

Blue Star
Feb. 24, 2010, 03:45 PM
Beachjumper...Run away....run far, far away...and take your horse with you!:eek:

Mardi
Feb. 25, 2010, 12:41 AM
Sad. I wish people like that would just get out of the horse business and find something else to do.

ljc
Feb. 25, 2010, 02:05 AM
What astounds me is that there are ALWAYS people who fall for the crap these trainers offer to them. And so they stay in business, moving from facility to facility, despite the set-downs, the legal stuff, etc. I was once at a barn where Michael Leon was - and we all saw the horrible things he did. Yet the barn owner had let him move in, despite his history and his inability to pay bills. It simply never stops.

Skidboot
Feb. 25, 2010, 02:28 PM
Michael Leone is currently working out of Southland Farm 2581 Kanan Rd Agoura - as the BARN MANAGER!!! Unbelieveable someone would bring him in at all, yet "promote" him to the BM??
All I can say is user beware!!!!!

3 is the limit
Feb. 25, 2010, 10:49 PM
Here's the kicker---
The barn owners were warned about him and took him in anyway. Then he ran off one of the other trainers who had been there for a long time.

He is a very.bad.man. on many levels.

phellana
Mar. 11, 2010, 02:30 PM
I really cannot understand the sheer nastiness by some of you horse riders and enthusiasts. Micheal Leon has been at Southland Farms now for just shy of 2 years. He is not "barn manager" - and never has been - but runs his own barn within the Southlands complex. All of his horses are beautifully cared for, well managed and trained and many of his current list of clients and students have been with him for a number of years. As someone who has been at Southlands for nearly 9 years, I can guarantee that he has run no-one off the premises and gets along very well with the other training professionals at the barn. Other, and often embittered, riders and trainers seem to take great comfort in spreading false and malicious rumors about someone more successful. Michael has made many improvements to Southlands and continues to be a great trainer and a very nice person. If you want to check him out come down and see for yourself and don't rely on unfounded comments made on the internet.

Bearhunter
Mar. 11, 2010, 04:13 PM
I really cannot understand the sheer nastiness by some of you horse riders and enthusiasts. Micheal Leon has been at Southland Farms now for just shy of 2 years. He is not "barn manager" - and never has been - but runs his own barn within the Southlands complex. All of his horses are beautifully cared for, well managed and trained and many of his current list of clients and students have been with him for a number of years. As someone who has been at Southlands for nearly 9 years, I can guarantee that he has run no-one off the premises and gets along very well with the other training professionals at the barn. Other, and often embittered, riders and trainers seem to take great comfort in spreading false and malicious rumors about someone more successful. Michael has made many improvements to Southlands and continues to be a great trainer and a very nice person. If you want to check him out come down and see for yourself and don't rely on unfounded comments made on the internet.

I am very glad that you and the other customers at "Southland" are pleased with Michael. That does not negate all the wrong doings of Michael's past. He has created a horrible reputation for himself in this industry. People did not make these things up on this board, I promise you. They are not rumors; Michael has done some truly horrible and illegal things in the past. I can only hope for his current clients that he is cleaning up his act.

phellana
Mar. 12, 2010, 12:47 PM
The credibility of these statements cannot be taken seriously when such nonsense is posted that is 100% untrue -
Fact - Renee and Larry Bowers have not been involved with endurance horses for over 2 years now. Larry no longer rides and Renee has been training in both dressage and jumping.
Fact - Michael Leon is not Barn Manager and never has been.
Fact - Michael Leon has never run any other trainers off Southlands. Other trainers have come and gone for their own personal reasons.
Fact - Michael Leon has been at Southlands for nearly 2 years.
If these "rumors" are incorrect how can any of the other malicious gossip be believed.
If none of you can say anything nice about a person you clearly don't know its better not to say anything at all!

Timex
Mar. 12, 2010, 02:12 PM
i love watching the fireworks that ensue when someone registers and starts posting here for the sole purpose of defending the person being discussed. things that make you go hmmmm...... lol

naters
Mar. 12, 2010, 02:21 PM
i love watching the fireworks that ensue when someone registers and starts posting here for the sole purpose of defending the person being discussed. things that make you go hmmmm...... lol



Ditto. :lol:

phellana
Mar. 12, 2010, 02:33 PM
Yes indeed - it just shows what nasty people you are - and it is rather sad that you get such pleasure from such mindless nonsense.
Perhaps you should all take a look at your own life and think what kind of people take relish in attempting to destroy someone else.
Character assassination of this type is normally posted by someone with a troubled life and mind .... and nothing better to do with their time ...
So - perhaps people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

Blue Star
Mar. 12, 2010, 06:14 PM
Look Phellana, don't get your jods in a bunch :eek:

......someone asked about M.L. and people posted their own experiences they had with him or what they had heard...take it with a grain or a pound of salt but it is not character assassination or mindless nonsense to issue warnings. I am glad your experience with him has been positive. Other's have a different opinion because they have apparently had different experiences. People can take these opinions as well as yours and do what they will with it....

HARROLDhasmyheart
Mar. 12, 2010, 06:40 PM
I quickly did some googling and came up with a past COTH thread on Michael Leon:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=220451.

He has also been suspended more than once by the USEF for drug related incidences.

You can believe whatever you like about stories people have to share, but what it all boils down to is this: he has been suspended previously, and does not have a sterling reputation. Does every trainer, or person (have a sterling reputation) for that matter? No, of course not. But it stands that you asked, and people on COTH answered. If you don't like what they have to say or feel offended then I apologize, but I do believe that people are answering you honestly.

Wanderluster
Mar. 12, 2010, 10:29 PM
[quote=phellana;4738635 Micheal Leon has been at Southland Farms now for just shy of 2 years. He is not "barn manager" - and never has been - but runs his own barn within the Southlands complex t.[/quote

ooh la la, calling Southland a complex and Michael Leon a trainer is tantamount to calling Tiger Woods a family man.
Suit yourself.

lookwhostalking
Apr. 9, 2010, 04:20 AM
I googled Michael Leon name and got this (coth)and saw these post. The reason I did this is because I just had a incident come up with this person involved. I thank all of you who posted your dealings with this person. It only helps and makes people aware of the character of someone they may potentially do business with or choose not to do business with. I am so glad I read this. It has confirmed what I believe to be true and what other professionals have told me. Any person dealing with this person I would suggest you use caution. As with anybody in the horse world get everything in writing and make it real clear.

NeverEnd
Apr. 9, 2010, 09:30 AM
Back to my OP...For those of you that know ML or have competed against him...I'm still looking for a pony that I am told was sold to one of his clients in 2003. She is a 14.2h gray mare (probably flea bitten now) and is now 14 or 15 years old. Virginia bred and registered VPBA as 'Dress Rehearsal' - was reg. USEF as 'Dress Rehearsal'. Barn name was 'Sprite'. By Sailor's Delight out of Coca Cola Classic.

Please PM if you think you've seen this pony. Now that my OP has resurfaced and so many have said such negative things about ML, I'm now more determined than ever to find this pony. I'll sleep better knowing she is in a safe, loving home.

Thanks.

RNB
Apr. 9, 2010, 02:41 PM
The credibility of these statements cannot be taken seriously when such nonsense is posted that is 100% untrue -
Fact - Renee and Larry Bowers have not been involved with endurance horses for over 2 years now. Larry no longer rides and Renee has been training in both dressage and jumping.
Fact - Michael Leon is not Barn Manager and never has been.
Fact - Michael Leon has never run any other trainers off Southlands. Other trainers have come and gone for their own personal reasons.
Fact - Michael Leon has been at Southlands for nearly 2 years.
If these "rumors" are incorrect how can any of the other malicious gossip be believed.
If none of you can say anything nice about a person you clearly don't know its better not to say anything at all!

I, too, like to deal in facts.....and, hopefully, am known on COTH for doing so. And since you want facts then I suggest the following....

Fact - check with the USEF...his name will show up
Fact - check with the Clerk of the Courts in CA......or look on a legal document website. If you do not have access to one, perhaps ask a lawyer friend to do so. Again, his name will surface.
Fact - there are posters to this thread who have indeed taken legal actions.
Fact - I have no trouble posting my name as I do not believe in hiding behind a screen name. I also know the real names of many of the posters. If you want to be taken seriously, then I suggest you do the same.

I have absolutely NO tolerance for individuals in this industry who see horses only as dollar signs and continually misrepresent, pad/inflate prices, charge double commissions, lie, cheat and steal.

Debbie Hanson

Blue Star
Apr. 10, 2010, 03:31 PM
Yeah, but Debbie, what do you REALLY think? No need to hold back or pull your punches on our account! :lol:

RNB
Apr. 11, 2010, 10:28 PM
Yeah, but Debbie, what do you REALLY think? No need to hold back or pull your punches on our account! :lol:

Not sure you guys are ready to hear what I REALLY think!!! :winkgrin:

TammyW
Apr. 28, 2010, 03:13 PM
I've PM'd the OP with what little information that I did have on Sprite and I sincerely hope that she does find her. She was a cutie and was well treated from what I remember (Michael was too big to ride her so I remember an assistant riding her until she was sold to her new owner).

Like Debbie I am not afraid to stand behind my words about my experiences with Michael. I came into contact with him when he was at Imperial Equestrian Center in South Gate several years ago. During this time I personally witnessed him overworking horses to the point of exhaustion, drugging them (who needs 18 bottles of Dex plus other tranquilizers?), over jumping them, over facing his clients, trying to run his clients into other riders trying to share an arena, putting horses in turn out all night with no water, cranking horses heads to one side and tying them like that overnight, not paying board, board checks bouncing, selling horses and changing the sales price to pad his pockets more while cheating his clients and yes - even horse theft which he ended up in court over.

At one point during all of this I purchased a horse just to make sure that he wouldn't destroy her. He was saddling her up for his test ride and I couldn't stand it - she was a good mare and deserved better.

Should I go on or has everyone curious enough to still be reading fully understand that these are all things that I personally witnessed?

Phellana - I've long since gotten over the terrible time we went through when he was stabling at the same place that I was but somehow people keep coming back with more bad stories - many of them very similar. I don't know if Michael has changed - I sure hope that he has. For his sake as well as for his clients and the horses under his care. Not to mention the fact that he's burned so many bridges - I don't know of many other places he can go to train. All I know is of my personal experiences with him which were terrible. As such, I would never train with him or put my horse in his care - EVER. That's my very well educated decision and I'm standing by it.

I know that I'm new here but I think that the more people give positive or negative feedback on trainers, the more informed that we become as horse owners. This helps us to make informed choices regarding our and our horses training.

Oh... and no one may have gotten a photo of the police pulling him off a horse but I did get several of the South Gate Police department kicking him out of Imperial. It was the end of some really terrible drama for that stable.

Gullablex10
Jun. 7, 2011, 04:02 PM
I was at Southland Farms for almost six years, where as several trainers came and went..but in all my years there did I ever experience someone as deceitful and dis-honorable as Michael Leon. I have witnessed many things from him drugging horses regularly, to taking abusive measures as a method in working his clients horses to accomplish goals for each individual horses that were both unfair and not natural. Furthermore I was fooled personally at Southland by Michael and his sneaky snake like behavior. I am one of the many who was a victim of his lies. Not only did Michael pretend to be my friend and act as if he had my best interests at heart; he actually plotted over a year as to how to run me out of the barn, but not without first trying to tarnish my name and mark me as a thief with no witness of this except for his word. To then have it miraculously show up the day after I had been run off the facility. At the same time as he ran me off the facility, he also stole one of my horses which in turn we had to obtain legal council to take the measures necessary to get our horse back. I have documentation of this in writing. I have separate documentation in writing from a previous situation where I was instructed by him not to tell his client how much he was buying a such horse for, from a colleague of mine, so he could inflate the horse's value and make himself more money that his clients wouldn't know about. Before he tricked me I let him lease a horse from me for 2 months and the reason this leased lasted only 2 months was because my horse started to go lame and show stiffness. It was brought to my attention by his assistant and one of his students that he had been using my horse up to 3-4 times a day. He also was using a horse of mine for his camp that had lung issues after surviving an almost deadly case pneumonia 3 and 4 times a day again behind my back. Rene works full time and Larry works on the property most of his time...I heard Michael call himself the BM many times as untrue as that always was. But with Rene's full time schedule, she did give Michael a lot of freedom to do what he pleased.

I have nothing against Southland Farms, Rene or Larry. There are also many good people left over there. Michael is not one of them!

my guess, the person who wrote the above...one of his students moms who works for him...S*** P****e?? ....biased much or just still so fooled?

For the record Michael still has equipment of mine, and one of my students....gone to the wind.

in all fairness I had been warned not to trust this man from MANY people i trust in the horse world. I didn't listen and they were right!!

in summation, not only was I run out of the barn. Myself and two other trainers were as well.

Cheers :(

RNB
Jun. 7, 2011, 05:10 PM
Is he still up to his old tricks?!?!?! :mad: Click on the link in my sig line and rate him....and get others who have had dealings with him to do the same.