We can make a difference

[Brandy76]

I REALLY do not want to start a debate- if you are anti slaughter - go to the link, if you are pro slaughter, don't worry, don't go to the link.

When I look through this, I really want to find the person that bred these horses, and drive them to this place, so they can see up close and personal - just. what. happens.

Sweet Jesus, shoot them in you driveway if you have to - not this. Not this.

It's not even the end, this is a perfect illustration why we should haved closed the borders before we banned slaughter. And lots of these pics are from the US!!:cry:

http://www.animals-angels.de/index.php?pageID=675&synlink:docID=i11166&synlink:linkID=


but, hey! It's okay that they are injured, etc, "they weren't like that when they got on the truck, wink, wink - and besides, they are just slaughter horses, right"
I'm sorry, I am just so angry right now- NOTHING justifies this. Nothing makes this okay. Nothing.

Make sure you go to the report, then click on part 2, scroll to page 100 or so.

Better, better to euthanize.

[To the MAX]

Since OP doesn't feel the need to warn people, I will - the photos are very graphic.

[Brandy76]

Since OP doesn't feel the need to warn people, I will - the photos are very graphic.

I am so sorry! I meant to add that- I was just so upset and angry. and I don't mean to post this to make others angry and upset, even though I know it will. Yikes, I really am sorry. I was just a little nuts for a bit.

I just feel such an impotent, outrageous pity, and saddness, I can't even put it into words.

Sorry again for the no warning.

[arabhorse2]

Brandy, even those of us not opposed to slaughter are vehemently opposed to mistreatment and abuse.

I agree that the owners of those horses who sold them to the kill buyers should see the photos. However, I'm not sure it would make that much of a difference.

With so many people, once the animal is off their property, what happens to it isn't their problem.

You can't force someone to be responsible or empathetic.

Arabhorse2 out, because I know this thread is going to degenerate into the same old, tired, slaughter trainwreck that these always do.

[Brandy76]

Brandy, even those of us not opposed to slaughter are vehemently opposed to mistreatment and abuse.

I agree that the owners of those horses who sold them to the kill buyers should see the photos. However, I'm not sure it would make that much of a difference.

With so many people, once the animal is off their property, what happens to it isn't their problem.

You can't force someone to be responsible or empathetic.

Arabhorse2 out, because I know this thread is going to degenerate into the same old, tired, slaughter trainwreck that these always do.


I guess I was just thinking about ways to change things. I mean not even an immediate ban on slaughter even though I am anti slaughter- it's like you said -pro or con, no one wants to see that. I know I can't force people to be something they are not, I just wish there were a way to get together for positive, realistic alternatives, then address the pro/con issues.

[Woodland]

OP what the hell is your point then? Abuse is abuse is abuse. It matters not one wit if the horses were slaughter bound, auction bound, or left in a dry lot in their filth and misery.

SHAME ON YOU for trying to make this that slaughter is the CAUSE of these animals misery - SHAMEFUL!!!

When you DISTORT the FACTS more animals will suffer SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU

[Brandy76]

OP what the hell is your point then? Abuse is abuse is abuse. It matters not one wit if the horses were slaughter bound, auction bound, or left in a dry lot in their filth and misery.

SHAME ON YOU for trying to make this that slaughter is the CAUSE of these animals misery - SHAMEFUL!!!

When you DISTORT the FACTS more animals will suffer SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU

I did not distort any facts. Lighten up. go to the site. Read. But I have heard directly out of more than one kb's mouth - "they are goin' to slaughter, don't make no difference"- so yeah, in this case, the abuse was connected to the slaughter culture.

Look, it wasn't pro or con, how much clearer could I be? I stated that in the beginning. I thought, wow, wouldn't it be great if more people pro/con, could work together to come up with alternatives?

that's it. nothing deeper than. That. And, yeah, i've bot more than one right out of the kill pen with the little sticker already on, rehabbed, and rehomed. Yes, indeedy.

[gwenrowdy]

Yeah, that's the slaughter industry. It hasn't changed a twit in 30 years, I see.

[gwenrowdy]

Well, here's some interesting news. I guess they're not starving bad enough over there to continue eating our horses:

Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:10 PM

European Union Bans American Horsemeat -
Press Release

European Union Bans American Horsemeat. Europeans focus on food
safety issue: no more poisoned American Horse Meat

August 6, 2009 -- Hitchcock, Texas -- For decades, the gourmet diners
of Europe and Japan have eaten American horse meat poisoned by
chemical contamination. The horse flesh exporting by unscrupulous
producers and horse slaughter plants will come to an end in April of
2010. The new rules enacted by the European Union will mandate
chemical free horse meat entering those countries.

American horses are routinely given powerful chemicals prohibited for
human consumption such as wormers, Phenylbutazone (Bute), and a host
of other deadly medications which are life giving to a horse but cause
serious medical issues when ingested by humans. Like DDT, banned for
similar reasons, some of these compounds such as Bute remain in a
horse's body long after administered. Studies indicate medical issues
such as birth defects, anemia, and cancer are brought on when these
dangerous chemicals are consumed by humans.

The ban was quietly announced by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency
in late July. It quickly exploded across the Internet as news of it
made its way to anti-slaughter websites and finally to mainstream
equine media worldwide. With the new ban in place, the slaughter of
horses exposed to these drugs will stop and the production of
commercially available horse meat will grind to a halt.

“We have known of the dangers of chemicals in American horse meat for
years, but our warnings have often fallen on deaf ears,” said Jerry
Finch, founder of Habitat for Horses, the nation’s largest all breed
equine rescue organization.

“Thankfully, agencies in the European Union responsible for health
safety realized that there is virtually no testing for dangerous
chemicals in American horses being sold for food,” he said. “Foreign
governments will inadvertently bring the slaughter of American horses
to a halt while the American government, with their failure to pass
legislation, has simply ignored the health of the European people.”

Finch says that the same EU rules will halt the export of American
horses slaughtered in Mexico for European consumption.

Habitat for Horses (HfH) is a not-for-profit equine protection agency
committed to the prevention, rescue and rehabilitation of neglected
and abused horses. The largest organization of its kind in North
America, HfH operates a rehabilitation ranch in Hitchcock, Texas, as
well as a growing network of foster homes throughout the United
States.

Contact: Valerie Kennedy, Director of Public Relations, Habitat for Horses, Inc,
312-371-4933


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[equinelaw]

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[Whitfield Farm Hanoverians]

Hey Brandy I'm with you 150%. Totally against slaughter. I've seen it & nothing good about it. People should not own horses if they cannot or will not end their life humanely. I know that several people on this board are pro-slaughter but if I live to be 1000 I'll never understand it. I've said it before & I'll say it again, sending your horse to slaughter is the same as sending your old dog to slaughter when it can no longer fetch the ball for you. If only people would stop breeding these unwanted horses. Makes me think of the site I've been looking at for dogs, www.dogsindistress.com
I also think that if you send a horse to slaughter you ought to have to be the one who kills it. Poor things.

[Bluey]

Hey Brandy I'm with you 150%. Totally against slaughter. I've seen it & nothing good about it. People should not own horses if they cannot or will not end their life humanely. I know that several people on this board are pro-slaughter but if I live to be 1000 I'll never understand it. I've said it before & I'll say it again, sending your horse to slaughter is the same as sending your old dog to slaughter when it can no longer fetch the ball for you. If only people would stop breeding these unwanted horses. Makes me think of the site I've been looking at for dogs, www.dogsindistress.com
I also think that if you send a horse to slaughter you ought to have to be the one who kills it. Poor things.


I think that you are falling for the animal rights propaganda and throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
You are asssuming slaughter is inherently inhumane, which if you think about it, as proof in so many well run slaughter plants in many places show, it is not.
I have been there, I have seen horses shot, thru the door, they don't let you in the room and it was fine, humane and the horse didn't know anything, any more than if the vet had given him a shot.


You just didn't grow and live hungry enough to be distressed by waste and I think that may be why so many don't get the whole picture.
That may be why you may not understand why others think we should keep using horses one more time, as the renewable, natural resource they are and is done in most of the world.

Be glad you can stand on principles that don't affect you any and hope that is so for the rest of your life.:)
If you ever are where someone takes your rights away for their own purposes, then remember, you did that first to others.:(

I am not talking legislation to make the slaughter process and meat safe, but the pure idea of using that meat.

When we impinge on the rights of others do to as they want, we should start thinking who won't like what we do and who will then stand with us when we want to defend our rights to do what we want.:no:
Unintended consequences tend to come haunt us when we act without careful thought.:(

[equinelaw]

I must have a special COTH connection on my server. Am I the only one that could read the post about the EU NOT buying American horse meat in a year?

[equineartworks]

nope...I can see it too EL

[equinelaw]

Isn't that the BIG NEWS that sort of ends all this debate? They wont buy it, so we wont do it. No way its going to be profitable to keep horses until the meat clears that inspection.

I am not even sure it would be profitable to raise drug free organic horse meat unless prices go way up. Not in the US anyway. At least not for breeds that need lots of feed to grow meat.

Even if they decide to sell all the Mustangs for meat they will only last 1 year.

Why are not more people freaking out or celebrating?

[equineartworks]

Isn't that the BIG NEWS that sort of ends all this debate? They wont buy it, so we wont do it. No way its going to be profitable to keep horses until the meat clears that inspection.

I am not even sure it would be profitable to raise drug free organic horse meat unless prices go way up. Not in the US anyway. At least not for breeds that need lots of feed to grow meat.

Even if they decide to sell all the Mustangs for meat they will only last 1 year.

Why are not more people freaking out or celebrating?

Because then what will they have to bitch about? :lol:

[equinelaw]

Barefoot vs shoes?

[equineartworks]

Barefoot vs shoes?

yeah, that will work...that debate never gets old :lol:

[equinelaw]

I dare you to start a thread that the EU has decided to ban US horse meat. Double dare ya!:D Maybe its not true. That article looks pretty hinky?

[equineartworks]

I dare you to start a thread that the EU has decided to ban US horse meat. Double dare ya!:D Maybe its not true. That article looks pretty hinky?

I'm not touching that bet. :lol:

[JSwan]

Maybe because that press release isn't accurate.

But hey - why let facts get in the way.

Or look at it another way.

These are the same groups that told us that not funding USDA inspectors would shut down the plants.

When that failed to happen, they told us that closing the plants would make slaughter economically unfeasible.

When that didn't happen, now they're telling us that simply requiring the horses to be held in a feedlot is going to stop slaughter.

How many times do y'all have to be lied to by these organizations for it to sink in? Find out the information for yourself - don't believe special interest groups.

[gwenrowdy]

Here's another article that gives more detail. This NZ site always seems to be quite interested in the U.S. horse industry:
http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2009/08/024.shtml

[equinelaw]

Maybe because that press release isn't accurate.

But hey - why let facts get in the way.

Or look at it another way.

These are the same groups that told us that not funding USDA inspectors would shut down the plants.

When that failed to happen, they told us that closing the plants would make slaughter economically unfeasible.

When that didn't happen, now they're telling us that simply requiring the horses to be held in a feedlot is going to stop slaughter.

How many times do y'all have to be lied to by these organizations for it to sink in? Find out the information for yourself - don't believe special interest groups.

I remember the first one. They funding was stopped but another method was used. So it did not stop slaughter in the US, but it was true.

The second statement is just a statement. It was not a law or a ruling. IL and TX closed down the plants in their states. Its still legal in other states, so there can be no truth or non-truth to that statement. It was a guess.

If this statement, that the EU will require a 180 holding period is true, then that does change quite a lot about the industry. 180 days is a long time to feed a horse and still make a profit as things currently operate. Its also a long time for lost horses to be found, stolen horses to be recovered, horses to be sold to non-slaughter options and poor husbandry to really cut into profits.

I do not know if the statement is true since the links take me to more unverifiable links. I really do not care what the source is as long as the provide me to the original, verifiable source.

[JSwan]

I do not know if the statement is true since the links take me to more unverifiable links. I really do not care what the source is as long as the provide me to the original, verifiable source.

I never believe anything these groups say. (pro or anti-slaughter) Like you - I go to the source.

Maybe we'll just end up with CAFO's for horses. Heck - everyones got the permits and it's all set up already - close to highways, easy to get to slaughterhouses over the borders.... :no: