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DraftHorsePower
Aug. 6, 2009, 04:00 AM
So in my quest for a new prospect... I ran across one of my horse's babies... total greenie, probably has 5 rides on him, started by who knows who... does not steer, does not know what leg means, etc. But is backed. He feels just like my big jumper man that far exceeded my expectations and is now off in 'A' show land (I am unfortunately geographically and time challenged so I can not participate much more than 1x a year with the big kids so to speak of). Same personality. Same everything.... well.....

Said youngster is a chestnut pinto colored Rhinelander with a TON of white (I'm trying to motivate for the hours of cleaning time), and one blue eye. I myself have never been a big fan of pinto colored jumpers, but this guy may have just changed my mind! I am in LOVE!

So.... first off, I need adorable pictures of other pinto/paint jumpers, eq, hunters :)

Which brings me to my question, which may be silly, but hey, there are no stupid questions right? Do any of you show them in EQ? I dabble in the adult stuff occasionally and would like to continue and grow on that, and although I mostly just show locally and it doesn't matter here, do the paint colors get discriminated against in the big shows EQ? I'm not going to get looked at like I'm riding in on a mule or anything am I? I know it's supposed to be about the rider blah blah blah, but you know.... I thought it would be worth asking! I just don't see a lot of them around! :)

HunterRider992
Aug. 6, 2009, 04:38 AM
I've always loved this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaJyEPHYMYI

For the eq, I think as long as you ride well and the horse goes nicely it shouldn't count against you. You will stand out more, which can be good or bad, but I don't think any worthwhile judge will fault you for a nice pinto horse. I know one woman who has done really well in the adult eq stuff with a pinto horse. He isn't a loud pinto, just one spot on his side, but they do fabulously, mostly because she rides so well.

neutral milk hotel
Aug. 6, 2009, 05:49 AM
My large pony was a paint and I think it made him cuter, he would have been fine as a plain bay but his head wasn't the prettiest and his markings definitely distracted from that! Here is a picture of him:
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1138236294052634515CXQnwn

Brianne Goutal's jumper, Mon Gamin, who is in the video posted is very popular with the crowds because of his color. In the hunters I wouldn't think they would be discriminated against, and certainly less so in the eq. there are some BNT with pintos in their barns, for example, this one does the big eq:
http://www.phelpsmediagroup.com/viewphoto.php?id=3398

And this is a local horse that does very well, the horse is fancy regardless of it's color! Pictures aren't the best unfortunately:
http://www.jaygoss.com/proofsfind.php?show=L8&exhib_no=203

I personally prefer a minimal amount of paint markings, usually sobinos. Although I wouldn't say that paints/pintos are discriminated against per say in the horse rings, I think they are much more approved of in the pony ring (same with appaloosas and palominos)... if that makes any sense. For example Otteridge Black Hawk (http://www.flickr.com/photos/25383795@N07/3168312565/in/set-72157612122727159/), Up Til Dawn (http://www.othfarm.com/images/sale/sale_83_UpTillDawn02.jpg) and Keep Dreamin' (http://www.legacycup.com/legacycup_07/keep-dreamin_dinan-0513.jpg) have done well at the top level, and the 2nd highest selling pony at the PF Auction in '07 for $52,000 was an app, Little White Dove (http://www.professionalauction.com/07_images/07ahpc_pix_l.jpg)..

Hunter/JumperMom
Aug. 6, 2009, 09:14 AM
I LOVE paints, Don Stewart has one in the eq (piece of art or something like that) and I tried to get a previous trainer to look at it and he refused! I'm still kicking myself! They do stand out, if your great you will be remembered as the person on the paint, but at the same time, if you have issues, you are also remembered as the person on the paint!!!

I noticed many last weekend up at HITS Saugerties.

And I could be wrong here and I should just ask, but didn't Leslie Burr Howard win the Maclay on a paint? Granted that was many moons ago, but didnt stop her!


So I say go for it!!


I laughed last night watching that video on the news of the paint in Isreal or wherever jumping over/through a car, looked at daughter and said, let's get that one, he will jump anything!! :D

dghunter
Aug. 6, 2009, 12:12 PM
Love, love, love paints! I've always wanted one :yes: I do like less white and more of the color but that's just a personal preference :)

SidesaddleRider
Aug. 6, 2009, 12:40 PM
I have a very loudly marked pinto that I show in the A/A hunters (and even the sidesaddle once, LOL). FANTASTIC jump, but more dressage-y in movement. I was planning on moving her up to the A/O's this year, but she hurt herself in the spring, so we have to postpone it until next year. You can see her on my website, her name is Kalliopy.

Hunter/JumperMom, I think Piece of Art is a PINTO, not a paint. ;)

mypaintwattie
Aug. 6, 2009, 12:52 PM
There are lots of pictures on this thread:

http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=217269

MHM
Aug. 6, 2009, 02:11 PM
And I could be wrong here and I should just ask, but didn't Leslie Burr Howard win the Maclay on a paint? Granted that was many moons ago, but didnt stop her!




Leslie did win the Maclay Finals on a pinto. Many years later (1993 or '94?), there was a special event equitation class one night in Florida for past Finals winners, and she used a pinto and won that class as well!

I believe on that occasion, she rode Missy Clark's pinto Scout.

To the OP- if it's a good horse, it's a good color.

DraftHorsePower
Aug. 6, 2009, 02:36 PM
Oh joy! I love the Mon Gamin video. His coloring is very similar.

Good horse = good color... exactly!

I saw an adorable huge black and white pinto warmblood of some sort at the Country Classic a few weeks back doing the jumpers and he was definitely gorgeous, I couldn't take my eyes off him. Maybe it was my mind telling me what was to come! :)

PolarPony
Aug. 6, 2009, 03:31 PM
I know there has been quite a few other threads about this, but I'm too lazy to find them ;). I agree with other people though, a colored horse can make or break you.

FAW
Aug. 6, 2009, 03:58 PM
We have two paints at my barn that do very well in Hunters and Eq

DraftHorsePower
Aug. 6, 2009, 06:29 PM
I'm not too worried about the flash factor, I'm switching from a huge blood bay sabino with a blaze, 4 socks all over the knees, and a black and white tail (sire was Alla'Czar and dam was also a sabino, but Shire... lots of beefcake and white there lol). I didn't fade off into the background on that one, lol. He's in my profile pic :)

I think I am sold on this new guy for sure, sounds like no problemo :)

HowDoILook
Aug. 6, 2009, 09:18 PM
I do Hunters, Jumpers, and Eq on my Paint Pony. And hes got quite a bit of white, and a blue eye! But Ive never had a problem with him being a paint, he steps it up a little i think cause he thinks he special :D:D:D

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/Sensory_Overload469/indy-2.jpg

neutral milk hotel, my pony has the same exact head as yours! The spots definatley distract from their heads a little bit :)

AGRHJRider
Aug. 6, 2009, 09:22 PM
Mon Gamin is amazing! I photographed him some at the Intl Hunter Derby this past winter at WEF. Rocked my socks off!

MHM
Aug. 7, 2009, 10:18 AM
I do Hunters, Jumpers, and Eq on my Paint Pony. And hes got quite a bit of white, and a blue eye! But Ive never had a problem with him being a paint, he steps it up a little i think cause he thinks he special :D:D:D

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/Sensory_Overload469/indy-2.jpg


Nice pic- very cute! :)

EQRider_95
Aug. 9, 2009, 07:02 PM
My friend leased Hawk, hes a great pony :) My own opinion about Paints, I like minimal on the body, a few patches, but I like lots of leg and face chrome, I like a more refined body. I think paints catch the judges eye more then plain bays, chestnuts, etc.

MissIndependence
Aug. 9, 2009, 11:35 PM
My Holsteiner jumper is a paint on one side and solid on the other with four white feet and "headlights" on the front. He is GORGEOUS and jumps like a freak. He had a very very successful year back east leased out doing the big eq and won everywhere....including doing medal, mcclay and uset finals. I think if you get a good one - there are none better. But the bad ones seem to be pretty bad......I have seen some fabulous ones lately. I know that Mario DesLaurius (sp sorry) had a fabulous one for sale on his site that looked like a gas. Personally I love them.

MissIndependence
Aug. 9, 2009, 11:37 PM
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2273322480100450736OXroRW

This is the photo of my paint jumper, Lucky Lou. Thought I posted it before but I didn't get it right! lol.

jumpergirl853
Aug. 9, 2009, 11:53 PM
I show my Paint gelding in the hunters and eq. Just the A/As for now but I hope to move up to the A/Os in a few years.
He is mostly whit and has two blue eyes. I definitely think he is discriminated against more in the hunters than the eq. But, with most judges, there is very little discrimination, if any at all.
Here is the link to his album:
http://s678.photobucket.com/albums/vv143/aheimann_photos/Chief/

findeight
Aug. 10, 2009, 12:21 PM
picky but...

A PAINT is a breed with it's own registry. Mainly QH types, parents either QH or Paint (sometimes a TB too). No WBs. No drafts. No Ponies either.

We do throw the term Paint around to just describe the color. But, sometimes, somebody says their Paint did not get used and I wonder if it really is the pseudo QH type with color that just has the wrong body type for theAA Hunters or it's some WB tagged with "paint" to describe color. Can make a difference phrasing an opinion or an answer.

gumshoe
Aug. 10, 2009, 12:52 PM
Not just "sometimes TB too". APHA says one parent MUST be a Paint horse, the other may be a Paint, TB or QH. :)

Lots of Paints have one TB parent.

DraftHorsePower
Aug. 10, 2009, 01:10 PM
My question clearly referred to paints AND pintos.... I am aware of the difference as I'm sure most peopeople on here are, so I think you are just being a little bit over the top on your pickiness. Lol. I think it was pretty easy to understand.... I was referring to color, be it a paint breed or not. :)

Let's not make this a debate on correct terms please, that was not the intention of my thread.

Thank you.

findeight
Aug. 10, 2009, 01:19 PM
Not you...scroll down through some of the responses. You did state what you were talking about. Sorry if I was not clear it was not you I was referring to.

Having owned and shown Paints, as in APHA, I don't find it that picky to correctly state what you are showing breed or type wise when asking for an opinion or stating that is why you did or did not place and the judge loves/hates you.
Makes it easier to formulate an opinion and a clear answer.

And for the OP, no, the judges do not care what color the horse is if the round is good. Hunters or Eq.

DraftHorsePower
Aug. 10, 2009, 02:23 PM
Oh okay then :)

DraftHorsePower
Aug. 10, 2009, 02:40 PM
I show my Paint gelding in the hunters and eq. Just the A/As for now but I hope to move up to the A/Os in a few years.
He is mostly whit and has two blue eyes. I definitely think he is discriminated against more in the hunters than the eq. But, with most judges, there is very little discrimination, if any at all.
Here is the link to his album:
http://s678.photobucket.com/albums/vv143/aheimann_photos/Chief/

Aaah! He is SO cute, and the coloring is almost identical to the prospect I'm looking at! Thanks for sharing :D

Hunter Mom
Aug. 10, 2009, 04:01 PM
F8 - not sure on the no ponies. DD's pony is registered APHA, but sticks just under 14.2, so has a pony card.

jumpergirl853
Aug. 10, 2009, 04:07 PM
Thanks!
And I think I am one of the people findeight was referring to. Mine is a registered APHA. That is why I capitalized "Paint" in my post. And while he may be more of the stocky QH type, he has an amazing jump that should be competitive with all of the big warmbloods. He is a decent mover and makes the strides easily.
I watched a 14 year old show him in the children's last week and he definitely deserved higher placings than he got. Especially in the hack. There were lame horses and sewing machines beating him. But that is the first time that I really thought his color made any difference in the placements.

I hope your prospect works out as well for you as Chief has for me! I really do like pinto coloring!

florida foxhunter
Aug. 11, 2009, 12:01 AM
Pintos are the greatest!!!(of course, I'm prejudiced)

Seriously, I have had so much fun showing my pintos in the hunters, hunter breeding, foxhunting championships and even some eventing. They always get attention.........and usually score as well as their rider (me) allows. I"m having fun with Newsprint now, CTF's full brother. I'll post his photo below.

Best of luck with your new guy!!!

DraftHorsePower
Aug. 13, 2009, 03:04 PM
OK so I video'd the critter. He'd never seen jumps before today. He seemed very eager about it and had a lot of fun. What do you guys think? I'm assuming I should cut him a bit of slack since it's his first time through a chute.

Oh and NO STEALING HIM!! :winkgrin: I will hunt you down. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-VcxWnxNMA

jumpergirl853
Aug. 13, 2009, 03:09 PM
I like him! He really got his knees up over the last fence and definitely looks like he enjoyed it.

Seven-up
Aug. 13, 2009, 04:48 PM
Gotta ask-- why in the Sam Heck would it matter if you had a paint/pinto in jumpers or eq? Color is irrelevant in both (add hunters in there too, because the only folks who have a problem with that are old and crotchety dinosaurs:winkgrin:) If there's a judge who doesn't place someone in the eq because they're on a paint/pinto, and you can get them to ADMIT that's why they didn't use them, then someone needs to revoke their judge's card and send them to rehab, because they are smoking crack.



Word.

:D:lol:

PaintedHunter
Dec. 9, 2013, 05:23 PM
I see this is a 4-year-old thread, but seeing the subject I had to share a photo of my old registered paint.. He's amazing with the right person and is now doing jumpers and eventing:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h133/wangel43/JJJump_zps59c92f01.jpg

supershorty628
Dec. 9, 2013, 06:45 PM
What a cute horse, PaintedHunter!!