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vbunny
Aug. 4, 2009, 06:33 PM
I am not from the hunter world (I'm a cross over from eventing/racing) but I have so much admiration for the way you guys can ride such a beautiful round that I am trying to learn some of those skills myself. I think it would really help to be able to watch some top hunters go round, maybe get a chance to study it a bit more. Can you post links to the best, rounds that you guys admire or think would show me something I could learn from? Thanks in advance, I truly appreciate the help.

CenterStage123
Aug. 4, 2009, 07:29 PM
I've always admired Strapless:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esCvZv4sIdg

The video is not great quality, and it is probably not one of very best trips, but its still really really good.

CBoylen
Aug. 4, 2009, 08:13 PM
This isn't the trip I was looking for (wanted the WEF WCHR class), but Early Applause is one of the nicest ones out there right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQUy_AInAvI .

Upshot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYH0DVtjc78

precious
Aug. 4, 2009, 08:36 PM
always loved strapless as well, unfortunately this was not one of her best rounds. as for early applause, i'm glad you qualified your post chanda, it was not a round that impressed me. in fact the horse is getting worse and maggie will never be the hunter rider kelly is, ever. what is with the head singing, the sailboat reins and the cowboy look. the horse will be done in a year, if that long. upshot is a nice horse. larry should do a little chemistry lesson with alex.

Canadapony
Aug. 4, 2009, 08:42 PM
What about favourite hunter pony videos?

CBoylen
Aug. 4, 2009, 09:27 PM
Well, most of us will never be the rider that Kelley is, precious. But it's still a lovely horse.

precious
Aug. 4, 2009, 09:32 PM
...used to be.

neutral milk hotel
Aug. 4, 2009, 09:57 PM
I have lots! Can you tell I've been bored this summer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l1HtbbL8ko - Jr/AOs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEMO1Kq-j7M - Medium pony

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB0LCrDbEsk - Future hunters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yRO3DSqTjQ - Large ponies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-TOQDgg2_o - A/A hunters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U5SB84ZHd4 -1st years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1lBsebWRwI - Jr hunter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YTF4kudQDY - Hunter derby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hqxnb9UebE - This is Tedra Bates in the equitation, gorgeous rounds regardless.

Also - my youtube channel is the one with the Strapless video (sorry about the quality, I videotaped it off the TV!), I have a few videos from WEF of good (and not so good!) rounds mixed in with my own riding videos. This round I got of Katherine Newman is very nice, especially the outside line from 50sec-1:05 in the vid... textbook! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfgwLTQVoRc

HJPony
Aug. 4, 2009, 10:16 PM
always loved strapless as well, unfortunately this was not one of her best rounds. as for early applause, i'm glad you qualified your post chanda, it was not a round that impressed me. in fact the horse is getting worse and maggie will never be the hunter rider kelly is, ever. what is with the head singing, the sailboat reins and the cowboy look. the horse will be done in a year, if that long. upshot is a nice horse. larry should do a little chemistry lesson with alex.

:no:
I felt the same way after watching that video of "Early Applause." The finesse and elegance just wasn't there. ...although I do applaud her on her win! A nice round at that.

I have been watching that "Upshot" for a bit now. What a truly lovely hunter!!

Sunny Side Up
Aug. 4, 2009, 11:03 PM
Ohhh..Early Applause is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVCK9wX_uto
Oompa Loompa! Seriously, the cutest pony ever! I haven't seen him go in real life but his youtubes are so adorable.

TheOrangeOne
Aug. 4, 2009, 11:25 PM
Gosh, if riding that bad will finish a horse off in a year, I am damn lucky my horse is still going after 3 lessons, much less four seasons. :lol: She might not be as elegant as Kelley is, but she found the jumps, I don't think she caused any hardship to the horse.

pleasedaspunch
Aug. 5, 2009, 12:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO-vQFQYdRM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsDdUv9iP7s

Perfect Pony
Aug. 5, 2009, 10:48 AM
:no:
I felt the same way after watching that video of "Early Applause." The finesse and elegance just wasn't there. ...although I do applaud her on her win! A nice round at that.


I'm glad somebody said something before I did. That video was totally weird. I get seriously yelled at when I ride with my hands in my lap and cross them back and forth over the horses neck like that. She looks like she is a lovely rider but those hands flopping and flailing all over the place was strange.

Glad to hear it's not correct, even for the pros.

dags
Aug. 5, 2009, 11:07 AM
That was the Derby winner at Showplace? Glad I finally saw the round.

The horse jumps around beautifully, no denying that. But is not something I'd call particularly "handy", unless the definition of handy is now successfully negotiating a course one rein at a time. Looks like a big ole leg ride, any contact is too much contact and momentum through the turns requires a fully seated position. A lovely *show* hunter, if you will. I thought these Derbies were supposed to promote the light easy gallop, the forward seat and, most importantly, responsiveness and maneuverability? ie, handiness? Hmmmm. Anyone see the other rounds?

sansibar
Aug. 5, 2009, 11:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO-vQFQYdRM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsDdUv9iP7s

LOVE perfectionist!

Newsworthy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFVVEVEKjI
Tiziano: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tyqFvtz0jU

Midge
Aug. 5, 2009, 11:25 AM
Well, most of us will never be the rider that Kelley is, precious. But it's still a lovely horse.


Most of us will never be the rider Maggie is, either, by a long shot. precious sounds like s/he has an ax to grind.

What is classically correct and what is done are sometimes two different things. Hopefully, if one is riding a horse that goes best with your butt in the tack, you butt will be in the tack. If he goes best with floppy reins, you ride with floppy reins. We'd all love it if every horse went the same, but they do not. My guess is EA doesn't want a lot of contact so Maggie rides him that way. A good rider can tailor their ride to their horses needs.

SpartanVirtue
Aug. 5, 2009, 11:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsDdUv9iP7s[/QUOTE]


Thanks for posting the video of Rio Renoir!!! One of the super horses that everyone should see.

chawley
Aug. 5, 2009, 12:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsDdUv9iP7s


Thanks for posting the video of Rio Renoir!!! One of the super horses that everyone should see.[/QUOTE]


I LOVE Rio Renoir - he's one of my favorites!

Silk
Aug. 5, 2009, 07:23 PM
When/why did Maggie get the ride on Early Applause?

On a side note, I would have though a more forward seat would have been warranted if they are trying to bring some of the "old" school charm of the handy courses/outside courses back. Nonetheless, lovely horse and regardless of your opinion of the rider's style, the horse certainly found the fences and jumped beautifully.

CBoylen
Aug. 5, 2009, 07:33 PM
Maggie's client bought Early Applause at the end of FL. Maggie was champion on him at Devon in the green conf. He also shows in the juniors.

Quinn
Aug. 5, 2009, 07:48 PM
Really lovely video clip of Rio Renoir. Beautiful example of a hunter round. I will try to attach one of Cabardino. Another gorgeous horse.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

DMK
Aug. 5, 2009, 07:57 PM
Most of us will never be the rider Maggie is, either, by a long shot. precious sounds like s/he has an ax to grind.

i mean, my god, she rode that horse on the forward step and on a loose rein all the way around the course and never missed. you'd think she was a throwback to the 70's or something, huh? oh the horrors.

where is the painfully slow backwards ride we've come to expect? i demand an inquiry! alert the media!!

ynl063w
Aug. 5, 2009, 08:15 PM
i mean, my god, she rode that horse on the forward step and on a loose rein all the way around the course and never missed. you'd think she was a throwback to the 70's or something, huh? oh the horrors.

where is the painfully slow backwards ride we've come to expect? i demand an inquiry! alert the media!!

I saw her ride a bunch of horses at Devon this year, and while her style of riding is unique, she definitely got the job done, which is all it's about. She did quite well ribbon-wise, so the judges were clearly happy with her riding and her horses. I can't relate to all the hate on this board.

vbunny
Aug. 5, 2009, 08:52 PM
Thanks all, very helpful indeed. One of the nice things is that many of them are good enough quality that I can actually see some of the riding involved, very educational. You guys should stop talking about hair and coat colors :winkgrin: - some lovely, effective riding there.

3Dogs
Aug. 5, 2009, 09:02 PM
These:

http://www.silverhorne.com/assets/multimedia/Indio_2004_Round_1.wmv

http://www.silverhorne.com/assets/multimedia/Indio_2004_Round_2.wmv

HJPony
Aug. 5, 2009, 10:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO-vQFQYdRM


The Perfectionist is such a dream to watch:p. Did anyone else catch that giant forward uphill gallop around 1:45? ..gorgeous.

iridehorses
Aug. 5, 2009, 10:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuZnnI-rV0k&feature=channel_page
^Lazy Sunday & Sam...both horse & rider are top jr hunter names (sames a top jr in everything to be exact!) and well known in derbies. this is from the devon derby

precious
Aug. 5, 2009, 10:18 PM
precious has no axe to grind, just an opinion to express. the horse is going terribly and get worse every time i see it. as for maggie, her riding gets worse every time i see her. she needs to lose her fathera nd his sale horses and work for a real professional that has a focus. as for devon, it was the worst showing i've seen in 20 years. maggie won because everyone else did worse. she was not the best, just the best of the worst. my opinion, no axe...

vbunny
Aug. 6, 2009, 05:15 PM
I hadn't realized how forward the upper levels are. It's lovely (and makes so much sense)

hellerkm
Aug. 6, 2009, 05:35 PM
Ohhh..Early Applause is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVCK9wX_uto
Oompa Loompa! Seriously, the cutest pony ever! I haven't seen him go in real life but his youtubes are so adorable.

Oh " I want an Oompa Loompa" ( charley and the chocolate factory)
but really I do!!!

DMK
Aug. 6, 2009, 07:41 PM
precious has no axe to grind, just an opinion to express. the horse is going terribly and get worse every time i see it. as for maggie, her riding gets worse every time i see her. she needs to lose her fathera nd his sale horses and work for a real professional that has a focus. as for devon, it was the worst showing i've seen in 20 years. maggie won because everyone else did worse. she was not the best, just the best of the worst. my opinion, no axe...

another opinion is that when some horses leave a trainer (really, shouldn't there be a 5 strikes and you're out rule?) and go to a new trainer and performance deteriorates ... well then, some folks just start singing "suspicious minds" and segue into "mother's little helper" :D

CBoylen
Aug. 6, 2009, 07:53 PM
DMK, I, for one, don't appreciate your opinion. Precious's comments are mean-spririted and unnecessary, but you are just looking to stir the pot. That's a legitimately nice horse and he doesn't deserve your speculation any more than Maggie deserves Precious's unsolicited critique.

precious
Aug. 6, 2009, 08:43 PM
chanda, this is an open forum, where opinions are solicited. those opinions may differ from yours, but they are not wrong or right. I disagree with your opinion of my comments, and reserve to keep my opinion of you and your comments to myself. :eek: And as they say, if you can't stand the heat......

ynl063w
Aug. 6, 2009, 09:17 PM
another opinion is that when some horses leave a trainer (really, shouldn't there be a 5 strikes and you're out rule?) and go to a new trainer and performance deteriorates ... well then, some folks just start singing "suspicious minds" and segue into "mother's little helper" :D

I'm reading this comment as an insinuation that the former trainer was drugging the horse, and that's why the performance under the current management has deteriorated. If I'm not mistaken, this is a dig at the former trainer. Looking at the horse's record under the current situation, however, I'm not sure there's been much (if any) deterioration.

CBoylen
Aug. 6, 2009, 09:20 PM
Precious, you should notice that I criticized your manners, not your opinion.

subk
Aug. 6, 2009, 09:36 PM
Another eventer here loving some of these videos! I suspect we eventers miss how forward the horses really are because we get sucked into the amazing rhythm.

Now--sniping aside I do have a real question. I realize that in a non-equitation class that it's about the horse. But isn't it also about creating total picture? If a rider's equitation is so dangerous (as opposed to unconventional) that it makes the onlooker gasp doesn't that spoil the picture you're trying to create? Why does it pin? It's a lovely round by the horse, but when her right heel catches the horse's hip over every jump it really destroys it for me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuZnnI-rV0k&feature=channel_page

precious
Aug. 6, 2009, 10:32 PM
and i'm not interested in your critique of my manners chanda. I had enough manners not to critique you, fortunately for you! I have more manners in my........well you know. Any way, the horse may be winning in competitions that are less than competitive with the new rider. We'll see if it makes it back next year or wind up being just another high priced discard into the lame, over ridden, broken down poor souls paddock. And then we'll see if the thatchers buy another one from them or move on to the next one.:mad:

Twix04
Aug. 6, 2009, 11:52 PM
Really lovely video clip of Rio Renoir. Beautiful example of a hunter round. I will try to attach one of Cabardino. Another gorgeous horse.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

Cabardino is a lovely horse!!

Twix04
Aug. 6, 2009, 11:55 PM
Another eventer here loving some of these videos! I suspect we eventers miss how forward the horses really are because we get sucked into the amazing rhythm.

Now--sniping aside I do have a real question. I realize that in a non-equitation class that it's about the horse. But isn't it also about creating total picture? If a rider's equitation is so dangerous (as opposed to unconventional) that it makes the onlooker gasp doesn't that spoil the picture you're trying to create? Why does it pin? It's a lovely round by the horse, but when her right heel catches the horse's hip over every jump it really destroys it for me:

I agree. The horse jumps beautifully, but I was constantly distracted by the rider, and EA seemed annoyed in some instances with a rather unpleasant expression on his face.

Carol Ames
Aug. 6, 2009, 11:58 PM
Are there any of Rox Dene?

M. O'Connor
Aug. 7, 2009, 08:11 AM
WOW some sharp edges to this thread, huh?

Guess I don't know chopped liver from a crossrail, but I didn't think the EA video was all that bad (other than it being hard to even see the horse w/the camera angle, bushes, roof lines, etc).

It's a HANDY course, and not your straighforward redundantly blah outside/inside proposition so it's going to call for a different ride, and sometimes a different horse, which is why some different types sometimes rise to the top during that phase of competition. But overall, I think the horses who can win the handies w/out missing a beat are well able to drone away at the 'normal' courses; sometimes going the other way around isn't so attractive.

I bet some small minded HSD types are just having withdrawal symptoms...pay them no mind, MJ can sure ride better than most out there and does just fine, thank yew.

Quinn
Aug. 7, 2009, 08:21 AM
Cabardino.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-wL0G0-wBY

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

SilverBalls
Aug. 7, 2009, 09:48 AM
WOW... Some awesome videos of some awesome horses and riders!

One thing I have noticed over the years, is that some horses are not for everyone or every program. Just like people... sometimes horses ain't a match for a junior, amateur, or professional etc. Unfortunately there are professionials that purchase the "horse du jour" due to pressure from a client, an obsession to have the winner etc. As with any change, it takes time to adjust. I also believe some professionals attempt to take the short track to success.

I have said this many times, but Rox Dene, in my opinion was the hunter of the century! The partnership that this mare had with Elizabeth Solter... well they were like soulmates if there is such a thing. But I remember when the mare was leased ( correct me if I am wrong ) to a junior. It was not a match... and everyone moved on.
But, if one chooses to buy a supastar, be ready to be scrutinized, and remember you will always be compared to the previous combination. And I believe, Kelley Farmer is an amazing and natural talent, who is quite versatile.

Some professionals cannot ride every horse and refuse to give up.... sometimes creating problems that are permanent. There are a handful of professionals out there that can ride anything.

For me.. my horses need to be amateurized, and able to take a joke. I can tell in 5 minutes if I will connect with a horse. Of course, my wallet has to be on board as well! :D

jumpingmaya
Aug. 7, 2009, 09:57 AM
Great post... and some great horses!!!!

Carol Ames
Aug. 7, 2009, 10:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOoimIwxL7w

beesknees
Aug. 7, 2009, 10:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVCK9wX_uto
Oompa Loompa! Seriously, the cutest pony ever! I haven't seen him go in real life but his youtubes are so adorable.

My gosh, how cute is that little pony!!! I just wanna hug him! He looks so tiny in that big ring :lol:

And I really like this guy, North Country http://equisvideo.com/winnerscircle/index33.html

RugBug
Aug. 7, 2009, 12:01 PM
I do have a real question. I realize that in a non-equitation class that it's about the horse. But isn't it also about creating total picture? If a rider's equitation is so dangerous (as opposed to unconventional) that it makes the onlooker gasp doesn't that spoil the picture you're trying to create? Why does it pin? It's a lovely round by the horse, but when her right heel catches the horse's hip over every jump it really destroys it for me:

Heh...I was distracted by Early Applause's rider, but didn't even notice the flying legs on Lazy Sunday's.

I wouldn't call the ride dangerous, you see stuff like that all the time in the jumpers (the big stuff, too) and even in eventing (although maybe not as much at advanced, which would be similar height-wise to this course). Unattractive? yes. Distracting? possibly. But, if the job gets done in the hunters, that's all the matters. I do prefer a pretty round no matter the discipline, but riding isn't always pretty.

DMK
Aug. 7, 2009, 12:14 PM
DMK, I, for one, don't appreciate your opinion. Precious's comments are mean-spririted and unnecessary, but you are just looking to stir the pot. That's a legitimately nice horse and he doesn't deserve your speculation any more than Maggie deserves Precious's unsolicited critique.

i agree that it is a legitimately nice horse. i also don't think performance has deteriorated. however there's also plenty of "past performance" history that isn't exactly speculation when it comes to the former trainer. he's not my cup of tea by a long shot. if he's your cup, more power to you. but in my opinion, he compares poorly to other trainers based on the totality of the record and not just the wins. That would be my opinion, whether you appreciate it or not.

2bayboys
Aug. 7, 2009, 12:29 PM
Cabardino.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-wL0G0-wBY

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

Oh my!! LOVE that big slow rocking canter and the knees in the rafters. Yummy!

MMorgan
Aug. 7, 2009, 12:30 PM
http://www.equestriansport.tv/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=37

Hopefully this link will work...It's a replay of the 2008 pro challenge at the Capital Challenge HS. There are some gorgeous hunter rounds to watch.

beesknees
Aug. 7, 2009, 12:31 PM
Oh my!! LOVE that big slow rocking canter and the knees in the rafters. Yummy!

yeah! I'd almost be scared to use a standing martingale on him haha!

Czar
Aug. 7, 2009, 01:23 PM
Quinn...you beat me to it :)

Love Cabardino - especially his jumping style. We have a 2 yr old filly of his that we will be backing later this year so *fingers crossed*

Mozart
Aug. 7, 2009, 01:33 PM
I am not a hunter person but I have watched some nice hunters (including these videos) and I have come to the conclusion that the best hunters rounds look like both horse and rider are having a blast. It looks like even the horse thinks "This is soo much fun, just meeting this lovely fence at just the right spot and don't I look like ALL THAT and wheee here we go again!"

H/J Anonymous
Aug. 7, 2009, 01:44 PM
and i'm not interested in your critique of my manners chanda. I had enough manners not to critique you, fortunately for you! I have more manners in my........well you know. Any way, the horse may be winning in competitions that are less than competitive with the new rider. We'll see if it makes it back next year or wind up being just another high priced discard into the lame, over ridden, broken down poor souls paddock. And then we'll see if the thatchers buy another one from them or move on to the next one.:mad:

However, as stated, this post was about great hunter horses. This horse no doubt qualifies -- regardless of the current situation. It is still winning and winning well in good company, so there must still be something there in a variety of judge's opinion.

How the horse and rider is accomplishing or accomplished this will never be known to you or to me or was the discussion of this thread.

An opinion is an opinion, but you are trying to make your opinion a statement which has no merrit.

Just an observation/opinion...I am enjoying the videos and lovely horses and maybe you will be able to do the same.

2bayboys
Aug. 7, 2009, 01:52 PM
~sigh~

HorseShowDiva is currently offline, so some people may be feeling a bit tetchy with their pent-up snarkiness. :D Making insinuations against Larry, Kelly, [insert trainer/rider name here] is a favorite pastime on that rag.

On topic, please keep the vids coming!

bascher
Aug. 7, 2009, 02:45 PM
Ohhh..Early Applause is amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVCK9wX_uto
Oompa Loompa! Seriously, the cutest pony ever! I haven't seen him go in real life but his youtubes are so adorable.

Oompa is at our barn now, he is such a cute little pony! :)

Gry2Yng
Aug. 7, 2009, 03:09 PM
Cabardino.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-wL0G0-wBY

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

NOW THAT IS GORGEOUS! Great gallop, great jump and scope to spare. No wonder his babies are selling like hotcakes. I have a 4 yo by Rio Grande out of Augustin's stallion Viva Voltaire. My colt's dam has a young Cabardino filly, may have to look at it. Thank you to PP who posted the Rio Renoir video. Fun to watch. My colt has less white, but they are very similar.

I really like the horses from Charlot Farms, they have incredible scope and stride and a great work ethic. They are presenting mares and foals this weekend for those interested.

ETA: Just looked the filly sold.

Sing Mia Song
Aug. 7, 2009, 03:15 PM
and i'm not interested in your critique of my manners chanda. I had enough manners not to critique you, fortunately for you! I have more manners in my........well you know. Any way, the horse may be winning in competitions that are less than competitive with the new rider. We'll see if it makes it back next year or wind up being just another high priced discard into the lame, over ridden, broken down poor souls paddock. And then we'll see if the thatchers buy another one from them or move on to the next one.:mad:

Aren't you a charming one. :rolleyes:

Manners, not so much.

DMK
Aug. 7, 2009, 03:44 PM
cabardino truly is a lovely, lovely horse isn't he? also if anyone can dig up some of louise's rounds on gray slipper, they were exceptional as well..

(and it should be noted that diva died a truly deserved death, if not one that was months too late - no pent up anything, except relief!)

Perfect Pony
Aug. 7, 2009, 04:27 PM
I didn't mean to be snarky at all about MJ riding, I just found it shocking. I am leasing a horse that likes to swap off one lead and drift left, and get yelled at for not having my reins short enough to keep myself from pulling my hand away from the neck. I was just surprised to see someone of her caliber at that level with her hands everywhere.

That said, this video on youtube shows a different ride. Maybe she was just having a weird day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECW8fD8u8dk

Lovely horse...I guess there's some contraversy surrounding him eh? Makes for good reading even though I haven't a clue what you are talking about. Ah the show world.

precious
Aug. 7, 2009, 05:53 PM
However, as stated, this post was about great hunter horses. This horse no doubt qualifies -- regardless of the current situation. It is still winning and winning well in good company, so there must still be something there in a variety of judge's opinion.

How the horse and rider is accomplishing or accomplished this will never be known to you or to me or was the discussion of this thread.

An opinion is an opinion, but you are trying to make your opinion a statement which has no merrit.

Just an observation/opinion...I am enjoying the videos and lovely horses and maybe you will be able to do the same.

uh huh, and great hunter horses are certainly not in their first year. They withstand the test of time, multiple owners and riders and show a longevity that is a tribute to their training, management and breeding. Strapless is a wonderful example as was Classic Importer, et. al. A nice horse which ea is will not be a great horse for years to com, if as i mentioned he isn't broken down, which he will be with riding as displayed. i regret that chanda did not post the video of the horse winning in FL with Kelly, riding properly and with contact. perhaps if you saw that video, your mind would change and you would see the train wreck waiting to happen.

precious
Aug. 7, 2009, 06:01 PM
~sigh~

HorseShowDiva is currently offline, so some people may be feeling a bit tetchy with their pent-up snarkiness. :D Making insinuations against Larry, Kelly, [insert trainer/rider name here] is a favorite pastime on that rag.

On topic, please keep the vids coming!

opinions that are not main stream or in agreement with yours are not snarky, they are opinions. no one made insinuations. They are also opinions. Look at the devon video, the first video, and a florida video if you can find it. Three different horses. There is only one way that happens. Figure it out!

DancingQueen
Aug. 7, 2009, 06:34 PM
First of all I have to say that I'm very happy that OP is looking to the hunter side of things for input. There's a lot more skill needed to navigate a hunter course then what is obvious to the naked eye.
The goal of the hunters is to show off the horse. The skill it takes to making it look effortless, as if the horse was strawberries and cream to ride, is huge.

I'm into jumpers. I grew up in Europe and I dabbled a little in both dressage and eventing when I was younger.
In my opinion there's a lot to be learned from the American hunter and also Equitation.

I used to be all about "getting the job done" on course and I think I always had a little bit of a nack for feeling how a horse wanted to get jumped to produce that clear round.
I still have all of that but I ride very differently (and IMO better) after having lived and worked here the last decade (maybe it's also because I'm now 10 years older and have a bigger brain) I credit a lot of that to riding in the hunters.

I used to walk a course and not bother getting a number if it was more then 5 strides. I'd laugh and say "numbers only matter if you can actually control your horse" I'm riding this one off my eye!
It generally worked out just fine but I was always winging it just a little.

The biggest benefit in doing the hunters (from an outsiders view) is that it forces you to make an early decision. You want to know where you are out of the turn, there's no late fixes to a bad distance.

Riding hunters really helps in developing a feel for the stride and an early eye. The ride is certainly different from that of the jumper phase in eventing. In the jumper phase you are dealing with a horse that is a touch tired and also a horse that is asked to be brave and not mind skimming over solid fences. It's a very different challenge.
In the hunters your goal is to present the horse as though it was basically doing a free jumping trip. The only goal in the jumper phase is to produce a clean trip.

I think however that we can certainly help our horses (stadium jumping or three-day) to do that by developing that feel for the stride and early eye that allows us to keep out of their way in the approach and over the top of the jump.

Not sure if OP is looking to cross over and become one of us or is looking for hints to find more fluidity.

The key IMO is in the eye and the rythm. If you can find a jump early enough to leave your horse be the last few strides he will most likely be able to jump better. Another good cue is the dropping of the reins a stride out. If you always do it while practicing your horse will learn that he's on his own and try a little harder.

I might have answered a question never asked here but again. Props to you for realizing that it takes a lot of skill to ride a hunter and that the reason good trips look super easy is because the riders and horse involved are very good at what they do!

vbunny
Aug. 7, 2009, 07:14 PM
Thanks DancingQueen. I am be interested in crossing over, especially for those hunter Derbies (boy, they look fun) but there is more than that. I want to learn to ride a forward, fluid course, to make the horse not only look easy, but be easy(ier), to see my spot earlier and more consistently - and to be a little more stylish doing it ;). I would love to be competitive in the hunter ring too, but mainly I really want to own the skills it takes to be that. I feel like there are great holes in my education and that this is the next step to filling them in.

What I am noticing most from the videos is that when the horse is forward, rhythmic, with lots of hind end activity, and relaxed through it's body nice things happen. Sounds easy when I write it, eh? The great part about videos is that I can get a "feel" for how the ride should feel. If I watch enough of them I can get a sense for the ride and emulate it much better. I used to watch upper level XC rides the night before XC and that helped a lot then too. Now I am focusing on new skills and I can feel the videos helping again. I had a lovely little jump today on our sales horse after watching videos last night and I plan to keep doing it on a regular basis.

So, after a long and maybe boring post - I'd really lovely to see more handy hunter courses and the hunter derby ones?

And thanks to everyone who has posted videos so far, they are so helpful.

DMK
Aug. 7, 2009, 08:32 PM
What I am noticing most from the videos is that when the horse is forward, rhythmic, with lots of hind end activity, and relaxed through it's body nice things happen. Sounds easy when I write it, eh?

us hunter types will tell you that the second hardest thing is to train a horse to do that while it looks like the rider is doing nothing. The hardest thing is to make it look like you are doing nothing in the ring. In short we work very, very, very hard to make it look easy. ;)

Quinn
Aug. 7, 2009, 09:10 PM
NOW THAT IS GORGEOUS! Great gallop, great jump and scope to spare. No wonder his babies are selling like hotcakes. I have a 4 yo by Rio Grande out of Augustin's stallion Viva Voltaire. My colt's dam has a young Cabardino filly, may have to look at it. Thank you to PP who posted the Rio Renoir video. Fun to watch. My colt has less white, but they are very similar.

I really like the horses from Charlot Farms, they have incredible scope and stride and a great work ethic. They are presenting mares and foals this weekend for those interested.

ETA: Just looked the filly sold.

I am attending the mares and foals presentation tomorrow at Charlot Farms and will report back tomorrow evening!

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

Quinn
Aug. 8, 2009, 03:51 PM
Saw Cabardino free jumped today and I can tell you he is BREATHTAKING!

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

Gry2Yng
Aug. 8, 2009, 04:40 PM
Saw Cabardino free jumped today and I can tell you he is BREATHTAKING!

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

I am SO SO SO jealous. I wish I had seen your post before you went. My husband is on his annual golf outing (has only missed one in 15 years and that was because I just gave birth) I would really like to add a nice young mare to my barn. Maybe something by Rio or Cabardino that I could later breed. There is a 2009 filly (lots of chrome I am told) that is full sister to my colt. Viva Voltaire/Rio (Riada W). But I would also be up for a Cab foal, based on seeing him go in the video you provided.

Did you have any particular favorites? I prefer a very versitile horse. Little dressage, little hunters or jumpers, brave enough to event. WORK ETHIC is a priority.

Quinn
Aug. 8, 2009, 05:31 PM
There were a couple of Cabardino fillies that were spectacular. I will consult with one of my friends who attended and get right back to you. I would be more than happy to take a trip back up to view again. They're only an hour from me and most accommodating.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

Quinn
Aug. 8, 2009, 05:35 PM
There is a beautiful grey mare "Rio's Rose" born 2000, 16.2 hh. She is by Rio Grande and currently in foal to Viva Voltaire. She had lovely lovely movement and is priced at $15K CDN.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

enjoytheride
Aug. 8, 2009, 05:58 PM
Apparently someone needs to make another horseshowdiva or horseshowspy so people that have nothing better to do then snark like a bunch of 12 yo hunter princesses texting on their Blackberries can find another forum to spend time on.

Gry2Yng
Aug. 8, 2009, 06:40 PM
There is a beautiful grey mare "Rio's Rose" born 2000, 16.2 hh. She is by Rio Grande and currently in foal to Viva Voltaire. She had lovely lovely movement and is priced at $15K CDN.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

LOL! My husband and I are both finance professionals. He works a lot with currency. Looks like the CDN$ is back in US favor again, last we talked, it wasn't. I actually don't seek out the hack winner type "movers" as I prefer something that uses its hocks really well, but with Viva on top, you might get the benefit of both. Will take a look at her. Did you see anything Cabardino bred that you really liked. I will PM you with my email.

Silk
Aug. 8, 2009, 06:54 PM
Maggie's client bought Early Applause at the end of FL. Maggie was champion on him at Devon in the green conf. He also shows in the juniors.

Thanks, Chanda. I think this pretty much sums up the horse's ability and appeal, no? :)

CBoylen
Aug. 8, 2009, 07:01 PM
That's true, but I personally find him most appealing at the 4ft, Silk. He did the regular conf as well as the green conf this winter, and he is especially spectacular over the bigger jumps.

Silk
Aug. 8, 2009, 07:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOoimIwxL7w

Ok....I have NO saliva left after that droolfest!!! Gorgeous, gorgeous horse, beautiful rides (not to mention the rider is ok too;))

I never want to hear or see anyone make any comment about that man "ducking". After watching that, I am amazed at his softness and the flow of each round.

precious
Aug. 9, 2009, 09:40 AM
hmmm, green, regular and juniors, that's perhaps why the horse is going so poorly and perhaps why it will be broken down by the end of the year. time will tell. jingles to all of you. oh and the diva is not down. open and chatting as usual.:lol:

goodmorning
Aug. 9, 2009, 11:31 PM
While there have been some lovely video's posted...as far as online video's this is probably my favorite (you have to click on his photo):

http://www.dornataintor.com/stallion.html

2bayboys
Aug. 10, 2009, 08:46 AM
always loved strapless as well, unfortunately this was not one of her best rounds. as for early applause, i'm glad you qualified your post chanda, it was not a round that impressed me. in fact the horse is getting worse and maggie will never be the hunter rider kelly is, ever. what is with the head singing, the sailboat reins and the cowboy look. the horse will be done in a year, if that long. upshot is a nice horse. larry should do a little chemistry lesson with alex.

insinuation in·sin·u·a·tion (noun)

sly hint; something unpleasant artfully and indirectly suggested

Your final sentence in the above quote is an example of an insinuation. If you had said: "I think that L should show A the drug cocktail he was giving the horse to make it go well" that would NOT have been an insinuation, but rather a clear statement of your opinion, which you are so loudly defending as your right to express.

sansibar
Aug. 10, 2009, 09:14 AM
While there have been some lovely video's posted...as far as online video's this is probably my favorite (you have to click on his photo):

http://www.dornataintor.com/stallion.html

OMG! he is beautiful!

Maya01
Aug. 10, 2009, 09:42 AM
This isn't the trip I was looking for (wanted the WEF WCHR class), but Early Applause is one of the nicest ones out there right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQUy_AInAvI .

Upshot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYH0DVtjc78

I love the second one for a hunter - tight form, forward, upbeat canter and happy expression.

The riders hands distracted me from the first horse. I mean what the hell is she doing with her hands!? GM would simply just chop them off :lol:

precious
Aug. 10, 2009, 12:27 PM
insinuation in·sin·u·a·tion (noun)

sly hint; something unpleasant artfully and indirectly suggested

Your final sentence in the above quote is an example of an insinuation. If you had said: "I think that L should show A the drug cocktail he was giving the horse to make it go well" that would NOT have been an insinuation, but rather a clear statement of your opinion, which you are so loudly defending as your right to express.

you say tomato, i say tomato, you say drug cocktail i say chemistry lesson. you obviously understood the meaning of my post, so.... glad to know you can use a dictionary, it's a lost art!;)

Czar
Aug. 10, 2009, 02:04 PM
While there have been some lovely video's posted...as far as online video's this is probably my favorite (you have to click on his photo):

http://www.dornataintor.com/stallion.html

Holy smokes...he jumps incredible out of the "2" in the first course.

Know the rider?

And what a canter! So forward yet precise everytime.

RugBug
Aug. 10, 2009, 02:09 PM
Holy smokes...he jumps incredible out of the "2" in the first course.

Know the rider?

And what a canter! So forward yet precise everytime.

Jupiter is just lovely. My trainer has a 2 year old by him and while he looks exactly like his mother (:sigh:) Jupiter improved movement for sure. It's too early to tell about jumping form, etc...but we're anxiously waiting.

amt813
Aug. 10, 2009, 03:04 PM
Holy smokes...he jumps incredible out of the "2" in the first course.

Know the rider?

And what a canter! So forward yet precise everytime.

Lindsey Phoebus rode Jupiter in that video - she owned him for several years and showed him in the A/Os

Czar
Aug. 10, 2009, 07:06 PM
Thanks amt..she's a lovely rider.

Rugbug...any pics of the baby? I was surprised to read Jupiter was only 15.3hh (not that that is bad, I LOVE smaller horses) - he just looked much bigger.

RugBug
Aug. 10, 2009, 07:32 PM
Rugbug...any pics of the baby? I was surprised to read Jupiter was only 15.3hh (not that that is bad, I LOVE smaller horses) - he just looked much bigger.

I don't have any. He looks almost exactly like his mom, who was Dutch/Tb (by Telstar and looked just like him: http://www.carbondalefarms.com/stallion_telstar.html) Two year old's head is nicer and again, he's a better mover than mom. It's hard to see Jupiter in him. One reason Jupiter was chosen was his size...although now my trainer is worried because her baby is smaller than all the others. :lol: I just think he's going to mature later and will end up in the 16 h range.

There are a ton of COTH-ers with Jupiter babies. Justice just bought herself another one (she's had two). And ChefJade used to own one. I've been impressed with every one of them.

Back to the OP: Can anyone find a video of Hush? I loved him when I saw him go on the live Upperville feed two years(?) ago... Have no idea if he's been successful or not.