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enjoytheride
Aug. 2, 2009, 12:29 PM
I'm looking at the American hunter pony classic auction and I'm seeing lots of "crossbred welsh" with half the pedigree filled in. Do the breeders/owners really not know what the other cross is or is it something shamful like a GASP arabian? If it is part arabian is the stigma that great that you can't mention it despite a pony having a solid record?

spmoonie
Aug. 2, 2009, 12:39 PM
It could be anything couldnt it? :confused: I dont have a clue, just taking a guess.

farmgirl88
Aug. 2, 2009, 12:39 PM
Most crossbred welsh's are not arabians. The majority are out of Tb's and its the honest truth and its sad, but the majority of the pony world just doesnt care about the dam's side if its not full welsh or if the Dam doesnt have a prominant sire's name attached to her pedigree.

If its a well known sire with goodbloodlines that has produced consistant and proven winners; thats pretty much how people in the pony world look at it. To be reg 1/2 welsh and if your looking at showing and selling a half welsh, most people just care about whats on the sire's side. If the dam of the crossbred welsh is a 1/2 welsh herself, people will also be interested in that. But pretty much if the dam isnt full or 1/2 welsh with registration; no one really cares

Seal Harbor
Aug. 2, 2009, 12:42 PM
Welsh and something else.

Arab and Welsh, TB and Welsh used to be the typical cross, now perhaps GRP and BRP or warmbloods.

I had a kid with some lovely Arab-Welsh crosses but that was 30 years ago. They were Mediums.

rupenthal2
Aug. 2, 2009, 03:16 PM
There is a logical reason many mare's pedigrees are not listed. The current owner has no idea..because the mare was never registered, the papers were lost, as she went to new owners no one bothered with the papers, etc. Once a pony is competing, many people do not care about the papers.

There are many wonderful mares showing and breeding that dont have papers, thus listed as "crosses."

On the other hand, stallions are registered. Thus, you see the stallions pedigree listed fully.

Frequently the mare is listed as "unknown" because just listing the name "Molly Mare" does not give any worthwhile information. Not because no one knows where the baby came from.

I have one in the sale out of a beautiful welsh-type mare. The mare consistently produces lovely babies..although she has no papers, she still has been a great broodmare. So, my pony is a half=welsh as the sire is Clovercroft Abba Adonia...most definitely a registered welsh.

And so, after looking at the catalogue,, did you find some to buy :)

pwynnnorman
Aug. 2, 2009, 05:26 PM
But pretty much if the dam isnt full or 1/2 welsh with registration; no one really cares

Not sure I'd totally agree with you there--not in terms of the name on the bottom, but the breed. I think folks like to know if the other half is TB or GRP these days. That's just speculation based on observation, but it makes sense to me, too.

I'd also think that the younger/less proven u/s the beastie, the more folks would want to know what--if not "who"--was on the bottom. Wouldn't you think so, too?

superpony123
Aug. 2, 2009, 06:02 PM
it's exactly what it is. half welsh, half something else.

i have a half welsh pony. we don't know what the other half is, but my guess is that it's very likely a QH or paint horse. (my pony is pinto colored, he's got some refined qualities of a welshie, but he's also got a stocky bum like a QH)

there's no official other half to a crossbred welsh. COMMONLY, hunter ponies that are welsh crossbreds (mainly larges and some mediums) are half welsh, then half:
(this is all in ponyhunterland)
- TB (most common)
- connemara (not uncommon but i wouldn't say it's very common)
- GRP (not so common, generally i don't think we see people breeding GRP's here--hence the name. they come from germany. i think they have some welsh in them actually to have created the breed. the breed itself is a big experimental mishmash of ponies and WB's lol. then again, i guess most breeds are)
- QH (not as common but not uncommon)
- arab (not very common in hunter pony land)
- shetland (not common as far as i know, but does happen)

enjoytheride
Aug. 2, 2009, 08:53 PM
Now I think that the arab is much more common then people want to admit but it has a negative side for hunters. If it's a small or a medium how common is to have a TB that close up?

Yes, I know it's a cross between welsh and something else LOL I want to know what the other half is and why nobody seems to know.

chunky munky
Aug. 2, 2009, 09:45 PM
Arabs are very common in German Riding Pony lines.

HJPony
Aug. 2, 2009, 10:05 PM
Crossbred Welsh is just as it reads. Welsh x other. Many times Thoroughbred or Arabian. This is especially common if the breeder wants height to their Welsh cross foal.

VirginiaBred
Aug. 2, 2009, 10:15 PM
I'm looking at the American hunter pony classic auction and I'm seeing lots of "crossbred welsh" with half the pedigree filled in. Do the breeders/owners really not know what the other cross is or is it something shamful like a GASP arabian? If it is part arabian is the stigma that great that you can't mention it despite a pony having a solid record?


At that particular sale the vast majority of the crossbreds are Welsh x TB.

In most cases, you would be able to tell if a parent was Arabian. Most hunter folks do not like Arabians and an Arabian wouldn't sell that well at that sale.

HobbyHorse101
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:01 PM
I've known (Ridden and owned) Quite a few very succesful arabian and arabian cross hunters and jumpers. We currently have an Arab/Akhal-Teke that when you look at him and watch him move one would think he is a thoroughbred cross. A friend of mine had a Welsh Arab, that looked pure welsh but had a daintier face, and was easier to ride than a pure pony.

GreystoneKC
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:16 PM
One of my ponies is registered 1/2 Welsh so I just call her "1/2 Welsh". Technically, she's 3/4 Welsh because her sire, Islander, is a full Welsh and her mother, (I think her name is) Iced Tea, is 1/2 Welsh and 1/2 Arabian - however I do not know if her mother was registered. I laugh about not liking to tell anyone that she has Arabian in her, but really I don't mind. Most people guess at it anyway since her face is a bit more dishy than most Welsh ponies, lol.

RyuEquestrian
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:36 PM
We have a 2008 crossbred welsh pony (http://sakurahillfarm.com/horses.php?HOID=38) that should end up a large. He was bred from our now deceased TB mare who was only 15.2h and is sired by *Telynau Falcon (11.2h). His dam was a TB who was registered with the JC and he will be registered Welsh.

We bred him as a future pony hunter/ driving pony to get the mail :-)