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Pirateer
Jul. 31, 2009, 02:36 PM
Please? Indulge me :)

Bloodlines also, if you please.

ETA: If you know names of any showing the circuit (and I mean a real fancy 3'6" horse type, either h/j/eq) that I can google for pictures, that'd be great too!

Vandy
Jul. 31, 2009, 02:47 PM
http://cristyc.smugmug.com/gallery/7903541_ZAeUC#512833419_BzisZ-L-LB

He's not going to be a world beater, but is a good solid citizen who easily gets the strides. He has gotten some good ribbons in the baby greens, pre-childrens, and children's hunters, and gets better every time out (he's still fairly green and has been to 5 or 6 shows I think). I realize he's not going to be the winner at the biggest shows, but with a good round he can be competitive in our zone.

We've shown him AQHA once, and he won both classes under both judges with rounds that would have likely gotten low ribbons at a USEF show.

snaffle635
Jul. 31, 2009, 02:51 PM
http://cristyc.smugmug.com/gallery/7903541_ZAeUC#512833419_BzisZ-L-LB

He's not going to be a world beater, I realize. He has gotten some good ribbons in the baby greens, pre-childrens, and children's hunters, and gets better every time out. I realize he's not going to be the winner at the biggest shows, but with a good round he can be competitive in our zone.

We've shown him AQHA once, and he won both classes under both judges with rounds that would have likely gotten low ribbons at a USEF show.

holy moley, vandy, is that you riding? LOVELY equitation...you should send that pic to PH. :-)

Nice horse. I like the way he's using his neck over that fence.

Long Shadow Farm
Jul. 31, 2009, 03:32 PM
Here is my guy.

I loff to brag about him because he is too cool IMO. He does the Medals with Juniors around here, I do the 3'6" jumpers and next year he will also to the A/Os Hunters. Plus we show in him the Over Fences classes at the QH shows around here and Event at Training level with plans to move him up to Prelim either late fall or early spring.

Jus Passed My Zipper by Passing It Along (full brother to Barpasser's Image..sire of Invitation Only) and out of a point earning daughter of Zippo's Smokey. My guy was suppose to be a pleasure horse but got wayyy to big, so I just started playing around and jumping him... and love him now.

Here he is in one of the Medals with a junior rider from my barn..
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2416829860092043612xTDUeJ?vhost=pets

Me and him in the Stadium jumping phase at a horse trial..

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2353841290092043612ybGBnW?vhost=pets

A cross country pic..

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2612099930092043612kyeWZy?vhost=pets

and one of my new favs cross country pic...

http://www.photographmemory.com/gallery/8523577_gHKUf#561813574_9vhuX-A-LB

He is qualified for the World this year in the Open jumpers... just trying to find someone who will ride him for me as I am a weenie once they get over 3'6".

Bobbi

To the MAX
Jul. 31, 2009, 03:39 PM
http://www.gallopprints.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=216883
This is a family friend's appendix. They bought him out of a field when he was 3. I rode him, then my friend (whose mom owns him) and now her little sister is riding him. He doesn't always get a piece of the hack, but man can he JUMP!

Horseshowaddict
Jul. 31, 2009, 04:46 PM
This one isnt mine anymore, but I found and bought him to be a hunter, then sold him. Hes now doing 3' stuff. Hes placed at HITS, etc etc. Registered name is OQH To The Hunt by Coats N Tails.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2081329&id=11804669&l=d3139e3635

Not the best pictures, and is doing the baby greens in the jumping pix. Hes got a video on youtube as well. First time shown over fences http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLnhNQzqHNk


Also someone has got to have an o/f picture of Billy Elliot. Cutest thing ever! Hes AQHA and wins like crazy in the hunters from 2'6-3'6 depending on whos riding him.

PNWjumper
Jul. 31, 2009, 05:15 PM
I kind of feel like a party crasher since my pics are a little dated hailing from the 90s, but here's my guy (full QH, not appendix) in a GP in 1993:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2964711180094686761bCPxPV
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2803644310094686761uiFhRt

I got him when I was 12 and he was a barely broke 4 or 5 yo who caught my trainer's eye. Took us a few years to move up, but I ended up riding him in the high AOs and GPs for several years before selling him to go to college. He continued on in the AO Jumpers until he was 19 or 20 (so through maybe 2003). Had an obscenely long back and wasn't very big (barely 16h), but BOY could he jump! :)

He was out of a QH mare named Gypsy's Surprise and by a Smooth Town son, Little Town (halter bred QHs on both sides, though late 70s/early 80s halter horses that were still "useful"). I've kept my eye out for Smooth Town babies ever since. Though part of what made him SO good was the fact that he was a raging A-hole who spent every minute of every day either plotting world domination or figuring out how to save my ass around a BIG course of jumps :D He had a somewhat rough start and I think that (along with a late gelding) contributed greatly to that attitude. I don't think I could ever replicate what he was.

jumpingmaya
Jul. 31, 2009, 05:18 PM
Well she isn't jumping yet but hopefully... HOPEFULLY... she will grow a LOT... so that I don't look like a giant on her...
She has the movement to do great in the hunters.... so hopefully she has the knees to match!
Here she is... at 22 months :winkgrin:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2971822&l=318c61c5c1&id=616012494
And at 26 1/2 months...
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2971823&l=46e654e3e6&id=616012494
Definitely growing a lot in the past couple of weeks :eek:
But she is by far the sanest horse I've ever worked with... (well on the ground that is...not planning on breaking her for another year as she is from the Skippa W line and I've been told they grow late)....
She was a present as a weanling... usually only ride thoroughbreds so this is a first for me...
Keep pics and stories coming... please :)

Arado*TB
Jul. 31, 2009, 05:24 PM
I don't have an AQHA or Appendix but, what really nice pics. TTM what a really nice fellow.

FlashGordon
Jul. 31, 2009, 05:27 PM
Though part of what made him SO good was the fact that he was a raging A-hole who spent every minute of every day either plotting world domination or figuring out how to save my ass around a BIG course of jumps :D


:lol:

My first horse was a little unassuming QH gelding... I got him when he was a teenager and I was 12. He had done rated shows and some AQHA and then did the local stuff with me. He was such a good fellow....

dani0303
Jul. 31, 2009, 05:34 PM
Here is ours. Registered as Smart Gay Trouble and shown as Double Trouble. He's by Grey Gay Bar out of Smart Senorita. I, however, know nothing about QH bloodlines so that means nothing to me.

He's 14.1, 7 and is making his showing debut in the baby greens and childrens ponies.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30500523&l=d4177aa060&id=1495740009
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30500522&l=3a45a04075&id=1495740009

Here's our appendix mare (3/4 QH) but I cannot remember her bloodlines. She's registered as The GM Miracle and shown as Abby Normal. She's my student's childrens jumper
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30500521&l=422d5f7ee8&id=1495740009

Kenike
Jul. 31, 2009, 06:06 PM
http://www.gallopprints.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=216883
This is a family friend's appendix. They bought him out of a field when he was 3. I rode him, then my friend (whose mom owns him) and now her little sister is riding him. He doesn't always get a piece of the hack, but man can he JUMP!

Holy Moses!!

Pirateer
Jul. 31, 2009, 06:12 PM
Thanks guys (and keep them coming!)

My favorite horse ever ridden was a QH that I did in the local medals and lower level jumpers. I'd love to find a clone of him someday :)

RxCate
Jul. 31, 2009, 06:33 PM
I had an awesome Appendix mare, we got her when she was 4 and I was probably 15 (she should now be 15-16) she was only 15.3hh but had scope like no other - I don't remember the dam's name (tb) but her sire was Paige Impressive and on her dam's side she went back to The Minstrel as her great-grandsire - Definite jumper bloodlines - I think at the moment she is doing the hunters still, but jumpers is where her heart is - I did not want to sell her, but I was 18 and living in Brooklyn, NY with my mom doing all care for her. My mom eventually got tired of doing the labor (my mom's had horses all of her life, she just needed a break) and decided to sell her - She went to a great girl in NJ who successfully showed her in the Bit 'O Straw series and she was recently sold to another girl who I am trying to keep track of, but am having difficulty with. I'm 24 now and want to be able to get her back when her career is over or almost over - she was the first horse I bought and trained myself - So without further ado, here is Katy reg 'Blazing The Pages' now being shown under 'Little Miss Chatterbox' :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/PoeticLies/katyjump2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/PoeticLies/CateKatebigjump.jpg
http://www.horsenaround.org/images/catie_carrick42001.JPG

Ignore my EQ in that last one - it took me a while to be able to stay with her HUGE jump, that jump I think was MAX 18" haha it was schooling jumpers when she was just learning -

spmoonie
Jul. 31, 2009, 07:00 PM
Shes not mine, but I show her.
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm158/sarahmoonie/april.jpg
Not totally sure who her parents are, but either her mom or dad is by Rugged Lark I think (not totally sure!) :winkgrin: Shes only 4. The picture is from her 3rd show.

pandasgirl
Jul. 31, 2009, 07:01 PM
I have an appendix by Art I Sweet. Youtube him, they all look very similar. I absolutely LOVE my boy!!!! Big, bold, and beautiful!

Pirateer
Jul. 31, 2009, 07:15 PM
I have an appendix by Art I Sweet. Youtube him, they all look very similar. I absolutely LOVE my boy!!!! Big, bold, and beautiful!

Is that an Indian Artifacts stallion? how do they jump?

Hunter Mom
Jul. 31, 2009, 07:22 PM
We may not show much A circuit, but here is my girl.

http://merrickstudios.morephotos.com/mp_client/pictures.asp?action=viewphotos&size=fullsize&pagenum=7&id=6162469&eventid=41826&imagename=_1NK3681t.jpg
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss56/dbeitz/emmajumpashwood.jpg
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss56/dbeitz/emmaexpo.jpg

Emma (QH name Bugs Dixie Flyer, USEF name Miss Behavin') and I show her in lower divisions, as I am just now getting ready to move up to 3'. She is awesome - totally solid citizen, will pack a little kid around crossrails and then teach me some new things. I am totally unfamiliar with bloodlines, so I am no help there. I do know she's got Bugs Alive in 75 in her background, but that is ALL I know. I'd love to find out more, if anyone knows.

Here is Emma with a little person earlier this month. This little girl had a bad experience at a show a year ago, so this was her first show in a very long time.
http://merrickstudios.morephotos.com/mp_client/pictures.asp?action=viewphotos&size=fullsize&pagenum=8&id=6168039&eventid=41895&imagename=_1NK3189t.jpg

I have really enjoyed this thread – I know that a QH is a real possibility for my next horse! You guys’ photos are wonderful.

Plumcreek
Jul. 31, 2009, 09:01 PM
Here is ours. Registered as Smart Gay Trouble and shown as Double Trouble. He's by Grey Gay Bar out of Smart Senorita. I, however, know nothing about QH bloodlines so that means nothing to me.
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Cow cutting bloodlines.

EqQueen
Jul. 31, 2009, 09:16 PM
http://emob39.photobucket.com/albums/e171/senseoffear32/b-2.jpg

my hunter superstar, full blooded papered qh. He's only 15.1 but he was showing 3ft+ easy and schooled 4ft no problem, huge stride and he's a daisy cutter, straight knees. Squares up so cute over the jumps. He was a 3grand auction find that beats the 100+grand wbs. People are always shocked when they ask and I tell them he's full qh, was a ranch horse actually.

vestito
Jul. 31, 2009, 09:22 PM
16.3 hand packer, always a top hack ribbon. A freak of nature out of and by halter horses


http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=-3&id=1591449267&l=c4664c0d42

vestito
Jul. 31, 2009, 09:24 PM
4 yr old mare by Do You Have A Minute. Really good mover and can jump too. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30308030&l=4893fc2784&id=1591449267

vestito
Jul. 31, 2009, 09:28 PM
my Artful Move gelding that I bred out of a nice Palomino mare by Dimples Kat , this geldings name was Artistically Dun, he always got a good hack prize too. He only reached 15.3 hands and a jr rider showed him to some really good ribbons in the small jr hunter division at HITS in NY one year.
This pic was congress, he was 5th out of ninety something entries that year

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30128496&l=8c72a013d4&id=1591449267

forestergirl99
Jul. 31, 2009, 09:34 PM
This is my guy. He's an Appendix. I got him 3 months ago. He was basically just standing out in a field being wasted. Now he has jumped up to 3ft. He is going to be my 3'6 horse, but he could probably do 4ft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxSwQ8VSrc4

His sire is Blue Phoenix and his dam is Miss Solo Bird.

mypaintwattie
Jul. 31, 2009, 09:56 PM
Here's my barnmate Melissa Doddridge on her horse She's Got The Blue, both of her QH's are world champions but also perform very well on the A circuit.

http://www.aqha.com/bin/t/p/eqoverfences.jpg

Plumcreek
Aug. 1, 2009, 01:09 AM
This is my guy. He's an Appendix. I got him 3 months ago. He was basically just standing out in a field being wasted. Now he has jumped up to 3ft. He is going to be my 3'6 horse, but he could probably do 4ft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxSwQ8VSrc4

His sire is Blue Phoenix and his dam is Miss Solo Bird.


Your video is wonderful! How long did it take you to put that together?

forestergirl99
Aug. 1, 2009, 01:31 AM
Your video is wonderful! How long did it take you to put that together?

Thank you! This took me like 3 days. I worked on it a few hour each day.

Sidneyland
Aug. 1, 2009, 08:15 AM
I think he is something special. Bought as a green 3 year old, has been doing the 3ft division since he was 4 at QH shows and now just A shows. He is 18(!) now and still going strong, Has seen me through 3 children and has been all over the country. He is an appendix by Degenerate Jon (TB racehorse) out of a WP QH mare.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/album.php?id=1047990560&aid=2005033

thebp
Aug. 1, 2009, 08:29 AM
This is my baby....Last Detail gelding o/o TB mare. 1998 17hh Appendix

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n93/TBTELLY/757254899_l.jpg?t=1249129602

'04 was our best year being Res. Ch HUS @ Yth Wrlds....now we can't get him sound and he is a pasture pony...:cry:

Still an amazing boy with a big heart and would not trade him for nothing!

TesignedInGold
Aug. 1, 2009, 08:31 AM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=33020156&l=04a80a207f&id=26805097

Full-Blooded YELLOW QH by Tesigned and Miss Magic Review. Packer, with auto changes, GREAT jump, and a bbeautiful canter. Not a hack winner (not the greatest trot), but he typically does pin. He's 12....jumped his first jump ever at 9 years old. Until the age of 9, he was showing in Palomino Halter classes.

Now I can toss a monkey on his back and he will carry them safely. Enjoys jumping, and has got a hell of scope and a hell of a jump. Right now he's doing the 2'6...plan on moving him up to the 3' by next summer. Might not be super competitive at the Huge rated shows, but he's gotten ribbons in the Local A, and AA Shows.

I am biased though....I adore that horse..so maybe he's only that great and cute to me!

Plumcreek
Aug. 1, 2009, 12:35 PM
Don't be amazed that halter bred horses can perform over fences. If their brain and feet are OK, the more modern, shorter backed halter horses, due to their higher neck set, do have a more open shoulder than WP bred horses, and they definately have a strong rear end propulsion unit.

A previous poster mentioned Smooth Town, a halter horse that sired many good english horses.

Wish I could post my photos - need to get the show photos scanned.

NMB
Aug. 1, 2009, 01:29 PM
This is the love of my life (except my husband of course) who is now retired. He's been there done that and I feel so lucky to have had the priviledge to show him. He's by Dakota Te out of a tb mare Tullamore Dew.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/album.php?aid=10120&id=727097075

This is his replacement so to speak, By Larks First Buck out of a QH mare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0g-c_U8nKo

two sticks
Aug. 1, 2009, 08:18 PM
My first appendix gelding was the coolest horse i've ever owned - he was a western pleasure reject by barpassers image

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/srs2712/horses/after.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/srs2712/horses/jump.jpg

I totally regretted selling him so when i found this barpassers image granddaughter I had to have her... both of these horses were so so easy and good movers and jumpers! I love the barpasser line!

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/srs2712/Music/2639_1063918231752_1039860246_30250.jpg

BigDreams07
Aug. 1, 2009, 08:56 PM
This is my 14.1 Quarter Horse pony. We do large childrens pony and eq, field hunters and hopefully some low jumpers!!

http://i28.tinypic.com/jjagaq.jpg

Beau

Outfxed
Aug. 2, 2009, 07:28 AM
I know the OP said "A circuit" and my guy is never going to come close to a show ring since I am gearing him towards foxhunting, but I am SO in love with this horse's mind. Fabulous work ethic, fabulous mover, and a very sweet personality inspite of the fact he was a breeding stallion until last year. He was originally broke to cut cattle and rope. Gotta LOVE a cowboy broke horse! Registered name Hancock's Country Boy......:dead:.....by Cat Blue Flash out of TW Hancock 200. Since he was born in Oklahoma, I call him Tulsa.

www.artistichandstudio.com/tulsajune2.jpg (http://www.artistichandstudio.com/tulsajune2.jpg)

Painted Wings
Aug. 2, 2009, 08:05 AM
Knowtorious Son is an Appendix stallion showing jumpers on the A circuit.

http://www.freshstartfarm.com/id1.html

Don't know if these links will work but photos from an A show in Texas

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=33245652&id=51801252#/photo.php?pid=33245655&id=51801252

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=33245652&id=51801252#/photo.php?pid=33245656&id=51801252

I had a couple of his half brothers, same sire, out of a paint mare. They were great jumpers too.

ponyxjd
Aug. 2, 2009, 12:53 PM
This is my 15.1 mutt, probably an appendix. Bought her as a foxhunter. She events too! Catalina (http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk189/tyedyeme/Lena/Picture_984152034.png)

Vandy
Aug. 2, 2009, 01:39 PM
holy moley, vandy, is that you riding? LOVELY equitation...you should send that pic to PH. :-)

Nice horse. I like the way he's using his neck over that fence.Thanks for your kind words! The rider is actually one of my students - I'm an old fat lady :lol:

What I love about this horse is that he can do a 3' course with this rider and turn around and babysit the medium stirrup kid who leases him. Jumps from anywhere, easiest auto changes ever, and one of the sweetest horses on the ground I've ever known :)

Plumcreek
Aug. 2, 2009, 02:21 PM
Thanks for your kind words! The rider is actually one of my students - I'm an old fat lady :lol:

What I love about this horse is that he can do a 3' course with this rider and turn around and babysit the medium stirrup kid who leases him. Jumps from anywhere, easiest auto changes ever, and one of the sweetest horses on the ground I've ever known :)

Gosh, can you get a good junior rider hooked up with this horse for the QH Youth World next year? Close for you.

BTW, the QH Yourh World O/F prelims are:
THURSDAY
AUGUST 6
8 a.m. (central time)

PRELIMS
Equitation Over Fences
Working Hunter
Jumping


Actually, working cowhorse is on liive feed right now.

http://www.horseshowwebcasts.com/shows/2009/25209/

Sing Mia Song
Aug. 2, 2009, 02:24 PM
This is an old picture, but here's my junior hunter, the original Sing Mia Song. This picture is at Eastern States in 1986. She was third in Zone 1 two years in a row and I did the Medal finals on her as well.

Roxanne (http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1503266372056859762qjXqmw?vhost=pets)

From what I gather, she had been a reining horse with a fabulous jump and, needless to say, an auto change. I can't tell you how many Medal classes I lost because I just couldn't hold the counter canter!

Her pedigree. (http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/stringalong+bess)

ERollison
Aug. 2, 2009, 05:32 PM
Okay, so these pics are fairly old, like in my short stirrup and children's hunter days. Please ignore the equitation, I did get better.

My short stirrup pony, reg AQHA, Beaus Dixieflower. By Beau Flower out of Leo's Georgie Girl.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q2/cowgirlnclemson/DixiePSJ.jpg

My other short stirrup mount, reg Appendix AQHA, Pleasure Cruise.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q2/cowgirlnclemson/PleasureCruise.jpg

My children's hunter mare, 1989 reg Appendix AQHA, Rest My Case. She is by a superior halter and western pleasure horse Cas Bar Beaver out of champion hunter mare Restless Countess. Casey is still standing in my pasture at home retired.

our first show together
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q2/cowgirlnclemson/CaseyPSJ.jpg

4-H Regional Championships in Lexington, VA
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q2/cowgirlnclemson/CaseyRegionals.jpg

My 5 year old up and coming home bred. AQHA reg Shakin The Southland. By Zippos Hot Wheels out of Mor Express. He is just getting started over fences and will be trying the pre green's soon (hopefully). Sorry he is a little bleached due to the South TX sun! Ugh, bummer.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q2/cowgirlnclemson/P7241476-1.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q2/cowgirlnclemson/P9140936.jpg

There have been a lot more AQHA hunters I have shown, I just don't have pics or can't find pics.

Vandy
Aug. 2, 2009, 05:38 PM
Gosh, can you get a good junior rider hooked up with this horse for the QH Youth World next year? Close for you.

I'd love to do just that (this is the same horse I PM'd you re: showing AQHA a while back). However, I am the owner and it seems that the youth must own the horse to do any youth classes (vs open), is that correct? Maybe it's just me, but I find the AQHA rulebook downright confusing!

Plumcreek
Aug. 2, 2009, 06:00 PM
However, I am the owner and it seems that the youth must own the horse to do any youth classes (vs open), is that correct? Maybe it's just me, but I find the AQHA rulebook downright confusing!

OK, did a search. Your student can lease and show the horse, (and, suprisingly, you could show it in other divisions at same show) but the catch is that they can only show in novice youth classes. Since almost no Western US shows have novice youth O/F classes, that is a problem, and I would bet the farm they cannot show in the Youth World on a leased horse, since there are no classes for novices. Bummer. However, maybe the Scottsdale February Sun Circuit has novice youth O/F classes?? They have nice green horse divisions and really nice prizes.
http://americashorsedaily.com/leasing-a-horse/

Czar
Aug. 2, 2009, 06:08 PM
My first horse and also my namesake:

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2039110680097913210Uhczzu

My second Appendix (I started him and showed him training hunters & then my sister took over...this is her on him):

http://www.facebook.com/photo_search.php?page=45&oid=41964466261&aid=-1&auser=&view=all#/photo.php?pid=29399&id=512544786

Another Appendix I started for my sister:

http://www.facebook.com/photo_search.php?page=45&oid=41964466261&aid=-1&auser=&view=all#/photo.php?pid=29396&id=512544786

And not a glamorous shot but this horse we found at a local auction - he had just been gelded and was full QH on both sides - turned out to be REALLY nice, lovely mover and super cute jump (sadly this is the only photo I have of him):

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2992179000097913210poUJAM

Sparky
Aug. 2, 2009, 08:02 PM
We are in the car, almost in OKC, as Im checking this thread, and Lainie just informed me that leased horses cannot be shown at either the Youth World or Congress. That's unofficial of course but she did try to have a kid lease one at Congress last year and it was denied.

Plumcreek
Aug. 2, 2009, 08:24 PM
We are in the car, almost in OKC, as Im checking this thread, and Lainie just informed me that leased horses cannot be shown at either the Youth World or Congress. That's unofficial of course but she did try to have a kid lease one at Congress last year and it was denied.

At least part of Congress is an AQHA approved show and offers AQHA novice classes so that must be a special rule just for Congress?

Sparky
Aug. 2, 2009, 08:47 PM
One of the trainers called about it last year and was given an explanation by someone at AQHA. I'll ask him about it tomorrow.

Kaelurus
Aug. 2, 2009, 09:12 PM
Google Whatazan and Kylee Jo Johnson. They did the grand prixs in the late '90s and had some big wins at NAJYRCs.

Zan is a registered QH (Whata Magic x Skipster Cherie), bred for cutting, if I remember correctly. VERY cool little horse! :cool:

Whata Magic stands at UF, and has been known (since Zan) to throw some pretty talented hunter/jumpers.

Vandy
Aug. 2, 2009, 10:38 PM
OK, did a search. Your student can lease and show the horse, (and, suprisingly, you could show it in other divisions at same show) but the catch is that they can only show in novice youth classes. Yes, this is what we were told by the secretary at the AQHA show we did, but the catch was, horse could only be shown in novice youth. It looked from the rulebook that we could have done Open Hunters with a non-owner junior rider, which was what we'd planned, but the show secretary told us they were only eligible for Novice Youth. Apparently a Novice Youth non-owner or leaser can do up to five shows on a "permit" in that division. There are actually Novice Youth Over Fences classes at the Albuquerque shows - we were worried it wouldn't fill, but surprisingly, there were I believe 12 kids in the division.

Plumcreek
Aug. 2, 2009, 10:47 PM
There are actually Novice Youth Over Fences classes at the Albuquerque shows - we were worried it wouldn't fill, but surprisingly, there were I believe 12 kids in the division.

I am floored!! Never happen up here.
The 'permit' is to show a horse you are thinking of buying, so only 5 shows.
The link I posted says: The lease can be up to 3 years. The lease must be on file for a minimum of six months. If a show lease is terminated before the six-month period ends, there is no penalty (is penalty for breeding lease).
A family member of a lessee may also exhibit the horse in a novice class, so long as they are immediate family members as stated in rules 403(a)(5) and 404(a).

naters
Aug. 2, 2009, 11:36 PM
Don't be amazed that halter bred horses can perform over fences. If their brain and feet are OK, the more modern, shorter backed halter horses, due to their higher neck set, do have a more open shoulder than WP bred horses, and they definately have a strong rear end propulsion unit.

A previous poster mentioned Smooth Town, a halter horse that sired many good english horses.

Wish I could post my photos - need to get the show photos scanned.



And to think that I spent the last five years at a HJ barn, and they kept telling me that my horse wasn't on the priority list for training rides, and I really didn't need to waste my money on lessons, because QH's just don't do well in the hunter ring....

Sigh.

Any good instructors in NC that want to teach a 14 year old halter bred QH to jump?

:)

2bayboys
Aug. 3, 2009, 09:51 AM
Here's one I bred out of a TB mare by a QH stallion called Diamond Mine, that stood at Warioto in the 90's.

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2078155720100462194mrhlkQ

He turned out to be a very nice 3' horse.

tx3dayeventer
Aug. 3, 2009, 12:00 PM
Here is a blurry pic (they were pulled from a video) from an AQHA show in June. We did the Amateur Jumping.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=39346985&l=7750f17060&id=29605780
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=39346782&l=407b5777b3&id=29605780

This pic was over a 3'6" jump in the jump-off.

Her name is Miss Bunny Express out of Dash for Cash and more racing lines. She is 100% AQHA, she has her white papers :D. She actually raced in Louisiana at Louisiana Downs. I was trying to qualify for AQHA Worlds, and will try for next year. The show in June was my first AQHA show so I didnt realize the cutoff to qualify was July 31st. Next year! :D

3'6" is nothing for this mare. She is only 15.2H (on a tall day :cool:). I am now hoping to compete Novice in eventing and do some 3'6" Jumpers.

I loff my mare :D

EAY
Aug. 3, 2009, 12:57 PM
This was my mom's appendix. She wasn't the fanciest and she was only 15.2 but she had nice movement and the best attitude. She was a great children's hunter because she had a nice jump and always went around with a kind expression. In the first picture I'm about 11 years old and I think she is five. I didn't show her much because I was focused on my pony, who I showed in the regular larges, and we couldn't afford to campaign two. But she was a lot of fun and the judges liked her, in spite of her big head and lack of chrome, and I regret not doing more with her.

http://img36.imageshack.us/i/friendc.jpg/

http://img36.imageshack.us/i/friend3.jpg/

Midge
Aug. 3, 2009, 02:26 PM
Rudy at WEF

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/NanHenson/th_rudyWCHR.jpg (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/NanHenson/rudyWCHR.jpg)

Raleigh

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/NanHenson/th_RudyRust.jpg (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/NanHenson/RudyRust.jpg)

Kentucky

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/NanHenson/th_RudyKy.jpg (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/NanHenson/RudyKy.jpg)

Capitol Challenge

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/NanHenson/th_RudyCC.jpg (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/NanHenson/RudyCC.jpg)

findeight
Aug. 3, 2009, 02:37 PM
... she had been a reining horse with a fabulous jump and, needless to say, an auto change. I can't tell you how many Medal classes I lost because I just couldn't hold the counter canter!

Her pedigree. (http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/stringalong+bess)

Holy sh*t Mia, you got one one that pedigree called DeWitt Bar? I owned Dewitt Bar Junior...showed as Junior Bonner on the old AHSA circuit out west. Name fit if you ever saw that movie. Small world.

That one has alot of Three Bars on all sides, no accident she was a good performer.

zedcadjna
Aug. 3, 2009, 07:00 PM
Ugh I'm so 'JEALOUS' of you all!!! I have a 'ArtISweet' mare dam is 'HonestEndeavor' I wish my mare would come along, 17.1 5yrs old looks just like daddy and grand daddy!!! She is just a hard case!!!!! Does anyone know who Honest Endeavor was I can't find out anything, was told she was a great hunter, but cannot find out anything....

woops
Aug. 3, 2009, 08:06 PM
He is 9 and doing adult jumpers
Had him since he was 3 and hoping to move up to Low A/o
http://equisvideo.com/winnerscircle/index36.html

eyesontheground
Aug. 3, 2009, 10:59 PM
Google Whatazan and Kylee Jo Johnson. They did the grand prixs in the late '90s and had some big wins at NAJYRCs.

Zan is a registered QH (Whata Magic x Skipster Cherie), bred for cutting, if I remember correctly. VERY cool little horse! :cool:

Whata Magic stands at UF, and has been known (since Zan) to throw some pretty talented hunter/jumpers.

Several years ago at the UF Sealed Bid Sale there was a super fancy gray Magic baby who I thought would be one heckuva hunter. He was only 2 at the time but he had the moves. I would love to see him over fences.

I have a friend with a Magic baby who is super cool. Great personality. Good jump. I don't know if he would do so well in the hack. We will never know because she is riding him in dressage now and is tentatively planning on eventing him. I think he could take her as far as she wanted to go in eventing.

Gil's Girl
Aug. 4, 2009, 10:35 AM
My boy is sadly retired due to a chronic nagging injury, but he's gorgeous, A circuit quality, was reserve baby green champion in Tucson at his very first outing, will get a piece of the hack in good company, and is registered quarter horse - he's at least 5/8 TB in his bloodlines, and his QH lines are all racing or old time working ranch horses. He came off an indian reservation! He looks like a TB/WB, has a gorgeous big canter and jumps much better than he likes to let on - he was at his best over 3'6. He's much swingier and bigger strided than what i think of as quarter horsey, but he has a muscular shoulder and low tail set that gives in away a bit. But his mind is incredible - too smart to be entirely easy, but so sensible and logical.

A once in a lifetime horse, wish I had his full brother but I think he was a fluke!

LSM1212
Aug. 4, 2009, 10:54 AM
Sire is Artful Move. Dam is Debra's Preview.

Though we'll never show anything rated... I still think he's fabulous!

This is us playing "Eventer Pony"... I like to do Hunters w/ him along w/ some eventing. :D

http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-18-08-FC-School/IMG_1948
http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-18-08-FC-School/IMG_2040
http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-18-08-FC-School/IMG_2070

His AQHA days before I bought him:

http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/Stitch-Misc/AQHA_Pic

Just hacking around:

http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/November-2007/IMG_1363

jumpingmaya
Aug. 4, 2009, 11:17 AM
Sire is Artful Move. Dam is Debra's Preview.

Though we'll never show anything rated... I still think he's fabulous!

This is us playing "Eventer Pony"... I like to do Hunters w/ him along w/ some eventing. :D

http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-18-08-FC-School/IMG_1948
http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-18-08-FC-School/IMG_2040
http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/10-18-08-FC-School/IMG_2070

His AQHA days before I bought him:

http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/Stitch-Misc/AQHA_Pic

Just hacking around:

http://kentuckyrider.com/Gallery/November-2007/IMG_1363

He looks like a much happier pony now then the before pics :yes:
Such a kind eye on your pretty boy!!

Sing Mia Song
Aug. 4, 2009, 11:57 AM
Holy sh*t Mia, you got one one that pedigree called DeWitt Bar? I owned Dewitt Bar Junior...showed as Junior Bonner on the old AHSA circuit out west. Name fit if you ever saw that movie. Small world.

That one has alot of Three Bars on all sides, no accident she was a good performer.

Thanks, F8, she was one in a million! She looked like a big overgrown pony, but she had the stride and the jump. She had her quirks (claustrophobic, only did well indoors if it was a coliseum, had to have a double stall on the van, wouldn't crosstie or lead by her halter) but if you followed her routine she was good as gold.

HuntrJumpr
Aug. 4, 2009, 11:58 AM
Not mine, but a trainer in the upper Midwest:

http://www.equinechronicle.com/Features/gilmer_09/gilmerDEBOER509.html

And one of her horses showing in FL:

http://www.dreamfieldstables.com/images/latestnews/2009/AlottaLuck_Florida09_round.jpg

I've seen on of her riders show her QH @ Mason City, etc in the 3'6" as well - wish I had pictures.

juliet
Aug. 4, 2009, 12:18 PM
Tally is a really nice hunter jumper stallion in Hood River Oregon--see pics below.

http://www.heritagesporthorses.com/tallyho_napur.htm


He is a son of the late Napur and he has the best personality.

Parrotnutz
Aug. 4, 2009, 12:50 PM
in my webshots album...last picture on page 2 and first picture page 3 is my once in a lifetime horse <now deceased> doing hunters at Middlesex A Horse Show when they had an outside course <yes I am old> He could win over fences in a field of 50 at an A show and did. I did not have the $$$ to do first years and I enjoyed riding him, so he never did. He was also 3rd in hunter hack on AQHA in 1988 and 10th working hunter in US.

The bay and the grey in webshots are my present appendix horses.

NMB
Aug. 4, 2009, 02:46 PM
Not mine, but a trainer in the upper Midwest:

http://www.equinechronicle.com/Features/gilmer_09/gilmerDEBOER509.html

And one of her horses showing in FL:

http://www.dreamfieldstables.com/images/latestnews/2009/AlottaLuck_Florida09_round.jpg

I've seen on of her riders show her QH @ Mason City, etc in the 3'6" as well - wish I had pictures.

That would be Sparky's very talented daugher.

findeight
Aug. 4, 2009, 03:00 PM
So, how many do we have here doing 3'6"-Junior, A/O or the First Year Green Hunters at A shows, or the 3'6" EQ at the A shows- meaning USEF A rated?

I thought that was what the OP asked, 3'6" hunters and Eq at the USEF A rateds.

I am seeing a handful amid some Childrens/Adults (always C rated) and lower unrated, some local stuff, some that don't really show at all and some of the names thrown out don't turn up on a search of USEF records. Plus a couple in the big Jumpers. All nice horses but not 3'6" at the A shows.

Now, I love QHs, have owned QHs and was introduced to jumping by a 24 year old former (then) AHSA Junior Hunter so I know they are out there. Don't get me wrong...but show me some more 3'6"+ USEF "A" Open, Green, Junior or A/O Hunters and Eq.

jumpingmaya
Aug. 4, 2009, 03:04 PM
So, how many do we have here doing 3'6"-Junior, A/O or the First Year Green Hunters at A shows, meaning USEF A rated?

I thought that was what the OP asked, 3'6" at the USEF A rateds.

I am seeing a handful amid some Childrens/Adults (always C rated) and lower unrated and some of the names thrown out don't turn up on a search of USEF records.

Now, I love QHs, have owned QHs and was introduced to jumping by a 24 year old former then AHSA JUnior Hunter so I know they are out there.

Good point... sorry got carried away posting pics of my 2 year old.... :rolleyes:
But this has been inspirational... wasn't sure what I was going to do with her so it's been nice seeing pics of them being competitive :yes:

ERollison
Aug. 4, 2009, 03:08 PM
Not mine, but a trainer in the upper Midwest:

http://www.equinechronicle.com/Features/gilmer_09/gilmerDEBOER509.html

And one of her horses showing in FL:

http://www.dreamfieldstables.com/images/latestnews/2009/AlottaLuck_Florida09_round.jpg

I've seen on of her riders show her QH @ Mason City, etc in the 3'6" as well - wish I had pictures.

Lanie is a GREAT trainer as well as a very nice person. We had one of her yearlings boarded at the barn I used to manage here in TX.

findeight
Aug. 4, 2009, 03:12 PM
Good point... sorry got carried away posting pics of my 2 year old.... :rolleyes:
But this has been inspirational... wasn't sure what I was going to do with her so it's been nice seeing pics of them being competitive :yes:

That's Ok, we luv 'em all even if they don't go out on the circuit.

Still, am seeing alot of what I would call VERY friendly 3' and under jumping pictures here. VERY nice horses and some at recognizable venues. But not 3'6".

Sparky
Aug. 4, 2009, 03:13 PM
The two we currently have showing at 3'6" are recorded in the USEF as Wichita (1st Year Green Conformation) and Love Story (Large Jr) . The only other one that immediately comes to mind is Conundrum ( CA in the Older Smalls)
edited to add: Blue Illusions did the 1st Years in Ocala this winter.

findeight
Aug. 4, 2009, 03:22 PM
The two we currently have showing at 3'6" are recorded in the USEF as Wichita (1st Year Green Conformation) and Love Story (Large Jr) . The only other one that immediately comes to mind is Conundrum ( CA in the Older Smalls)
edited to add: Blue Illusions did the 1st Years in Ocala this winter.

Thank you. Any more out there?

dauntless
Aug. 4, 2009, 03:33 PM
http://www.gallopprints.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=216883
This is a family friend's appendix. They bought him out of a field when he was 3. I rode him, then my friend (whose mom owns him) and now her little sister is riding him. He doesn't always get a piece of the hack, but man can he JUMP!

Usually when people say stuff like that, I think ya ya whatevs ;)

But you weren't kidding! Wow.

woops
Aug. 4, 2009, 04:12 PM
I saw 3'6 and went from their-- We are actually doing more of the level 4's than 3 or whatever meter that is - 1.15 maybe??

KristieBee
Aug. 4, 2009, 04:26 PM
I think he is something special. Bought as a green 3 year old, has been doing the 3ft division since he was 4 at QH shows and now just A shows. He is 18(!) now and still going strong, Has seen me through 3 children and has been all over the country. He is an appendix by Degenerate Jon (TB racehorse) out of a WP QH mare.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/album.php?id=1047990560&aid=2005033

i can't tell you how much i enjoyed all your pictures. he's stunning and you two are an inspiring team! great great pix, thank you.

LSM1212
Aug. 4, 2009, 04:33 PM
He looks like a much happier pony now then the before pics :yes:
Such a kind eye on your pretty boy!!

Thank you... I hope he's much happier. Seems to be!


So, how many do we have here doing 3'6"-Junior, A/O or the First Year Green Hunters at A shows, or the 3'6" EQ at the A shows- meaning USEF A rated?

I thought that was what the OP asked, 3'6" hunters and Eq at the USEF A rateds.

I am seeing a handful amid some Childrens/Adults (always C rated) and lower unrated, some local stuff, some that don't really show at all and some of the names thrown out don't turn up on a search of USEF records. Plus a couple in the big Jumpers. All nice horses but not 3'6" at the A shows.

Now, I love QHs, have owned QHs and was introduced to jumping by a 24 year old former (then) AHSA Junior Hunter so I know they are out there. Don't get me wrong...but show me some more 3'6"+ USEF "A" Open, Green, Junior or A/O Hunters and Eq.

Sorry.... guess I should have posted that my intention w/ this guy was to do the rated shows. My goal was the A/A division. But I know he could have done the A/O. He was competing at 3' - 3'3 when I bought him as a 6 yo. And was doing it well.

But things change.... life changes. And rated shows just aren't in my budget.

tx3dayeventer
Aug. 4, 2009, 04:48 PM
I saw 3'6 and went from their-- We are actually doing more of the level 4's than 3 or whatever meter that is - 1.15 maybe??

Me too. I saw 3'6" and Assumed (seem to be doing alot of that today) Jumpers.

My AQHA mare is doing 3'6" Jumpers.

Long Shadow Farm
Aug. 4, 2009, 05:03 PM
Like I said, my guy will be moving up in Dec. We have such a strong schooling/unrated circuit down here that I haven't shown him much on the rated Circuit. Plus he has been showing in the QHs. But he will be doing the 1st year Greens and A/Os come Dec. (Can you tell I am excited?:?)

NMB
Aug. 4, 2009, 05:32 PM
I appologize my horse hasn't done the 3'6" USAE/AHSA, we had definate plans to at one point, but the issue of to much wear and tear doing both came up and we had to choose so we chose AQHA.

Parrotnutz
Aug. 4, 2009, 05:40 PM
That's Ok, we luv 'em all even if they don't go out on the circuit.

Still, am seeing alot of what I would call VERY friendly 3' and under jumping pictures here. VERY nice horses and some at recognizable venues. But not 3'6".


Roy, my chestnut, did the 3'6" but I withdrew him because I realized I could not afford to compaign him through the year. It is my finances, not his scope, that kept him from continuing. He did 3" to 3'3" hunter classes because they were less expensive and I was an A/A

My mare has the scope, if that is what you are asking, and again....it is my finances and the economy that keeps her from going there.

PS: the title only says...want to see your A circuit hunter, not 3'6" horse....picky picky, I know <wink>
I think many of the appendixes could go there, but how many have the actual $$$$ to go there is more the problem.

My grey youngster, I believe, will also have the scope. Is there anyone out there who wants to campaign one of mine at their expense?? LOL. They would have to stay near me....but.....would love to have one do the first years or a 3'6" division. :winkgrin:

Got the horses, don't have the income.....How many here do??

Sidneyland
Aug. 4, 2009, 06:27 PM
But I have no mileage in that ring and he has lasted so long as a 3 foot horse that I have no complaints. I think the added footage in the lines and an inaccurate ride would have eventually caught up with us. Sometimes we still joke about breaking his first year status in the last years of his life!

Horseshowaddict
Aug. 4, 2009, 07:45 PM
The one I had easily has the stride and the scope to do the 3'6, he just turned 7 this year, and only "learned" how to jump last year though. Plus, don't the Sr, and Open AQHA horses have to do 3'6? The ones in the top 10 at the big AQHA shows could easily pin at an A show with the rounds that Ive seen.

findeight
Aug. 4, 2009, 08:00 PM
Plus, don't the Sr, and Open AQHA horses have to do 3'6? The ones in the top 10 at the big AQHA shows could easily pin at an A show with the rounds that Ive seen.

But do they often pin in large numbers at the USEF Open shows? Does anybody except a few show them there at 3'6"?

Remember only 3'6" and above IS actually USEF A rated. 3' is always C rated, even at an A show (and I am guilty of saying A when I did show the 3' Adults). So if you ask about A rated Hunters, you are properly talking 3'6"+.

And, you know, I've been to Worlds years back and Congress recently, like last year. There is three six high and wide and there is THREE SIX HIGH AND WIDE, if you get my meaning. Congress and Worlds were a "friendly" three six and the lines less then a solid 13' in the Hunters, with few in the class.

Again, not knocking the breed, just looking for examples of those actually doing A rated divisions at USEF A rated shows.

RohanLtd
Aug. 4, 2009, 08:11 PM
I have a 5-year-old AQHA Appendix mare who is untested at the rated shows so far due to the fact that she's presently doing a different job. I hope to show her as a pre-green next year at some rated shows. She's not a spectacular mover, but is gorgeous to look at (if I do say myself) and has a really good, athletic jump. She's scary powerful and quick if you want, and soft and loopy if you want. She has plenty of jump and plenty of step. She is very slow-growing but mentally very mature for her age.

She is by Ima Soul Mate (Race Filler TB x Soul Kiss QH) out of Stunning Idea (Axen now TB x Best Idea QH). Ima Soul Mate was shown AQHA and USEF by the Carrels of Colts Unlimited in Wyoming. They cross horses over between the two (AQHA/USEF) all the time.

My guess is that my mare will have the scope for the 3'6", assuming I can set aside the time to get us the mileage we need to be able to do that and not just be wasting money.

I grew up on Appendix horses, and have always loved them. They might not hold up in top company against expensive stuff from Europe, but with that WAY out of my price range, I'm really happy with my Appendix horses. Pretty, quiet, versatile, fancy "enough" and affordable. Right up my alley.

See her here (Daisy). The photo of her jumping is her first time jumping in public after having cantered her first jumps earlier in the week!

http://www.kathleenlindley.com/The%20Horses.htm

K

Vandy
Aug. 4, 2009, 08:23 PM
The horse I posted the photo of is going to be a small junior hunter someday...but he's only 6 and has only been jumping for a year, so he's still doing the 3' :) I guess I'll revive this thread next year when I have some photos of him doing that ;)

I did show an Appendix many years ago in the Junior Jumpers - I will see if I can dig up a photo of him too. He was only about 15hh and could jump from anywhere. He went on to be a very competitive children's jumper for many years on the A circuit.

NMB
Aug. 4, 2009, 08:46 PM
The Congress and World Show may have dropped the jump heights in recent years, but in years gone by at least at the Congress, the Hunter Classic was a solid 3'6", and I mean solid.

tuckawayfarm
Aug. 4, 2009, 08:51 PM
I think our little 15.2 App. QH did some Regular Working Hunter classes. I tried to verify that, but it would have been in 2002-2003 and the online records only go back to 2005. He showed mainly in the Jr/AO and some GP jumpers, but had plenty of step for the hunters. He was race bred, but never made it to the track. He didn't look at all like a TB.

Plumcreek
Aug. 4, 2009, 09:25 PM
I have a 5-year-old AQHA Appendix mare ...
She is by Ima Soul Mate (Race Filler TB x Soul Kiss QH) out of Stunning Idea (Axen now TB x Best Idea QH). Ima Soul Mate was shown AQHA and USEF by the Carrels of Colts Unlimited in Wyoming. They cross horses over between the two (AQHA/USEF) all the time.

http://www.kathleenlindley.com/The%20Horses.htm

K

Here is Hilary Carrel on Ima Soul Mate in jumpers at the AQHA World Show.
http://www.huntseathorses.com/view_image.php?id=2201


.

findeight
Aug. 4, 2009, 09:48 PM
BTW, that Appendix gelding I had was registered as Chips None by Nashua Chips(TB) by Nashua (very successul TB) who was by Nasharco or Nearcos-and that is probably the greatest using line in Jumping and Eventing.

Bottom side was a mare by Leo and I cannot recall the rest. Been, like, 14 years since I had that one.

He raced then was shown as Heaven Bound in the Open Jumpers back in the late 70s down around Oklahoma. Showed the Juniors as The Caretaker around the late 80s or early 90s.

Some have mentioned Rugged Lark? Leo bred on top, like my Appendix. I hot walked his mother, Alisa Lark, for Harold Farren about a million years ago-she was a little weird but quite striking. Talk about an overstep, wow.

When crossed with a TB, she got Rugged Lark. I guess my point is the good QHs that can handle a jump at 3'6" are predominently TB? It may not show close up but, when you follow most branches of the family tree back and find they lead to the Jockey Club 30 years or so back?

Horseshowaddict
Aug. 5, 2009, 01:02 PM
Yup, but the thread says appendix horses too, so yay we get to include the 7/8 tb horses as well. Oh yeah, I forgot, my first horse was a freaking beautiful little guy, 1/2 tb, and had Three Bars back in his QH side. I couldnt afford to do the circuit with him, but his previous people did occasionally. He was racing bred. Moved very well, and jumped quite nicely too, no problem with the stride, and he cleaned up in the Pre-greens, and childrens hunters back in the day. And also dabbled in the small juniors before I got him. Sadly he is no longer with us, but what an amazing horse.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&horse=HE+IS+OUR+TICKET&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=

(very nerdy 4-H picture, but one of the few I actually have of him)
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1281109366065433775FhuFkl

imnotclever
Aug. 5, 2009, 02:39 PM
My horse showed successfully in the a/a and a/o hunters in California. I just found out last night that he has 100 AQHA points from showing prior to age 6.

I adopted him from a horse rescue earlier this year, so I only have a few pictures of him. (I only have these pictures thanks to the power of COTH and the people who contacted me and identified him)

Here's a couple from when he was 6...

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-3/1337379/Cropped%20-%20Humphrey%20in%201999%20-%20Pebble%20Beach.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-3/1337379/cow%20palace%201999.JPG

He is an appendix by Answer to Music out of Im Steppin Out. His name was Steppin to Music on the quarter horse circuit and Full Sail on the hunter circuits.

He's 16 now and does the ultimate job carting my behind around now. I would seriously clone him if I could. He's the most amazing horse I've ever known.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-3/1337379/Humphrey%208.2.09.jpg

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-3/1337379/5.25.09%203.jpg

PS - if anyone else happens to have pictures of him from when he was younger - I'm making a scrap book :)

Hunter Mom
Aug. 5, 2009, 03:00 PM
Here's a friend's QH jumper. I'm not sure what Willie's AQHA name is, but he's awesome. I wish I was ready for a "real" jumper - he's so fun!

http://www.photostockplus.com/home.php?user_id=11982&tmpl=31&event=201019&action=viewphoto&photo_id=13152517&album_id=236322&pcount=45

ETA - she does show him on the A circuit, and does quite well! This was his first rated show in a long time, but he's brought home a lot of tricolors this year.

jhg140
Aug. 5, 2009, 10:04 PM
I leased an Appendix recently and showed him in the adults - jumped a 10 at every jump, if I could find the jump :)

http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/orderpage.aspx?pi=09IK00CS8G0011&po=11

Horseshowaddict
Aug. 5, 2009, 10:31 PM
An Absolut baby comes to mind. Absolut Mocha. Here is a picture and description from the owner's webpage.

http://www.khakirun.com/virginiageorge.jpeg http://www.morningshadowsfarm.com/images/mocha.jpg
"George" AKA Absolut' Mocha was Zone III and NCHJA Pre Green Champion in 2003, NCHJA and 10th in the country Green Conformation Hunter in 2004.

TryMyRules
Aug. 5, 2009, 10:37 PM
My namesake, Try My Rules was not an "A" circuit horse, but we did dabble. Couldn't do A's 'cause lack of funds! We did show successfully in the local C/B circuit in the Children's Hunter classes though. Bought him when he was going on 12 and had jumped no higher then 18" a few times in his life and was a certified peanut roller. Was popping around 3' courses the following summer. :) He's a reg'd Appendix by Born to Rule out of Dimples Too. (Here is his pedigree (http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/try+my+rules) for those interested...means nothing to me. The only names I recognize are "War Admiral", "Go Man Go" and "Three Bars")
He is no longer mine, and now belongs to a young girl and her mother who do Modified Children's and Long Stirrup once in a while.
Fieldstone (http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v160/231/88/1487760023/n1487760023_30076191_372.jpg)
Schooling at home (http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v160/231/88/1487760023/n1487760023_30076194_1149.jpg)
Local show (http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs035.snc1/4326_1067336052125_1487760023_30240807_7614211_n.j pg)

Plumcreek
Aug. 6, 2009, 02:14 AM
An Absolut baby comes to mind. Absolut Mocha. Here is a picture and description from the owner's webpage.

http://www.khakirun.com/virginiageorge.jpeg http://www.morningshadowsfarm.com/images/mocha.jpg
"George" AKA Absolut' Mocha was Zone III and NCHJA Pre Green Champion in 2003, NCHJA and 10th in the country Green Conformation Hunter in 2004.

Trained by COTHer Samotis in Arizona.

RxCate
Aug. 6, 2009, 09:45 AM
Just searched my old Appendix on USEF and the girl who owns her has some random horse as her Sire "Starlight" (???) her real sire is Paige Impressive and has HER AQHA registered name as her "dam" - wth? They changed her name for showing (her reg name is Blazing The Pages)

Just kinda threw me off a little haha - But looking at her placings she's doing very well - 1st or 2nd in every class !

AHorseSomeDay
Aug. 6, 2009, 08:27 PM
Does anyone know anything about the Ironworker or Iron something bloodlines in a QH? I think the name is Ironworker but I am not sure. The horse I am half leasing is a QH with Ironworker or something in his bloodlines.

Houston33
Aug. 6, 2009, 08:34 PM
My junior horse was an appendix. He was a Native Dancer grandson and I am not sure about his QH lines. This is him at Upperville doing the jrs.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/photo.php?pid=30729394&id=89601042

avadog
Aug. 6, 2009, 09:30 PM
I don't mean this in a bad way but it seems like there are a lot of people that say their QH could have done the 3'6" at rated shows successfully but I didn't see many that actually did. THere are soooo many QH's bred that it seems like if they are doing the A and not in the childrens they are a fluke rather then a norm. Again, I like QH's I had one when I was a Jr back before warmbloods. It just seems like they can't compete again the warmbloods in general.

Sidneyland
Aug. 7, 2009, 07:30 AM
any statement that starts with "I dont mean this in a bad way" is always taken that way.
I dont think that anyone is going to argue the fact that QH are not likely to dominate the 3'6" anytime soon.
That being said, I would happily meet you anywhere anytime in the 3 foot ring with my 15.3 hand, short strided, small footed wonder boy ;)

jumpingmaya
Aug. 7, 2009, 08:27 AM
I don't mean this in a bad way but it seems like there are a lot of people that say their QH could have done the 3'6" at rated shows successfully but I didn't see many that actually did. THere are soooo many QH's bred that it seems like if they are doing the A and not in the childrens they are a fluke rather then a norm. Again, I like QH's I had one when I was a Jr back before warmbloods. It just seems like they can't compete again the warmbloods in general.

Plus... don't know if you miss-read a bunch of posts... but most people didn't have the time or funds to show them at that level... different story! :eek:
But comparing warmbloods (that are bred for that job) with a QH is ridiculous.. some QH excel on the A circuit but at the end of the day, they are super versatile... which a lot of warmbloods are NOT!
And I agree.. starting a post with "don't mean this in a bad way" is a little counter-productive. Never were the 2 breeds compared! The OP wanted to see who was able to compete on their QH's... not warmbloods

Parrotnutz
Aug. 7, 2009, 10:29 AM
I don't mean this in a bad way but it seems like there are a lot of people that say their QH could have done the 3'6" at rated shows successfully but I didn't see many that actually did. THere are soooo many QH's bred that it seems like if they are doing the A and not in the childrens they are a fluke rather then a norm. Again, I like QH's I had one when I was a Jr back before warmbloods. It just seems like they can't compete again the warmbloods in general.

I am too old to get into a pi**ing contest. For me when I said my horses could do it...my chestnut did 2, 1st year shows, got ribbons with a relatively unknown jumper rider and I invoked the 3 show rule so he was still eligable green. After adding up what it cost me for 2 shows I made the decision. My dream was to have a 1st year horse, BUT I also loved riding my horse. I was NOT a 3' 6" rider, nor will I ever be....so I decided the monetary costs were way too much for my working person pocket book. Also what would it get me? I am not in the horse business and was not selling my horse. I don't have the ego to care to compete a horse to say I did and wind up broke, LOL

So please read....most people who said they had horses that could have, also said the Human could not afford it. For me it was/is about my abilities to pay to make someone else monies, which is not at all appealing when there was no return for me. Were I a 3'6" rider than yea os course it would make sense to have a Pro do my horse to ready it for me. I can stand and watch my horses and pro ride a beautiful 3'6" course at home for far less monies and get the same pleasure :D

PS: my bay mare is always taken for a TB/warmblood cross and I have been asked numerous times if sahe is oldenberg/TB and have been told to change her name.....I won't, LOL

Plumcreek
Aug. 7, 2009, 02:10 PM
OT - Pirateer (the OP), a girl from Alaska just won the Western Horsemanship at the Youth World Show.
http://www.aqha.com/youth/activities/yws/2009winningrun/horsemanship.html

NMB
Aug. 7, 2009, 02:23 PM
OT - Pirateer (the OP), a girl from Alaska just won the Western Horsemanship at the Youth World Show.
http://www.aqha.com/youth/activities/yws/2009winningrun/horsemanship.html

Wow, Great Job Pirateer!!

Midge
Aug. 7, 2009, 02:30 PM
Congratulations!!! Man, I lust for those Montana Silversmith buckles.

RugBug
Aug. 7, 2009, 02:36 PM
So please read....most people who said they had horses that could have, also said the Human could not afford it.

I have to say that I agree with avadog. Saying a horse could've done something, and them actually doing it are two different things. Do you really believe that if a ton of the lovely tempered QH were perfectly suitable for 3'6" at the A shows that the 'monied' among us wouldn't be riding them?

I LOVE the QH. Think they are really nice horses, but the fact is that it is usually the exceptions of the breed, not the rule, that cut it at 3'6" at the A's. Wish it was different, but it's not.

FWIW, I own a fancy WB that can easily jump 3'6" in decent style and make the distances, I still don't say he could make it at the As. I haven't tried to show him there, and therefore while he has the potential, it's all conjecture.

The OP wasn't looking for conjecture...she wanted to see A circuit, 3'6" horses. I think we've all enjoyed seeing everyone's horses, whether or not they meet that criteria, but don't call someone out for calling a spade a spade.

RugBug
Aug. 7, 2009, 02:38 PM
Wow, Great Job Pirateer!!

Heh...I think Plumcreek was pointing out to Pirateer, that a girl from her state just won...not that Pirateer won. At least that's how I read PC's post.

Sing Mia Song
Aug. 7, 2009, 02:38 PM
I don't mean this in a bad way but it seems like there are a lot of people that say their QH could have done the 3'6" at rated shows successfully but I didn't see many that actually did. THere are soooo many QH's bred that it seems like if they are doing the A and not in the childrens they are a fluke rather then a norm. Again, I like QH's I had one when I was a Jr back before warmbloods. It just seems like they can't compete again the warmbloods in general.

I understand what you're saying--my QH (not appendix) mare did the small juniors successfully--ribbons on the Vermont circuit and Eastern States, as well as winning classes at the smaller As. We chose to focus more on the Big Eq rather than chasing hunter points, so she did not get into indoors, but was more than capable of handling the Medal finals course. That said, she did not have the scope to go to USET finals.

This was in the mid-80s, before the major European Invasion, so I don't know how she would have done against today's warmbloods. While she did have the scope and the stride to get down the lines, she also had to carry a bit of pace to do so. That's been a major change in the last 20 years at the AA level--the most successful horses today almost seem to be in slow motion as they lope down the lines.

There may well be more QHs out there than anyone realizes, as USEF is not exactly focused on accurate recording of pedigree. How many of those "unbranded wambloods" are actually TBs or QHs? I'm sure it's not a huge amount, but the point is that we have no way of knowing unless owners accurately record the breeding information when they register their horses.

texaseventer
Aug. 7, 2009, 03:46 PM
Okay we don't do the hunters, and we only do schooling jumpers or AQHA jumpers... but my boy can hold his own at 3'6"!!! He is the biggest "thinker" I have ever had the pleasure of riding. You can almost hear him singing on XC... I trust him with my life, even if he's sometimes a little naughty. I am a QH fan for life because of his wonderful mind, his "I'll do anything for you" mentality, and his ability to climb out of his mother's worst mistakes. :)

He's out of a TB sire "Count Giacomo" and an Appendix mama "Joy Jogger".

I love my boy! "The Joy That Counts" aka "My Joy Ride". :)

http://image74.webshots.com/174/6/55/31/2682655310103580230xeNJsN_fs.jpg
http://image62.webshots.com/762/2/50/28/2306250280103580230rcVKgh_ph.jpg

Plumcreek
Aug. 7, 2009, 04:00 PM
Heh...I think Plumcreek was pointing out to Pirateer, that a girl from her state just won...not that Pirateer won. At least that's how I read PC's post.

Right. But, I expect Pirateer will enjoy her 2.5 seconds of fame here. That girl from Alaska probably gets the prize of longest commute to her horse's training barn.
Heck of a long haul from Washington state training barn to show in Oklahoma, also.

NMB
Aug. 7, 2009, 04:55 PM
Heh...I think Plumcreek was pointing out to Pirateer, that a girl from her state just won...not that Pirateer won. At least that's how I read PC's post.

Oops, thats what happens when you try to read and work at the same time....

shanky
Aug. 7, 2009, 05:00 PM
My junior horse was an appendix. He was a Native Dancer grandson and I am not sure about his QH lines. This is him at Upperville doing the jrs.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/photo.php?pid=30729394&id=89601042

That's the unrated ring at Upperville (aka the 3ft and under ring), which is different from where the juniors go. :)

I would, however, LOVE to see a pic of your horse really doing the juniors!!

Plumcreek
Aug. 7, 2009, 05:02 PM
HUS semi-finals in at Youth World right now.

dove
Aug. 7, 2009, 08:07 PM
I am too old to get into a pi**ing contest. For me when I said my horses could do it...my chestnut did 2, 1st year shows, got ribbons with a relatively unknown jumper rider and I invoked the 3 show rule so he was still eligable green. After adding up what it cost me for 2 shows I made the decision. My dream was to have a 1st year horse, BUT I also loved riding my horse. I was NOT a 3' 6" rider, nor will I ever be....so I decided the monetary costs were way too much for my working person pocket book. Also what would it get me? I am not in the horse business and was not selling my horse. I don't have the ego to care to compete a horse to say I did and wind up broke, LOL

So please read....most people who said they had horses that could have, also said the Human could not afford it. For me it was/is about my abilities to pay to make someone else monies, which is not at all appealing when there was no return for me. Were I a 3'6" rider than yea os course it would make sense to have a Pro do my horse to ready it for me. I can stand and watch my horses and pro ride a beautiful 3'6" course at home for far less monies and get the same pleasure :D

PS: my bay mare is always taken for a TB/warmblood cross and I have been asked numerous times if sahe is oldenberg/TB and have been told to change her name.....I won't, LOL

I think you are taking avadog's comments personally when really, she made a valid point. The OP asked to see successful 3'6 QH and Appendixes. You cannot say your horse is a successful 3'6 horse unless it is a successful 3'6 horse. Saying your horse could do 3'6 well is a lot different than saying it does do it well at shows. Home is not shows. That's that.

Maybe you should "please read" the OP when she said "ETA: If you know names of any showing the circuit (and I mean a real fancy 3'6" horse type, either h/j/eq) that I can google for pictures, that'd be great too!"

shawneeAcres
Aug. 7, 2009, 08:20 PM
I am on vacation but when I get home I will scan some pics of some of the QH's I have shown. Have done a lot of them and some I unfortunately don't have pics of :( But I do have a few!

RodeoGirl
Aug. 10, 2009, 12:50 PM
Tennessee Waltz, junior hunters, Harrisburg...Yes, quarter horses can be competitive at A shows.

http://www.chronicleofmyhorse.com/photo/1971868:Photo:21975?context=user

findeight
Aug. 10, 2009, 01:01 PM
NOBODY has said they cannot...and thank you for the specifics on Tennesee Waltz.

That is what the OP asked for. 3'6" fancy A circuit Hunters.

We still have most of the responses on here as examples who don't. Does not mean they are not nice, good horses or that they cannot jump or make the lines. But it does mean they are not fancy 3'6" A circuit hunters.

I suspect there are some but, we Hunter folk are notorious for not caring about anything but performance, especially in geldings. But we do know what they are breeding wise even if it does not matter that much. If more could do it, there would be more out there and more examples on here.

RodeoGirl
Aug. 10, 2009, 01:02 PM
No pictures, but I remember Wrapped in Red being a pretty cool horse:


Wrapped in Red was a prime example of a full-blooded Quarter Horse that excelled in the rated hunter divisions. With owner Vicki Lowell, the pair won several national titles including 1996 AHSA Second Year Green Hunter Championship and 1997 $15,000 Millers Hunter Classic at the Quarter Horse Congress. In addition, the gelding garnered four AQHA Best of America’s Horse Awards (1996 Second Year Green and Children’s Hunter, 1998 Adult Hunter, and 1999 Amateur-Owner Hunter 18-35).

findeight
Aug. 10, 2009, 01:06 PM
No pictures, but I remember Wrapped in Red being a pretty cool horse:


Wrapped in Red was a prime example of a full-blooded Quarter Horse that excelled in the rated hunter divisions. With owner Vicki Lowell, the pair won several national titles including 1996 AHSA Second Year Green Hunter Championship and 1997 $15,000 Millers Hunter Classic at the Quarter Horse Congress. In addition, the gelding garnered four AQHA Best of America’s Horse Awards (1996 Second Year Green and Children’s Hunter, 1998 Adult Hunter, and 1999 Amateur-Owner Hunter 18-35).

This example is the most frequently cited, anybody got the breeding? Awful lot of "full blooded" QHs go to the Jockey Club and I'd love to see 5 generations on this one.

But, yep, saw that one go at Congress as well as some of the circuit shows. Got booed soundly when it won at Congress, too "fast". They gave a standing ovation to the second place horse that crawled around. Boy, was it hard to keep my mouth shut:no:. Never forget that.

Belive they lost that one...oh...maybe 5 or 6 years ago now?

LearnToFly
Aug. 10, 2009, 01:15 PM
Not USEF hunters, but definitely USEF- Acapulco Jazz is an appendix
http://equisearch.com/equiwire_news/nancy_jaffer/2009_rolex_acapulco_jazz_790.jpg

Plumcreek
Aug. 10, 2009, 02:39 PM
Anyone remember Cactus Jack, plain chestnut full QH gelding that won A/O at WIHS? maybe about 5-7 years ago? He was from Colorado, Randy Henry trained.

tidy rabbit
Aug. 10, 2009, 03:38 PM
One of my favorite pictures of my mare....

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2823225730048495570oAEOeB <- that was at an AQHA show in MI.

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2718203540048495570HUeHkj <- that was at the June Country Heir show in 2006 KHP.

I did the low A/O jumpers with her and a lot of other stuff. Had a lot of great times with her before she had to be retired.

AppendixQHLover
Aug. 10, 2009, 04:00 PM
I don't any of my awesome Appendix jumping. He was a racehorse in his younger years but didn't do many because of his speed. He can be a bit lazy at times.

We go to shows and people love watching him. He can move nicely when he wants to and can jump the moon. We don't always win because his momma gets brain farts on what she should be doing.

We don't do AQHA HUS because he does not carry himself in that way. We could do the jumping classes but he is not registered.

Sparky
Aug. 10, 2009, 04:50 PM
Just got back from OKC and can finally find some pictures of the horses I mentioned earlier. This one is of A Royal Asset, who is "Love Story" in the USEF. He has been champion several times this year at our A shows in the Lg Jrs and has won USEF and Maclay classes, as well as 15-17 eqs. They have only a couple of points left to qualify for Finals and Regionals. They were Reserve Champs in the eq/over and 5th in the jumpers this week at Youth Worlds. (I took this pic, so apologize for its quality.)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30364285&l=c1c7a3b80d&id=1491799817

I've posted pics of GI Jazz (Wichita) before so will skip him this time around!

hasahorse
Aug. 10, 2009, 04:53 PM
This was my junior hunter and equitation horse (from 1986 -88), also dabbled in the children's jumpers. We showed only A shows in the midwest. Full QH (registered as Mr. Chip Win) by Sir Arnie Win and out of State Clip. He is the only offspring of that stallion to do anything. He placed at the 1982 World Show in junior hunter hack (I may have the date wrong).

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2671845&l=e16d49c0a6&id=615315638

I had him for 8 years - he was by far the best horse I have ever owned.

findeight
Aug. 10, 2009, 05:05 PM
And, again, thank you for specific horse doing 3'6".

Anybody come up with Wrapped in Red's breeeding yet? Was that the registered name? Nothing on the usual pedigree site under Wrapped in Red.

BrandMe
Aug. 10, 2009, 05:57 PM
I'll bite - here's my fav QH jumper - just starting the Prix's. Not a hunter but this little girl is doing pretty good against the big WB's:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=48197&id=790353746&l=00aebea905

baker blanket
Aug. 10, 2009, 06:17 PM
And, again, thank you for specific horse doing 3'6".

Anybody come up with Wrapped in Red's breeeding yet? Was that the registered name? Nothing on the usual pedigree site under Wrapped in Red.

I believe his registered name was Sonnys Speedy Count.

Here's his lineage:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sonnys+speedy+count

Chuckles
Aug. 10, 2009, 06:38 PM
This example is the most frequently cited, anybody got the breeding? Awful lot of "full blooded" QHs go to the Jockey Club and I'd love to see 5 generations on this one.

Findlight, I can't do 5 (I don't have enough research money), but here is 4 for Wrapped In Red
SIRE side of pedigree

Good Bar Wrapper s Zippos Mr Good Bar s Zippo Pine Bar d Tamara Wess

d The Brown Wrapper s The Invester d Magnolia Pride

Dam
Smokin Kristy s Smokeys Gray s Smokey Duster Too d Texie Bee McKee
d Docs Darlin Dolly s Doc Ckabber d Sohoma Sue

Chuckles
Aug. 10, 2009, 06:50 PM
Ok, I can't get the whole pedigree for Wrapped in Red on (and I know it looks terrible- sorry)

Cont.
Zippo Pine Bar s Zippo Pat Bars d Dollie Pine

Tamara Wess s Blondy's Dude d Jo Moore Star


The Invester s Zippo Pat Bars d Hank's Peppy Lou

Magnolia Pride s Magnolia d Drifting Bay

Smokey Duster Too s Mr. Duster Too d Poco Ashwood

Texie Bee Mc Kee s Mike Mckee d Sally's Majorett

Doc Clabber s Doc Bar d Camelot Clabber

Sohoma Sue s Sohoma Bar d Poco Susie Sue

Wrapped in Red may go to Three Bars (I should know Zippo Pat and Pine better ). Three Bars is a common intro of TB into Quarter Horses. Of course all Quarter Horses have some TB somewhere.
I would say looking at this horse, it was cow bred or pleasure bred, not Hunter Bred.

findeight
Aug. 10, 2009, 06:52 PM
Ummm, these don't match.

But, whatever version. Three Bars. TB. Both sides.

So much for "full blooded QHs" when you look back at where they came from.

And, if the Sonny Dee Bar is the right version, those did make nice HUS horses back when. If not, Zippo Pine/Pat Bars also had some nice, leggy types out there when I was showing-WP and HUS if on the winglish side at that time. Still could step right out.

Be surpised a desire to work hard and a level topline, long and low way of going work with cows too. that's why the appendix program has worked so well and keeps working. deepens the gene pool and slants it towards performance.

Now, if we could just teach the majority of QH fans not to boo a great Open rated horse like they did Wrapped in Red, we'd get someplace alot faster then we have been.

baker blanket
Aug. 10, 2009, 06:54 PM
Chuckles - I think that is AQHA's Wrapped in Red, which comes up as a 98 gelding. The horse in question was shown on the AHSA (err, USEF) circuit as "Wrapped in Red" in the 90's before that AQHA horse was even born.

baker blanket
Aug. 10, 2009, 07:02 PM
But, yep, saw that one go at Congress as well as some of the circuit shows. Got booed soundly when it won at Congress, too "fast". They gave a standing ovation to the second place horse that crawled around. Boy, was it hard to keep my mouth shut:no:. Never forget that.

Belive they lost that one...oh...maybe 5 or 6 years ago now?

I was at the Congress the year he won the Classic... I hate to say this, but I don't remember anybody booing him? Or a standing ovation for the reserve champion? I know he won the Classic with a score in the 90s and I don't remember anything but cheers for a great ride.

I had purchased a roan horse that summer, with the intentions of making him a hunter... if they had booed, I probably would've run home crying. ;)

findeight
Aug. 10, 2009, 07:04 PM
Chuckles - I think that is AQHA's Wrapped in Red, which comes up as a 98 gelding. The horse in question was shown on the AHSA (err, USEF) circuit as "Wrapped in Red" in the 90's before that AQHA horse was even born.

Yeah...and IIRC, The Continental in your version was a big, red roan that put alot of good performing horses on the ground and my feeble memory is recalling a connection I was aware of at the time. And that one, meaning WIR, looked like a Sonny Dee Bar except a roan instead of chestnut. Big bodied with refinment and a big overstep/level topline.

Still, that Three Bars thing pretty strong. Also, Leo, that one was in my former Junior Hunter and also in Rugged Larks ancestry. I know, waaay back. But no coincidence I'm thinking in making a good performing horse... which should be the point more then papers. One area that let the WBs get a stronghold, purpose bred horses.

Chuckles
Aug. 10, 2009, 07:06 PM
Chuckles - I think that is AQHA's Wrapped in Red, which comes up as a 98 gelding. The horse in question was shown on the AHSA (err, USEF) circuit as "Wrapped in Red" in the 90's before that AQHA horse was even born.

We must have been posting at about the same time Baker. I can see a Speedy Glow bred horse making a great hunter.

Findlight -what is a full blooded QH if not a horse that can be traced back to non-registered ranch horses and bush racers? How familiar are you with the history of the breed. It is my understanding that when looking at a pedigree, the genetic influences of 5 generations back are very diluted. Heck I had one that went back to Man O War; not much of runner.

Be surpised a desire to work hard and a level topline, long and low way of going work with cows too.

Findlight- I am not following this quote, please clarify

findeight
Aug. 10, 2009, 07:22 PM
If all or most branches of the family tree end up there? And some others do in the 6th generation? Not so diluted.

Got a very dear friend breeding Working Cow and Reiners and you'd be surprised at his best mare. Good athlete at anything. Very typey, big step, refinement, level topline, long and low movement and smooth as a cat. Wrong back end for jumping but she'd die trying for you. I'd buy her but she is a solid zero more then anything else I have ever bought. Believe he just sold one out of her in the 6 figures as well.

Anyway, if you breed the right TYPE of QH, they can do anything. But what most consider the right type QH, not so popular in the USEF rated ring because it is...not the right type. That right type tends to have more TB, resemble a TB more then a QH or be an outright appendix.

We can agree to disagree but a "pure" anything has nothing else in there in the recent past, meaning not going back 300 years or something.

I rather like the WB approach where it is purpose bred and is a combination of blood to produce the best performer at whatever you are breeding for.

RugBug
Aug. 10, 2009, 07:38 PM
We must have been posting at about the same time Baker. I can see a Speedy Glow bred horse making a great hunter.

Findlight -what is a full blooded QH if not a horse that can be traced back to non-registered ranch horses and bush racers?

I think what FindEight is emphasizing is that to many of us, calling a 7/8 TB a quarter horse and then touting it's ability in the As is a little disingenious. It's mostly a TB with a dash of QH. Not the other way around. :shrug:

Chuckles
Aug. 10, 2009, 07:52 PM
:confused:
That is how I often feel about genetics, but that said, any reputable breeders I know (and I know several, one who has a who mare has brought mid 6 figures with her offspring alone ) look hard at the first two generations, and then simply consider the rest. I don't know anyone that would consider names off of the paper to be of any value. Yes, 5 generations is pretty dilute.

Anyway, if you breed the right TYPE of QH, they can do anything. But what most consider the right type QH, not so popular in the USEF rated ring because it is...not the right type. That right type tends to have more TB, resemble a TB more then a QH or be an outright appendix.


Breeding form to function should be an ideal in every discipline. I would like to see stallion and mare inspections across all disciplines.
The Quarter Horse breed was not established until 1940. The foundation sires had a great deal of TB influence. It is an absolute moot point to call a Quarter Horse "un-pure" if there is any TB influence closer than 300 years, the breed is only 69 (or so) years old!

findeight
Aug. 10, 2009, 07:57 PM
I think what FindEight is emphasizing is that to many of us, calling a 7/8 TB a quarter horse and then touting it's ability in the As is a little disingenious. It's mostly a TB with a dash of QH. Not the other way around. :shrug:

Yeah...better then the way I have been trying to say it so I am retiring from this discussion.

Chuckles
Aug. 10, 2009, 08:26 PM
I think what FindEight is emphasizing is that to many of us, calling a 7/8 TB a quarter horse and then touting it's ability in the As is a little disingenious. It's mostly a TB with a dash of QH. Not the other way around. :shrug:

I agree to an extent about the 7/8 deal (Bett Ohio really threw a wrench in the works, his offspring can be an even more bizarre fraction of TB). But when I contemplate that the breed is so young and it's founding sires are so influenced by TB's I rethink the characteristics of the breed in general. I think that a great deal of the TB influence comes from "Quarter Horse" like TB's. I think that this influence keeps that 7/8, 1/2 etc... Quarter Horse closer to the Quarter Horse type than one would think based only on numbers.

Ok- That is clear as mud to me, I hope I make sense to someone:D:D

Sorry about the FindLight - FIND EIGHT- the e blended into an l for me (darned astigmatism) ; thank you Rug Bug for the correction - sincere apologies

Equino
Aug. 10, 2009, 09:28 PM
There may well be more QHs out there than anyone realizes, as USEF is not exactly focused on accurate recording of pedigree. How many of those "unbranded wambloods" are actually TBs or QHs? I'm sure it's not a huge amount, but the point is that we have no way of knowing unless owners accurately record the breeding information when they register their horses.

This was exactly what I thought as I opened the thread. I've seen a couple over the years being passed off as "WB crosses" that have even showed in the 3'6 divisions, mostly in Jr's. Mainly we see them in the 3' divisions, but advertised as "WB crosses" not QHs. There is one in my barn now for sale, full QH (he'll never be an "A" hunter) and people won't look at him unless my trainer says,"Oh, WB cross..." then everyone loves him.


Originally Posted by RugBug
I think what FindEight is emphasizing is that to many of us, calling a 7/8 TB a quarter horse and then touting it's ability in the As is a little disingenious. It's mostly a TB with a dash of QH. Not the other way around. :shrug:
I agree with Chuckles explanation-while there is a lot of TB influence, smart breeders choose lines with have characteristics that are still desired in the QH breed for whatever they are breeding to do. I've owned two Appendixes, one was 7/8ths TB and the 1/2 TB. The 1/2 TB was race bred and looked very much like a TB, but his brain was all QH and he did the all-around events pretty easy, just was better under english tack. The 7/8ths TB was much more hunter QH-y type, very breedy head with small ears and long neck, and a huge motor, more hot blooded and a huge stride of the TB.

tidy rabbit
Aug. 10, 2009, 10:22 PM
Mine is 1/2 & 1/2. I've got a friend with one who was bred to be a halter horse and turned out to be a hell of a jumper (level 7 speed classes). You just never know what you're gonna get.

LSM1212
Aug. 11, 2009, 08:53 AM
I think what FindEight is emphasizing is that to many of us, calling a 7/8 TB a quarter horse and then touting it's ability in the As is a little disingenious. It's mostly a TB with a dash of QH. Not the other way around. :shrug:

Yes, but the OP asked for QH AND Appendix examples. I've never "touted" my horse as being a QH. I always say... Appendix. So obviously he has TB in him. 3/4 actually so "mostly" TB. But he is registered as an Appendix. But I also was one that posted that my horse probably could do the 3'6" if I had the money and the desire to do so.

Some of these others are registered as QH's. So if asked what breed they have? They say, QH. Same as other breeds that have a mix in them. They go by the registered breed name. I'm sure if you researched far enough back in those also... you'd find some interesting stuff. :D

But I'm no expert in breed lines, etc. Heck... didn't really know much about the Appendix until I bought one. I could care less what the blood lines are in a horse for myself... more interested in if the horse is a good match.

RugBug
Aug. 11, 2009, 11:52 AM
Some of these others are registered as QH's. So if asked what breed they have? They say, QH. Same as other breeds that have a mix in them. They go by the registered breed name. I'm sure if you researched far enough back in those also... you'd find some interesting stuff. :D


Isn't it possible for a 7/8s TB to have full QH papers and not Appendix papers?

It doesn't bother me that someone calls their running quarter horse (does any still use that term? I love it) a QH. I'm sure if I inquired further they would expound on the heritage and talk about the TB influence. I would tell you that my horse is an Oldenburg. But if someone was interested or asked further, I'd follow-up with the fact that it's not a breed, but rather a registry. There are precious few of the WBs that are actually breeds. A lot of people don't realize that. I usually hem and haw when I'm asked what breed my horse is, not because I don't know, but rather because 'breed' is a misnomer. He's registered Oldenburg but has Hanoverian and Holsteiner lines and 5th generation TB on his sire's side. He's a big 'ole mutt. I'm sure there's probably some Arab in there somewhere...he certainly has many Arab characteristics. :lol:

I love the QH. The best of them versatile horses with a good minds. I don't like that instead of taking your good example of the breed and showing how versatile it is, they've created all these different types: the halter horse, the reiner, the HUS horse, etc. And most of those HUS/ jumping horses have A LOT of TB blood in them. They are crossbreeds (often good ones) but that doesn't change the fact that a 7/8 TB QH is still mostly a TB.

Sparky
Aug. 11, 2009, 12:17 PM
A little OT, but years ago we had a TB that was sired byKentucky Derby winner Gato Del Sol. Ours was gray, and the most beautiful horse we've ever had--unfortunately lost him in a pasture accident. While in Kentucky one year, I called the stud farm where Gato Del Sol was listed as standing, as I was hoping to be able to arrange a visit there. I was told that he was currently at stud in Germany (I think the man said at a Trakehner breeding farm) and when I asked why, he told me that it was to "pretty-up the German horses" I had no idea --do European breeders routinely bring in TBs for refinement or some other reason ?

findeight
Aug. 11, 2009, 12:32 PM
Isn't it possible for a 7/8s TB to have full QH papers and not Appendix papers?



I know, I said I was done but...yeah, least it was when I showed and had these. They have to earn a specific number of points by a certain age and they convert to "full" QH papers.

And, about that dilution after the second generation? very true in general BUT... If a horse has 14 stallions listed 5 generations back and 4 of them are the same horse? With that same stallion appearing another 3 or 4 times in the sixth generation? Well, that's alot of cousins.

tidy rabbit
Aug. 11, 2009, 12:34 PM
Isn't it possible for a 7/8s TB to have full QH papers and not Appendix papers?


Yes, that is what makes the QH registration process so, ummm, interesting.... :)

You can get your regular "white" papers by earning enough performance points. If my mare had 10 preformance points (in the jumper division the other divisions have a different number of points required) she would get a ROM (registration of merit) and then she could be bred to a TB stallion and her foal would be registered "appendix" and receive his yellow registration papers. Then if he received 10 performance points in jumping he too would receive a ROM....

RugBug
Aug. 11, 2009, 12:44 PM
I had no idea --do European breeders routinely bring in TBs for refinement or some other reason ?

Yep. Anything you see with an XX after it's name on a WBs papers is a TB. It's very common to use them for refinement. They will use Arabs to...

Trakehners are one of the only WB breeds.

Sparky
Aug. 11, 2009, 12:51 PM
Yep. Anything you see with an XX after it's name on a WBs papers is a TB. It's very common to use them for refinement. They will use Arabs to...

Trakehners are one of the only WB breeds.

Well whaddya know--today's my birthday where I'm not only on the back nine, but I can see the clubhouse, and I learned something new :cool:

bugsynskeeter
Aug. 11, 2009, 12:58 PM
Yes, that is what makes the QH registration process so, ummm, interesting.... :)

You can get your regular "white" papers by earning enough performance points. If my mare had 10 preformance points (in the jumper division the other divisions have a different number of points required) she would get a ROM (registration of merit) and then she could be bred to a TB stallion and her foal would be registered "appendix" and receive his yellow registration papers. Then if he received 10 performance points in jumping he too would receive a ROM....


Its 10 points to earn an ROM (Register of Merit)...doesn't matter what category. However, in order for advancement, the ROM must have been earned in Open Division competition. Amateur or Youth ROM earners are not eligible for advancement. Jumping only has an open division.

City Ponies
Aug. 11, 2009, 01:37 PM
My friend and I were having this discussion Saturday at the barn. She has a 3/4th's TB/Paint. Filly is a 2 year old, stands about 15.3 very much could be confused with a 2 yr old TB. Reno is 4, and while body wise more mature, his features are very "feminine" (and dont' tell him I said that) and he looks like a very young 2ish WB. But he's forever stuck at 15.1. We are showing in the same division Sat, undersaddle classes.

Filly moves like a typical leggy TB should, very sweepy, pretty, about a 7 or 8 trot and I'd say an easy ground covering 7 canter. However, she's a registered paint but can't get a second look at breed shows b/c she's virtually spotless and moves "too much".

Reno moves like how you would imagine a 15.1 WB would. Toe-flicking, off the ground. And not to be biased but he's got a 8 trot, and a 9 canter but won't make the strides for anything over 2'6" maybe 3'. At breed shows he won't get looked at b/c he's not leggy enough for HUS and is "short strided". He's 88% foundation bred, with not a TB for 4 or 5 generations.

It will be interesting to see how we both place this Sat. Filly has been undersaddle since March, Reno since June. But maturity wise his age kinda evens out that she's got 90 more days of training. It's an Local H/J show, and we're doing the Uber-Green division, aka trotting poles (4 poles at 4 standards, 2x around) and w/t/c undersaddle. My friend thinks Reno will win, because he's a better mover. I say her filly will win b/c she's got "the look".

Plumcreek
Aug. 11, 2009, 02:12 PM
Like Warmbloods, Quarter Horses are 'bred for purpose". The thing is, there are about 8 different purposes: Reining, Cutting (once same bloodlines. now more specific), Roping, Western Pleasure, Hunter Under Saddle (the horizontal necked , flat kneed move from elbows types), starting to get specific Over Fences bloodlines with higher set shoulder and bigger step, Speed Events/Racing, Halter. There are even specific bloodlines now that produce the 16 hand, leggy, shortbacked, all-around youth and amateur horses.

So when you say 'Quarter Horse' is is like saying 'sporting dog' (JRTs and Irish Setters are both sporting dogs); lots of different types all bred to purpose and form-to-function. Good sound conformation is always versatile and many horses do cross type, but at top competition levels (like 3'6" + hunters) , they are mostly bred to purpose.

bugsynskeeter
Aug. 11, 2009, 02:56 PM
Like Warmbloods, Quarter Horses are 'bred for purpose". The thing is, there are about 8 different purposes: Reining, Cutting (once same bloodlines. now more specific), Roping, Western Pleasure, Hunter Under Saddle (the horizontal necked , flat kneed move from elbows types), starting to get specific Over Fences bloodlines with higher set shoulder and bigger step, Speed Events/Racing, Halter. There are even specific bloodlines now that produce the 16 hand, leggy, shortbacked, all-around youth and amateur horses.

So when you say 'Quarter Horse' is is like saying 'sporting dog' (JRTs and Irish Setters are both sporting dogs); lots of different types all bred to purpose and form-to-function. Good sound conformation is always versatile and many horses do cross type, but at top competition levels (like 3'6" + hunters) , they are mostly bred to purpose.

How true. Even within the different bred for purpose categories, I know of specific bloodlines that will make great amateur horses and others that tend to only make good open horses. I'm sure the same could be said for Warmbloods, but its only the QH lines I'm familiar with.

RugBug
Aug. 11, 2009, 03:02 PM
Like Warmbloods, Quarter Horses are 'bred for purpose". The thing is, there are about 8 different purposes: Reining, Cutting (once same bloodlines. now more specific), Roping, Western Pleasure, Hunter Under Saddle (the horizontal necked , flat kneed move from elbows types), starting to get specific Over Fences bloodlines with higher set shoulder and bigger step, Speed Events/Racing, Halter. There are even specific bloodlines now that produce the 16 hand, leggy, shortbacked, all-around youth and amateur horses.

So when you say 'Quarter Horse' is is like saying 'sporting dog' (JRTs and Irish Setters are both sporting dogs); lots of different types all bred to purpose and form-to-function. Good sound conformation is always versatile and many horses do cross type, but at top competition levels (like 3'6" + hunters) , they are mostly bred to purpose.

And to me, this mucks things up and destroys the 'breed' turning it into more of a performance registry, like the warmbloods. :)

LookinSouth
Aug. 11, 2009, 03:52 PM
They are crossbreeds (often good ones) but that doesn't change the fact that a 7/8 TB QH is still mostly a TB.


Very true. But why does it matter? Debating what people call their animals as it reads on their papers seems rather trivial.

Just like many Warmbloods these days have more TB in them then anything else but yet no one seems concerned that the warmblood owners are walking around touting their 3/4 TB's as "warmbloods". :)

I have a registered breeding stock Paint that is about 3/4's TB if you look at his papers. I never call him a "Paint" mainly because since he's breeding stock I'd get some funny looks, eventhough that is indeed what his papers say. I say TBX or Paint thoroughbred cross if I feel like being specific. Somebody else might call him a Paint because that's what his papers say. Big whoopidity doo. I fail to see how it matters. I wouldn't correct them if they did.

The OP asked for examples of A quality QH's/Appendixes and then later ETA with the 3'6 specification so I can understand why people showed their horses as examples that are A quality even if they are not 3'6 horses. Of course the horses showing at the A's in the 3'6+ are largely going to be purpose bred warmbloods and some TB's. I am not shocked at all that the Appendix and QH are limited in those divisions. It's not like the A/O's and Reg.workings are huge divisions in the first place, there are just not alot of horses (nor riders) that can do that job competively, regardless of breed.

I think ultimately the Appendix and QH breed appeals to the rider that might want to do some showing an be competitive but also has other goals for their riding and their horse. The majority of people shopping for an Appendix are not looking to be worldbeaters at the AA shows, they usually are just looking for a nice, safe, reliable horse to enjoy for a variety of activities. If the OP is looking for the next 3'6 worldbeater at the AA shows then perhaps the appendix or the QH isn't where they should start looking.

The appendix IS an extremely versatile breed that is often suitable for jumping XC one weekend, trailriding the next and then showing in the amateur adults the following weekend on the local rated circuit. They often suit a wide variety of amateur riders and *usually* have just a tad bit more self preservation then the full TB. I would get another paint or qh cross in a heartbeat because cleaning up in the A/O's at the AA level isn't my goal nor my interest.

If it was, I would be shopping for a fancy WB on BigEQ or ExchangeHJ and preparing to spend mucho dollars.

LSM1212
Aug. 11, 2009, 04:23 PM
Very true. But why does it matter? Debating what people call their animals as it reads on their papers seems rather trivial.

Just like many Warmbloods these days have more TB in them then anything else but yet no one seems concerned that the warmblood owners are walking around touting their 3/4 TB's as "warmbloods". :)

......... SNIP.............

The appendix IS an extremely versatile breed that is often suitable for jumping XC one weekend, trailriding the next and then showing in the amateur adults the following weekend on the local rated circuit. They often suit a wide variety of amateur riders and *usually* have just a tad bit more self preservation then the full TB. I would get another paint or qh cross in a heartbeat because cleaning up in the A/O's at the AA level isn't my goal nor my interest.

If it was, I would be shopping for a fancy WB on BigEQ or ExchangeHJ and preparing to spend mucho dollars.

Thank you.... pretty much what I was trying to say. :winkgrin:

The "snip" in the middle is because I didn't want to quote your entire post and take up too much space... not because it wasn't important!

RugBug
Aug. 11, 2009, 04:29 PM
Very true. But why does it matter? Debating what people call their animals as it reads on their papers seems rather trivial.


The OP asked for examples of A quality QH's/Appendixes and then later ETA with the 3'6 specification so I can understand why people showed their horses as examples that are A quality even if they are not 3'6 horses.

The discussion has evolved a bit from the OP's original request. Doesn't make it trivial. But in that vein, I really don't care what someone's papers read, but in the grand discussion of what the QH is and if it's suited to the 3'6" ring the 7/8 TB is the usually the most suited and I ponder if that's really a QH at all.



Just like many Warmbloods these days have more TB in them then anything else I disagree.




I think ultimately the Appendix and QH breed appeals to the rider that might want to do some showing an be competitive but also has other goals for their riding and their horse. The majority of people shopping for an Appendix are not looking to be worldbeaters at the AA shows, they usually are just looking for a nice, safe, reliable horse to enjoy for a variety of activities. If the OP is looking for the next 3'6 worldbeater at the AA shows then perhaps the appendix or the QH isn't where they should start looking.

The appendix IS an extremely versatile breed that is often suitable for jumping XC one weekend, trailriding the next and then showing in the amateur adults the following weekend on the local rated circuit.

The appendix is NOT a breed. It's a cross.

But I agree with the rest of what you said. If you're shopping for an all-around type horse or even a lower level horse, the QH may be for you. But I believe the successful A circuit QH is the exception to the breed, not the rule...and even then, I would wager that there are plenty of those exceptions that are mostly TBs with a little QH thrown in. Is that really a QH?

LookinSouth
Aug. 11, 2009, 04:47 PM
But I agree with the rest of what you said. If you're shopping for an all-around type horse or even a lower level horse, the QH may be for you. But I believe the successful A circuit QH is the exception to the breed, not the rule...and even then, I would wager that there are plenty of those exceptions that are mostly TBs with a little QH thrown in. Is that really a QH?[/quote]


We don't make the breed rules and standards so what the AQHA deems a QH and what you or I deem a QH really is useless to debate.

That said, a TB with a little QH thrown in can certainly be an Appendix which the OP did ask about, not just QH . I agree, if your looking at A circuit examples of the "QH" in most cases the horse would be an Appendix or largely TB blood. No shocker there.

Eventhough the appendix is largely TB blood I wouldn't neccessarily label it as "TB". That little bit of QH mind does in most cases make a difference.

FrenchFrytheEqHorse
Aug. 11, 2009, 04:57 PM
I have to say, I am impressed with the amount of people on this thread who post pics of showing over 2' courses (nothing wrong with this at all), and somehow are convinced that the only factors holding them or their horse back from the 3'6" ring are money and/or desire.

Yes, one has to have an intense desire to train and compete to be competitive in the national divisions, and one also needs a relatively disposable budget. But one also needs an incredibly specialized horse with a HUGE step, that's SOUND, and also competitive in it's own way.

There are exceptions to every single rule in existence. Which means there are/have been QHs that are/were competitive in the regular rings. Wonderful horses. But the truth of the matter is, most of the posters on this thread touting their wonderful ammy mounts as 3'6" capable don't really know the rigors of that ring, and don't have mounts with any hope of reaching that level of competition. Which is fine considering I've yet to see a QH/Appendix breeding program whose purpose is breeding horses that can march around the 3'6" ring with a 13-14' stride.

carasmom
Aug. 11, 2009, 05:07 PM
I have a coming 4yo mare, one of the last Bett Ohio babies. Here is a picture of her first rated show doing a full hunter course :) last month.

http://pa.photoshelter.com/image?_bqH=eJwrjs8K8nYqTY2q8DeriooocCvxMQrNcnQMCSq 2MrIyMrWy8ox3CXa2TdTOySwpyUnVLsrPTcxLTlULjfd0sQ01A IIq5.QwH_OsMNdACzXP.NBg1yAcUkBz4h39XGxL1OIdnUNsS4u LglMTi5Iz1CpsjUzUKm0NjdUKCtJtjUwB6_YuXg--&_bqG=0&I_ID=I0000EjFwx5gQ2zc

Horseshowaddict
Aug. 11, 2009, 05:25 PM
Even AQHA people have their issues with so much TB in the breed. Which is why they formed the foundation registries. I too find it funny that the AQHA allows so much outside blood in the registry, and heck, Rugged Lark, a 1/2 tb was/is(?) the breeds ambassador! The registry obviously emphasizes versatility and a certain temperament regardless of how much TB blood is in the horse, hence why when the horse performs well according to standard, it is allowed to move out of the appendix registry. How many "Warmbloods" are actually 100%, there are a TON out there with quite a bit of TB blood in them as well. I mean, I wonder how many responses and pictures we would get if we said "Show me your A circuit TB crosses", COTH might get the record longest thread. That being said, I agree, some of these horses do not look like they are successful AA 3'6 material, but quite a few of them do. I think the point I would like to make is that fortunately Hunters and Jumpers are also "performance" based, and it doesnt matter what breed your horse is, as long as it is the right type. If the horse is nice, and does the job, you shouldnt bypass it because of its breeding.

jumpingmaya
Aug. 11, 2009, 05:31 PM
I think the point I would like to make is that fortunately Hunters and Jumpers are also "performance" based, and it doesnt matter what breed your horse is, as long as it is the right type. If the horse is nice, and does the job, you shouldnt bypass it because of its breeding.

AMEN :yes: :lol:

Plumcreek
Aug. 11, 2009, 05:46 PM
But the truth of the matter is, most of the posters on this thread touting their wonderful ammy mounts as 3'6" capable don't really know the rigors of that ring, and don't have mounts with any hope of reaching that level of competition. Which is fine considering I've yet to see a QH/Appendix breeding program whose purpose is breeding horses that can march around the 3'6" ring with a 13-14' stride.


Why would any QH /Appx breeding program breed for the 3'6" ring with a 13 - 14' stride? There is no economic value in doing so. The economic return for a QH is breeding the nice 3' horse with the looks and sweepy flat movement to also compete at Hunter Hack and maybe HUS, and maybe the flat hunter equitation where a 10' stride is useful.

John Bridwell/Susan Clune were closest (not their intent though) with their Encoriva get - those horses could really jump and had huge strides, but were a lotta horse and not loved by QH trainers. The QH trainers that did try to throttle the Encorivas down pretty much trashed their brains. I had one I loved. My USEF trainer took about one hour to say that this horse would remain in the baby green ring a loooong time until he became confident, relaxed and settled, despite the fact that he was 17 hands, had a strong rear, and could jump any height from his 13' lope. Yes, lope. She was right. Any other trainer would have sent him over 3'6" fast and had the hot horse wrecks.

The general concensus in the USEF barn I associate with is that the 3'6" ring is nice and prestigeous. However, your horse can have a few years of soundness there, but many more years of soundness at 3'. They choose the many more years route.

Chuckles
Aug. 11, 2009, 05:48 PM
Even AQHA people have their issues with so much TB in the breed. Which is why they formed the foundation registries.

Well....the people who founded the Foundation Horse Registry are all about line breeding(they inbreed so as to keep to the foundation lines), so please don't take that as being indicative of the membership as whole.

I too find it funny that the AQHA allows so much outside blood in the registry, and heck, Rugged Lark, a 1/2 tb was/is(?) the breeds ambassador!.

Lynn Palm certainly marketed him as the ambassador, I am not sure that was the consensus though :D (mostly kidding, he was a very cool horse and I owned a couple of his grandkids)

RugBug
Aug. 11, 2009, 05:48 PM
How many "Warmbloods" are actually 100%

Um, none. Because Warmbloods are not breeds, they are registries. Breeds are based on pedigrees. Registries are based on a developed set of standards, often, but not always, with a bloodline component.

QH is suppose to be a breed...which means pedigree is first and foremost. You don't get to deny papers because a horse is a cull (unless it had too much white...which is another kettle of fish altogether...;)). If it has the right parents, it's a QH.

But then, it could be a QH if it's 1/2 QH that earns enough performance points. Then that half QH is bred to a full papered half QH and that horse earns performance points, etc. And you get farther and farther away from a breed and into the land of the registry.



I think the point I would like to make is that fortunately Hunters and Jumpers are also "performance" based, and it doesnt matter what breed your horse is, as long as it is the right type. If the horse is nice, and does the job, you shouldnt bypass it because of its breeding.

I agree 100%.


I have a coming 4yo mare, one of the last Bett Ohio babies. Here is a picture of her first rated show doing a full hunter course :) last month.

http://pa.photoshelter.com/image?_bq...000EjFwx5gQ2zc (http://pa.photoshelter.com/image?_bqH=eJwrjs8K8nYqTY2q8DeriooocCvxMQrNcnQMCSq 2MrIyMrWy8ox3CXa2TdTOySwpyUnVLsrPTcxLTlULjfd0sQ01A IIq5.QwH_OsMNdACzXP.NBg1yAcUkBz4h39XGxL1OIdnUNsS4u LglMTi5Iz1CpsjUzUKm0NjdUKCtJtjUwB6_YuXg--&_bqG=0&I_ID=I0000EjFwx5gQ2zc)

She's lovely.

Chuckles
Aug. 11, 2009, 06:01 PM
I thought I would throw an interesting scenario about appendix horses:
An appendix QH is one who is registered in the appendix registry of AQHA. To advance to the permanent registry, the horse must attain its ROM (registry of merit) by attaining 10 pts in one division of open competition or a certain speed index in racing. Oh and I think they must be examined for parrot mouth

scenario Appendix mare 1/2 TB 1/2 pleasure bred QH
Does not attain ROM- bred to pleasure bred QH stallion; Offspring (mare) is 1/4 TB but still had appendix papers due to mom
1/4 Mare is bred to QH pleasure stud (mare is injured and unshown so no ROM)- I think the offspring would be 1/8 (my math is probably screwed up) TB but would still be appendix

That offspring gets its ROM (good for it) so now it can be bred to a TB; What is the fraction at this point-do we care?
This is why I look at form to function

Pirateer
Aug. 11, 2009, 06:27 PM
Thanks guys!

I once rode a super, super cute QH gelding in some local medal classes at 3'3. He was probably my favorite horse to ride- ever. We did not do any A shows as we do not have A shows here, but he was so fun :) Excuse my poor equitation, this was 5 years ago :)

in a small hunter classic (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30085378&l=636ee8aac2&id=123300013)
again (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30085379&l=d338c1d4da&id=123300013)

Parrotnutz
Aug. 11, 2009, 06:30 PM
I have to say, I am impressed with the amount of people on this thread who post pics of showing over 2' courses (nothing wrong with this at all), and somehow are convinced that the only factors holding them or their horse back from the 3'6" ring are money and/or desire.

Yes, one has to have an intense desire to train and compete to be competitive in the national divisions, and one also needs a relatively disposable budget. But one also needs an incredibly specialized horse with a HUGE step, that's SOUND, and also competitive in it's own way.

There are exceptions to every single rule in existence. Which means there are/have been QHs that are/were competitive in the regular rings. Wonderful horses. But the truth of the matter is, most of the posters on this thread touting their wonderful ammy mounts as 3'6" capable don't really know the rigors of that ring, and don't have mounts with any hope of reaching that level of competition. Which is fine considering I've yet to see a QH/Appendix breeding program whose purpose is breeding horses that can march around the 3'6" ring with a 13-14' stride.

I find it very sad that you feel the need to post in a condescending manner towards others in this thread. How do you know the "truth of the matter is, most...don't really know the rigors of the 3'6" ring"<your quote>??

I know I am one whose pictures in my webshots have some X-country pix of my mare at begginer/novice size fences which are small, but I don't jump 3'6" and I enjoy those pix of my mare doing something she has never done before which was cross country. Does that mean she cannot do the 3'6" Does that mean other posters horses cannot do the 3'6".....I doubt it.

One should never assume......
Without a crystal ball, what leads you to your "assumptions" ??

RugBug
Aug. 11, 2009, 06:41 PM
Does that mean she cannot do the 3'6" Does that mean other posters horses cannot do the 3'6

Doing 3'6" and doing it to A standards are VERY different things. A lot of people don't know that. Sure, frenchfry's post was strongly worded, but the same thing has been said a few times on this thread. It's not a knock on the horses, or saying they are any less worthy of being loved, ridden, showed and enjoyed, but rather pointing out that there may be a lack of knowledge of what it takes to show, not to mention win, at the As.

Parrotnutz
Aug. 11, 2009, 06:46 PM
[QUOTE=RugBug;4300289]Doing 3'6" and doing it to A standards are VERY different things. A lot of people don't know that. Sure, frenchfry's post was strongly worded, but the same thing has been said a few times on this thread. It's not a knock on the horses, or saying they are any less worthy of being loved, ridden, showed and enjoyed, but rather pointing out that there may be a lack of knowledge of what it takes to show, not to mention win, at the As.[/QUOTE

Raising hand....I have the knowledge to know what horses can do the "A"s

How about other posters on this thread since we are now way off topic....LOL

Plumcreek
Aug. 11, 2009, 06:53 PM
The thread title says "Show me your A Circuit AQHA or Appendix". Last AA 'A' Circuit show I attended had 5 divisions below 3'6" in the hunters.

A thread titled "Show me your A Circuit Warmblood' would probably get the same number of responses of horses showing below 3'6". A small percentage of any breed/registry of horses show at 3'6" or higher in hunters. Jumpers are a different matter.

To me, an 'A Circuit' horse is an attractive, quality animal that jumps in good form, gets the distances, moves well on the flat, is well schooled with good horse show manners, and is turned out to a high standard. The height it jumps depends on many factors.

Horseshowaddict
Aug. 11, 2009, 07:22 PM
I know quite a few "warmbloods" who I wouldnt dare point at a 3'6" jump. Same for TBs, QH, and all other breeds of horse. A nice horse is a nice horse.

RugBug
Aug. 11, 2009, 07:39 PM
I know quite a few "warmbloods" who I wouldnt dare point at a 3'6" jump.


Yes. But you have to admit that a larger portion of the WB population is more suited for the 3'6" A-ring than the QH population is, right?

Really, it's not meant to be a dig on the QH...they are great horses. But objectively speaking, for the most part, they aren't 3'6" A quality horses. If they were, the A barns would be beating down the doors of QH breeders for their quiet, amatuer friendly horses.

If this discussion was about Arabs and the stereotype of being less than talented in the jumping department would you agree or disagree? Same thing. There are exceptions, and we'd hear from all those people with exceptions, but the stereotype exists for a reason.

LookinSouth
Aug. 11, 2009, 07:52 PM
quote=FrenchFrytheEqHorse;4300041]I have to say, I am impressed with the amount of people on this thread who post pics of showing over 2' courses


Newsflash: The vast majority of those showing at A and AA shows are NOT showing at 3'6 and above. So again I ask, how is the Appendix and the QH any different then the horses in those lower level rings?



But the truth of the matter is, most of the posters on this thread touting their wonderful ammy mounts as 3'6" capable

From what I can see no one is touting ANYTHING




don't really know the rigors of that ring, and don't have mounts with any hope of reaching that level of competition.



Must be nice to be omniscent

MintHillFarm
Aug. 11, 2009, 07:55 PM
The horse that Francesca Mazzella won both finals on was a AQHA or Appendix, not sure. Big gray horse...His barn name was Joe, I can't remember his show name!

Vandy
Aug. 11, 2009, 08:00 PM
The horse that Francesca Mazzella won both finals on was a AQHA or Appendix, not sure. Big gray horse...His barn name was Joe, I can't remember his show name!The horse's name was Free Union, and what a cool horse he was!I had no idea he was a QH - always assumed he was a TB.

FrenchFrytheEqHorse
Aug. 11, 2009, 08:06 PM
Why would any QH /Appx breeding program breed for the 3'6" ring with a 13 - 14' stride? There is no economic value in doing so. The economic return for a QH is breeding the nice 3' horse with the looks and sweepy flat movement to also compete at Hunter Hack and maybe HUS, and maybe the flat hunter equitation where a 10' stride is useful.


I 100% fully agree with you! My first horse was a foundation bred QH mare that took care of me better than any mount I've ever sat on, period. She was perfect. But a 3'6" horse, she was not. I agree that the goal of most QH/Appendix breeding programs is to create an amateur friendly mount, and wish that more ammys and children doing the 3' stuff at USEF rated shows were more open minded about looking at QHs as potential show horses. Not everyone needs a 17hh monster WB- oftentimes the assumption that that's what it takes to win in the 3' ring leads to this type of rider being grossly over-mounted.

I speak of the 3'6" ring using harsh words because my own Selle Francais gelding (16.3 1/2) didn't have the step to compete in that company well. We spent 1/2 a season struggling to make it down the lines, and realized the 3' ring was where he belonged. So we moved back down. Even some of the big WBs have a hard time making the USEF distances comfortably, and I strongly believe that it takes a certain "type" to be successful in that arena.

Again, this doesn't mean that there aren't QHs and Appendixes that are fully capable of meeting the demands of the regular rings, but those horses are absolutely the exception (in ANY breed, to be honest).

And to clarify, I am referring the the reference the OP made to "A circuit 3'6" horses". I am assuming she is looking for horses that compete in the junior hunters, a/o hunters, first year greens, etc. Not horses that are eventing or doing jumpers. Without discounting the rigors of those competitive fields (I am convinced that I would kill myself attempting cross country), horses competing in the jumpers/eventing can afford to be more creative in how the get down the lines, as long as they make it there. And when speed is a factor, the scrappy little QH also has an advantage over a lumbering WB in the turns. The same is not true in the hunters, hence the extremely limited pool of specialized horses that can be/are contenders there.

woops
Aug. 11, 2009, 08:10 PM
I am the one holding him back--- I am doing level 4's too but really want to move up to low amateurs. I posted a video at Traverse City ---- But not a reply. jUst Blah Blah ---

So take your half empty glasses and smarten up ---
A good horse is a good horse----

For the 1/2 full people here is the video again!!

http://equisvideo.com/winnerscircle/index36.html

Oh I know send you QH and App to Europe and then we can sing they came from Europe!!!!!! Just Joking That was bad I know --- but sometimes it gets old!!!!

LookinSouth
Aug. 11, 2009, 08:29 PM
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A thread titled "Show me your A Circuit Warmblood' would probably get the same number of responses of horses showing below 3'6". A small percentage of any breed/registry of horses show at 3'6" or higher in hunters. Jumpers are a different matter.

To me, an 'A Circuit' horse is an attractive, quality animal that jumps in good form, gets the distances, moves well on the flat, is well schooled with good horse show manners, and is turned out to a high standard. The height it jumps depends on many factors.


Exactly.

Mikey1986
Aug. 11, 2009, 08:53 PM
This is my Appendix:

Copperfield

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30072797&id=19200312
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30072798&id=19200312

Michelle

socalrider117
Aug. 12, 2009, 04:43 PM
I don't mean this in a bad way but it seems like there are a lot of people that say their QH could have done the 3'6" at rated shows successfully but I didn't see many that actually did. THere are soooo many QH's bred that it seems like if they are doing the A and not in the childrens they are a fluke rather then a norm. Again, I like QH's I had one when I was a Jr back before warmbloods. It just seems like they can't compete again the warmbloods in general.


Lately I have seen more and more competitive quarter horses who could, without a doubt in my mind, compete successfully at the 'AA' H/J shows. You don't see it very often because a lot of times they stick to showing at the AQHA shows.

A few years ago [2006] I won the WCHR, USEF Zone 10, and PCHA Year End Childrens Hunters with my QH along with numerous championships and hunter classics... all at 'AA' Hunter/Jumper shows in California.

Last year, I showed my other QH in the Junior Hunters at two of the biggest 'AA' H/J shows in California and she did quite respectably. Later that year we went on to win 2 AQHA Youth World Championships.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/DelMar002.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/DelMar006.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/QY-08-EQOVFN-F-3345-414-0LD.jpg

And lately I have seen so many fancy quarter horses with tremendous jumps in them. I would not consider all of them "flukes".

Here is a picture of a horse, not mine, who showed successfully in the jumpers on both the open circuit and AQHA circuit. One of my all time favorites, he won a number of world championships. BCR Northern King.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/kinggggg.jpg

:D

acyates
Aug. 12, 2009, 05:06 PM
Lately I have seen more and more competitive quarter horses who could, without a doubt in my mind, compete successfully at the 'AA' H/J shows. You don't see it very often because a lot of times they stick to showing at the AQHA shows.

A few years ago [2006] I won the WCHR, USEF Zone 10, and PCHA Year End Childrens Hunters with my QH along with numerous championships and hunter classics... all at 'AA' Hunter/Jumper shows in California.

Last year, I showed my other QH in the Junior Hunters at two of the biggest 'AA' H/J shows in California and she did quite respectably. Later that year we went on to win 2 AQHA Youth World Championships.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/DelMar002.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/DelMar006.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/QY-08-EQOVFN-F-3345-414-0LD.jpg

And lately I have seen so many fancy quarter horses with tremendous jumps in them. I would not consider all of them "flukes".

Here is a picture of a horse, not mine, who showed successfully in the jumpers on both the open circuit and AQHA circuit. One of my all time favorites, he won a number of world championships. BCR Northern King.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/kinggggg.jpg

:D

Is that Sassy? I LOVE her, I would love to find a QH that could do what she does!

LookinSouth
Aug. 12, 2009, 05:28 PM
Last year, I showed my other QH in the Junior Hunters at two of the biggest 'AA' H/J shows in California and she did quite respectably. Later that year we went on to win 2 AQHA Youth World Championships.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/DelMar002.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/DelMar006.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/QY-08-EQOVFN-F-3345-414-0LD.jpg

And lately I have seen so many fancy quarter horses with tremendous jumps in them. I would not consider all of them "flukes".



Apparently there are QH's that CAN do the 3'6. Whadya know :winkgrin:

Filly85'
Aug. 12, 2009, 06:16 PM
Lately I have seen more and more competitive quarter horses who could, without a doubt in my mind, compete successfully at the 'AA' H/J shows. You don't see it very often because a lot of times they stick to showing at the AQHA shows.

A few years ago [2006] I won the WCHR, USEF Zone 10, and PCHA Year End Childrens Hunters with my QH along with numerous championships and hunter classics... all at 'AA' Hunter/Jumper shows in California.

Last year, I showed my other QH in the Junior Hunters at two of the biggest 'AA' H/J shows in California and she did quite respectably. Later that year we went on to win 2 AQHA Youth World Championships.

:D

Exactly. I'm glad someone finally said that. For those of you that don't know, the Senior Working Hunters jump 3'6" at both Congress and Worlds. But, the AQHA prizes are just awesome and I think that anyone that owns a nice QH dreams of winning at Congress and Worlds so many just focus on that.

Many of the posters complain about how slow the QHs are moving in between the lines at the QH shows. They are trained to collect and move like that. And they jump 3'6" without moving out like the regular H/J horses do, so that 12 foot stride could easily turn into a 13 or 14 foot stride with a little more impulsion.

Even a lot of the HUS horses could be successful in the regular h/j shows if ridden a different way. I don't think many people that haven't been around them realize how big some of these horses strides really are, and not all of them are built way downhill....

BTW, your horse is wonderful and congratulations on your wins.:)

Parrotnutz
Aug. 12, 2009, 07:25 PM
Lately I have seen more and more competitive quarter horses who could, without a doubt in my mind, compete successfully at the 'AA' H/J shows. You don't see it very often because a lot of times they stick to showing at the AQHA shows.

A few years ago [2006] I won the WCHR, USEF Zone 10, and PCHA Year End Childrens Hunters with my QH along with numerous championships and hunter classics... all at 'AA' Hunter/Jumper shows in California.

Last year, I showed my other QH in the Junior Hunters at two of the biggest 'AA' H/J shows in California and she did quite respectably. Later that year we went on to win 2 AQHA Youth World Championships.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/DelMar002.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/DelMar006.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/QY-08-EQOVFN-F-3345-414-0LD.jpg

And lately I have seen so many fancy quarter horses with tremendous jumps in them. I would not consider all of them "flukes".

Here is a picture of a horse, not mine, who showed successfully in the jumpers on both the open circuit and AQHA circuit. One of my all time favorites, he won a number of world championships. BCR Northern King.

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/shesgottheblue/kinggggg.jpg

:D


Your horse is awesome...what a wonderful jump!!

The chestnut horse in my webshots album "Roy" did the 3' 6" on Aqha way back when. People really don't realize how rewarded the QH circuit is.....though right now I am not showing in any circuit :-(

Parrotnutz
Aug. 12, 2009, 07:31 PM
I went to watch the working hunters at Monmouth AA show in NJ today. There were 9 total first year, second year and regular...so they combined them. While some of the warmbloods had stride a few didn't have really pretty round jumps....

30+ schooling hunters....so which divisions make the AA shows money, HUH?
and if you look at their prize list there are tons of lower hunter divisions..

SaturdayNightLive
Aug. 12, 2009, 08:19 PM
Yes, there are lots of lower height divisions at A and AA shows. However, those lower height divisions themselves are not A or AA rated.

Parrotnutz
Aug. 12, 2009, 08:52 PM
Yes, there are lots of lower height divisions at A and AA shows. However, those lower height divisions themselves are not A or AA rated.


Yes, I Know that....my point is the AA show would be out of business if it weren't for the lower unrated and "c" rated divisisons at these shows.

LookinSouth
Aug. 12, 2009, 09:11 PM
my point is the AA show would be out of business if it weren't for the lower unrated and "c" rated divisisons at these shows.

:yes::yes: yup. And quite a few QH's or Appendix are suitable for such divisions. Many people don't realize that a 17h import really isn't neccessary to play in the 2'6-3ft regardless of what shows you go to. I think the reason you don't see alot of QH's and Appendixes at the A's is because the warmbloods are more fashionable and for the most part, the majority of people competing at the A's can afford to be fashionable. It's the same reason there are less TB's. But that doesn't mean the WB is neccessarily a better horse for the average ammie doing the lower levels. Fashion doesn't always equal function but try telling that to the average 2'6-3ft rider who goes to the bigger shows.

Parrotnutz
Aug. 12, 2009, 09:48 PM
:yes::yes: yup. And quite a few QH's or Appendix are suitable for such divisions. Many people don't realize that a 17h import really isn't neccessary to play in the 2'6-3ft regardless of what shows you go to. I think the reason you don't see alot of QH's and Appendixes at the A's is because the warmbloods are more fashionable and for the most part, the majority of people competing at the A's can afford to be fashionable. It's the same reason there are less TB's. But that doesn't mean the WB is neccessarily a better horse for the average ammie doing the lower levels. Fashion doesn't always equal function but try telling that to the average 2'6-3ft rider who goes to the bigger shows.

So True. What makes me chuckle is back in the late 80's my appendix used to do a 3 foot division called Non-Throughbred Hunters......and he was usually champion or reserve in that division. TB's were the horse du jour for hunters then.


The warmbloods are in "fashion" these days. I hope no one decides the appendix should become the hunter du jour.....but I doubt it, judging from everyone "in the know" that says they cannot do the 3' 6". Thank Goodness....would drive the prices up and then I would not be able to afford one ;)

PS...both my appendix 17 hands....SShhhh

chestnutwithchrome
Aug. 12, 2009, 10:15 PM
15.1 hh QH. I don't do hunters, I do jumpers and event, so it may not be relevant.

http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt51/crazkat13/Garnet/?action=view&current=5980_109099093425_502798425_2216430.jpg

http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt51/crazkat13/Garnet/?action=view&current=5980_109099153425_502798425_2216437.jpg


http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt51/crazkat13/Garnet/?action=view&current=5980_109099113425_502798425_2216432.jpg

jumpingmaya
Aug. 12, 2009, 10:30 PM
15.1 hh QH. I don't do hunters, I do jumpers and event, so it may not be relevant.

http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt51/crazkat13/Garnet/?action=view&current=5980_109099093425_502798425_2216430.jpg

http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt51/crazkat13/Garnet/?action=view&current=5980_109099153425_502798425_2216437.jpg


http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt51/crazkat13/Garnet/?action=view&current=5980_109099113425_502798425_2216432.jpg

I'm in love with his knees :yes:
Look at that tuck!!! :winkgrin:

chestnutwithchrome
Aug. 12, 2009, 10:40 PM
She thinks she's allergic to wood :)

http://s597.photobucket.com/albums/tt51/crazkat13/Garnet/?action=view&current=5980_109099163425_502798425_2216439.jpg

Coreene
Aug. 13, 2009, 12:03 AM
Socalrider, you didn't have too bad a show last week, either. ;) Made your barnmates pretty proud!

Haalter
Aug. 13, 2009, 01:00 AM
Socal Rider,
What a stunning mare! And what a gorgeous jump! Congrats on your successes with her, you make a beautiful team!

What is her breeding?

socalrider117
Aug. 14, 2009, 04:58 AM
Socalrider, you didn't have too bad a show last week, either. ;) Made your barnmates pretty proud!

Thankyou... I was pretty thrilled to get both of mine in the top 5 in the working hunter. :)



Socal Rider,
What a stunning mare! And what a gorgeous jump! Congrats on your successes with her, you make a beautiful team!

What is her breeding?

She is by Skys Blue Boy out of a Thoroughbred mare. She's a tremendous horse... regardless of breed.

mortebella
Aug. 14, 2009, 07:41 AM
AQHA has also started recognizing dressage as a sport they're incentivizing...I think we'll shortly start seeing an impact on breeding with some larger, more uphill typey animals, more shoulder freedom/articulation, particularly in the appendix (where it will be quick to take hold first, I think, since it's more already there.) This would be nice for the hunters too. ;)

paintedponiesrule
Aug. 14, 2009, 09:56 AM
Ok so my horse is a paint (but they are pretty similar) and we may not do the A shows (entry fees are so expensive!) and we show more of eventing, but my horse could easily do the 3'6 jumpers and with out me on him and different training the 3ft hunters. Currently we event at training (3'3) and often kick WB and TB butts. At our last competition a friend said to me whilst she was watching the ribbons did you see little Cruiser (15hh) against all the big classy expensive WBs and TBs and here is my roping cow pony! Im not entirely sure of breeding but a friend said he was along the halter lines his name is Buzzers Leo Too. Here are a few pics of him.

http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv347/nicolacrowley/?action=view&current=CruiserMidSouth.jpg

http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv347/nicolacrowley/?action=view&current=midsouth5.jpg

http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv347/nicolacrowley/?action=view&current=Midsouth4.jpg

http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv347/nicolacrowley/?action=view&current=XCmidsouth.jpg

Here are a few pics of my old 3yo also, he is apparently reining bread, his name was Jacks Smokin Star

http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv347/nicolacrowley/Tuff/?action=view&current=IMG_1491.jpg

http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv347/nicolacrowley/Tuff/?action=view&current=TuffMET.jpg

imapepper
Aug. 14, 2009, 10:19 AM
http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv347/nicolacrowley/?action=view&current=CruiserMidSouth.jpg

http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv347/nicolacrowley/?action=view&current=midsouth5.jpg

http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv347/nicolacrowley/?action=view&current=Midsouth4.jpg

http://s698.photobucket.com/albums/vv347/nicolacrowley/?action=view&current=XCmidsouth.jpg


Geez....I guess that one doesn't like to touch anything ;) Love that last picture. That is what people should shop for in an event horse :) Good job bringing him along.

jumpingmaya
Aug. 14, 2009, 11:09 AM
Geez....I guess that one doesn't like to touch anything ;) Love that last picture. That is what people should shop for in an event horse :) Good job bringing him along.

I 2nd that!!! He's beautiful!! :yes:

RugBug
Aug. 14, 2009, 11:46 AM
She is by Skys Blue Boy out of a Thoroughbred mare. She's a tremendous horse... regardless of breed.

She's gorgeous and lovely regardless of breed. :yes:

I've heard her grand sire (Sky Blue Walker, 3/4 QH, 1/4 TB) is known for producing a lot of nice HUS horses. Skys Blue Boy (3/4 TB, 1/4 QH) has a lot of successful English horses as well. The fact that your mare is 7/8 TB, 1/8 TB certainly doesn't take anything away from what a nice horse she is...and if I was looking for a QH, I'd be looking for something with that percentage of TB blood...and based on your mare and the stallions website, maybe that bloodline ('cept I would never want a grey. :lol:)

anthem35
Aug. 14, 2009, 02:50 PM
I'm not sure if this link will work, but here's my 100% QH Child/Adult Hunter

He's done pretty well for himself, with ribbons at WEF, Vermont, HITS, Marshall and Sterling Finals a few years in a row...and managed to pull out a few blues at his only QH Breed show he entered

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=737715331&ref=profile#/photo.php?pid=5585553&id=737715331

(not me riding, my fave catchrider!)

if link doesn't work, there's tons in my signature link!

brii7
Aug. 14, 2009, 06:20 PM
I didn't look through all of the pictures, but everyone's horses on here are stunning! I want one!

Horseforthecourse
Aug. 16, 2009, 10:09 AM
She's gorgeous and lovely regardless of breed. :yes:

I've heard her grand sire (Sky Blue Walker, 3/4 QH, 1/4 TB) is known for producing a lot of nice HUS horses. Skys Blue Boy (3/4 TB, 1/4 QH) has a lot of successful English horses as well. The fact that your mare is 7/8 TB, 1/8 TB certainly doesn't take anything away from what a nice horse she is...and if I was looking for a QH, I'd be looking for something with that percentage of TB blood...and based on your mare and the stallions website, maybe that bloodline ('cept I would never want a grey. :lol:)

Sky Blue Walker has sired a good number of nice jumping horses as well.

Rox Dene was a grey. Judge the horse. The breed, the percentage of TB blood, or the color don't really matter if the horse is good.

skimmie101
Aug. 16, 2009, 01:46 PM
Mine is 1/2 & 1/2. I've got a friend with one who was bred to be a halter horse and turned out to be a hell of a jumper (level 7 speed classes). You just never know what you're gonna get.

oh heeeey!! There are definitely some bigger level QH jumpers out there on the circuit! Tidyrabbit and I used to do the low's together!:D
Notsure if these will work but proof QH's can take on the big warmbloods in the bigger classes! Last summer in Traverse my guy did 19 classes in 3 weeks at level 7 and 8 and placed in 17 of them... wouldn't trade him in for a warmblood for anything! :)

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=38846635&id=12315041
-welcome prix

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=38846637&id=12315041
-grand prix in traverse

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=38846642&id=12315041
-NAL level 7 speed class
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=38846643&id=12315041

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=36698632&id=12315041
-low A/O classic in Ocala

JumpQH
Aug. 16, 2009, 03:34 PM
Does anyone know anything about the Ironworker or Iron something bloodlines in a QH? I think the name is Ironworker but I am not sure. The horse I am half leasing is a QH with Ironworker or something in his bloodlines.

I think you're referring to Ironmaker?

albigears
Aug. 16, 2009, 04:56 PM
Not "A" Circuit H/J, but full QH. Jet Deck bloodlines... she was bred to be a "colored" ranch horse, but turned out to be a bay jumper/english pleasure horse.

Mindy jumping (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=2223176&id=607975967)

RugBug
Aug. 17, 2009, 11:33 AM
Rox Dene was a grey. Judge the horse. The breed, the percentage of TB blood, or the color don't really matter if the horse is good.

:rolleyes: Yes, thank-you. I know. I obviously wouldn't turn down Rox Dene because she was grey. But a grey horse would have to be close to the second coming of Rox Dene for me to really be happy with purchasing it. It's my opinion, but I don't find grey horses attractive except when they are young and dappled. That stage doesn't last long and I personally like to own horses the I think are attractive.

findeight
Aug. 17, 2009, 11:42 AM
Not "A" Circuit H/J, but full QH. Jet Deck bloodlines... she was bred to be a "colored" ranch horse, but turned out to be a bay jumper/english pleasure horse.

Mindy jumping (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=2223176&id=607975967)

The form that functions to allow for speed often transfers to that which allows a good jump and nice mover overall. Regardless of breed.

Jet Deck was a race horse and sire of same.

tidy rabbit
Aug. 17, 2009, 12:57 PM
My mare is a Jet Deck horse! I've ridden other Jet Deck horses and liked them too.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=MONEY+MAKING+MISS&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=

This is a conformation shot of her when she was pregnant with baby Comet...

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2001852620048495570ZySKcf?vhost=pets

tidy rabbit
Aug. 17, 2009, 01:01 PM
oh heeeey!! There are definitely some bigger level QH jumpers out there on the circuit! Tidyrabbit and I used to do the low's together!:D

Hey You! Your horse is the king of Appendix QHs! :) Mac-Daddy!!

findeight
Aug. 17, 2009, 01:01 PM
My mare is a Jet Deck horse! I've ridden other Jet Deck horses and liked them too.


And you got NASRULLAH in there fairly close. I am impressed...even if the name, Money Making Miss, makes me laugh a little;).

tidy rabbit
Aug. 17, 2009, 01:08 PM
Money Making Miss... isn't that a terrible name? Her baby Comet has NASRULLAH on both top and bottom close up. I didn't notice how much NASRULLAH appears in his pedigree until just now. Hummm wonder what that will mean for him?

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/comet85

findeight
Aug. 17, 2009, 01:11 PM
Money Making Miss... isn't that a terrible name? Her baby Comet has NASRULLAH on both top and bottom close up. I didn't notice how much NASRULLAH appears in his pedigree until just now. Hummm wonder what that will mean for him?

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/comet85

That he can friggen jump? Maybe a little opinionated.

Funny, my old appendix was a Nasuha grandson, described him to a tee.

tidy rabbit
Aug. 17, 2009, 01:24 PM
That he can friggen jump?


Let us hope so! :) He's got a great temperament and is super easy going so far. His mother on the other hand has an opinion about everything!

Gil's Girl
Aug. 17, 2009, 01:29 PM
Okay now I want to brag about my guy's bloodlines too - I knew nothing about him when my trainer picked him out for me and I bought him sight unseen, but then I had a LOT of time on my hands due to a back injury one winter, and traced his pedigree all the way back - I think it's fantastic, but I know nothing about quarter horses. Seems like racing and working bloodlines though. I love all the TB names.

He's the horse of a lifetime, even though he's now lame! and I wish I could find his 16.3hh, slightly hotter, slightly less intelligent full brother!


His Sire:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/say+hemp

His Dam:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/turks+la+tonka

Midge
Aug. 17, 2009, 02:13 PM
But a grey horse would have to be close to the second coming of Rox Dene for me to really be happy with purchasing it.


Me to, because I am the one out there at 6 a.m., giving it a bath when it is 40 degrees. In addition to my own comfort, I don't be the one who makes a horse GET a bath when it is 40 degrees.

bumknees
Aug. 17, 2009, 02:25 PM
Back in the early 80's I had a 68' modle qh mare. If she was lucky she got to 15.2 with shoes on... I took her up through the ranks to Jr's and some medals. I no longer have her heck she is probably dead by now not many 41yo horses hanging around... but here are her parents bloodlines...

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cabras+flashlight

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/winns+tone

I dont have any pictures of her either. Think I only ever purchased one of them taken and that burned in a fire..

Movin Artfully
Aug. 17, 2009, 04:12 PM
There are some gorgeous horses on here!

Skimmie 101, Social Rider, Woops- just fantastic!