Information on TB mare breeding approval?

[IrishWillow]

How do you go about getting a Jockey Club mare approved for breeding with any of the warmblood registries?

Which allow breeding to approved TBs, also?

[Tiki]

Several don't inspect TB mares anymore, for the others, she has to be presented for conformation and on the triangle. Most will accept them. Some, like Hano, have stricter standards for TB mares than for their own - especially for elasticity at the trot.

[IrishWillow]

Where do you find information on inspection locations, etc? Would you normally pay a professional to show your mare?

Sorry if I'm asking obvious questions!

[Cloverbarley]

You can find the information on the registry websites. They are all pretty good and clear at giving out information.

You can handle your own horses or pay someone else to handle them for you at the inspections.

[Dressage_Diva333]

Most registries will inspect them. I know for certain that AHS, ISR/OLD NA, and GOV do.

You just have to sign up for inspection, get a braider, runner, stall if you need one. It's best to have the mare fit if she's sound.... if not, then you just do the best you can do. I increase feed for my Thoroughbred mares before Inspection, I believe it helps :yes:

Here are a few websites:

http://www.hanoverian.org
http://www.isroldenburg.org
http://www.oldenburghorse.com

[IrishWillow]

Most registries will inspect them. I know for certain that AHS, ISR/OLD NA, and GOV do.

You just have to sign up for inspection, get a braider, runner, stall if you need one. It's best to have the mare fit if she's sound.... if not, then you just do the best you can do. I increase feed for my Thoroughbred mares before Inspection, I believe it helps :yes:

Here are a few websites:

http://www.hanoverian.org
http://www.isroldenburg.org
http://www.oldenburghorse.com


Thank you so much! I had no idea all those registries would inspect TBs. The mare is sound, yes. She has a fantastic trot on her, so I think, if she were motivated enough, she might show very well in hand.

[IrishWillow]

...and not that my mare is crap! LOL

But... is one of the registries more "forgiving" than another? Which is the hardest to get a TB mare accepted into?

[Tiki]

Hanoverian is the hardest for sure. The Dutch and I believe the Swedish don't inspect, so obviously, they would be the easiest. The others are probably about equal. You should, however, start with the one with the most stallions that interest you because no matter where you have her approved, if the stallion you choose is not approved with that registry, you will probably have to have her reinspected with the stallion's registry in order to register the foal.

[sporthorsefilly]

http:www.belgianwarmblood.com

BWP/NAD allows the use of stallions from other WBFSH members, like Hanovarian, Swedish, Oldenburg Gov, etc, for a fee. BWP also has some really nice stallions in the registry and many excellent ones coming into the registry this year. I believe it is the only one of the top 5 registries which allows you to use another registries stallion and still register BWP. All American BWP approved Stallions are also approved in Belgium. There is an excellent selection of Jumper, Hunter and Dressage Stallions in BWP. BWP is very performance oriented, and approves TB mares. check out the video on the site.

[Tiki]

I believe it is the only one of the top 5 registries which allows you to use another registries stallion and still register BWP.Not true - in general.

[genevieveg17]

I have had quite a few tb mares approved with different registries.
Last week I had this one presented

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/glenhillfarm/OldNAInspection723200.jpg

to Old/NA and he loved her. Commented that 'this is the quality of thoroughbred mare needed in Germany'. She scored 105 and premium mare status.

I presented her to RPSI 2 years ago and she just received a base score because she was recovering from a slab fracture in her knee and was not sound.

Good luck with your mare

[sporthorsefilly]

Perhaps Tiki, I worded this poorly. BWP accepts approved outside stallions siring BWP foals out of BWP mares.

I do know that ISR/OldenburgNA will NOT.

Would you care to share your knowledge of which registries will accept foals sired by stallions who have not been presented to their specific registry. It is always good to learn and help someone who has specifically asked and was given the advice to pick the registry of the stallion that she wishes to use, to present her mare to.

From the BWP site:

In order for a foal to be registered, it must be sired by a BWP approved stallion and out of a dam that has been entered into either the main or the auxiliary studbook of BWP. With the advent of the European Union it has recently become possible to register foals that are by outside approved stallions and out of dams that have been entered into either the main or auxiliary studbook of BWP. These stallions must be approved for breeding by the European studbooks of the Hanoverian, Oldenburg, Dutch, Selle Francais, or certain other recognized studbooks. The stallion must be over 6 years old, and have already completed his performance requirements at the time of breedings. These requirements, and blood typing or DNA typing, and the payment of an extra fee will allow the resulting foals to be registered into one of the foal books of the BWP.

[Hillside H Ranch]

Perhaps Tiki, I worded this poorly. BWP accepts approved outside stallions siring BWP foals out of BWP mares.

I do know that ISR/OldenburgNA will NOT.

Would you care to share your knowledge of which registries will accept foals sired by stallions who have not been presented to their specific registry. It is always good to learn and help someone who has specifically asked and was given the advice to pick the registry of the stallion that she wishes to use, to present her mare to.

Actaully you can get a breeding permit from ISR/OldenburgNA. It varies from stallion to stallion on who they will and won't accept, but you can always ask. GOV will also give a breeding permit to stallions outside their registry, if he meets their requirements.

[spacely]

RPSI is another that will inspect TB mares. I believe you can also get a permit for an outside stallion.

I presented a TB mare to them 2 years ago. She was Premium with good comments which was a little surprising because while she is correct, she's not the biggest moving mare & is not huge. She does tend to out produce herself though.
http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/24611/2882576120055789344S600x600Q85.jpg

[sporthorsefilly]

Thanks Hillside.

When I wanted to get Sparkle approved/registered with ISR/OLDNA they would not accept her because her sire Cardinal 846 had not been presented to them. It didn't matter to them that he was fully approved and licensed in Sweden, and had been a successful Gr Prix jumper on 3 continents. Even two years ago this was true I save e-mails.

Since then, Cardinal 846 was presented, at age 21, at Hilltop and has been fully approved ISR/OldNA.

Thanks for the information about Oldenburg Gov also accepting outside stallions.

Sparkle is a fully approved BWP mare with her 2nd E-Label.

[Hillside H Ranch]

Thanks Hillside.

When I wanted to get Sparkle approved/registered with ISR/OLDNA they would not accept her because her sire Cardinal 846 had not been presented to them. It didn't matter to them that he was fully approved and licensed in Sweden, and had been a successful Gr Prix jumper on 3 continents. Even two years ago this was true I save e-mails.

Since then, Cardinal 846 was presented, at age 21, at Hilltop and has been fully approved ISR/OldNA.

Thanks for the information about Oldenburg Gov also accepting outside stallions.

Sparkle is a fully approved BWP mare with her 2nd E-Label.

Yes, I don't doubt that a bit. OldenburgNA/ISR doesn't really publish their criteria for allowing "outside stallions". I was told that I could use Indoctro, but that Cassini II would not be acceptable.

This year GOV allowed me to use Mezcalero, who is approved AHHA, RPSI and BWP.

[Fred]

How do you go about getting a Jockey Club mare approved for breeding with any of the warmblood registries?

Which allow breeding to approved TBs, also?

To answer the second part of your question IrishWillow, ISR/Old NA will register the foals out of approved Thoroughbred mares, by ISR Old NA approved and licenced Thoroughbred stallions.

I have found ISR/OldNA to very positive towards Thoroughbred mares, in fact, very often TB mares are the highest scoring at their inspections. (the inspections I have seen).
A full Thoroughbred mare by AFR was highest scoring mare, premium mare at her inspection last year, and her foal (by Contendro) was high score foal, and a Premium foal.

As has been mentioned, some registries are more critical of TB mares and demand a higher score from them in order to approve them. This was true of AHHA, at least in the past.

Good luck!

[Joie]

The American Trakehner Association also inspects thoroughbred mares into the Preliminary Stud Book. Some more info:

http://www.americantrakehner.com/Mares/ATATB&ArabianMarePilotProgram.htm

and

http://www.americantrakehner.com/faqs/FAQsPilotProgramMares.htm

In my experience, the ATA is very open to inspecting and approving QUALITY thoroughbred and arabian mares.

[alliekat]

I have had quite a few tb mares approved with different registries.
Last week I had this one presented

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/glenhillfarm/OldNAInspection723200.jpg

to Old/NA and he loved her. Commented that 'this is the quality of thoroughbred mare needed in Germany'. She scored 105 and premium mare status.

I presented her to RPSI 2 years ago and she just received a base score because she was recovering from a slab fracture in her knee and was not sound.

Good luck with your mare
Beautiful mare!!!

[Tiki]

ISR/OLNA will not accept for breeding stallions that have been imported into this country, already approved, for more than (I think) the 1st 2 years. After that, if they're here, they should be presented. It's only conformation and gaits if they are already approved. The WILL accept, for a breeding permit fee, stallions approved in Europe. I don't know their criteria - they don't accept all, but I've had breeding permits from them and so have plenty of other people. KWPN accepts other stallions. Hanoverian Verband accepts other stallions - don't know about AHS, but Canada follows the Verband rules. As noted GOV does too. There are actually plenty of registries that accept outside stallions. RPSI does. Cardinal had been here for a while competing and had not been presented. I've probably missed some too.

[JWB]

I second the BWP reccomendation. As a registry they are easy to work with. Foals get full Euro papers and parity with other registries (My BWP mare is approved for AHHA breeding) and have tons of access to some of the best stallions out there.

They frequently accept TB mares that have been presented and approved at a keuring. I presented my BWP mare last week at a keuring but there were also 3 TB mares approved that day. One was injured... She still earned a passing score.

They do allow use of outside stallions so long as they are fully licensed (not just provisional or registered) by other Euro registries. I know Sympatico has been used a few times in the past few years and I was given the go ahead for a Rosenthal breeding....

Here's what the website says:
In order for a foal to be registered, it must be sired by a BWP approved stallion and out of a dam that has been entered into either the main or the auxiliary studbook of BWP. With the advent of the European Union it has recently become possible to register foals that are by outside approved stallions and out of dams that have been entered into either the main or auxiliary studbook of BWP. These stallions must be approved for breeding by the European studbooks of the Hanoverian, Oldenburg, Dutch, Selle Francais, or certain other recognized studbooks. The stallion must be over 6 years old, and have already completed his performance requirements at the time of breedings.