Question on stallion approval/inspections

[headsup]

I have a friend with a pinto oldenburg stallion that did the hunters lightly before they started breeding him. He has several foals on the ground, one who won at IHF. He was never presented. We talked about trying to get him approved for breeding as well as presenting the mares and foals. Thoughts as to who to present him to? He's very hunter type, very correct. We'd like to get him done before he returns to the show ring. Any suggestions are very much appreciated.

[Tiki]

To start with, does he have papers? and with what registry? Is he a WB pinto or a paint cross?

[headsup]

He's by Hallmark out of Terry Brown's hunter mare Floppy. Has papers, but I'll have to check if they are Oldenburg or something else.

[Tiki]

Where is Hallmark approved for breeding? I thought he was a hunter stallion. It could be a problem if his sire and dam aren't approved for breeding. The only place left would be AWR or AWS.

[JWB]

Also if he hasn't done his sport approvals, he may be able to get his temporary license but he'd have to get in the show ring and finish up the competition requirements. They get significantly more difficult as the horse gets older so lots of people try to get them out of the way while the horse is still young.

If he's registered GOV, BWP would probably also accept him for approval on a temporary license (if he passed the inspection of course)
Eligibility: Registered European Warmblood stallions are eligible for inspection by the BWP. They must be three years old or older, by approved stallions(not just registered or licensed) from a recognized European Warmblood Association and out of main studbook dams. The stallions sire and dam do not have to be of the same "breed", but must be of proven competition bloodlines.

Then, he'd have 3 years to complete 2 years worth of performance requirements.....
2009 Stallion Performance Requirements



Three Year Olds:


Jumping: 1 meter (3’3”) Four clear rounds at an USEF “A” rated show. (This may be modified to include qualifying in the newly formed Young Jumper championships).

Dressage: 3 tests at Training level, 1 test at First level
All tests must be under different judges with a score of 62% or greater at USDF recognized shows. (May be modified to include that they must qualify in the top 50% of all horses qualifying for all breed awards at training level)

Eventing: No requirements at this age due to USEA rules.

Hunters: No requirements at this age.


Four Year Olds:


Jumping: Stallions 4-6yrs old, need to complete 4 clear rounds during two years of their provisional status for a total of 8 clear rounds at age appropriate height.
110 centimeters (3’9”) Four clear rounds at an USEF “A” rated show. (This may be modified to include qualifying in the Young Jumper championships.)

Dressage: 3 tests at First level, 1 test at Second level All tests must be under different judges with a score of 62% or greater at USDF recognized shows. (May be modified to include that they must qualify in the top 50% of all horses qualifying for all breed awards at first level)

Eventing: Completion of 3 USEA horse trials at the Beginner/Novice level (with at least one at the Novice level) with clean cross-country rounds.

Hunters: A minimum of 4 USEF Regular Member competitions, recognized division at 3' to 3'3 (Pre-Green or Adult Amateur for example) - Minimum of 400 USEF zone points.


Five Year Olds:


Jumping: 1.20 centimeters (4’) Four clear rounds at an USEF “A” rated show. This may be modified to include qualifying in the Young Jumper championships.

Dressage: 3 tests at Second level, 1 test at Third level
All tests must be under different judges with a score of 62% or greater at USDF recognized shows. (May be modified to include that they must qualify in the top 50% of all horses qualifying for all breed awards at second level)

Eventing: Completion of 3 USEA horse trials at the Training Level with clean cross-country rounds.

Hunters: A minimum of 6 USEF Regular Member competitions, recognized division at 3’6” (First Year Green, Green Conformation or Amateur Owner for example) - Minimum of 600 USEF national points.


Six Year Olds:


Jumping: 1.30 centimeters (4’3”) Four clear rounds at an USEF “A” rated show. (This may be modified to include qualifying in the Young Jumper championships).

Dressage: 3 tests at Third level, 1 test at Fourth level
All tests must be under different judges with a score of 62% or greater at USDF recognized shows. (May be modified to include that they must qualify in the top 50% of all horses qualifying for all breed awards at third level)

Eventing: Completion of 3 USEA horse trials at the Preliminary Level with clean cross country rounds, or the completion of one 1* three day event.

Hunters: A minimum of 6 USEF Regular Member competitions, recognized division at 3’9” (Second Year Green, or Green Conformation for example) - Minimum of 600 USEF national points.


Seven through Ten Years:


Jumping: 1.40 meters (4'6") Five clear rounds at 4’6” minimum in the jumper division of an USEF “A” rated show to include clear rounds achieved in the 7 & 8 Yr Old Young Jumper Qualifying and Championship classes.

Dressage: Five scores of 60% or above at Fourth level test 2 or higher, from four different judges in USDF recognized shows.

Eventing: Completion of three horse trials at
Intermediate Level or higher or complete a three-day event
recognized by USEA. The owner must submit the results signed by the event secretary, along with original dressage tests (if applicable) to the BWP/NAD secretary.

Hunters: A minimum of 6 USEF Regular Member competitions, recognized division at 4’
(Regular Working or Conformation Hunters for example) - Minimum of 600 USEF national points.


Horses over 10 years:
Must have completed performance requirements, and veterinary requirements (and have documentation of such) prior to presentation for approval.


Horses over 12 years:
Not acceptable for presentation unless horse has superior performance record and exception to the rules is made by the stallion committee in Belgium. Stallions failing to meet these requirements will have their licenses revoked. Occasionally the board of directors of BWP/NAD will grant extensions for completion of performance requirements due to injury or illness.

[Tiki]

I think this They must be three years old or older, by approved stallions(not just registered or licensed) from a recognized European Warmblood Association and out of main studbook dams. is what's going to be the problem with any Euro registry for him. Maybe either of the 'American' ones would take him.

[JWB]

RPSI book II might also be an option.
http://www.rhpsi.com/stallions/stallionapprovevsrecord.asp

[JWB]

Performance Horse Registry (PHR) is a good start too.

Here is what Silverwood Farm's stallion, State of the Art is registered into.... He's not eligible for the Euro registries (dam is a TB/Paint x) but he's got a few other registry options....


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International Registry of Colored Horses
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American Warmblood Soc.
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Pinto Horse Assoc.
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IAHA Breeders Sweepstakes Nominated

[PineTreeFarm]

I have a friend with a pinto oldenburg stallion that did the hunters lightly before they started breeding him. He has several foals on the ground, one who won at IHF. He was never presented. We talked about trying to get him approved for breeding as well as presenting the mares and foals. Thoughts as to who to present him to? He's very hunter type, very correct. We'd like to get him done before he returns to the show ring. Any suggestions are very much appreciated.

Why bother to go through all the expense and aggravation? If he is producing IHF winners then IHF stallion registration may be all he needs.

Just my opinion and I know a lot of you won't like it but Hallmark has been on the USEF leading sire lists for years in the Hunter,Jumper and Dressage categories. Why would you care about approval status if he produces correct winning horses?
It's the same argument as saying you have to have WB papers for the horse to have value. Sorry, doesn't fly. If it can't do a job papers won't make it worth more than $0 for a performance horse. And lots of winning hunters and jumpers sell for huge amounts without papers.

[Tiki]

I agree. If he's registered with IHF, that should be good enough for hunters, but the OP asked. Book II of the RPSI is NOT breeding approval. It is only recordation for proof of pedigree.

[headsup]

I was looking at it from a marketing standpoint to open him up to mares that people want to be able to brand foals out of. He's a very nice horse and I was interested in options. The only time I've done inspections and approvals was with younger stallions so I wasn't sure, I think he's 8 or 9 yrs old so I just wasn't sure and figured others on here might know.