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Tiffany01

Jul. 19, 2009, 02:19 PM

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twofatponies

Jul. 19, 2009, 02:25 PM

I just love your mare's blue eye! It looks like you guys were having a nice time at that show. :D

fabuleux

Jul. 19, 2009, 02:30 PM

Looks like you guys had a lot of fun! :) How did you guys place?

thatmoody

Jul. 19, 2009, 03:06 PM

Tiff, from someone who used to show 4H, PLEASE try to smile - I know you're nervous, but it's really important :). Look like you're happy to be out there, and proud of Beautiful, because I know that you are - SHOW that to the judge. She's such a pretty mare!

Oh, and I would REALLY rather see you in a helmet - protect your noggin!

fabuleux

Jul. 19, 2009, 03:17 PM

I agree with thatmoody.

I would never take someone seriously if they couldn't wear a helmet- I would surely not let them ride at my barn, or train any of my horses. If you're going for a professional look, find a tasteful helmet that fits you well. Not wearing a helmet doesn't make you look professional- if anything, it makes me think you are an idiot.

All it takes is one fall.

Not to be harsh or mean at all, promise.

CallMeGrace

Jul. 19, 2009, 03:19 PM

Your horse is adorable.

smokescreen

Jul. 19, 2009, 03:24 PM

I don't care at all about the helmet, but smile:D. We show because it is fun!

Chardavej

Jul. 19, 2009, 03:32 PM

A helmet is a personal choice, smile! Have fun!!

kellyb

Jul. 19, 2009, 03:36 PM

Tiff I think these are your best pics yet. How did you place? I think the hunt cap, new shirt, non-kimberwicke & fake tail really did a lot for your overall look.

thatmoody

Jul. 19, 2009, 03:43 PM

Yes, I do like the shirt and the D ring - it's just that with a hunt cap, I think "why bother?" Might as well wear a helmet. I've worn a bowler while showing dressage, but I'm over 40, and probably wouldn't do that again, anyway. I was way too nervous to concentrate, and it showed...

Edit: Oh, and I did NOT mean to turn this into a helmet debate - I apologize. I grew up riding without helmets, but my daughter will never set butt onto a horse without them, and the mom gene is strong in me... :)

mypaintwattie

Jul. 19, 2009, 04:05 PM

Beautiful looks great Tiff, you can really see how much you both are improving! Was this your most recent show?

Tiffany01

Jul. 19, 2009, 04:41 PM

that bit was the Kimblewicke....

and I orderd new breeches and a new white show shirt in time for next weekend. I'll be showing her with the dee ring bit.....no tail......my reg helment.

tothepointe

Jul. 19, 2009, 04:57 PM

I think a white show shirt would look wonderful. I like to see cuff.

Sakura

Jul. 19, 2009, 06:32 PM

Tiffany... you look great and your horse is super duper cute :)

Adelita

Jul. 19, 2009, 06:58 PM

I LOVE this one!

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KateKat

Jul. 19, 2009, 08:13 PM

I agree, in all of the photos you post you are never smiling! I mean, you have to be happy about something :) At least give us one where you are smiling!

Tiffany01

Jul. 19, 2009, 08:23 PM

thanks....lol. I'll try harder.

thatmoody

Jul. 19, 2009, 09:00 PM

I know you don't just because you're nervous, because I do the same thing! It's hard to concentrate and smile at the same time, but you want to convey that this is easy for both you AND the horse :), and smiling gets that across to the judge. Besides, smiling releases endorphins that make you feel less nervous.

But I do tend to do the grimace of death when I'm in the ring concentrating. It's not so bad when I'm showing training level, but if I don't have the test dead-on memorized I make horrible faces!

Dispatcher

Jul. 20, 2009, 08:09 AM

Darn. I can't see the photos. Only a blank screen comes up. I just love that little mare

glfprncs

Jul. 20, 2009, 09:32 AM

Silly question, but I've wondered about it several times since you've been posting show pictures. For showmanship, I thought English horses showed in bridles, not halters? Has that changed in the eons since I've been in 4H?

rabicon

Jul. 20, 2009, 09:38 AM

I don't believe this is a 4H show. I think its an open english/western show and at those shows no the horse can show in a halter for english usually. ;)

huntergirl007

Jul. 20, 2009, 09:44 AM

Tiffany, you and Beautiful just make a great team! It looks like you guys did very well, and had fun! :D Best of luck at your next show, and do share some more pictures! Hopefully with a nice, big smile on your face!

Pirateer

Jul. 20, 2009, 01:58 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is NOT 4H- Tiffany has long since aged out of PC/4H, so this is a local open show (not many of these around anymore!)

itsnotme2

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:07 PM

I would never take someone seriously if they couldn't wear a helmet- I would surely not let them ride at my barn, or train any of my horses. If you're going for a professional look, find a tasteful helmet that fits you well. Not wearing a helmet doesn't make you look professional- if anything, it makes me think you are an idiot.

Not to be harsh or mean at all, promise.

WOW! What a jerk thing to say. Your little "promise" did nothing to ease the harshness! Personally, in the show ring I think hunt caps look way more appropriate and professional (except when jumping). Helmets make you look like you are prepared to fall off.

vxf111

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:11 PM

WOW! What a jerk thing to say. Your little "promise" did nothing to ease the harshness! Personally, in the show ring I think hunt caps look way more appropriate and professional (except when jumping). Helmets make you look like you are prepared to fall off.

And seatbelts make you look like a crappy driver, right? Goggles make you look like a bad welder? lap belts on roller coaster are for wusses?

Around my neck of the woods, you can't "age out" of 4H shows. There are classes for adults. You don't have to be in a 4H club either, anyone can show up and pay to be in the show.

Laurierace

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:13 PM

fabuleux

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:14 PM

Hey, everyone has their opinions. Personally, I think these are the best pictures of Tiffany I have seen yet- but a helmet would complete the image. I do wear a helmet because I do expect to fall off...Not because I'm scared, but I am always prepared and would rather be safe than sorry.

:)

(Oh, Laurierace said exactly what I was trying to say, but in a better way.)

vxf111

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:15 PM

You better be prepared to fall off because there is a greater chance you will die if you are not prepared. Is your horse supposed to send you a memo in preparation of a fall so you can make sure you are ready when the planned time arrives? I am seriously fighting the urge to say "Duh" but not having much luck with that.

The only conclusion I can draw is that some people's craniums don't contain much worth protecting ;)

itsnotme2

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:15 PM

And seatbelts make you look like a crappy driver, right? Goggles make you look like a bad welder? lap belts on roller coaster are for wusses?

No, but if someone is showing in a pleasure class on the flat with a helmet, I automatically think something is wrong with the horse or that the rider is inexperienced. And that there is some reason the rider feels the need to have the added security of a helmet. Right or wrong, that's the impression I get.

Ambrey

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:16 PM

My daughter's former trainer, whose son is a vbnr, had a saying. "There are two kinds of horse people- those who have fallen off recently, and those who will fall off soon."

No, but if someone is showing in a pleasure class on the flat with a helmet, I automatically think something is wrong with the horse or that the rider is inexperienced. And that there is some reason the rider feels the need to have the added security of a helmet. Right or wrong, that's the impression I get.

You should change that impression, as it is incorrect and not good for the sport.

hitchinmygetalong

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:16 PM

Personally, in the show ring I think hunt caps look way more appropriate and professional (except when jumping). Helmets make you look like you are prepared to fall off.

I dare you to use that argument with one of any number of people on this board who HAVE fallen off both with an without helmets.

Why do some disciplines get a "pass" on helmets, when they are doing something just as dangerous as the next? We've all heard the stories of someone coming off when their horse trips while being walked back to the barn on the buckle. People die or are permanently injured all the time in freak accidents because they think, "I'm just going to do a little flat work - I won't be jumping."

I hope to see the day when regulation helmets will be REQUIRED at all shows. All of them.

Tiffany, she looks lovely. Your hard work shows.

vxf111

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:18 PM

No, but if someone is showing in a pleasure class on the flat with a helmet, I automatically think something is wrong with the horse or that the rider is inexperienced. And that there is some reason the rider feels the need to have the added security of a helmet. Right or wrong, that's the impression I get.

Then you don't get out much. Because I have never seen anyone at a USEF show (or even our local podunk shows) schooling or showing in an old school brain bucket-- even in a hack. I date back to the days of APHA when everyone did EVERYTHING in a brain bucket-- and even those people are making the switch to approved classes. Even the local local LOCAL folks around here will pull out a troxel and put a velvet cover on it. I can't recall, in the last 5 years, seeing a brain bucket anywhere.

I've got many a blue ribbon in pleasure classes that tell me the judge doesn't think I was inexperienced/expecting a fall/the horse was bad. ;)

hitchinmygetalong

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:18 PM

Laurierace

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:18 PM

See and I look at someone in a hunt cap and see someone who doesn't think much of their own head and I figure they know themselves better than I do so.....

itsnotme2

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:18 PM

You better be prepared to fall off because there is a greater chance you will die if you are not prepared. Is your horse supposed to send you a memo in preparation of a fall so you can make sure you are ready when the planned time arrives? I am seriously fighting the urge to say "Duh" but not having much luck with that.

I would seriously like to see some statistics as to how many people fall off riding on the flat (not eventing, jumping, trail riding - just plain riding) and die.

rabicon

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:19 PM

I always showed in pleasure classes (english) with a helmet. And actually at our local shows it was manditory to wear a proper helmet not hunt cap. I guess one day when you fall off and break your head open you can say that there was something wrong with your horse and not you for be safe than sorry. My daughter has an amazing sweet pony but she rides with a helmet and a chest protector. Ob. there is something wrong with pony since I make her wear both, right? Give me a break.

theblondejumper

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:19 PM

Laurierace

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:20 PM

Well keep it up and you may get to see those statistics up close in personal. Feel free to do your own google search, I personally don't need statistics to encourage me to protect my head.

hitchinmygetalong

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:20 PM

Well, good luck getting those stats because I think when the powers that be release their fatality reports, a horse accident is listed as a horse accident.

vxf111

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:20 PM

There have been a zillion trillion helmet threads. I am sure if you search you can find one or more.

Ambrey

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:21 PM

Of the people I know of who have died recently in this area, none were wearing helmets, and none were jumping.

fabuleux

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:24 PM

When I see someone riding in a helmet, I don't think that they are too cautious. I think that they are smart...When I see someone riding without a helmet, I just think that they are too dumb to wear one.

Especially when they are not a super advanced rider, I'd have to wonder about the quality of their trainer.

rabicon

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:25 PM

I would seriously like to see some statistics as to how many people fall off riding on the flat (not eventing, jumping, trail riding - just plain riding) and die.

A girl down the road from here did about a year ago. It was on this board also become some on this board knew her. Riding dressage horse in the ring and fell and died, no helmet. Then another in this area also died while in the ring when the horse slipped and rider fell off on head with no helmet. I could keep going if I really think about it. It happens. At our old barn we boarded at girl was riding a deadhead horse out in the field area just walking and horse stepped in a soft spot and sunk a little and fell with her, luckily she was okay. It happens, freak things happen. There have been a few times I thought my horse and I were going to bite it. One being this weekend at a show when we were warming up in the grass. All we were doing was trotting on a loose rein and he tripped going down to his knees. Thank God he regained himself quickly or we would have both been down.

itsnotme2

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:25 PM

There have been a zillion trillion helmet threads. I am sure if you search you can find one or more.

Hey I just posted my opinion. I think Tiffany's pictures look very nice. They are a huge improvement. But of course all you helmet Nazi's have to jump her about not wearing a helmet!

Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I'm wrong. It just means I have a different opinion.

Ambrey

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:27 PM

Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I'm wrong. It just means I have a different opinion.

True, but in this case you are wrong. And I'm not jumping on anyone for not wearing a helmet, but I will jump on you for suggesting that wearing a helmet is a negative in the show ring.

beesknees

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:27 PM

Helmets make you look like you are prepared to fall off.

And here is exactly where sh*t hit the fan. Okay everyone, Tiffany! said she was going to wear her normal helmet the next time because she agrees that it's better to be safe AND prepared. Start a spin off thread :)

vxf111

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:30 PM

I didn't comment on Tiffany's helmet at all.

You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make you right. Just like you can believe the sky is green-- doesn't make it so.

The prevailing opinion around here (and I am roughly geographically located where Tiffany is) is that approved helmets are perfectly okay for the show ring, including flat classes. Clearly there are some hold-overs from the "olden days," but you are not going to get dinged for wearing a plain black velvet approved helmet. I challenge you to find a judge who will publicly state that he/she counts against a rider wearing an approved helmet because it makes the rider look inexperienced/ready for a fall/like the horse is fractious.

itsnotme2

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:32 PM

True, but in this case you are wrong. And I'm not jumping on anyone for not wearing a helmet, but I will jump on you for suggesting that wearing a helmet is a negative in the show ring.

What I said was that I personally liked the look of a hunt cap instead of a helmet. I never said it was a negative in the ring. Obviously it is not, or people would not be winning wearing them.

That was my OPINION.

Laurierace

Jul. 20, 2009, 02:33 PM

Obviously a hunt cap looks better than a helmet, you get a clearer view of the face without any straps and such. But an unsquished brain looks way better than splattered brains so its a trade off. Here comes that Duh again, sorry.

fabuleux

Jul. 20, 2009, 03:25 PM

I live pretty close to Tiffany too, and although I don't show too much, I have never met or heard of a trainer who encouraged people to not wear a helmet to look better in the show ring.

itsnotme2

Jul. 20, 2009, 03:37 PM

I live pretty close to Tiffany too, and although I don't show too much, I have never met or heard of a trainer who encouraged people to not wear a helmet to look better in the show ring.

Who said anything about that?? You guys said, "Gee Tiffany, you look great but you NEED to be wearing a helmet" (obviously paraphrasing)

I said I liked the way hunt caps looked better. It makes a better overall picture in my opinion. I think it makes a rider look more confident. But this is JUST MY OPINION!

Huntertwo

Jul. 20, 2009, 03:46 PM

Huntertwo

Jul. 20, 2009, 03:49 PM

I think it makes a rider look more confident. But this is JUST MY OPINION!

More confident or more concerned about they way they look?

trubandloki

Jul. 20, 2009, 03:54 PM

Tiffany you and Beautiful look great in those photos! Good job!

mypaintwattie

Jul. 20, 2009, 03:57 PM

It is normal on the breed circuit to show in english flat classes with only a hunt cap, helmets are reserved for over fences classes. Western, well, everyone wears a cowboy hat. Everyone, even the kids. I'm not saying it's right, I'm one of the few to wear an approved helmet in the english flat classes, but I do switch out to a hat for western. It's just something you have to get used to. But lets not turn this into a helmet thread, there are plenty of those.

Tiff, you have come far, congrats. I look forward to see pictures from your next show.

itsnotme2

Jul. 20, 2009, 03:59 PM

Wow! :eek::eek: What an ignoramus statement. ;)

What do you ride with?? A helmet? Or an unapproved hunt cap? Very curious...

I don't show anymore, but I wore traditional attire for whichever class I was showing in at the time.

Obviously I am in the no helmet club. I have been in horses for 40+ years and have yet to know ANYONE who has sustained a serious head injury while riding.

Of course, I don't jump or event. If I did I WOULD wear a helmet.

thatmoody

Jul. 20, 2009, 03:59 PM

itsnotme2

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:05 PM

All I meant by MY statement was that, given the choice between placing first wearing an ASTM approved helmet and placing first wearing a bowler (I did both on the same day showing Training Level 2 and 4 at a recognized show), I decided to go for the helmet from now on. It actually did make a difference in my performance, in that I always do ride with a helmet, and changing what I did in the show ring made me MORE nervous. So I made a conscious decision to do what I ALWAYS do at home, no matter at what level I'm showing.

The judge does NOT care, from the ones I've talked to about it. And I ride dressage, by the way, so you would think the horses I ride are broke to death, but they're not always, even the fourth level stallion...

That's great for you. What I took offense to was fabulex's statement that if you weren't wearing a helmet she thought you were an idiot. Which is her opinion, which she is completely entitled to.

I simply stated MY opinion that when I saw someone in a helmet in a class that DIDN'T REQUIRE one, I thought they looked like a beginner. Which was MY opinion. Which apparently isn't very popular. :lol:

AppendixQHLover

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:05 PM

I see more people in a ASTM helmet than a hunt cap. I saw a woman fall off not once, not twice but three times in the warm up ring at a show wearing a hunt cap. she just kept getting up. It is like um...that tells you that you need another helmet.

I will continue to wear my ASTM even if it looks bad. I like my brain intact.

Tiffany...SMILE..your not going to die if you smile.

itsnotme2

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:06 PM

I see more people in a ASTM helmet than a hunt cap. I saw a woman fall off not once, not twice but three times in the warm up ring at a show wearing a hunt cap. she just kept getting up. It is like um...that tells you that you need another helmet.

That tells ME that: 1. SHE DOES need a helmet; and 2. she probably isn't ready to ride that particular horse at a show.

thatmoody

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:08 PM

Ah, I wasn't entirely sure to whom you were replying :D. At dressage shows we have people in all types of headgear, but I am seeing more people in helmets, and that makes me happy, because it makes it easier to "sell" it to the kids I hang out with. I did just get a new IRH Elite that I LOVE for summer, and that does make it easier to slap it on. I have a CO JR8 for winter, but I was a sweaty MESS in it!

Coreene

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:12 PM

I have been in horses for 40+ years and have yet to know ANYONE who has sustained a serious head injury while riding.You are fortunate. I have been on medication for vertigo since a traumatic head injury from a fall in 1995.

Last July my friend, a lifetime rider, came off her 15.1 hh mare and they took her off life support a few days later, after her family from Australia came to say goodbye. Sad for everyone, especially her two children who were suddenly here in the US with a stepfather and no mother - after all, the friend never knew anyone who had sustaned a serious head injury while riding either. Well, except for me, but obviously none of it mattered until one side of her skull was caved in where the horse stepped on it since she fell in front of the horse.

Then again, she's just dead now, so whatever, right?

cloudyandcallie

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:12 PM

Tiffany, you and Beautiful look great, but do wear a helmet.

How come Beautiful is always so much cleaner than my pinto?

As for the helmet issue, I grew up riding without a helmet, it was so long ago that we only wore hunt caps for shows. But I always landed on my rear, so no harm. Others landed on their heads and shoulders and got injured, so I now always wear a helmet since i got back into riding some years ago. No more riding in the tetons without a helmet, riding on trails without a helmet, riding in the ring and jumping without a helmet. I think I was just lucky. So wear a helmet, take precautions and you will survive to show another day.

2 people have died in my bi-state area within the last 2 yrs from head injuries, one woman got off her western saddle to get her sunglasses, started to get back on and the horse took off, she hit the back of her head on the ground and died. Another woman was trying out an (english riding) horse and she fell off and the horse stepped on her head and she died a few days later. I have landed in the middle of a highway as a child and I was lucky it was my rear and not my head that hit the ground hard.

beesknees

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:16 PM

How come Beautiful is always so much cleaner than my pinto?

haha, Tiffany is smart, she has a pinto that's mostly black :D

vxf111

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:17 PM

I have been in horses for 40+ years and have yet to know ANYONE who has sustained a serious head injury while riding.

I am 30 and don't personally know anyone with cancer. Does that mean cancer doesn't exist or isn't a risk?

The "people you know" isn't a statisticly significant sample size. And it only takes ONE terrible accident for you realize how serious head injuries can be. :(

cloudyandcallie

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:24 PM

haha, Tiffany is smart, she has a pinto that's mostly black :D

Yes you are right.:lol: I went to Florida to get an 80 or 90% bay or black pinto and got the pink and grey monster with an affinity for manure.

Tiffany, you wanna trade horses?

itsnotme2

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:28 PM

I am 30 and don't personally know anyone with cancer. Does that mean cancer doesn't exist or isn't a risk?

The "people you know" isn't a statisticly significant sample size. And it only takes ONE terrible accident for you realize how serious head injuries can be. :(

Or maybe I don't know very many people who do what I consider "high risk" riding; i.e. jumping, eventing, trail riding, racing.

Maybe if I knew more people who did that I would know someone who had gotten a serious head injury. :confused:

And, REALLY?? You don't know ANYONE who has cancer? And yet you know people who have gotten life changing head injuries from riding? Interesting.

vxf111

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:43 PM

Truly, I am lucky enough (knock on wood) not to have cancer directly affect anyone I know. And it's not because I only know people in low risk groups. It's because the number of people I know and the number of people you know are not statisticly significant enough numbers of people from which to draw conclusions like "you're only at risk of getting a head injury if you jump without a helmet."

I've known several people to have terrible riding accidents. Including one young girl who lost the bottom half of her face because she was riding in sneakers, got her foot through the stirrup and got dragged. She was just hacking around, not doing anything in particular. Not jumping or barrel racing or what you'd call "high risk."

I've known a few people who had concussions riding in brain buckets back in the day. Again, hacking-- not doing anything unusual or riding green babies etc. All it takes is one spook to come off and land on your head. And you don't have to have your brains spilled out on the sidewalk to be seriously affected. Even if you get a concussion and are fine in a few days-- that is no laughing matter. A concussion is no minor injury, it's serious trauma to the brain. Get a couple of them and you can spend your days in a ward-- the repetitive effect of them adds up.

Didn't Margie Goldstein (or maybe it was someone else) break most of the bones in her leg when she was standing (not jumping, not racing, not cantering, not trotting, not even walking-- just standing) by the ingate and the horse reached around and got caught on the saddle and freaked out. Horse are BIG ATHLETIC animals. They don't have to be racing or jumping to harm us-- unintentionally. You can be the best rider in the world riding a slowpoke Western Pleasure horse in the pen, if that horse is unexpectedly stung by a bee-- you can wind up on the ground on your head. Thinking you are above an accident is pure huberis. Accidents happy to everyone. Fortune favors the prepared.

RxCate

Jul. 20, 2009, 04:50 PM

You and Beautiful look great!

The only thing will add, will be what everyone else said ad nauseum - please please please wear a helmet. I know on the breed circuits hunt caps are "le chic" but definitely not safe. Would you rather look good, or live to ride another day?

The other thing, is please practice "hunter hair." it will finish the overall look and help you be more polished.

other than that, keep up the good work and don't let that other trainer jump Beautiful ;)

Ambrey

Jul. 20, 2009, 05:46 PM

Or maybe I don't know very many people who do what I consider "high risk" riding; i.e. jumping, eventing, trail riding, racing.

The person Coreene was talking about was hacking her horse within 200 yards of the barn.

Last year there was also a local dressage trainer who died in an arena on a known horse.

cloudyandcallie

Jul. 20, 2009, 05:56 PM

And now back to our regularly scheduled program: Tiffany you and Beautiful look great, keep up the good work.

MidlifeCrisis

Jul. 20, 2009, 06:47 PM

Tiffany, you look wonderful. And it is such a pleasure to see Beautiful look relaxed and happy in her work. Good job!

dogchushu

Jul. 20, 2009, 06:56 PM

No, but if someone is showing in a pleasure class on the flat with a helmet, I automatically think something is wrong with the horse or that the rider is inexperienced. And that there is some reason the rider feels the need to have the added security of a helmet. Right or wrong, that's the impression I get.

I don't go to breed shows, so wearing an approved helmet just makes them look like everyone else at the shows I attend! Even so, there are a lot of better indicators of a rider's perceived security (like her position, the horse's behavior...) and ability than a helmet. At least with the ammies, it's not all that hard to tell who should be afraid! :lol:

Carolinadreamin'

Jul. 20, 2009, 07:08 PM

Who are our statistics experts? I thought that I have read that statistically more falls occur on the flat vs. jumping.

Laurierace

Jul. 20, 2009, 07:10 PM

Traum

Jul. 20, 2009, 07:26 PM

Hm, wonder how long before this thread, like all the OPs recent ones, gets shut down?

It'snotme, your logic doesn't make sense. Not doing 'high risk' riding activities has little bearing either. I am proof of that. I had a TBI a few years back that if I hadn't had my lid on, I'd be in the therapeutic riding group and not teaching it! I've been an instructor/trainer for 20 some years, so not a novice who falls off for nothing. I was trotting in the outdoor school, up the hill which is something I did pretty much every day. And that's the last thing I know for 3 days.

We have no idea if my horse fell, got stung, bucked or whatever. He was a total saint of a horse that never did anything bad. No one saw me fall, just found me out cold on the ground. There was no 'high risk' riding there at all, just having a nice ride on the flat. That concussion took me most of a year to recover from and I still have some mild lingering issues.

Just because you personally don't know any, doesn't make the risk any less! I'm not statistically minded but I can tell you the number of people the average person knows does NOT equal a representative group of anything. Being the 'one in however many' sucks, you don't want to go there.

OP, get yourself a helmet. And maybe stop posting stuff you know is going to inflame the board because I'm pretty sure you are capable of stirring the pot for reactions on purpose.

Queen Latisha

Jul. 20, 2009, 07:35 PM

I know statistics can make a compelling arguement but truthfully even if the odds are a zillion to one it doesn't really matter if you are the one or someone you love is the one. Seriously, life is 100% fatal. That is a statistic you can take to the grave with you. Death doesn't need any help.

I agree, everyone should wear a helmet.
But sometimes you can't fix stupid. If people want to ride without one, it's their choice.:yes:

chaltagor

Jul. 20, 2009, 09:02 PM

I can't recall, in the last 5 years, seeing a brain bucket anywhere.

Whenever I see one (which is rare) I think "What antique store did they get that old ratty thing from?" I think they make the rider look cheap, unknowledgeable and unprepared.

Foxtrot's

Jul. 20, 2009, 09:29 PM

Try to get this thread back on topic. Those are the best pictures of you and Beautiful and I am coming to take her back to my house soooon.

BelladonnaLily

Jul. 20, 2009, 09:43 PM

I would seriously like to see some statistics as to how many people fall off riding on the flat (not eventing, jumping, trail riding - just plain riding) and die.

Ever hacked in a busy schooling ring? You don't have to be jumping...or even moving faster than a walk to be taking your life in your own hands.

We rarely see anyone riding without an approved helmet at shows anymore.

AppendixQHLover

Jul. 20, 2009, 09:46 PM

That tells ME that: 1. SHE DOES need a helmet; and 2. she probably isn't ready to ride that particular horse at a show.

Yeah..well I can't tell her anything. She doesn't believe in helmets either. Told me that she is adult and can make her own decisions. OK..whatever..I like my brain and being able to feed myself and type.

equineartworks

Jul. 20, 2009, 09:50 PM

It pains me to admit this, but I took a nasty fall a couple of years ago dismounting at a block (I was recovering from a bad sprain...didn't want the shock of landing) and my foot slipped and I went off the block backward and smacked my head pretty good.

Thankfully I had my helmet on and thankfully the horse was a gem and didn't budge because my face was about 2 inches from his hoof.

A safe helmet, every ride. No exceptions.

You both look lovely...SMILE!

PletchersMom

Jul. 20, 2009, 09:55 PM

Tiffany, awesome pics....you to look great together.

BTW, when I go to shows, I have a CO JR8 that is very comfy, and for every day schooling, I wear a Tipperary helmet. I have been lucky that when I have been bucked off, I landed on my keester....:o and not my head!

Chardavej

Jul. 20, 2009, 09:56 PM

For Gosh sake! She came to post pictures, whether she wears a helmet or not is her business. I don't care if someone else on an interent chat room wears a helmet or not, I don't think they look stupid, or like an idiot, or unprofessional, or amature, or ignorant, or moronic or whatever, I DON'T CARE. I wear a helmet, but I don't push it on strangers on an internet chat board. I do preach to my friends because I DO care about them, but other people I don't know, eh, their choice and you know what? We're all gonna die one day of something, did you know that? We can't control destiny, so maybe the helmet saved you today from trauma, death or a comatose state, who is to say the drunk driver wont take you out tomorrow. You don't know, and it doesn't help to nag strangers. If you want to nag your friends, like I do, then fine. I love them and if it helps it helps.

Hunter Mom

Jul. 20, 2009, 10:45 PM

I agree, everyone should wear a helmet.
But sometimes you can't fix stupid. If people want to ride without one, it's their choice.:yes:

I believe it is called natural selection.

Back to what is important - Tiffany, I'm glad to hear that you're updating your wardrobe and Beautiful's, too. The white shirt will look very nice - a little cuff showing between the sleeve and glove really gives a nice "pop" to the look. I do, however, agree - look up and SMILE!! I can't wait to see more photos when you've had a chance to really work with your new trainer and make even more progress with your girl.