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Forte
Jul. 17, 2009, 06:27 PM
Can anyone recommend some dual purpose jumper/dressage stallions? I am not looking to produce a hunter, definitely want more of a dressage mover, but with the ability to jump as well. The pedigree of the mare in question is here http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/eirianna The mare already has a lot of jumping talent and lots of knee action when she moves and a very uphill neck. I would like to see a shorter back and more uphill build (she is croup high). She also has what I consider a "jumper" hind end with a straighter hind leg. Would like to see her have more elastic movement and more hock action, without losing the jumping ability. Also prefer a stallion know for throwing more mellow babies. Frozen semen or fresh chilled available in Canada would be good. I've been thinking of Le Primeur or Banderas. Any other ideas?

TrotTrotPumpkn
Jul. 17, 2009, 06:39 PM
I'm not commenting on the ones you mentioned, but would encourage you to also look at Edgar's stallions. Rainbowequus.com I have nothing but wonderful things to say about how they handled my breeding needs this summer.

There are other SO on this board who also have dual purpose stallions. I'm sure you will get lots of ideas.

You should post pictures (I just love to look at horses).

Mythology
Jul. 17, 2009, 08:46 PM
Look at Balta'czar www.jumpstartfarm.com
He's done hunters, jumpers, and dressage as have his babies. He also mellows a hot mare, strengthens the back, has fantastic motility fresh and frozen, and is just an awesome horse in general. Oh and he can't throw a chestnut, and he throws tons of chrome- just a bonus, if your into that type of thing.
Saret Tola , his owner, stands a bunch of stallions, is very good at collection and knowlageable about bloodlines. If she doesn't think a cross will work, she'll tell you up front what would work better and she'll recomend a stallion that will cross well, even if it's not one of hers.:)

Dressage_Diva333
Jul. 17, 2009, 09:09 PM
Pablo
Landfriese II

Oakstable
Jul. 17, 2009, 09:14 PM
Pablo shortened the back on one of my mares.

Offspring is Pablo's Dylano on warmbloods-for-sale.

A couple conformation photos there.

I've been hearing that a lot of people are liking the Pablos for the hunter ring.

My Dylano is flat kneed so he could go there easily.

Saret sure has added a lot of stallions to her roster.

Forte
Jul. 17, 2009, 09:24 PM
Oakstable, Your Pablo gelding is super cute! I actually inquired about him a while ago when I was looking for a young prospect. The mare in question on this thread is the horse I ended up getting.
I should mention that I am really trying to stay away from stallions that throw hunter type movement. This mare has a lot of high knee action and I would like to preserve that.

Oakstable
Jul. 17, 2009, 09:33 PM
Forte,
Thanks.

He is a doll. Doing really well now in limited training.

I also have a Pablo filly out of a DIFFERENT mare who is a totally different mover.

I think Dylano got more of his mother's flat kneed movement. Very long stride.

I have a video clip finally to show him.

NorCalDressage
Jul. 17, 2009, 10:01 PM
Can anyone recommend some dual purpose jumper/dressage stallions? I am not looking to produce a hunter, definitely want more of a dressage mover, but with the ability to jump as well. The pedigree of the mare in question is here http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/eirianna The mare already has a lot of jumping talent and lots of knee action when she moves and a very uphill neck. I would like to see a shorter back and more uphill build (she is croup high). She also has what I consider a "jumper" hind end with a straighter hind leg. Would like to see her have more elastic movement and more hock action, without losing the jumping ability. Also prefer a stallion know for throwing more mellow babies. Frozen semen or fresh chilled available in Canada would be good. I've been thinking of Le Primeur or Banderas. Any other ideas?

I do like Le Primeur for a "dual purpose" stallion.

Also, Fabriano. Maybe check out Escudo or Espri.

SilverSpringFarm
Jul. 17, 2009, 10:04 PM
I desire the same type of stallion for my mare, and I have heard very good things about Oskar II's foals.

http://www.americantrakehner.com/Stallions/OskarII.asp

Forte
Jul. 18, 2009, 01:53 AM
Forgot to mention that there are some videos of my mare online.
Movement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdB5eb-b9II
First time free jumping http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orZjjVw4H3M

Sunnydays
Jul. 18, 2009, 07:27 AM
Boy, do I see Eastern Ruler when I look at her. In addition to Le Primeur, another Cdn based stallion that will give dual talent, and refinement and good temperament, is Sir Wanabi. Cleaning up in hunters now, he also did well at basic dressage. Very handsome black stallion, good SPT scores.

carolprudm
Jul. 18, 2009, 07:55 AM
http://www.tophorsesales.com/Stallions/clovercliste.htm

Sunnydays
Jul. 18, 2009, 08:36 AM
Another thought: Starlight (frozen). He is Sandro Hit / Cordeur / Argentinus - so loaded with jumping sires in the pedigree - - jumping sires with movement. He will throw large, I believe, so that may be a consideration.

WB Mom
Jul. 18, 2009, 09:42 AM
Look at Alcatraz. He produces jumpers, dressage and even a few hunters.

Lesley Feakins
Jul. 18, 2009, 10:32 AM
Another one to look at might be Wamberto. He is young and I believe this year is his first for foals on the ground but his bloodlines are a blend of dressage and jumpers. We actually have a filly by him and are very pleased.

Oakstable
Jul. 18, 2009, 10:48 AM
I wish Spruce Meadows had offspring photos up for Le Primeur.

Edgewood
Jul. 18, 2009, 10:54 AM
Well, just a plug for Pablo again; and in my case, he did NOT throw hunter movement. On the contrary, the movement has knee and is quite similar to both Pablo's and the dam's movement

Here are some still photos taken as a 2 year old (sorry, from a video). If you want to see a video of her as a foal, look at the base of my homepage (memorial to her mother Ghlycerine); it has footage of the foal at the end. I don't have any current video uploaded.

http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/44917/2952482330098184669S500x500Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/42258/2829853660098184669S500x500Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/1191/2682197580098184669S500x500Q85.jpg

Oakstable
Jul. 18, 2009, 12:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=562rXvYaDaM

Pablo filly out of a Dutch Ster mare.

Donella
Jul. 18, 2009, 12:18 PM
Well, you know how I feel about Le Primeur but at the same time, the stallion will likely not throw his own type, but will let the mare come through. You will likely keep the round movement and excellent athleticism, as he does appear to throw that. He himself is actually quite rectangular in frame, very much a jumper looking stallion.

However, he does have ideal angles behind, beautiful hind end! Just depends wether or not he throws it. Are you thinking of this year? I have heard his book is closed, but I am not sure?

As for frozen, what about a stallion like Contendro 1? How important is height? He tends to make really rubbery moving offspring with round movement and compact , smaller types. He is supposed to cross well on longer framed, tall mares. He throws beautiful types!

Chequille Z may also suit, or perhaps Conteur from Celle. All from the same , very dual talented Calypso line ...very much know for round movement and excellent type. I actually think I would go Holsteiner with your mare.

sfstable
Jul. 18, 2009, 01:42 PM
How about the SF stallion, Juan Valdez Carolina ? www.juanvaldezcar.com. He is performing at the Grand Prix level in dressage. He also has several 1/2 siblings (same mare) competing in Prix St. George and several who are jumpers.

I have one of his 1/2 sisters (same dam) who is my daughter's jumper but she has also shown her through 2nd level dressage. This is a link to some pictures of my mare: http://s608.photobucket.com/albums/tt166/sfstable/Katie%20D%20Car/

horserider12
Jul. 18, 2009, 02:04 PM
BARTANO Z!! :) olympic jumper lines, incredible dressage movement with lovely conformation

Centuree
Jul. 18, 2009, 02:49 PM
I will second to check out Chequille Z. He has great jumping form and great jumper bloodlines, but is doing grand prix dressage. Wonderful movement.

columbus
Jul. 18, 2009, 04:26 PM
I think you are being premature on your faults of your mare. She is an '06 there is a lot you are criticizing that will change. She WILL be more up hill. She looks to me to be immature in her front as she has every right to be at her age. She will be up hill in two or three years...do you want MUCH more up hill. She will have more scope in a couple more years too. She has a pretty appropriate length for a mare. I would worry that you will loose things you like if you shorten her back. She had a powerful loin and as her withers comes up and her shoulder changes with it she will be even more rectangular but that is the kind of horse she is. If you would like a more fashionable square modern warmblood I think length of forearm may be more important. What she has as far as her lower limbs(below the body) is a done deal and is not likely to change. Even the too straight hind end will angle out as you are seeing the result of the spurt of growth in her upper hind limb that made her butt high right now. She is really very nice for her age. Unfortunately, you don't know exactly what bits and pieces are time dependant and that is what makes breeding 3/4 yos an art . It is more important to know her sire and dam, siblings and cousins to select a stallion. Even her temperament reflects her age, if you want calmer...she is three and a filly they can be a royal pain and end up just fine...or not. You are on an adventure. Select a stallion you love...you have a mare you love...after the foal you will know more about your mare. PatO

Signature
Jul. 18, 2009, 04:40 PM
In our experience the foals 95% of the time inherit the dam's mechanics of movement (mare w/ lots of knee = baby w/ lots, and vice versa). We have all flat hunter type movers and our babies never seem to have knee, even by dressage stallions with lots of action. But, they get the nice elasticity from the dressage pedigree and so they are exceptional hunter movers.

By the way your mare moves, I would expect the foal to have knee action unless you bred her to something very prepotent for flat knee, such as Don Alfredo. She is nice and elastic so I would want to preserve that!

I agree about Pablo for an all-purpose horse. Rosenthal has also sired dressage horses and hunters. Also Edgar's new stallion Rubignon has great scores in dressage as well as jumping at his test. Romantic Star is also another to consider. Luckily there are a lot of great choices available these days!

stoicfish
Jul. 18, 2009, 09:32 PM
I wish Spruce Meadows had offspring photos up for Le Primeur.

http://www.hannoveraner.com/1264.html
http://www.teradanfarms.com/TD_salehorses.htm
http://clearbluefarm.com/mares.html
http://groups.google.com/group/CalHanoverian/browse_thread/thread/c183ffeb44875b41
http://www.greyfoxfarm.com/x_sale_latatiana.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qVxvfRVMsI

And of course Lougheed (http://www.canadianwarmbloods.com/stalliondetail.php?horseid=1000188) and Labiat (http://www.astrid-ue.de/celle2007/prog/dreij/pages/labiat.html) the stallions.
I have a Lougheed baby this year that I am very happy with!

http://www.canadianwarmbloods.com/pdfdocs/BD/BD5-ChapterON.pdf

Forte
Jul. 19, 2009, 04:28 PM
Thanks for the advice everyone. I am thinking of a stallion for next year, so I have plenty of time to see how she develops. I am just starting to ride her now, and I will only breed her if I feel that she is superior individual. I do think that Holsteiner is an interesting way to go, so I'll probably look into Chequille Z and Contendro. Pablo is also an interesting idea, and he's available fresh which is a bonus.

diva4ever
Jul. 20, 2009, 12:51 PM
Look at Ironman...most of the first mares he bred to were dressage mares because of his great bloodlines and he also had a great jumper career. I know a great dressage rider sat on him one day and even said he should've been a dressage horse not a jumper (but then we'd miss all of his fun antics as he shows of for us in the arena). His offspring definitely get his great movement and jumping form. I think he's available in Canada but contact Nancy (nsm on coth) for more info.

STF
Jul. 20, 2009, 12:56 PM
Our stallion has offspring doing Hunter, Jumpers, Eventing and Dressage and placing well.
Nuff said.

not again
Jul. 20, 2009, 05:53 PM
All of our stallions are multi-purpose! We have offspring from all of them in all disciplines (for the ones who have offspring old enough!).

clint
Jul. 20, 2009, 08:52 PM
http://www.hannoveraner.com/1264.html
http://www.teradanfarms.com/TD_salehorses.htm
http://clearbluefarm.com/mares.html
http://groups.google.com/group/CalHanoverian/browse_thread/thread/c183ffeb44875b41
http://www.greyfoxfarm.com/x_sale_latatiana.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qVxvfRVMsI

And of course Lougheed and Labiat the stallions.
I have a Lougheed baby this year that I am very happy with!

I think Le Primeur just went to the top of "who to breed to in 2010" list. What outstanding looking offspring, consistent in type, out of a variety of mares.

Amoroso
Jul. 21, 2009, 01:01 AM
I love Radjah Z as a multi purpose stallion, super jumper bloodlines! With the addition of the Ramiro lines, you get the movement as well.

Another that hasn't been mentioned is Freestyle. While he isn't necessarily promoted as a jumper producer, many of his offspring are decent jumpers. Our dutch colt last year by Freestyle sold to a jumper, and I could have sold him 3 times over to other jumpers.... Plus, you get solid dressage ability.

Forte
Jul. 21, 2009, 01:48 AM
Radjah is awesome, but I don't want to double up on the Ramiro so close. Freestyle is one of my favorite stallions of all time, but I don't think he will put more angle on a straight hind leg.

gortmore
Jul. 21, 2009, 10:56 AM
Thanks for the mention of our stallion Clover Cliste.

While he has been bred to a variety of mares with owners looking for foals for a variety of disciplines his primary market has been for jumpers and amateur friendly temperaments. To date he has offspring who have shown in hunters, jumpers and eventing plus a number that dressage trainers are wanting to get their hands on.

We realize that not all stallions work well for all mares so if the OP, or anyone else, is interested in speaking to us further about what we have seen with his offspring from a variety of mares I would be happy to discuss this with them.

A few other stallions that I think are multi-purpose are Cotopaxi and Raffello - www.synergysporthoses.net and for a full ID a stallion that I always wanted a Clover Cliste filly to breed to is O'Leary's Irish Diamond.

OP good luck in your search for a match for your mare, I am sure that you will get plenty of ideas from the many knowledgeable breeders on this board.