Stallion name "Christ"?

[TKR]

Saw a post about him and looked at his picture -- just lovely. Is he Hanoverian, Oldenburg or?? Can anyone comment on his name -- why on earth would someone name a horse "Christ"? I find it unsettling. Any other information regarding him?

PennyG

[Tiki]

Don't know anything about him, but his name might not be pronounced as you think. It might be pronounced 'Chris' (with a t), as it would in another language, or like the Christ in Christmas. That's also a not uncommon last name, Christ, and it's not pronounced the way you are thinking nor does it mean the same thing. There are lots of other things in this world to be unsettled about.

[Dan]

Yes, he is Hannoverian and stands at Gestut Sprehe. He is also approved with some of the other registries.

His pedigree is Competent x Picard x Dainyo xx

I believe he is known for being a good all around horse.

Dan

[Donella]

I Like the breeding as well. It is pronounced like KRIS with a T on the end.

[alexandra]

TKR well the world does not consist of just english speaking people "roll eyes". Start thinking first before judging.

It is pronounced as in christ mas.
This is a german horse and we speak german this is no deal at all as christ as such would not mean the same as in english. We would say Christus in that meaning or Jesus.

In addition Christ is a jewelry company. No idea if that was also in consideration.

[Kareen]

I think that's what was meant with the name (the jewelry brand). So it's not much different than calling your horse 'Swarowski' or 'De Beers' and nothing unsettling about to be :)
I like his breeding (have a soft spot for Competent to begin with) and Picard - Daimyo xx leaves plenty of room for speculation whether they will be better at dressage, jumping or both...

[hansiska]

I'm glad to hear the name has other connotations for Germans. Unfortunately, the name has decidedly religious connotations in the English-speaking world and I do think it may have an affect on the owners' ability to market him internationally.

[TKR]

No judgement intended - I guess it's just where you are from. I found it surprising, now that it is explained, no big deal. I simply asked a question and got an answer.
Thanks,
PennyG

[mmt]

Christ is a rather energetic type, and a very good dressage horse with jumping lines. He is apparently very interesting to ride for dressage, as well as a good jumper, so I am looking for more foals to come.

[Marydell]

We were in Germany the first week of June and saw many Christ offspring.

LOVED them!! They all had a very nice modern type, outgoing and inquisitive. Saw 5 foal shows and a Christ offspring - all different ones-was usually in the top 5 or higher.
They certainly have dressage gaits.

This is a stallion I am hoping to use- no frozen available just yet- on some of my Don Principe daughters.

Maryanna Haymon
www.marydellfarm.com
2007 USEF Breeder of the Year!

[dbaygirl]

TKR well the world does not consist of just english speaking people "roll eyes". Start thinking first before judging.

For Heaven's Sakes, she was asking a SIMPLE question...a SIMPLE answer would have sufficed. Obviously, the question was asked BECAUSE she had THOUGHT about it and could not fathom an answer because not all of us are as well travelled or educated as others, thus the question. One cannot JUDGE until one acquires facts upon which to make an opinion which may lead to a judgement call.

Frankly, I opened this thread because I found the name shocking as well. Many people would. After reading the simple/informative responses from other more courteous posters.... point understood, no offence taken. No rudeness intended, but you need to take your own advice in this instance. (not rolling eyes)

[smm20]

I have an uncle named Christ. And it is pronounced just like everyone else says. He comes from a religious, American/Canadian family in North Dakota. I've also met several Christs from the (Lutheran) upper midwest. It seems like it was a popular name a generation or two ago.

Edited to add - I've also heard it as a nickname for Christopher. Krista is the female form.

Another edit (I'm on a roll) - Don't forget that Jesus (hay-suce) is a popular name in Latin America!

[Seven-up]

Shocking? It's not like his name is Baby Eater.:winkgrin: Hate to see what y'all would do when reading about a Mexican guy named Jesus. (Hay-seus):lol:

[TKR]

How very kind of some of you to enlighten me with your great wisdom and eye rolling contempt! How clever you are! Actually, we have a very strong hispanic/Mexican population here -- I'm very familiar with the use of "Jesus" as the name of a boy along those lines. Just for your future reference, I can read, write, have indoor plumbing, wear shoes and have all of my God-given teeth. Thanks so much for your kindness in answering a simple question!
PennyG

[StarflowerStables]

Can anyone provide a link to this stallion named Christ? lol....I'd like to check him out!!

Thanks = )

[Seven-up]

How very kind of some of you to enlighten me with your great wisdom and eye rolling contempt! How clever you are! Actually, we have a very strong hispanic/Mexican population here -- I'm very familiar with the use of "Jesus" as the name of a boy along those lines. Just for your future reference, I can read, write, have indoor plumbing, wear shoes and have all of my God-given teeth. Thanks so much for your kindness in answering a simple question!
PennyG

Lighten up a little! Who said anything about shoes and teeth? Where did that come from? I can't speak for the eye roller, but as far as my post was concerned, it was a joke. Hence all the little round happy faces :lol::);):D:winkgrin:
It sure wasn't intended to push you over the edge. Take a deep breath and laugh a little. It's good for you.

[avadog]

I'm glad to hear the name has other connotations for Germans. Unfortunately, the name has decidedly religious connotations in the English-speaking world and I do think it may have an affect on the owners' ability to market him internationally.

Anybody who picks a stallion on the name alone deserves to not breed to this fabulous stallion. I personally don't know of a single person who does this. Again, the world doesn't revolve around the US. I looked at him when he went though the auction but he quickly was out of my price range. He is a gorgeous stallion.

[alexandra]

I am sorry that I came across harsh in the first place. I have had so many attacks on this forum about not knowing english well enough that I react a bit tense on comments that look at everything from a english speaking side without consideration about a different meaning in the other environment.

[Indy-lou]

Well, the original poster used the phrase "why on earth" would anyone name a horse "Christ", and admitted being "unsettled" by the usage. Thus being educated as to the various usages of the name, and being enlightened as to the many cultural uses of the name, not being limited to a very small segment of the world's population, i.e. in the United States, I hope that folks will see that not everyone in the world will react to the name in the same limited way, with the same limited understanding. No offence intended, just acknowledging that the world is larger than the U.S. and it's apparent blindness on the use of the name "Christ" in other parts of the world. It's a perfectly nice name, and not exclusively a religious one.

[stoicfish]

http://www.gestuet-sprehe.de/
Hit the British flag and then follow the link.

I cannot find his test results. But he is not part of the jumper program, which is surprising.

[Crosiadore Farm]

From Horse-gate.com

Probably more info. then you wanted, but I could not link directly to the horse-gate page. If you would like to go there directly:

www.horse-gate.com

Then click on the following.
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Click on 2008
Then go the HLP Schlieckau
30-Tage-Test (19.11.-28.12.08)

Scores are as follows. (There were some very nice stallions in this group to compare too.)

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Hengst Lebensnummer Vater Muttervater Int. Schr. Trab Gal. Ritt. Spr.
Aston Martin DNK333TR0501139 8 8,06 7,88 8,19 7,88 7,31
Biedermeier DE 441410563804 Belissimo M Rubinstein I 8,5 7,88 9 8,94 9,38 7,44
Cadelbosco DE 431317236705 Contendro I Graf Top I 8 6,69 6,81 7 7,88 9
Cadensky DE 418180163203 8,25 6,94 6,5 7,94 7,63 10
Cairo (NLD) DE 433330748805 8 7,06 7 7,81 7,75 8,5
Chaccomo DE 418180082405 Chacco-Blue Contender 8,5 8 6,69 8,19 7,88 9,25
Christ DE 431316503605 Competent Picard 8,38 8,31 8,5 8,94 8,63 7,88
Contrast DE 421000330105 8,5 7,44 6,69 7,81 8,13 8,38
Cousteau DE 409090097305 Hohenstein Marduc 8,25 7,69 7,84 7,8 7,55 7,78
Don Larnels NLD003NL0500325 8,25 6,88 7,5 7,88 8,5 7,19
Don Primus DE 431319756605 Don Primero Sandro Hit 8,63 8,06 8,44 8,88 8,75 7,81
Edesso DE 421000602405 Esteban xx Laurenz 7,75 6,38 5,5 7,13 6,88 8,13
Fackeltanz DE 433330506905 Florencio I Feinbrand 8,38 8,63 8,69 8,31 8,75 7,56
Flipper-Sun FRA00103133389R 7,88 6,75 6,38 7,5 7,5 9,19
Fontenay DE 441410758204 Fidermark Rubinstein I 8,75 7,81 7,75 7,69 8,38 6,94
For Europe DE 421000013205 7,63 7,38 6,75 7,75 7,38 9,56
Grand Passion DE 409090156005 Oliver Twist Polarion 7,88 8,69 8,63 9 8,75 8,31
Hamilton DE 409090045505 Distelzar Fahnenträger II 8,25 8,13 8,63 8,31 8,88 8,31
Hanko P.M.S. DE 410101038904 Harras Calido I 7,13 7,13 7,25 8,25 6,5 8,31
High Crown DE 433330031205 7,88 6,81 7,06 7,25 7,13 6,69
Invincible Sir DE 409090017804 8,13 7,94 7,56 7,38 8 7,94
Landbäcker DE 418180143003 8,38 7,94 7,13 7,5 7,75 9,38
Lenny Boy DE 433331338605 Lancado D´Olympic 8,63 8,19 7,25 7,75 8 9
Monseigneur DE 409090023005 Cadeau Herzzauber 8 8 6,94 8 7,38 7,81
Quimaro DE 433331519605 Quidam´s Rubin Corofino I 8,25 7,81 6,94 8,5 7,75 8,75
Quintino DE 421000402705 8,13 7,38 6,31 7 7,63 8,38
Royal Schufro DE 433331530305 Royal Hit Don Schufro 8,63 8,69 8,13 8,75 8,25 6,63
Sambo DE 441411385605 7,75 7,75 7 7,5 7,75 6,63
Sarkozy DE 431310016605 Sandro Hit Weltmeye 8,88 9,25 8,69 9,31 8,88 6,13
Seminole DE 431312322504 Stolzenberg Calypso II 7,63 7,13 6,19 8,13 7,25 9,13
Sife-Dias DE 441411921605 7,63 6,5 6 6,94 6,25 7,44
Singolo DE 409090155605 Oliver Twist Biotop 8,25 7,88 8,63 8,25 8,13 7,06
Sixten Langholt DNK333DW0502304 7,88 8,19 8,25 7,81 8 6,69
Soliman de Hus DE 431310025005 Sandro Hit Donnerhall 9,38 8,13 8,88 9,06 9,63 7,31
Statesman DE 433330752005 Stedinger Donnerschwee 9,13 7,88 9,13 9,63 9,63 6,63
Sting vd Withoeve DE 431317407505 Stolzenberg Escudo I 7,63 7,06 6,19 7,06 7 9,25
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[mmt]

I suspect we will be seeing more of Christ this year, and I am looking forward to it as I believe he is being sent to a dressage trainer. :winkgrin:

[cloudyandcallie]

How about all the people named "Jesus"? which is pronounced "hey-sus."
"American" is not the only language in the world, so who are we to determine who names his/her horse anything?
And Lord was a very famous WB in europe.

I'd be more concerned with horses named "Satan" and "Devil's Bag" (the latter was a good racehorse here.

[stolensilver]

I think it is a sign of the times when people use religious names for animals. IMHO it is a lack of respect. And while I understand that there are thousands of languages other than English it does seem naive if I'm being generous or attention-seeking if I am being cynical to choose the name Christ for a horse. I believe that whoever chose that name knew what Christ meant in the most commonly spoken language in the world and chose the name on purpose. IMO it is wrong.

Using Jesus as a name for a person is different. Jesus was a name long before the Son of God appeared on earth. Using a name as a name is fine. The word Christ is not a name. It is a title, something unique and something earned. To give that title to someone or something that has not earned it feels very uncomfortable to me.

[loshad]

SS, you might want to read the replies -- apparently in the horse's country of origin Christ is pronounced "Kris" and is a fairly common name for people, as well as the name of a jewellery company. Had they named the horse "Christus," you might have a case.

[Tiki]

Some of you people need to get over yourselves. There are a large number of people - even in this English speaking country - with a surname of Christ - pronounced with a short 'i'. Do you all go around asking them if they named themselves after Christ??

[stoicfish]

Thank-you Crosiadore for the results.
Do they mark easier on the 30 d then say the 300? There is a lot of 8's,9's, and a 10. The 300 day test an 8 is high and 9 is a super jumper and few are awarded those.

[Kareen]

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on SPT scores no matter what. Seen too many yucky walks scoring above 7 and way too many really pigheaded characters scoring high in the interieur department as well as the other way around.
The SPT these days is mostly about who survives it and among the survivors what matters is who sent in the most entries and how much are they expecting to make with them.

To stolensilver: I can assure you none of the horse names you might relate to religion are meant that way. Lord is mostly used as a synonyme for Count here and all the 'Lords' in horsebreeding have been named so in an attempt to relate them to nobility. Christ the horse has most definitely no religious meaning to it in this country I can assure you and in most German horse breeders reality American religious matters play little to no role. I therefor think it seems a bit over the top to take religious offense when all offense is based on a double-meaning created by taking the name out of context.
A while ago we had a discussion up here I remember about why the owners of Winterprinz opted to rename him after importation when 'Windy's Ass' was a perfectly acceptable name to have in Germany (as a reference to his breeders the Windeler family and Ass or As meaning Ace (just like in Pik As xx) where, while on you would probably risk being kicked out of the showring on your end. *LOL*
Sorry but if you keep up this attitude you'll probably continue to have your feelings hurt without people even realising what you are talking about.
And no I don't think either that this particular stallions frozen semen sales are going to suffer from him being named what he is.

[Kareen]

PS Christ is Hanoverian and went to the main licensing at Verden in 2007 from where he was purchased by the Sprehe stud. His female lineage goes back as far as 1900 and he was bred by Gerhard Wehrs from Lehrte (near Hanover) who already bred his sire Competent who was stationed with Heike Kemmer before her father died and the stallion station was shut down.
His first progeny were only born this year so it will be a while before we see the first ones out under saddle.
Competent however has his oldest offspring born in 2002 and they already excell in all disciplines. The only downside from the breeding point of view is that they can be rather small which makes marketing them difficult unless you hold on to them for a little longer.
If anybody is interested in the bloodlines further back it continues Picard-Daimyo xx-Asiate-Wahlmann-Jagdflug-Kortum-Neringo I-Amerland-Alcohol (now speaking of freakish names *LOL*)

[ThirdCharm]

[QUOTE=stolensilver;4231923]I believe that whoever chose that name knew what Christ meant in the most commonly spoken language in the world and chose the name on purpose. QUOTE]

Really? What does it mean in Chinese?

Jennifer

[cloudyandcallie]

For many year some religions prohibited naming children "Mary."

I hope the stud is a good one. Just pronounce it with a hard "C" and don't worry about the name.

[TKR]

My intention as the OP was simply to ask a question regarding the horse's name. My response to it was based on my cultural and religious preference and was not intended to be judgemental or imply that my feelings were necessarily shared by someone of another culture or faith. However, I don't think my question or reaction to the name deserved the many posts that were so negative or attacking me in that regard. It wasn't as though I were saying "kill the infidels!" -- just my question and observation. He's a lovely stallion and I wish him and his owners and fans well with him. However, I don't apologize for my reaction either. Those who are so "worldly" might consider a more benign approach to answering a simple question that has some logic and merit without the antagonist, critical and negative attitude. We all have a background that influences our points of view -
Cheers,
PennyG

[stolensilver]

TKR I'm too cynical to believe that this stallion was named with no knowledge of what the name meant in English. There are Highnesses and Lords and Sirs in abundance. What better way to go one better than that? I don't like it but then I find calling a horse Sir pretty silly too.

[JoZ]

I believe that whoever chose that name knew what Christ meant in the most commonly spoken language in the world and chose the name on purpose.

Really? What does it mean in Chinese?

Jennifer

Dang, you beat me to it! :lol:

I tend to think that a stallion owner would NOT try to offend people, which makes me think they didn't intend to be offensive, but of course I might be over-simplifying...

[RedMare01]

TKR I'm too cynical to believe that this stallion was named with no knowledge of what the name meant in English. There are Highnesses and Lords and Sirs in abundance. What better way to go one better than that? I don't like it but then I find calling a horse Sir pretty silly too.

Are you serious? :lol:

On the other hand, I had not seen this stallion before, and he looks really lovely. Is there any video of him anywhere?

Caitlin

[dmalbone]

Wow... curious what all the fuss was about. Saw the name in the title and assumed it was pronounced like the boys name Chris with a T on the end.

The word christ existed in greek and latin forms before the Christian's were known as Christians and before they appropriated that word as their own. (oxford dictionary)

Chinese trumps english BY FAR as the most widely spoken language with Chinese at 1,075,000,000 and English at 514,000,000 (Ethnologue 13th ed.), so that comment just deserves a little bit of the "get off your high horse there".

[DownYonder]

Penny, the first time I saw this horse's name, I thought "WTF"? Then I saw that he was owned by Sprehe, which sort of explained it, in a way. ;) Then I learned how it was pronounced. :lol:

He looks and sounds like a really nice horse and some friends of mine are quite high on him. Maybe we will see some of his foals here one of these days.

[Cloverbarley]

[QUOTE=stolensilver;4231923]I believe that whoever chose that name knew what Christ meant in the most commonly spoken language in the world and chose the name on purpose. QUOTE]

Really? What does it mean in Chinese?

Jennifer

"Christ" is "Jī dū" in Mandarin :). I'm loving the irony that it would be okay to use the name Jesus but not Christ; how can the last name be offensive but a first name isn't? :confused:

Anyway, he looks like a lovely stallion from what I've seen and I'm sure he has many admirers who couldn't care less what his name is or what it means in this language or that language.

[analise]

[QUOTE=ThirdCharm;4232218]

"Christ" is "Jī dū" in Mandarin :). I'm loving the irony that it would be okay to use the name Jesus but not Christ; how can the last name be offensive but a first name isn't? :confused:

Anyway, he looks like a lovely stallion from what I've seen and I'm sure he has many admirers who couldn't care less what his name is or what it means in this language or that language.

It's because it isn't His surname. Jesus was Christ. Someone named Bob could've been Christ if it hadn't been Jesus. He was not born with the name Jesus Christ the way someone might be born John Smith. Like someone else said, Christ is more of a title. That's why you might sometimes hear the reference as "the Christ". Or at least, I have.

On the language thing: Yeah, Chinese is spoken by more people but I imagine if you go to Italy and don't speak Italian you're far more likely to find someone who speaks English and not Mandarin or Cantonese. Or Russia. Or Paraguay. Or Mali. So that's what I would think when I hear "most widely spoken" as opposed to "spoken by the most number of people".

All of that said, while I don't find the naming of the stallion 'offensive', especially considering the meaning in his country of origin is completely different than what an English-speaking Christian would think of upon seeing the name written down, that doesn't mean when I first saw the thread my thought wasn't, "somebody named a horse Christ (with the long 'i')??? That's pretty ballsy."

[alexandra]

SS, you might want to read the replies -- apparently in the horse's country of origin Christ is pronounced "Kris" and is a fairly common name for people, as well as the name of a jewellery company. Had they named the horse "Christus," you might have a case.
It is pronounced in exactly the very same way as in christ in Christmas with a t and short i.

[Beezer]

Call me sacrilegious -- and many have ;) -- but I have been known to gasp, "OH CHRIST" when making an unfortunate bid for the long one, so on name alone, this stallion deserves a look. :lol: Perhaps he might sire some foals who understand and can cope with my curious affliction. :p

I would never have thought a thing of the name until the "what were they thinking??" posts here. Because, truly, me and mine got far more mileage out of Pik As, WeinerWald, the assorted -pfarts and many other names that simply do not translate to the English language.

In short: Get over yourselves. I am **quite sure** that there are many an English-named horse whose moniker does not translate to other languages. And I am sure I could find multiple examples if only I were fluent in enough languages!

[loshad]

Alexandra -- if you say it's pronounced like in Christmas you'll confuse us "American" speakers because most of us pronounce it to sound like Kris-mas (no t). ;)

Beezer -- been there, done that. Sadly, I think the ruckus over a stallion named OH SH$%! would make this look tame.

[Forte]

This stallion's name doesn't bother me one bit. However, I have to admit I blush whenever I hear "For Play"'s name. :lol:

[Janeway]

Because, truly, me and mine got far more mileage out of Pik As, WeinerWald!

Weinerwald was the sire of my old horse! I remembering giggling at the name as a kid. Had to keep reminding myself it just meant Vienna World....

Speaking of questionable horse names, anyone remember the eventer "Son of a Bitch"? :D I always loved how he was named that because he was really the son of one!

[Forte]

Wald means forest. So wouldn't Wienerwald mean Viennese Forest? It's actually quite pretty

[DownYonder]

I always loved Capt. Call's mare's name from Lonesome Dove - "the Hellbitch".

I've known a few of those! :lol:

[Janeway]

I like that much better Forte! Funny, all these years and I thought it meant world... but now that i think about it, world is "Welt" right?

[alexandra]

Welt is world and Wald is forrest.

In german language often nouns are "constructed" by adding them together.
e.g.
Waldfee would be fairy of the forrest
or Weltgeist I would translate as spirit of the world
Therefore you find a lot of these horses with Welt or Wald in front. And my guess most Welt... are sired by Weltmeyer and a lot of Walds maybe by Waldhorn, Waldmeister ( a whole bunch of "Wald"-stallion in the 70ties)

[Mozart]

Call me sacrilegious -- and many have ;) -- but I have been known to gasp, "OH CHRIST" when making an unfortunate bid for the long one, so on name alone, this stallion deserves a look. :lol: Perhaps he might sire some foals who understand and can cope with my curious affliction. :p



LOL. I suffer from a similar affliction. And yes, similar sacreligous words emanate from my mouth. Maybe he heard that over and over and now thinks that is his name? Like the dog who thinks his name is "NoBuddyNo"

[StarflowerStables]

I too would like to see a video of Christ! I really like the look of him, he's beautiful!

[Kayleigh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqGXr_ppWO4

[Kayleigh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqJKbfSFzGA

[Sunnydays]

Wow - what a trot - and airborne canter. Reminded me of Contendro. Handsome stallion

[Walnut Farm]

I just filmed a handsome Crist colt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MGeJ32xEls

I think the stallion himself is very interesting for breeding, and I know one of his riders loved his ridability and trainability.

[Kayleigh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewu7n9615U

[Crosiadore Farm]

I love that video of the Christ/Donnerhall! Had seen it awhile back but when I tried to find it again to show a friend, I could not! Thanks for posting.

There are also some nice Christ foals in the upcoming Hanoverian and Oldenburg Elite foal Auctions in August. And there was a super Christ/Landadel filly that went through the last Auction in Oldenburg. That filly could move!

[Kayleigh]

It was a really nice mover that Filly on the Auction !
I belive Christ will be one of the top stallions of the next decade !

[Kayleigh]

Wow Christ Colt sold for 30.000 € on south germans elite Auction !
Vechta top 18.000 € !

[Kayleigh]

sorry Verden