RPSI vs OLD vs BWP. WTF?

[gubbyz]

With all due respect, what is the preference between these registries? I have an imported branded SF mare due in august to deliver a foal by Redwine. He is approved by these registries. Any big difference? Personal preference? Prettiest brand? :lol:

[Mythology]

:lol: I like the BWP brand the best. It's very symmetrical and still interesting. I have horses registered in all of these registries and I have had good experiences with all three. Check out the approvial sites and find the one that suits your needs.

[YankeeLawyer]

I am not going to get into brand snobbery, but some things you might consider are the extent to which a particular registry supports its breeders, proximity of inspection sites, and the availability of programs that promote the development of sport horses. Because networking is an important aspect of effective marketing and provides opportunities to learn from fellow breeders, you might prefer a registry that is favored by breeders you know and admire, or whose programs you would like to emulate, as those are the people who will be attending the same inspections, conventions, etc. that you do (to the extent you choose to be an active member). Also, I would consider the long-term viability of the registry in this country, to the extent that can be evaluated, so as to avoid encountering a situation such as the disappearance of the US affiliate of the SF registry.

In addition, should you have plans to breed a Redwine filly or colt at some point, consider how the choice of registry might (or might not) impact the selection of a match for that horse. For example, if you have a filly and get her registered RPSI, would she have more or less stallion options available to her than she would if registered OLD-NA (assuming you would want papers for the resulting foal)?

[Edgar]

I think it is just who you like to work with the best, which inspection is closest and maybe whether they have an awards program you might take advantage off. That last breeding example does not even matter as they all accept mares and stallions for breeding from each other.

[sixpoundfarm]

That last breeding example does not even matter as they all accept mares and stallions for breeding from each other.


Not necessarily Edgar, IE: The KWPN does not recognize RPSI or OLD Na as Erkend studbooks, so if you bred your RPSI registered mare to an approved KWPN stallion, I believe Reg. B is the only option for the foal.
(A good friend of mine just inquired about this. To further complicate, the mare herself is by a Foalbook KWPN stallion, o/o a TB mother, but registered RPSI. Same mare w/ GOV papers could have Reg. A foals)

[Edgewood]

Not necessarily Edgar, IE: The KWPN does not recognize RPSI or OLD Na as Erkend studbooks, so if you bred your RPSI registered mare to an approved KWPN stallion, I believe Reg. B is the only option for the foal.
(A good friend of mine just inquired about this. To further complicate, the mare herself is by a Foalbook KWPN stallion, o/o a TB mother, but registered RPSI. Same mare w/ GOV papers could have Reg. A foals)

I thought AHS too does not necessarily accept ISR/RPSI, etc. They have to approve the pedigree first.

[Edgar]

If you read the OP you see that KWPN and AHS are not options, I am talking about the options for this subject. For the other registries it depends on the pedigree.

[YankeeLawyer]

As I only have horses registered with AHS and KWPN, coincidentally, most of my experience is with these registries and that is why I raised the issue as I was not sure if the other registries have similar restrictions (and why I said "might (or might not) impact"). Also, a lot of people reading these boards may have a similar dilemma and not realize that their situation may be distinct in a material way from the OPs, and thus choice of registry would impact their future options.

[Edgar]

Since WTF is not an accepted option OLDNA seems like the most mainstream considering the comments...

[ShannonD]

Maybe I'm missing something, but Redwine isn't approved BWP. So that crosses off that option :)

http://www.belgianwarmblood.com/bwp_stallions.htm

[FriesianX]

I'd go with WTF...

In all seriousness, I think OldNA gives you more options than RPSI. But it also depends on how active a registry is in your area (both geographically and by the discipline of choice).

[NoDQhere]

Not to go down the road of "huge fight about registries", but I'll put a vote in for RPSI. Since it is a German Verband, I think it will be accepted more than a non-European Registry. (by other European Verbands)

It has a pretty brand too ;)

[gubbyz]

Maybe I will just brand a big smiley face on his/her a$$ :). Or a giant $ sign with a circle around it and a line through it. I'm starting my own registry. And it will be the WTF registry. All aboard!

[eyesontheground]

Maybe I will just brand a big smiley face on his/her a$$ :). Or a giant $ sign with a circle around it and a line through it. I'm starting my own registry. And it will be the WTF registry. All aboard!

I'm in!

[FriesianX]

Maybe I will just brand a big smiley face on his/her a$$ :). Or a giant $ sign with a circle around it and a line through it. I'm starting my own registry. And it will be the WTF registry. All aboard!

I'm in Nor-Cal too - count me in, and add me to the registry board of directors:eek: My horses are now officially branded WTF!

[sporthorsefilly]

First you need to wait and see which registry accepts the stallion that you have bred to.

Secondly BWP accepts Non-BWP stallions http://www.belgianwarmblood.com/bwp_NonBWP_stallions.html

Thirdly, American BWP approved stallions are fully accepted in Belgium and BWP is acceptable to other European Registries.

Fourth: BWP took all the SF horses into their registry when SF in the US ended

Lastly, BWP has some really good people who work hard, to make the registry worthwhile. We also have some lovely stallions and mares too!

[gubbyz]

eyesontheground and fresianx welcome to WTF registry! Now pour your self a strong one and let the first meeting come to order! :winkgrin:

[KBEquine]

eyesontheground and fresianx welcome to WTF registry! Now pour your self a strong one and let the first meeting come to order! :winkgrin:

Wait. Is the brand shaped like a shot glass? No, wait. Perhaps a rocks glass . . . May I join, too & nominate my stallion for, er, approval? (he'll just have a beer, if that's okay).

[Faiths CremelloWB]

You guys are too much. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[florida foxhunter]

I'm with NoDQhere............As far as I know, the only extra you may have is joining the new registry (other than the one you initially register her with) and having your mare approved where the stallion you choose is also approved (if she's not already approved in another registry)...if everything else is equal (inspection location proximity to your farm, etc) I believe all your above referenced registries papers are recognized by the others.

Although, I admit, it is cheaper in the long run to stick with one registry (for instance I am taking my two mares/foals to the RPSI in Tallahassee this month vs. the Oldenburg Verband in Ocala............because I'm happy with the registry, their people and service, but ALSO because it would have cost me to rejoin the Oldenburg Verband, get the mare approved in THEIR mare book (already paid to have this OLDENBURG mare approved in RPSI's for last year's foal)...plus drive there hours each way (gas and time expense) plus a motel cost and meals. In this economy I felt this was the right decision for me.

[FriesianX]

I'm with NoDQhere............As far as I know, the only extra you may have is joining the new registry

Ahhhh, you are talking about joining the WTF registry? It is going to be a wonderful registry, we'll have the best brand of all. Virtual inspections highly recommended, no risk of injury UNLESS you fall off your computer chair after "one too many":winkgrin: WTF!

[TrueColours]

I'm getting my TB mare who is bred to Redwine for a 2010 foal, approved OLD as I feel for myself, with future breedings down the road, that gives me the best stallion selection for her, and I will also attempt to get her AHS approved as well to open up the options even further

Luckily she is down in PA and still fit and being ridden, so there are a lot of options for both of those registries, for her to go to ... :)

I am also looking at it "down the road as well". If the resultant foal is a colt and worthy enough to possibly be stallion material, which of the available registries are my best bet - marketability wise - for that colt? And IMO, OLD would give me the best bang for my buck ...

[Portia]

In the WTF registry, are you going to be branding the horses or the breeders? ;)

[andy.smaga]

Fourth: BWP took all the SF horses into their registry when SF in the US ended
They are smart!!! go with BWP:yes:

Regarding the new registry "WTF", new members please send $1,000 per horse to my personal bank account:winkgrin:

[STF]

If you breeding for potential breed stock, then you need to go with a registry that is universal recongized. Reason is, you may foal a filly and the buyer may want to breed that filly eventually to stallion within, say the GOV or AHS, so you want a registry that the other registry will recongize. If your not breeding for breed stock, then its not an issue, go with whoever is easier for you.

[STF]

As for the Whadafuenburgs............ Im sure there is a brand out there for them somewhere.

[KBEquine]

In the WTF registry, are you going to be branding the horses or the breeders? ;)

Brands for the horses, brandy for the breeders.

I'm SO liking this new registry!

[moonrisestables]

I am sooooooo joining this one!!!!!!

[chaotic mind]

I just have to say no matter what registry you join at dome point you will swear they are really the WTF registry. That out of the way if you want a breed that is recognized internationlly for top jumpers BWP.

[FriesianX]

I just have to say no matter what registry you join at dome point you will swear they are really the WTF registry..

Ah, but there is ONLY ONE real WTF registry! I'll drink to that :lol:

[gubbyz]

WTF needs an official brand!

$ sign with a circle and a line through it,
shot glass, or martini glass, (one for premium one for the other loser book)
smiley face,
skull and crossbones

lets vote! :lol:

Inspections will take place over an obstacle course while running with a glass of wine or beverage of your choice and judged on how much is still in the glass after passing the finish line. Oh and of course on how shiny your horse is and how pretty the tail is!

[DownYonder]

I vote for the Martini glass! :lol:

[Mythology]

I vote for a big up raised middle finger... or 2:lol:

[FriesianX]

WTF needs an official brand!

$ sign with a circle and a line through it,



I vote for this one!

[RyTimMick]

Personally, I would worry more about who I was planning on breeding her too, and less who she was in foal too. Most of those registries don't care, and Redwine is approved in all of those you mentioned. However, if you wanted to breed to ie: Cunningham, you would want to make sure he was approved in that Registry. Then I would make sure the inspection tour comes close to my location. After that I don't think much else matters.

Tim

[Nootka]

WTF needs an official brand!

$ sign with a circle and a line through it,
shot glass, or martini glass, (one for premium one for the other loser book)
smiley face,
skull and crossbones

lets vote! :lol:

Inspections will take place over an obstacle course while running with a glass of wine or beverage of your choice and judged on how much is still in the glass after passing the finish line. Oh and of course on how shiny your horse is and how pretty the tail is!

Don't forget the colored horses that are the first, only, bestest colors win before the others.

[selah]

WTF needs an official brand!

$ sign with a circle and a line through it,

I'm afraid this one might run in to copyright infringement...too close to the ISR brand (without the strike through it, of course).
Example of ISR brand:
http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww246/Selahwayfarm/pfate048_edited-1.jpg

What about a brand of this face:cool:instead? The implication will mean only the coolest competitors ride WTF branded horses:yes:

[gubbyz]

Ok, :cool: this brand for premium

:dead: for not so premium.

and yes, that is what the books will be called. :lol:

[FriesianX]

Ok, :cool: this brand for premium

:dead: for not so premium.

and yes, that is what the books will be called. :lol:

If we use "dressage terminology", that would be Premium:eek:, Fairly Premium;), and No So Premium:no::lol:

Big fluffy tails earn points, loud color earns points, double dilute earns DOUBLE points, and if the handler presents them in a tan shadbelly with purple stripes, they are automatic high point of the day!

[Mythology]

I think the books should be
Totally Breedable
Shouldn't be bred
Mule (Get it- not breedable/infertile, haha)
OK so it sounds funny in my head:lol:

And I would pay to see that shadbelly...

[dilligaff2]

My only addition to this would be the:

"What Were You Thinking??!?" book

[selah]

My only addition to this would be the:

"What Where You Thinking??!?" book

...also fondly known as the Barnum book (something about circus sideshow & suckers being born every minute:winkgrin:)

[DownYonder]

I vote for the following mare books:


WOW!
Pretty Nice
Okay (nothing to write home about)
Marginal (so-so)
Yuck (spay her)


Foals from WOW! and Pretty Nice mares are eligible for premium foal awards. The ones that actually are awarded premiums are branded with the Martini glass w/olive brand. Those that don’t make premium have a Martini glass brand with no olive.

Okay mares cannot have Premium foals but their foals can receive regular WTF registration papers. Their foals can be branded with the Wine glass brand.

Foals from Marginal and Yuck mares will get COPs and a beer mug brand (full mug for foals from Marginal mares, empty mug for foals from Yuck mares).

Fillies from Marginal and Yuck mares are only eligible for the Okay mare book at maturity.

Only colts from WOW! and Pretty Nice mares can be considered for stallion licensing.

:lol::D:winkgrin::cool:;)

[FriesianX]

http://wtfregistry.vpweb.com/default.html

Definately need to work on the rules and books, but a start:D

[Kimberlee]

http://wtfregistry.vpweb.com/default.html

Definately need to work on the rules and books, but a start:D

OMG - I am going to die laughing, right here at my keyboard!!!!!!

[Edgar]

Good work FriesianX
I do not think the rules need much change, Heck if somebody does not like it, well WTF...

[sid]

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[selah]

OMG:lol::lol::lol:can't breathe:lol::lol:

[gubbyz]

So seriously...do we stand a chance with WTF? I will make a branding iron...

[gubbyz]

Oh and please everyone feel free to ad WTF to your signature, hell give yourself a title! Sorry, I took inventor! Fresianx definately president!

[FriesianX]

I'll take Director as a title - we can have more than one Director, anyone interested. Gubby - you can even be Founder of the Registry, I'm sure that sounds much more important:winkgrin:

[gubbyz]

Oh yes founder! Me likes that!
We need a treasurer, preferably the town gambler,
inspector, maybe the town drunk,
recorder, how about the town gossip,
oh I'm sure theres more...

[FriesianX]

Maybe Edgar will join us and give us a little credibility ;)

[pintopiaffe]

Can I be security? I mean, there's going to be scandal, and misuse of funds and all, isn't there? And MY Ponies get double extra points for manes, pinto AND double dilute. :yes:

Oh, and I shall personally sponsor the Redneck Breeder of the Year Award.

Can be for the worst/best tale of who'syurDaddy, (or, I suppose, who's yo' Momma--two categories or one? )

Inbreeding will be referred to linebreeding, unless it's incest, and that's wrong, even here.

Double extra points for the who'surDaddy who come out with spots of any sort. :yes:

[3Dogs]

:D:D:lol::lol::lol::D:D:D

a genius registry

[pintopiaffe]

3Dogs, I just HAVE To say, your siggy is my favorite on the planet.

(um, and NOT because if you just make dog plural, it applies... :uhoh: )

[selah]

Oh yes founder! Me likes that!
We need a treasurer, preferably the town gambler,
inspector, maybe the town drunk,
recorder, how about the town gossip,
oh I'm sure theres more...

*hic* :p I'd like to apply for the position of inshpector!

[sid]

:lol::lol: Will this silliness ever stop? I hope not...:p. This thread is just crazy funny.

[vineyridge]

But, but, my mares would be not eligible for points, much less extra points. All I have are boring, plain bays with non-fluffy tails and no white at all. Boring, boring. All of the dapples get sunbleached out by early summer. Now it's true that they both have four functional legs, and one is "cute", but, oh hell, WTF! I'll register them with WTF anyway, even if they only reach the Yuck book.

Does "cute" count?

Forgot. One has a very fluffy forelock. That's the cute one. Can she get extra points toward moving out of the Yuck book.

My suggestion for the brand is the raised middle finger that was suggested before. Or the wall with two circles and a long droopy "nose" hanging over it.

[gubbyz]

This is almost as good as the Redneck Yacht club"!

[FriesianX]

But, but, my mares would be not eligible for points, much less extra points. All I have are boring, plain bays with non-fluffy tails and no white at all. Boring, boring. All of the dapples get sunbleached out by early summer. Now it's true that they both have four functional legs, and one is "cute", but, oh hell, WTF! I'll register them with WTF anyway, even if they only reach the Yuck book.

Does "cute" count?

Forgot. One has a very fluffy forelock. That's the cute one. Can she get extra points toward moving out of the Yuck book.

My suggestion for the brand is the raised middle finger that was suggested before. Or the wall with two circles and a long droopy "nose" hanging over it.

Hmmmm, I'll have to play around with brand designs - or anyone else can email me a picture of a suitable brand on a suitable butt (remember, that means on the butt of a horse with AT LEAST the mandatory 4 legs) - might be able to do the "Kilroy" brand (wall and droopy nose). I'll try to do a web update in the afternoon;)

And points - well, the Directors and Members need to start developing a point system. Cute should count for foal points! And remember, dapples count, as long as you can show documentation - a Spring picture is good enough for inshpection - well, I better check with the Inshpection Director on that :D I think she is, ahem, a bit tipsy right now... Selah???

[selah]

Whoaaa...I'm sleeping on the job already! WTF:p

It is the opinion of the inspection committee that photo verification of dapples will be accepted as long as the owner presenting said horse also appears in the photo. For example:
http://chanraymond.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/BrunoHorse.jpg

Viney, as far as plain horses with thin tails (you poor sod) there is hope for you in the WTF registry:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/3386/makeup.html

Horses such as this will receive extra "rideability points":
http://theregulator.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/horse_limousine.jpg

I'm exhausted after all that work!
WTF, it's 5:00 somewhere!

[sid]

:lol::lol::lol:. Oh, my Lord. So you've been in rehab for 17 years? Good for you...you finally "made it".:winkgrin:

I still can't stop laughing hysterically (alone, btw) every time I see a new post on this thread.

[Mythology]

First: Is makeup legal? Cause I can work with that!!:lol:

Second: When photographing a horse and half naked guy for a professional photo shoot- Please remove all hoof coverage used for light trail riding and when shoes are lost! However, if you can get a cute half naked guy to ride your stallion bareback during the keuring/approvals then he should be automatically lifetime approved and the guy can be auctioned off!! All money to benefit WTF registry, a non-profit orginization!:)

Third: I vote that anyone who uses the phrase "all Stallions professionally handled by a parelli level 1 certified trainer" should be excluded and publically shunned.:yes:

[JWB]

Where would Molly fit into the WTF registry? She was born with 4 legs but now has 3 1/2.

She does have lots of fluff and dapples and earns lots of cuteness points.
http://stallionstation.com/ss/images/molly.jpg

[FriesianX]

OK guys, I got a few email warnings, WTF is about to REALLY take off. It was featured on Fugly's blog! WTF! I'm not sure this is a good thing, but, you know the saying now, raise your glasses, WTF!

Selah - I think we need to feature a few of those horses on our website - LOVE the family horse :lol: The white horse and white man - hmmmm, think we could get George Clooney to pose for us? Maybe on our feature horse (whose black butt is prominently modeled on our website).

JWB - Molly would gain sufficient points, as far as I'm concerned, she has 4 legs, or close enough to 4 ;)

Mythology - and Selah - I just realized EXACTLY what we need - a picture of a half-naked Parelli using a carrot stick to present a stallion on the triangle - ANYONE who can provide me with that pic for the registry gets a FREE registration. :eek:

[Tornado Run Farm]

I just realized EXACTLY what we need - a picture of a half-naked Parelli using a carrot stick to present a stallion on the triangle OMG, YOU CRACK ME UP! :lol::lol::lol: