Liver Chestnut sires

[Mythology]

I'm curious, how many/which stallions are a true liver chestnut? Is it a fairly rare color?

[2ndyrgal]

A Percheron x TB gelding that is a true liver chestnut. Since That cross usually results in gray and occasionally bay, I"d love to know the answer to this one.

[ShannonD]

Are you trying to produce a liver chestnut? Liver is just a shade of chestnut and the gene(s) that cause it, aside from the horse needing to be chestnut(ee), are not quite understood. You can breed two livers together and get a red chestnut, or breed two red chestnuts together and get a liver. It's not exactly consistent. It's not something you can test for either.

Just thought I'd throw that out there!

[Mythology]

The stallions I can think of are:
Bonheur (HAN)
Briar 899 (SWB)
Farrington (KWPN)
Quarterback (Brandenburg)

[ShannonD]

A Percheron x TB gelding that is a true liver chestnut. Since That cross usually results in gray and occasionally bay, I"d love to know the answer to this one.

Chestnut is recessive to bay, and all colors are recessive to grey. The horse simply did not get the black gene nor the bay gene. Two bay horses that turned grey can most definitely produce a chestnut as long as both were Ee Gg.

[airbourne1]

Belissimo M

[YankeeLawyer]

Stedinger is liver chestnut, though he looks black.

[ShannonD]

Stedinger is liver chestnut, though he looks black.

Some sites say liver chestnut, others say dark brown. I'm a bit confused by that, especially since I'm pretty sure Sandro Hit is homozygous black. :confused:

[Mythology]

Stedinger is liver chestnut, though he looks black.
Wow, Really? His info says Dark Brown
http://www.yancey-farms.com/Oldenburg_stallion.html
But I can't tell anything from his picture.

Is he dark chestnut? I've never seen one that dark before? Crazy!:yes:

[Mythology]

Some sites say liver chestnut, others say dark brown. I'm a bit confused by that, especially since I'm pretty sure Sandro Hit is homozygous black. :confused:

Is Sandro Hit homozygous? Come to think of it I've never seen a chestnut Sandro Hit baby...

[JB]

A Percheron x TB gelding that is a true liver chestnut. Since That cross usually results in gray and occasionally bay, I"d love to know the answer to this one.

ahhhh, I had to read this a few times, and see how Shannon took it to mean what she did, because that's how I took it the first couple of times :lol:

I now think you meant: Crossing a Perch with a TB usually results in gray sometimes bays, but you have never seen a chestnut out of this cross.

Valid observation! Most Perch's are gray, therefore many are GG, which means anything crossed with them ends up gray.

there are chestnut Perches though, so that's how your cross ended up chestnut :)

[DownYonder]

Donnerhall was a true liver chestnut. Don Schufro is a liver chestnut.

Stedinger is most definitely NOT chestnut, as his sire Sandro Hit cannot sire a chestnut.

[Go Fish]

As a side note, there are a lot of liver chestnut QHs. Not so many grays.

[YankeeLawyer]

Donnerhall was a true liver chestnut. Don Schufro is a liver chestnut.

Stedinger is most definitely NOT chestnut, as his sire Sandro Hit cannot sire a chestnut.

Well, he did not look liver chestnut to me but is listed as such on many websites (incorrectly, apparently). Sorry for the confusion. I don't care much about color so I can't say I am an expert in that area.

[MagicRoseFarm]

Beste Gold has had quite a few liver offspring, some quite dark. He is from a long line of chestnut horses.
He himself is a strange color, coppery shiney, yet dark,, like the special paint you use on cars that changes color when it drives by..Some days he is livery, others not,, same with his photos.. He also has dun and black spots, and gets white freckles in his skin on his face in the summer.. His body skin is not a solid color but where there is no hair, the skin is dark or black, ( inner thigh, legs etc)

[CrossWinds81]

How about the great, Quattro B!!??!! And threw quite a few horses that are liver chestnut

[quietann]

Wrong breed for most of you, but my Morgan mare's sire is a lovely dark liver chestnut. They are common in Morgans, and there are a lot of liver chestnuts in his background, including a couple with silvery manes/tails. It's "just another shade" but it really is lovely.

I don't know much about color modifiers, but I do wonder if his very dark color contributed to my mare being such a lovely dark shade of Palomino.

[Indy-lou]

I have seen a Briar filly that is such a dark liver chestnut, she is almost black from a distance. Really an awesome shade of chestnut!

[SteeleRdr]

Dorofino (by Donnerhall) is now a gelding, is a liver chestnut, and I have a 5 y/o liver chestnut gelding by him. I was so sad when Fin was gelded!

[perpetual_novice]

ahhhh, I had to read this a few times, and see how Shannon took it to mean what she did, because that's how I took it the first couple of times :lol:

I now think you meant: Crossing a Perch with a TB usually results in gray sometimes bays, but you have never seen a chestnut out of this cross.

Valid observation! Most Perch's are gray, therefore many are GG, which means anything crossed with them ends up gray.

there are chestnut Perches though, so that's how your cross ended up chestnut :)

I'm not sure on this. Aren't there more black rather than grey registered Perches now? I understood greys were falling out of favour somewhat as it harder to perfectly match up a hitch of greys than blacks.

A while back I was looking to purchase a chestnut/sorrel Perch mare. I think most of the chestnuts I tracked down were from black lines.

[Mythology]

Are you trying to produce a liver chestnut? Liver is just a shade of chestnut and the gene(s) that cause it, aside from the horse needing to be chestnut(ee), are not quite understood. You can breed two livers together and get a red chestnut, or breed two red chestnuts together and get a liver. It's not exactly consistent. It's not something you can test for either.

Just thought I'd throw that out there!
Thank you. I do understand the genetics, well as much as is known ;), I just was wondering how many sires there are out there that are liver and how often they throw liver. I never thought of it as a "rare" color, and I was suprised to find very few liver stallions compared to black, etc.
Thank you for the info though! :)

[Mythology]

ahhhh, I had to read this a few times, and see how Shannon took it to mean what she did, because that's how I took it the first couple of times :lol:

I now think you meant: Crossing a Perch with a TB usually results in gray sometimes bays, but you have never seen a chestnut out of this cross.

Valid observation! Most Perch's are gray, therefore many are GG, which means anything crossed with them ends up gray.

there are chestnut Perches though, so that's how your cross ended up chestnut :)

Oh that's what she meant! Thanks for clearing that up- I was confused as well:D

[Donella]

I also notice some bay stallions tend to sire a fair number of liver chestnut. Sir Donnerhall comes to mind ( I think ours this year from a black mare is liver) as well as Fidertanz and quite a few of the Wynton foals that I have seen pics of show liver.

[RiddleMeThis]

Chestnut (or rather "e") in Perch's is relatively rare. Kinda like chestnut in Frieisians, just not to the same extent. So personally I would have been VERY surprised to get a chestnut out of a Perch x anything.


Just for a small anecdote out of the 214 horses that are listed as Percherons (including some crosses),on dream horse, EIGHT are listed as being red based.

On equine.com out of 98 horses listed as Percherons (including crosses again) NONE are listed as red based.

On equinenow.com out of 176 horses listed as Percherons (including crosses again) only FIVE are listed as being red based and one of those is really bay. (Bay roan listed as red roan).

So out of 488 Perches and Perch crosses 12 are red based, or 2.5%

[HickoryHill]

Bridlewood Farm's Dacaprio is also a liver chestnut.

[zara001]

Is floriscount liver chestnut? He looks so on some pictures?