Tragic Trailering Accident [Archive]

pinkpolowraps

Jul. 10, 2009, 07:56 AM

I'm not sure why everyone is mad at this woman. Why on earth would she do something like this on purpose, or if not on purpose, why would she willingly drag a horse for 4 miles. Especially her daughter's horse? Obviously this is a very sad, tragic mistake. I too, am crying because of this article and the thought of the pain this horse endured is almost unbearable but I don't blame the woman one bit. Yes, she should have looked in her mirrors more often but who are we to judge her? Just be thankful that it didn't happen to you and if it ever does, I hope that people don't judge you like you're judging her. As for already having the girl's next horse planned, yes, that sounds a little harsh, but I can't say what I would do in that same situation. That mom has to live with this for the rest of her life. I can only hope that her daughter forgives her because that's the only thing that matters. Some of you guys need to have a heart.

trubandloki

Jul. 10, 2009, 08:04 AM

I'm not sure why everyone is mad at this woman.

I think disgusted is a better word than mad.

Did you read any of the comments associated with that article? It appears this woman has had this problem before.

Once is sad and tragic. Twice is being careless and neglectful.

DairyQueen2049

Jul. 10, 2009, 08:13 AM

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Once is sad and tragic. Twice is being careless and neglectful.

EXACTLY!!!!

Are any of us going to look at a Logan trailer again w/o thinking of this? No. :no:

Both my trailers have butt bars AND rear doors. Now I can see why.

Sick.

And this has happened to this person before????!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::ee k:

Surprised her daughter made it to age 20.

newtnoise

Jul. 10, 2009, 09:03 AM

I think disgusted is a better word than mad.

Did you read any of the comments associated with that article? It appears this woman has has this problem before.

Once is sad and tragic. Twice is being careless and neglectful.

My attitude changed when I got to that part of the article. You can't help but think there was carelessness involved.

SLW

Jul. 10, 2009, 09:23 AM

This was an accident and it could have happened to anyone who hauls a horse. Whether loading up day or night, someone has to make that one last walk around the rig to look at the tires, the hitch and the doors. The article leads me to believe it was the two 20 year old girls who did the loading and failed to secure the door.

The reporter did not make it clear who owned the horse that fell out of the trailer in the second incident- <" She was a passenger in a friend's car when a horse fell out of a trailer. In that case, the horse, a 26-year-old mare, survived."> As written, the lady has a dark cloud following her but isn't a bad horse person.

That being said, my main riding mare is a survivor of falling out of a stock trailer when the single rear door was not latched. Her owners were leaving an arena at midnight, it was a case of "I thought hubba did" and "I thought wifey did". The result, two of the three horses came out. Two things saved the horses lives- they were not tied and they had roping saddles on them. The saddles were shattered but not the two mare's spines.

Parker_Rider

Jul. 10, 2009, 11:50 AM

Oh how tragic and awful. It is concerning that this has happened before with another driver, but oh that poor horse and daughter. :(
What I want to know is why wasn't there a breakable halter on that horse to maybe give it a chance to survive or breakable trailer ties?

I second that I appreciate my buttbars and back door that securely latches!

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Jul. 10, 2009, 11:52 AM

I hope the horse did not suffer.

RubyLink

Jul. 10, 2009, 12:01 PM

From reading the article it sounds like this was an accident. As well as she was a passenger when it happened the first time and she was not the driver. I know a few people who have had their doors open on their trailers before and I don't consider them horrible people. Just my thoughts.

Appsolute

Jul. 10, 2009, 12:18 PM

How does this happen, TWICE (YES It was her horse the first time too, says so in another article)

I have been hooking up the horse trailer, and double / triple checking all safety points before I was old enough to drive.

It just takes a moment to do a thorough check. I always have to double check the but bar and door latch. Some times I run back to triple check not sure if I double checked it.

You would think after the first time a horse fell out of your trailer, and you drug it down the road... that you would really install a safety check system, you know, so you wouldn't do it again?

So... should this woman be allowed to haul horses now? I mean, she didn't learn after the first time, I would hate to think three times a charm!

Did you read the comments on the article?
To the many mislead readers: I have personally observed over many years several instances where this family has jeopardized their horses' safety as well as others around them, including cramming four horses into that same three-horse trailer, and tying their horses too long next to each other, hence causing wrecks on several different occasions. I even donated money after the first wreck they were involved in. But having the same incident happen twice in a year is proof enough of this family's dangerous tendencies. I forgave them after their first tragedy, but I cannot find a single reason in my heart to find sympathy for them yet again. Heaven forbid they acquire another horse to put in the same types of situations. My heart goes out to the 14-year-old daughter, who i watched fall in love and benefit greatly from this very special horse......

And

I have heard complaints of them cramming four horses into their 3 horse trailer as well. I encourage you to call Jennifer Clarke at animal control to help with their investigation.

JoZ

Jul. 10, 2009, 12:19 PM

On the one hand -- remember we are forming our opinions based on a news article, and they are notorious for putting a little twist on horse-related items just due to lack of familiarity with horses and horse terminology.

On the other hand -- what struck ME was that the rope used to tie the horse was long enough for the horse to fall out of the trailer and be dragged. Now if it just had its hind feet out of the trailer (which would also be horrific) I could understand. But I'm picturing, perhaps incorrectly, that the horse was down on the ground.

I think there's a flaw in some logic here: did she MEAN to or WANT to hurt the horse? No? Well then she is totally innocent and should not be blamed. That's a leap I'm not willing to make. Unlatched or faulty door AND rope tied way too loosely? There is a third possibility between intentional harm and total exoneration, and that is negligence.

I have remembered this quote from Black Beauty since I read it as a kid:

"Only ignorance! only ignorance! how can you talk about only ignorance? Don't you know that it is the worst thing in the world, next to wickedness? -- and which does the most mischief heaven only knows. If people can say, `Oh! I did not know, I did not mean any harm,' they think it is all right..."

Donella

Jul. 10, 2009, 12:21 PM

I am amazed at the lack of compassion some of you have for other people when they make an HONEST mistake. This woman is going to have to live with this for the rest of her life.

I just don't understand how the halter didn't break??

Seven-up

Jul. 10, 2009, 12:21 PM

How the eff does that happen twice in the span of one year???:o Wouldn't you learn how to double and triple check the doors after the first time that happened? Were they using a steel cable for a lead rope? Holy hell. I'm going out to put hay twine loops on my trailer ties right now.

Poor horse. How awful.

Sandy M

Jul. 10, 2009, 12:24 PM

Acci\dent, schmaccident!!As someone mentioned on FHOTD: I notice if my horse SHIFTS in the trailer, or if he and his trailer-mate starting goofing off. I constantly check my rear view mirrors, not just for traffic, but to see how the trailer is riding, etc. I am completely PARANOID about trailering. But this person didn't NOTICE she was DRAGGING the horse behind her trailer for MILES?!?!? Allow me to think this person is either (a) an idiot; or (b) drunk/on drugs.

True story: My old eventing trainer was returning from a cross-country schooling sessions. She had a four horse stock trailer. She stopped in a shopping center briefly. Some kids came around the trailer, and she said it was okay for them to pet the gentle horse through the sides of the stock trailer. When she returned, she didn't check the rig. After all, she had checked it when she loaded the horse, only 10-15 mins. earlier. She drove off, she had just gotten up to freeway speed when she heard a loud noise and saw her horse fly backward out of the trailer. She had to slow gradually, because she didn't want to add to the damage by having the horse hit the back of the trailer. The mare got up, one hind leg badly damaged. She was able to reload her instantly and drove straight to the vet clinic. Apparently, one of the kids had decided to open the trailer and go inside and pet the horse, and then had left the stock trailer rear door pushed flush, but unsecured. Fortunately, the prognosis for the mare went from "euthanize" to pasture ornament to possible broodmare to trail horse....all the way back to intermediate/advanced level eventer after a tendon transplant. She did retire her a year or two later though, because although the horse was in no pain, the scar tissue did make her "unlevel" and her dressage scores were enough affected by that that she decided to no longer compete her. But again note: She noticed the INSTANT the horse came off the trailer!! She also, after this incident, NEVER failed to check her trailer EVERY time she parked anywhere, regardless of how short a time she might be away from it.

vacation1

Jul. 10, 2009, 12:43 PM

I'm not sure why everyone is mad at this woman. Why on earth would she do something like this on purpose, or if not on purpose, why would she willingly drag a horse for 4 miles.

It doesn't matter if she intended to do it, if the underlying reason for the accident was carelessness. Few people actually intend to cause traffic accidents, for instance, but their careless driving can make them liable - legally and morally - for the injuries and damage resulting from, say, tailgating. I am so not a lawyer:), but the word 'reckless' springs to mind, ie, reckless disregard, reckless driving - in other words, the person is not taking proper care, a sort of lack of action versus an actual intentional action.

gieriscm

Jul. 10, 2009, 12:45 PM

The worst incident I've ever had while trailering was a flat tire, and that fortunately turned out to be a non-issue. I still check everything on the trailer - hitch, lights, brakes, latches, etc. - even when the trailer is empty, before leaving the farm and after every stop.

There's a saying... once is an accident, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern. Let's hope this family never makes it to three.

HenryisBlaisin'

Jul. 10, 2009, 12:49 PM

As to why people are disgusted with this woman-it's true that this was a tragic accident-but it was also a PREVENTABLE accident. The horse was tied too long. The trailer door came open. And their excuse was "it was dark out." Why, why, why would you haul anything at night and not carry a flashlight in your rig? Five minutes' worth of vigilance was all that stood between that mare and her tragic, painful, terrifying death.

Mistakes happen. TWO mistakes leading up to a totally preventable death...not so much. I know people who had a latch fail and the door came open-but the horses were tied correctly, and because of that, everyone was uninjured. One mistake is a mistake...two mistakes starts to look more like negligence.

I feel sorry for the horse and the 14-year-old owner who had no control over the situation, but the rest, who had ample chance to prevent the accident, and who were too distracted to realize that it even happened...it's pretty hard to find a lot of sympathy for them.

ThatScaryChick

Jul. 10, 2009, 12:57 PM

Very sad:(

http://www.modbee.com/local/story/775512.html

Such a sad situation. I hope the poor horse didn't suffer too much. :(

JSwan

Jul. 10, 2009, 01:12 PM

Absolutely horrific - poor horse.

I'm confused on something though. I'm trying to envision the horse in the slant load and tied.

That rope would have had to have been what - 12 feet long for that horse to be able to fall completely out of the trailer? The article indicates she thought she tied the horse too loosely - but if that is the case the horse would have gotten free (maybe still been killed or severely injured but would have been free)

Guess the reporter could just be getting some details wrong or something. I'm a bit suspicious if that comment is right - that these folks are not exactly what they purport to be.

Very sad for that poor animal; I can only hope death was quick.

rabicon

Jul. 10, 2009, 01:15 PM

Very sad, I read this on fugly also. Poor kid.

Yes it happen the first time with another driver. How much you wanna bet that her or her daughter loaded the horse and the other driver was paying enough attention that she realized a horse had fell out and said horse survived. Just making assumptions but I'd be willing to bet they loaded their own horse with the other driver and their carelessness led to that accident. But then to do it again and not realize that you have something slinging and bouncing your trailer around :confused: I can feel my horses move in the trailer when I'm the passenger much less the driver. It makes no since its careless.

SLW

Jul. 10, 2009, 01:23 PM

Seven-up

Jul. 10, 2009, 01:40 PM

Define "dragged".

I'm not defending the owner but offering sometimes what is written is correct but you need ALL the facts. A horse tied the last slant with even just a 3' length of rope could be dragged. If the back door opened and the horse thought "unload", once it's back hooves hit the ground it could become stuck and be 'dragged' to it's death as the truck moved forward.

I suspect the horses's neck was broken, think "death by hanging" more than death by dragging. :(

Probably true, considering they said it had a rear tack compartment, so horse was most likely in a bendy position. One would hope the death was quick.

Still pretty disturbing that this is the 2nd time this happened. I mean, if that ever happened to me, I'd be looking in the rear view mirror constantly and stopping every 5 minutes to make sure the door is still closed. Not to mention making sure the butt bar/chain is hooked up and the door is securely closed before taking off.

mjrtango93

Jul. 10, 2009, 01:49 PM

This is a horrible, horrible accident and I don't feel bad for anybody but that mare. I have no idea who the people are, or the circumstances surrounding the accident besides the article so I won't pass judgement on them, however, I happened to be at UC Davis when a horse that fell out of a trailer on the highway came in. The people were headed to go trailriding in Tahoe for the weekend, heading up I-80. About 4 miles before Davis the trailer door fell off the trailer and the horse fell out on the highway doing 60 MPH with traffic. The owners realized right away, they got off the highway with the other horse, the husband ran back to the horse on the freeway and the wife immediately called the vet hospital (they were barely 2 miles away at the time which was insanely good luck) to come with another trailer and drugs to euthanize on the spot if that was decided. They had a team of vets with the horse in under 5 minutes and got it stabalized, off the road (it was literally in the #3 lane of the highway were it was 5 lanes wide) and into the hospital. The poor think looked like it had been through a meat grinder, but beyond several hundred sutures, a fractured knee, and a lot of lost blood turned out just fine. The door fell off the trailer due to faulty hinges on a 1 year old trailer, and as the horse had apparently been sitting on the door it just popped off. The thing I think saved that horse was it had a leather haulter on which immediately broke so the all the injuries were from tumbling to a stop, no dragging. I was just astonished that nobody hit the horse and there were no other accidents! The freeway completely stopped all lanes and everybody was trying to get out and help. I saw the horse when it was released from the hospital 3 weeks later and couldn't believe it was the same horse, he already looked soooooo much better.

dghunter

Jul. 10, 2009, 02:11 PM

I'm sorry but two times?! Even if she was a passenger the first time...

JoZ

Jul. 10, 2009, 02:27 PM

I'm sorry but two times?! Even if she was a passenger the first time...

I know! I am doing a long haul this weekend (not sure if I will be passenger or driver or both) and just from having READ this story I will probably be stopping every 50 feet to check things. Or I'll want to... I don't really NEED to because as others have stated, I can tell if the horse FARTS in the trailer while I am driving. If a horse ever fell out of my trailer, I might never drive one again.

FatPalomino

Jul. 10, 2009, 02:28 PM

wow. I stopped tying my horses in the trailer long ago, and always keep leather halters on them.... but still, the door coming open... twice. Weird.

rabicon

Jul. 10, 2009, 03:47 PM

Define "dragged".

I'm not defending the owner but offering sometimes what is written is correct but you need ALL the facts. A horse tied the last slant with even just a 3' length of rope could be dragged. If the back door opened and the horse thought "unload", once it's back hooves hit the ground it could become stuck and be 'dragged' to it's death as the truck moved forward.

I suspect the horses's neck was broken, think "death by hanging" more than death by dragging. :(

"Further details from a local, who saw the bloody trail all over the road: "This animal apparently fell from the rear of the trailer, somewhere in the vicinity of Jamestown Road. The halter and lead rope did not break, and the animal was dragged, apparently down Racetrack Road and most of the way into town. The track of the bloody drag mark moved laterally back and forth across the traffic lane, indicating that the animal struggled and flailed for a very long time before eventually succumbing"

rabicon

Jul. 10, 2009, 03:50 PM

http://www.mymotherlode.com/news/local/news_detail.php?ID=32614

Seven-up

Jul. 10, 2009, 04:02 PM

From the article rabicon posted:

Haynie said, "The first night of vet bills alone was over $1,000 but the horse means so much to the entire family and this was never a matter of whether or not we should keep her alive. Hobby´s will to live is strong as immediately following the accident, she got up and went back into the trailer."

During the Groveland 49er Festival, which takes place on Saturday Sept 20th, Haynie will hold a raffle to help pay for vet bills. Haynie can be reached at...

Well, of course money is no object when it's other peoples' money.:rolleyes:

This article, the first article, and all the comments on the first article supposedly from this Jessica chick are making me even more unsympathetic for these folks who can't seem to keep horses from falling out the back of their trailer.:no:

FindersKeepers

Jul. 10, 2009, 04:11 PM

I'm sorry, there's just no way you "don't notice" a horse is being dragged. You can feel them shift or kick, how do you not feel one fall out? And even if, for whatever reason, you don't feel that initial fall, because the road is bumpy, how do you not notice the trailer fishtailing around behind you because the horse is fishtailing behind that?

4 miles is a long time. A really long time. That's horrifying.

It's one thing to have a horse fall out of a trailer. accidents happen, and some people are really unlucky. There's no excuse for dragging a horse though. None at all. I could see a few feet trying to stop slowly and get off the road... miles, insane.

First time or second time, her horses should be taken somewhere safe.

Dispatcher

Jul. 10, 2009, 04:30 PM

rhymeswithfizz

Jul. 10, 2009, 04:54 PM

How unbelievably AWFUL.

Because I am bored at work, here is a photo of what the back of a Logan 3-horse slant with tack compartment looks like (slightly older than the one in question):
http://www.pbase.com/granitehillsdesign/image/49175686
http://www.pbase.com/granitehillsdesign/image/49175690

And here is one of the comments to the article, made by the older of the daughters I believe:
>>>>
In response to the many people who obviously have previously disliked my family and myself here are the facts. We left our friend's ranch at 10pm it was dark. When I latched and hooked the trailers two back doors I could only see a little bit since it was so dark. I do blame myself for this incident. Yet the problem was not the fact that I was careless or that I wanted to hurt my little sister's horse, it was the fact that the bottom part of the door did not latch completely and I was unaware. From my personal investigation into the incident it has become clear that the horse fell out of the bottom of door as it was open and the top part did not release until we were downtown. At which time my mom and I both noticed the door and quickly stopped and found Midnight dead. As for the lady who said why cant you cross tie the horses or put a butt gate up it is a three horse slant load trailer. Jessica Haynie 2008 Mother Lode Round-up Queen and Animal Welfare Advocate.
>>>>

So, there appears to be a single latch that is supposed to grab the slot on the top and bottom of the trailer...? Does anyone have one of these? I am having a hard time imagining how (a) this didn't close all the way or (b) how a horse might have slipped through the bottom of the door without the door swinging all the way open. Maybe hay or manure got caught in there? Or the door was warped?

But in any case - Just generally a terrible, terrible thing. I can't lay blame, it just sounds like a horrific mistake. My condolences to the family - and particularly the girls who will likely be haunted by that image for many, many years.

SLW

Jul. 10, 2009, 04:57 PM

"Further details from a local, who saw the bloody trail all over the road: "This animal apparently fell from the rear of the trailer, somewhere in the vicinity of Jamestown Road. The halter and lead rope did not break, and the animal was dragged, apparently down Racetrack Road and most of the way into town. The track of the bloody drag mark moved laterally back and forth across the traffic lane, indicating that the animal struggled and flailed for a very long time before eventually succumbing"

My comments are based on the link provided here. Looks like there is another story with different info. Care to share the link?

Really, without photos documenting how long the doomed horse's rope was and knowing how fast she was driving on the, to quote her 'bumpy road' the details of how the horse died- broken neck or dragged to death- are all speculation.

OTOH, the raffle she held to cover the vet bills after the other accident is very telling and tacky.

SGray

Jul. 10, 2009, 04:58 PM

tragic negligence

FancyFree

Jul. 10, 2009, 05:01 PM

I'm sorry, there's just no way you "don't notice" a horse is being dragged. You can feel them shift or kick, how do you not feel one fall out? And even if, for whatever reason, you don't feel that initial fall, because the road is bumpy, how do you not notice the trailer fishtailing around behind you because the horse is fishtailing behind that?

4 miles is a long time. A really long time. That's horrifying.

Exactly. I would absolute know if my horse fell out. I could feel/hear every bump my horse would make. How do you not notice something like that? And for this accident to happen TWICE? Come on that just negligence.

ambar

Jul. 10, 2009, 05:11 PM

Are any of us going to look at a Logan trailer again w/o thinking of this? No. :no:

I *own* a 1993 Logan 3h slant. It has one door, no rear tack and no ramp. It takes a good hard shove to shut it, and then it has a spring-loaded bar latch on top. I rarely haul 3 horses in mine, but I've never worried about that door coming open. (I'm also the sort of paranoid that does a walk-around after every stop, no matter how short.)

The Modesto Bee seems to have deleted the comments on the article.

Seven-up

Jul. 10, 2009, 05:48 PM

So, there appears to be a single latch that is supposed to grab the slot on the top and bottom of the trailer...? Does anyone have one of these? I am having a hard time imagining how (a) this didn't close all the way or (b) how a horse might have slipped through the bottom of the door without the door swinging all the way open. Maybe hay or manure got caught in there? Or the door was warped?

Yes, the latch hooks into 2 slots, one top and one bottom. All it takes is a few kicks from a horse to bend the door, and then because the door is bent, the bottom latch doesn't fit into the slot anymore. I've seen that happen on many trailers. The door doesn't even have to be bent. If you get enough shavings jammed in there at the bottom, the latch won't go into the slot.

Never in my life have I seen a door so warped that the top latch could stay latched and something as big as a horse would be able to fall out of the bottom. I suspect that explanation is crap. Unless (I'm trying to think of an un-graphic way to say this) the entire horse didn't fall out.

I understand people make mistakes. I understand things happen. I knew someone who had 3 different houses get struck by lightning, and 2 burned to the ground. But really, it sounds like the daughter who didn't shut the door this time was present the last time a horse fell out of the trailer. How many times do you have to touch a hot stove to learn that it burns you?:confused:

If I were law inforcement I'd be checking to see if there was an insurance policy on this horse.

ETA: Anyone notice there is a link to this thread in the first article posted?

Donella

Jul. 10, 2009, 05:49 PM

Omg...uhg, the thought is just horrific...what an awful way to die.:no:

Sandy M

Jul. 10, 2009, 06:05 PM

I *own* a 1993 Logan 3h slant. It has one door, no rear tack and no ramp. It takes a good hard shove to shut it, and then it has a spring-loaded bar latch on top. I rarely haul 3 horses in mine, but I've never worried about that door coming open. (I'm also the sort of paranoid that does a walk-around after every stop, no matter how short.)

The Modesto Bee seems to have deleted the comments on the article.

I have a '93 Logan Wranger II (stock trailer, two horse slant). Same door/latch as your 3 horse and a "pin" at the bottom of the door that goes through slots on the door and on the frame. I've never worried about it coming open, either. Of course, like you, I check everything at least twice after loading, after every stop, and even sometimes about 10 mins down the road....Juuuuuust to make sure.

penny101

Jul. 10, 2009, 07:23 PM

I live in the area where the horse was drug to death and have lived here for many years. I know both margaret Whitelaw-Haney and her daughter Jessica Haynie. The daughter was a former rodeo queen of our small town rodeo, tho she had to comete twice to win.

I know where they live and know that they do not take the best of care of their animals. Their potbelly pigs are sickly and numerous. They have multiple horses from Leonard Brooks Quarter Horse ranch below Jamestown. Mysteriously several years ago three or four of their horses mysteriously died.

Last Labor Day, September 2008, the same people had another horse mysteriously fall out of their trailer while going down hwy 108 and the mare was injured including a broken pelvis. This story can be found by searching the news archives at www.mymotherlode.com and typing in Jessica Haynie and horse accident. That is of course unless the radio website took it down, they were pretty defensive when I phoned them this morning to comment that this was the second horse they had injured in this manner.

In that trailer accident Queen Jessica made color flyers with photographs of the injured mare and requested donations be made to help them with their vet bills. She even sold raffle tickets to raise money. The flyers were up all over Tuolumne County, personally I found them disgusting.

On this most recent incident, I know where Ratto Road is off Jamestown Road, the blood splash starts on this paved street and there are scratches made by the mare's feet as she tried to regain her footing on the pavement. Then the route and blood trail go on for 4.2 more miles and the horse was drug through downtown Sonora. Google maps can show you the route.

The whitelaw- Haynies had to go through at least four stop signs dragging the mare and made at least two right angle right turns at stop signs and one right angle left hand turn from a stop sign.

Approx. 2 miles into the blood trail you can see where the horse's hide wore through and she was evscerated and started spilling intestinal materials that have dried on the pavement and mingled in with the blood trail.

The local newspaper, www.uniondemocrat.com has on the front page today a story about the incident. It has been confirmed that Margaret Whitelaw and Jessica Haynie did cram four horses into a 3 horse slant trailer.

In previous news stories the suspects have tried to claim that only 2 horses were in the trailer, this is simply not true.

If you want to help write letters to the editor, c/o The Union Democrat 84 S.Washington Street, Sonora, CA 95370, or if you have information do contact Tuolumne County Animal Control at (209)694-2730 as the case is under investigation.

If anyone knows a similar case in which the suspects were prosecuted please let them know. If you were a witness to the tragedy please come forward.

The Tuolumne County District Attorney can be reached at (209)588-5450, mailing address 2 So. Green st, Sonora, CA 95370, and urge prosecution. Public outcry does matter.