what's after novice - prelim?

[workinggirl]

I forget and I've been trying to look it up but no luck! I figured got to the BB, they'll help you in a flash- thanks in advance. so what is next and how high and wide?

[asterix]

Training. 3'3" high. No idea how wide -- oxers and ditches are more substantial, plus of course you have faster speed in SJ and XC, combinations on XC, etc etc. Dressage introduces lengthenings at the trot and canter, along with 15 m trot circles and the stretchy trot circle.

[workinggirl]

thanks asterix- your were faster than me! i have not found an easy site yet!

[asterix]

well, I'm sure it's on the us eventing website somewhere, but you are right, it's almost always just as quick to come here and ask;). I've competed at Training a lot recently, so that was easy.

[workinggirl]

Asterix

I am on the US eventing website and cannot find it- not saying it's not there but i can't find it. Just a simple explanation of the levels somewhere would be super- anyone know where?

What after Training?

[workinggirl]

PIA

prelim, Inter, advance?

[Janet]

It is Appendices 1 and 2 of the rule book, available on line both on the USEA site and the USEF site.

I will try to cut and paste it here, but I have a feeling the formatiting won't work.
Didn't work.

BN
N
T
P
I
A

[KateWooten]

It's a pity they didn't make it Prelim, Intermediate, Training, Advanced, isn't it ?

[Janet]

Back in the 60s, the only three levels were Preliminary, Intermediate, Advanced.

Then in 70 or 71 they added "Training" as a new introductory level.

Sometime between '71 and '81 they added "Novice" below Training.

A couple of years ago they added "Beginner Novice".

So "Prelim" which used to be the lowest level, is now one of the "Upper Levels"

It is even worse in GB/UK, where the 3'7" level is called Novice.

[BeverlyAStrauss]

Except Novice was called Pre-Training at first........

[snoopy]

It is even worse in GB/UK, where the 3'7" level is called Novice.



Janet

I do not know why you use the word "worse" when you talk of novice in the UK. Although americans like to liken novice to prelim in the USA it really is not the case...
It is more like a difficult training/easy prelim. The height may be 3'7" but the type of questions asked, the placement of jumps, terrian ect make it very inviting.
Prelim (USA) IMO is not and should not be an "upper level". I consider it very much part of the "training" levels...infact I believe it to be the most important of the training levels.

as an aside...there are two levels below Novice in the UK.

[Janet]

Janet

I do not know why you use the word "worse" when you talk of novice in the UK. Although americans like to liken novice to prelim in the USA it really is not the case...
It is more like a difficult training/easy prelim. The height may be 3'7" but the type of questions asked, the placement of jumps, terrian ect make it very inviting.
Prelim (USA) IMO is not and should not be an "upper level". I consider it very much part of the "training" levels...infact I believe it to be the most important of the training levels.

as an aside...there are two levels below Novice in the UK.
Only "worse" in the sense that it is (at least to me) even more illogical to have "Novice" in the middle of the hierarchy.

Prelim is "Upper Level" in several senses
- USEF recognized instead of just USEF endorsed- with the resulting USEF membership requirements
- Corresponds (roughly) to an FEI level
- Statistically, the vast majority of USEA members compete BELOW Prelim.

But I agree that from a training/competition perspective, it is an important step in the training sequence.

[pass]

http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleBook/2009/12-EV.pdf

The rule book is your best friend.

Appendix 2 - Specifications For Horse Trials

You can find it near the very end and scroll backwards. It is on page 42 of 52when you open it with Adobe.

[Bobthehorse]

Except Novice was called Pre-Training at first........

It still is in Canada.

[scubed]

This document explains it pretty well:

http://www.eventatrfarm.com/pdfs/Levels_of_Horse_Trials.pdf