This is not good.

[LittleblackMorgan]

For the past week I have been having a strange recurring dream about a young bay OTTB gelding, sound, super cheap (in my dream he ended up being free if I took him, or was off to slaughter). He was blood bay with a snip on his nose, and big.

I dont know any horse of this description-but lo and behold, I open the ads on my local BB and there he is-5 year old never raced bay boy, 17 hands with a SNIP. For $500. Sound, racing trained but never made the gate.

WTF? My trainer thinks I'm psychic. We had a stall randomly open up this past week. During a lesson last week, she looked at me riding in a borrowed dressage saddle (I'm HJ) and said "You need a bigger horse. Your feet are below his belly".
I told her of my dreams, and she laughed.

She wasnt laughing this morning when I sent her the link. I emailed the owner looking for pics of him and his location.

This is not good. My husband and I are planning on getting pregnant the end of the summer-ish. I was going to free lease my pony off farm (I work there once a week for reduced board. That cant happen when I'm fat and pregnant). Am I crazy? I'm not even LOOKING for another horse...though I did tell DH that if we had a hard time getting prego, I was buying another horse. He shook his head and said no way. Crap.Advise??? Anyone else have "premonitions"?????:o

[Ibex]

Is there ANY chance you'd seen another ad for him and your subconscious noted it? Usually dreams like that can be traced to something.

But I'd still go look. But that's just me. :lol:

[Paige777]

Sometimes, things happen for strange reasons. I think the "coincidence" may be too great to be a coincidence in your case. I'd at least look into the situation - talk to the owner, meet the horse. Chances are if you are meant to have this horse, you won't be able to ignore the fact.

Before my current horse went up for sale, about a week before I got a strange feeling - unsettled. I'd been planning on buying her another year from now, but suddenly started worrying that she'd go up for sale before I had the money together. A week later her owner emailed me to tell me she was up for sale, and to give me first dibs on her. Granted, it was only a week of "heads up" time, but that odd feeling gave me some time to think about how much this horse meant to me, and what lengths I'd be willing to go to to keep her with me.

Good luck! Have you talked to your husband about this? Is there the possibility that he'd be on board for taking on this horse?

[LittleblackMorgan]

It was posted yesterday! I had the dreams last week. I'm stuck. My husband would totally kill me...though on the upside I'm getting a honking large raise this summer...He'd never know about the $$...thats so terrible. I would totally kill him if he bought a car and hid it from me.

Also, should I free lease out my pony this winter, Mr OTTB could get fat and back to horse-business lounging about the farm forgetting how to sprint...oh boy. I dont think I could get as lucky with #2 as I did with my pony...He's a saint, jumps anything you point him at, unflappable...loves kids...is jet black...but he's 14.2 thats the ONLY down fall with him. If he was 6" taller, he'd be a 10k plus horse...not the 1k I paid...sigh....

[drmgncolor]

What I have learned: don't plan anything around getting pregnant... it never happens at the most opportune time. :)

[LittleblackMorgan]

As in, dont plan on getting pregnant part, or plan stuff around it??? Never tried to before, so this is new. Though my MD did say "God has a funny sense of humor about planning to get pregnant. Just so you know"

[dainty do]

This could go either way. I've had two OTTBs. One was a heartbreaker (wasn't sound), the other was my dream horse!
If you go see the horse, make sure that he has good conformation and has had no injuries that would interfere with his future career. Absolutely make sure he has a kind friendly disposition too. Sometimes imjuries can be rehabilitated, dispositions cannot be.
Good luck, have fun, but be prepared to walk away.

[Pirateer]

I'd go look at least! If the money situation is ok, then he could always have some time off after pregnancy confirmed- or you could put him in training with a trainer.

[drmgncolor]

As in, dont plan on getting pregnant part, or plan stuff around it??? Never tried to before, so this is new. Though my MD did say "God has a funny sense of humor about planning to get pregnant. Just so you know"


Both, actually. If you wait on things because you plan on trying to get pregnant then you're pushing off doing things you really might miss out on. You just can't plan on when you will get pregnant. Or if you'll even keep it. It's just not that easy... at least not for me or my mother, or my husbands mother.

My point is: go look at the horse. He might be the perfect fit!

[naters]

Hubby said not to buy another horse.

So that means, technically, if the horse (somehow) ended up being "given" to you, then you wouldn't be BUYING him "technically".

So maybe they could give you the horse, and you could pay them say, 500 for the saddle or something...

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

I'm thinking you should take a look....

[Arcadien]

Go, go go! And to further enable, when you get a chance, google "lucid dreaming" LOL I try not to believe in all this "other conscience(sp?) stuff but I've had some weird dreams and am used to life following somewhat suit, at this point.

Just for the record, you don't ever want me to dream of you having any kind of accident (twice had the real thing unfold before my eyes, happening to the same person I'd dreamed about, days after the vivid dream, shudder. Totally scary, but on the other hand, the dream seemed to "prepare" me and both times I acted quickly as if scripted to help the unfortunate person...)

Anyway, I look for hints from my dreams now, and coupled with reasonable logic, it seems to be guiding me along the best path for me!

PS, looking at this guy seems totally "reasonable" to me, so go for it! LOL

Arcadien, normally more logic bound, but heck summer fever is here...

[Curiously]

If you DON'T get this horse, you will always wonder, *what if...?* Not only that, but at $500, he does have a strong chance of going to slaughter. :eek::(

GET HIM. If he doesn't work out, or you can't manage him if you get pregnant (why not??? lots of threads here about women who manage life even while pregnant and -- gasp! -- continue to ride/own horses), you can always find him a new and permanent home. But you'll have bought him some time to find that home and quite likely, saved his life.

You'll forever regret NOT taking him if you don't, and wonder why you didn't follow that gut feeling/intuitive dream. ;)

[LittleblackMorgan]

Its not the "price" of the horse per se, its the upkeep! Although my trainer just sent me an email and it said "you are not allowed to move to a farm with an indoor, you should not start a horse in the new england winter, and THAT horse goes someplace with an indoor, dont send your pony anyplace far away that you cant watch. He stays here"
She's in love with my boy, but also knows my plight with him being a pseudo-midget. This is funny.
drmgncolor-yeah, you are right. I have had one miscarriage, about 5 years ago. That was the worst pain both physically and mentally/emotionally that I have EVER experienced. I am afraid of that again.

[LittleblackMorgan]

Curious, I called my trainer an enabler...she sorta said the same thing...until I drag her to visit him with me, while telling the husband I'm having a lesson...I'm going to Hell...sigh...still waiting for the owner to send me confo pics...this of course is assuming the boy isnt clubfooted, dink toed and too straight with no shoulder...:o:confused:

[Bluey]

Coincidences happen all the time, not just this time.
I also had some really odd ones, some about dreams that seem to come thru a few years later, but in the end, they are just that, coincidences, nothing else, no realy ESP floating around, really.:winkgrin:

Now, that doesn't mean that it is fun to go look at the horse, who knows, something may work after all.

The bad part in that is that there are thousands of horses out there that also at some time would fit any dream, or what we want, but if your husband is against the energy, time and money a horse may cost you both, since he is not a dream, is part of the current picture, well, that deserves a real consideration.:yes:

I would run this by him, but not so as to make him feel guilty if he doesn't give in, leave it an open question for discussion.
It really takes two to honor each other in a marriage, for all to be happy, especially if there is going to be one more some day soon.

Horses you don't even have yet and can take or leave, those are not in the picture, just a coincidence in your dream and not worth making hubby unhappy, I don't think.

[Starda01]

I am a believer in premonitions, and especially in dreams. I think you must look into it. Whether you buy him, or not, he's come into your sights. I think the animals we have that are special, do that. My horse, a 6 yr old, 16.3 hand tb, already doing 3 ft training jumpers, was here at the farm for a long time, with another boarder. I was always wanting to ride him, and I had a certain feeling about him. I waited for a long time and as things worked out, I got him, for $250. I believe I sort of willed it into happening.

All that said, do be sensible and if its meant to be, it will fall into place.

[LittleblackMorgan]

In my defense, hubby has some serious car-collecting issues (we had 7 at once, c'mon!!!!) He dumps money into the car or truck or bike...I bust my hump to shovel shit and keep my board down...on my day off...because it helps, definitely not because we need to. I have many animals (3 kitties of the hairless variety-each costing more than the pony-2 large ever-eating dogs, and the pony). He wasnt an animal person...though I COULD tell him I was leasing another horse...thats a totally differant story...why did I not think of that?

[AKB]

Go and look but don't buy unless you are very sure he is right. We looked at a TB who had the same name as my daughter's horse, was her favorite color, and who vetted out as totally sound at a big clinic (a first for us). After we bought him, we realized that he was stupid, ill tempered, and lame. Eight years later, he is still with us because he was kicked out of the retirement home for bad behavior! My daughter still loves him because he is ours, but he was not the right horse for the job!

[Kate66]

Do you want to get pregnant? If so, buy the horse. If you don't buy the horse, you won't get preggers for ages. - THAT'S the way it works!! I had tried for years. Bought a nice Hano mare, spent an ungodly (to me!) amount of money putting in a fantastic arena - rode in it say 10 times before I got pregnant!

[LittleblackMorgan]

Kate, sounds typical...Murphys Law!!!

[tikihorse2]

To me, it sounds like you really, really want to look at the horse and sort of want our OK. Nothing wrong with that. :yes:

I think if you DON'T go and at least look at him, you'll regret it. He may turn out to be all wrong--unsound, bad personality, etc. Who knows? Go and look--and let us know what you find! Things DO happen for a reason sometimes!

Kim

[kookicat]

Heck, if he's not too far away, go and visit him! Even if it dosen't work out, you'll be glad you looked and settled your mind.

Good luck! We want pics when you bring him home!

(Believer in premonitions in dreams- I stopped my hubby from going to London on the day of the 7/7 attacks, because I had a dream about the tube train blowing up. He would have been on the tube with the bomb in it, had he gone. -gulp-)

[LaurieB]

I think you should at least look at the horse. As far as the dream goes, when my gut tries to tell me something, I've learned over the years that I should always listen. :yes:

My last word of advice: don't plan anything around a potential pregnancy because that never seems to work out. Ask me how I know. :lol:

[drmgncolor]

Yep Kate66. You hit the nail on the head. :) That's pretty much how it works, but so not the reason I just bought a trailer. Not, Not, Not. :) We'll see how many times I get to use it before...

OP - hugs to you. It is hard, but I've found you just have to go into it with an open mind and an open heart... each time. I just hate how taboo it seems to be to talk about miscarriages.

[LittleblackMorgan]

Still waiting for the pics from the seller...its been a day and I'm chomping at the bit, LOL! Should I send another request? Or is that hagging out their email? Its an AOL account, I wonder if my work email went to a spam folder:?

[ESG]

Bug them. If they want to sell the horse, they won't mind.

And I say go with your dreams, and premonitions. I've had lots over the years, and every time I ignored one, I was sorry for it. Even if it's the wrong horse, there may be something else that you're meant to discover while going to see him. I know I sound all new-age, crystal-carrying, tarot-consulting, but I know what I know, and I know to trust my intuitions.

[LittleblackMorgan]

OK, now I am totally confused.
On one classified, he's listed at $500. On Craigslist is $1500 (prob to deter the kill buyers), and now the New England area site as $1500??? I wont even LOOK at him for 1500...THAT would make my husbands head spin, since I have $500 in a stash for my pony...is it proper to call them out on it? I mean, it SOUNDS like they want to get rid of him. I did email to the craigs list ad, stating that I previously emailed, but it could have gone to spam folders.

Argghh...I told my trainer that if its meant to be, it will happen. She agreed. My pony found ME (someone called the barn where I was leasing-a dealer-saying they had an all black gelding. My BO at the time actually listened, since I made an off-hand comment about loving black horses, thanks to Black Beauty and Black Stallion as a kid, LOL). My first horse found ME (my 4H leader called my house with a free lease option, about 2 weeks after I joined the group). Now this? Jeesh.

[kookicat]

Does the ad have a phone number? I'd give them a ring and ask how much they want for him.

[avezan]

Phone the owner. Ask to make an appointment. Go see him. If you like him, then talk price. Don't bother beforehand. If you saw him advertised somewhere for $500 they will probably take $500 for him. And I second the idea that if you WANT to get pregnant, then go buy a horse. ;) If you don't really want to get pg, then plan on putting off things until you do get pg. You will never get anything done. ;) And I really believe in the dream stuff. Go get him!

[LittleblackMorgan]

of course there is no phone number listed....errr...:mad:

[LittleblackMorgan]

and I just noticed he's listed as a STALLION on the newest ad...same description, same email...WTF???? Absolutely NO NO NO on the intact-ness!!!

[kookicat]

and I just noticed he's listed as a STALLION on the newest ad...same description, same email...WTF???? Absolutely NO NO NO on the intact-ness!!!

Don't panice yet. You can always geld him. :winkgrin:

[LittleblackMorgan]

How much does THAT cost? I've had mares, and my pony came sans-testicles.

[kookicat]

Oh, don't ask me that! ;) I have no idea lol!

I have a mare and a gelding who came ready made!

Shouldn't be more than a couple of hundred.

[Vindicated]

I always go with my gut. Also a very firm believer in the whole "if it is meant to be it WILL be"
Personally, gelding is no big deal-I think I paid $150 5 years ago to geld a 5 year old. A friend of mine just paid $175 to geld a four year old.

Agree with those who say that pregnancy will happen when your BODY wants it too, not when your brain does.

My son is just turning a year, I rode my old reliable until I was 6 months and longed my OTTB and worked on ground work throughout. I am just now starting to ride regularly again, due to lameness issues with my WB. Honestly, my horses keep me sane.

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

My best friend from college was desperate to have a child, after years of thinking she didn't. She and her husband finally gave up, and decided to "do the house" and other things.

Of course, once the $$$ had been spent, that's when she got pregnant.

So I'm thinking, if you do want a child, investing in a horse is really the best way to go.

[nightsong]

I say go with your dreams, and premonitions. I've had lots over the years, and every time I ignored one, I was sorry for it. Even if it's the wrong horse, there may be something else that you're meant to discover while going to see him. ... I know to trust my intuitions.

Your subconscious is telling you SOMETHING. As for the mechanics of how to do it, listen to your GUT. You sound like a person who manufactures situations and anxieties instead of listening to the guidance you're getting every MINUTE, so maybe your dreams are the only way your subconscious, intuition, whatever can get THROUGH to you.

Since, before, OTHER PEOPLE have had to bring you horses instead of you being able to find them on your own, I'd pay attention and try to LEARN from this.

[LittleblackMorgan]

Ok, this is what I got from the owner, including photos.

The pics showed the horse being lunged on PAVEMENT in a CULDESAC (!)

He isnt bad looking, but no the horse from my dream for sure.

The owner said yes, he is a stallion, and she would let him go for $500 since he needs to be gelded.
"He just came off the track, but isnt tattooed" WEIRD. Horses are NOT allowed to hit the track w/o a tatt, unless they are ponying. He's 5 years old, untattooed, never raced, and still in tact. But registered.

She stated that the horse was too pokey which is why she *thinks* the horse never made the gate. She looks about 17 from the pics, assuming its the same person. She said "he doesnt even know he's a stallion, he is paddocked right next to mares."

This is not adding up. I emailed asking about his registered name, she never responded. Which leads me to believe that he's ISNT registered, as there is no way to be 100% w/o a tattoo. Why would you have a stud at 5 if he never raced? Why would he be in race training until 5, but never hit the gate?
I'm going to go ahead and take a large "no thanks" on this boy

[Valentina_32926]

Ok, this is what I got from the owner, including photos.

The pics showed the horse being lunged on PAVEMENT in a CULDESAC (!)

He isnt bad looking, but no the horse from my dream for sure.

The owner said yes, he is a stallion, and she would let him go for $500 since he needs to be gelded.
"He just came off the track, but isnt tattooed" WEIRD. Horses are NOT allowed to hit the track w/o a tatt, unless they are ponying. He's 5 years old, untattooed, never raced, and still in tact. But registered.

She stated that the horse was too pokey which is why she *thinks* the horse never made the gate. She looks about 17 from the pics, assuming its the same person. She said "he doesnt even know he's a stallion, he is paddocked right next to mares."

This is not adding up. I emailed asking about his registered name, she never responded. Which leads me to believe that he's ISNT registered, as there is no way to be 100% w/o a tattoo. Why would you have a stud at 5 if he never raced? Why would he be in race training until 5, but never hit the gate?
I'm going to go ahead and take a large "no thanks" on this boy

Sounds VERY smart on your part. Poor horse - ignorant "owners" - wonder if he was stolen - about the only thing that makes sense unless they're hoping someone who knows nothing will believe their "story".

[Katie-Nicole]

Ok, this is what I got from the owner, including photos.

The pics showed the horse being lunged on PAVEMENT in a CULDESAC (!)

He isnt bad looking, but no the horse from my dream for sure.

The owner said yes, he is a stallion, and she would let him go for $500 since he needs to be gelded.
"He just came off the track, but isnt tattooed" WEIRD. Horses are NOT allowed to hit the track w/o a tatt, unless they are ponying. He's 5 years old, untattooed, never raced, and still in tact. But registered.

She stated that the horse was too pokey which is why she *thinks* the horse never made the gate. She looks about 17 from the pics, assuming its the same person. She said "he doesnt even know he's a stallion, he is paddocked right next to mares."

This is not adding up. I emailed asking about his registered name, she never responded. Which leads me to believe that he's ISNT registered, as there is no way to be 100% w/o a tattoo. Why would you have a stud at 5 if he never raced? Why would he be in race training until 5, but never hit the gate?
I'm going to go ahead and take a large "no thanks" on this boy

AFAIK, horses in training aren't required to be tattooed. There are lots of different race trainers at all levels - same as any horse breed. There's good ones, bad ones, ones with common sense, others without. She just may be one of those special ones.

[rhymeswithfizz]

My husband and I are planning on getting pregnant the end of the summer-ish.

Sorry - that made me laugh!!!!!! Life doesn't always work out the way you plan, especially when it comes to babies, kids, and pregnancies. You can "plan" to get pregnant, heck you can "plan" all you want, but be realistic in the fact that it may happen the first try, or it may take a few months, or a few years, or worse. What you should really plan for is flexibility because you just don't really know.

In any case, you do not need to put life on hold because of pregnancy or children. :) So whether it is this horse or another one, you go girl!

[ESG]

Your subconscious is telling you SOMETHING. As for the mechanics of how to do it, listen to your GUT. You sound like a person who manufactures situations and anxieties instead of listening to the guidance you're getting every MINUTE, so maybe your dreams are the only way your subconscious, intuition, whatever can get THROUGH to you.

Ummm, I don't manufacture situations or anxieties, thank you. I listen to what my little inner voice tells me, regardless of how it tells me. Sometimes it's a dream, sometimes it's screaming while I'm listening to someone spout what I know to be drivel,...................like now. :D

Since, before, OTHER PEOPLE have had to bring you horses instead of you being able to find them on your own, I'd pay attention and try to LEARN from this.

I have no earthly idea what you're talking about here. Unless you're referring to the OP. :confused:

[Adelita]

Honey, are you sure this isn't a scam? Be careful!

[Chenalie]

Maybe your dream horse[ haha. literally, in this case!] is with CANTER?

http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/trainerlistings.htm

I've had that same dream, and it turned out to be a lesson horse at my barn that they just bought. (:

[Nes]

Kate's right - and you can always find young kids who really want a free (or partial) lease so they can ride so you'll have someone to get him into shape next summer.

Sometimes things just fall into place - do make sure he's a nice horse before you throw your heart after him though, you don't want to bring home a sway-backed mule just because you fell head over heels ;).

[Bogie]

If your dream horse is with CANTER or even is just coming off the track at Suffolk Downs, then email them and tell them which horse you are looking at and who trains it. As I recall there's a big bay colt on the site that has a bow . . . and who didn't race.

They can give you a wealth of information and help you decide if he would be suitable. Then get a vet to examine that bow and give you a long term prognosis.

Some trainers will geld the horse and keep them during the recovery period. That's a good thing because many barns will not take stallions . . . even if the horse doesn't know he has all his equipment :lol:.

Would I buy a new horse if I was planning to try to get pregnant? It depends. Do you want to / are able to keep the horse in training if you don't plan to ride (and I personally probably wouldn't ride a big, green OTTB while pregnant)? I would not go the route of having a free leaser or teen restart my big young TB. But then again, I'm picky about how they are restarted and prefer to do it myself or send them to a professional. The alternative would be to turn him out for those months plus any recovery period. I know someone who routinely turns OTTBs out for a year. It works for him.

If this is your first, you may not realize quite how tired you when you have a newborn. Or, which parts may take some extra recovery time.

I rode during both of my pregnancies and got back on my horses four weeks to the day after giving birth (doctor kept me off that long) and I was very glad to have my quiet, trained horses because I didn't have the energy (or will) to do much for awhile.

I know that I've drooled over many the nice horse on the CANTER site (and own one from there). My current mantra is, I don't need him, I don't need him, I don't need him!

Good luck with what you decide!

[LittleblackMorgan]

ESG, pretty sure that was for me...
Trainer and I had it figured out that the new mare (6 year old OTTB) on our farm is the horse from my dream (duh) blood bay with a snip...But I think I may have had the dream before she same. Still weird.

As for the pregnant thing, I know it sounds good in THEORY, but a girl can hope, right? I have a year off between my classes and now would be a good time!!! My mother said it never happens right away any how. But who knows? My pony I could ride until I couldnt mount anymore, but no I would not want to get up on a HUGE OTTB while pregnant, never mind a stallion!! I was planning on (if I got him or one or her...) having said horse on R & R for 6 months or so to decompress from the track...then my trainer could have at em until I physically could...we have the same methods.

I'm still training 2-3x a week with my trainer for fox hunting this coming season, actively participating in paces, and planning on schooling shows. Pony will be ready, trailers ready. So we're ready.