Need help on more 'Advanced' movements..

[mandalea]

I need help with my more advanced movements.

We can do halfpass, shoulder in/out, travers, renvers, leg yields etc, but I want to start working on collected trot/canter, turn on the haunches/ passage etc.

I know we have what it takes, but I don't know where to start !

First off, how would I get him to do the collected trot/canter ?

[slc2]

Seek assistance from a certified dressage instructor with experience at higher levels.

Collection comes out of developing correct basics, and gradually developing the horse's muscles and ability to carry thru half halts.

[ideayoda]

Those (lateral) exercises and curved figures PURPOSE is to develop collection, do get a teacher who can help you understand the connection of exercises and collection.

[Quest52]

I am slightly confused... you say you have a halfpass, but not a collected trot??

I guess I would need more information, because for me the collection is something that comes before the half pass???


As far as the other things mentioned that are not collection directly... it is helpful to work with a second person from the ground on these movements, and/or long lines.

[MyReality]

I am confused as well.

[indyblue]

Turn on the haunches shouldnt be a problem for you.Personally I would get an instructer in to let you know how correct your work is to date.

[merrygoround]

Absolutely, it is time to get an instructor in, not only to help you move on, but to be sure that your initial training is as correct as possible.

[Beasmom]

Agree with what everyone else has said. If you "do" SI, HP, Travers, etc, and are not developing collection at the same time, then I'd venture to say the quality of those lateral movements is poor and you're kidding yourself.

Get an instructor.

[goeslikestink]

I am slightly confused... you say you have a halfpass, but not a collected trot??

I guess I would need more information, because for me the collection is something that comes before the half pass???


As far as the other things mentioned that are not collection directly... it is helpful to work with a second person from the ground on these movements, and/or long lines.

exactly -- agree 100000000%

learn to walk 1st as in all walk paces comes before trot andcnater comes before advance movements baisic movements are half halt stride ly and schoulder in but none can be done if you dont know how to collect the pace

[Valentina_32926]

As suggested earlier - start with TOH. If done CORRECTLY horse will be sitting on butt (start of collection) to perform the movement. If not done correctly horse will "spin" on hind legs rather than picking them up and maintaining the walk rythmn just in very small circles.

Anotherthing it to perform walk/halt and trot/halt transitions. Horse MUST be square AND if (done correctly) horse will not be halted front to back (i.e. too much hand by the rider) but will halt back to front - that means steps hind legs underneath itself and raises front end to halt - ending up square.

If you can't do the trot/halt square, no walk steps and can NOT accomplish this without hauling on the reins then you need to re-start training and teach the horse to get it's hind legs underneath itself at the gaits.

How do you know if you've done this (got horse starting to carry itself)?

1. If transition between gaits does NOT have unwanted gaits (like trot/halt transition would NOT have walk steps),
2. if horse does NOT fall on nose when performing transition
3. if horse doesn't "stab" ground with front legs to perform transition quickly - ALL transition should be smooth as a wave - you ask for trot/halt and horse immediately halts with rider perfectly balanced. (I think forward and up for my transitions - downward and upward transitions alike).

Once you can do the transitions correctly and the TOH (decently) introduce shoulder fore then Shoulder-in. Add in haunches in and work on horse carrying more weight behind by pushing horse forward into a "receiving" NOT holding hand.

It would be almost impossible to do this without a GOOD instructor as the posters before me have said. I also suggest you look at lots of upper level GOOD riders on the net and get the idea of what it should look like. Try not to look at bad riders - just imprints the wrong appearance on your brain as sight is just one "sense" we use to learn. Good Luck.