2009 Belmont thread (title changed) [Archive]

vineyridge

Jun. 1, 2009, 09:30 PM

Private is private. Flying or Terms. Yah, I did mean Flying Private. Just showing my age. :)

Here's the Blood Horse story where Borel predicts victory.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/51034/borel-were-going-to-win-belmont-stakes

I don't think I'd have tweaked the goddess of luck twice in a row. Reckon he might be getting a swelled head?

Summer Bird is going to be running with toe grabs on his rear wheels.

What happened to the three horses Zito was thinking of entering?

If I were to bet a hunch, I'd go for Luv Gov. After all, the Belmont is in NY and so was/is Spitzer. I wonder how much play he'll get based on that?

cribglas

Jun. 2, 2009, 12:34 AM

Does anyone know when and why Mine That Bird was gelded? I have not seen any mention of it.

Artful

Jun. 2, 2009, 12:40 AM

Does anyone know when and why Mine That Bird was gelded? I have not seen any mention of it.

doesn't anyone know how to use the search feature on this forum?

Glimmerglass

Jun. 2, 2009, 01:53 AM

What happened to the three horses Zito was thinking of entering?

Zito won't get three in as Nowhere to Hide (17th in the Kentucky Derby) was ruled out Monday by his owner, Barnes and Noble founder Leonard Riggio. That makes far more sense as he was over his head in the Derby and hasn't progressed enough to take on this field.

While largely a forgetable horse* the Zito trained and Robert LePenta owned 2008 Belmont Stakes upset winner Da Tara (at 38-1) assures that his two runners will be in the field this Saturday. They are Brave Victory' (3rd in the Peter Pan) and Miner’s Escape (winner Fredrick Tesio Stakes).

*For the record 'Da Tara' raced 4 more times in 2008 after the Belmont all with poor efforts: finishing 7th in the Jim Dandy, 5th in the Travers, 6th in the Jerome Handicap, and finally 3rd in a $48k allowance optional claiming race in late November '08

Anticipated entries as of June 1: (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/triplecrown09/news/story?id=4222621) with the assigned jockey:

1. Mine That Bird (Calvin Borel)
2. Charitable Man (Alan Garcia)
3. Brave Victory (Rajiv Maragh)
4. Chocolate Candy (Garrett Gomez)
5. Dunkirk (John Velazquez)
6. Flying Private (Julien Leparoux)
7. Luv Gov (Miguel Mena)
8. Miner's Escape (Jose Lezcano)
9. Mr. Hot Stuff (Edgar Prado)
10. Summer Bird (Kent Desormeaux)

With the maximum of 14 starters for the Belmont not being reached at all this year it is still possible that another horse could be added but remote.

Mine That Bird is expected to gallop 1 1/2 miles Wednesday morning at Churchill Downs then be flown to New York later that day. Joining him on the flight will be Mr. Hot Stuff, who is training at Keeneland. Chocolate Candy is already training at Belmont.

The 141st Belmont Stakes will be aired on ABC Sports with a 6:27 p.m. ET post time

In terms of "buzz", aside from Calvin's remarks of a confident victory which simply sounds sadly like an unwise jinx, Charitable Man looks to be the horse to beat. Watch his Grade 2 victory in the Peter Pan Stakes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLFxBTE2AlE) to see his talent and confidence over Big Sandy. Alan Garcia knows that track like the back of his hand (and Charitable does too) and that is a value add.

Worth factoring into any prediction is an overlooked fact: Calvin Borel has never ridden any horse in the Belmont Stakes. Yes, he's ridden over the course but not at 1 1/2 miles. (Street Sense never started in the Belmont and he was replaced on Denis of Cork last year with Robby Albarado for the Belmont.)

Mao

Jun. 2, 2009, 05:12 AM

What happened to Musket Man?

Glimmerglass

Jun. 2, 2009, 08:15 AM

What happened to Musket Man?

As cited before his connections said (http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showpost.php?p=4099791&postcount=130) it would be either the Preakness or Belmont, not both. He's pointed to the Haskell Invitational at Monmouth.

You won't see him again racing before then either (http://www.drf.com/news/article/104218.html) - (source DRF May 30):

He will resume jogging Sunday with the $1 million Haskell Invitational, the richest race of the meet, on Aug. 2, the long-range objective.

Ryan does not plan on running Musket Man prior to the Haskell.

vineyridge

Jun. 2, 2009, 10:37 AM

Has Charitable Man won anywhere but Belmont?

He's very lightly raced; wasn't the Peter Pan his first start this year? Will he be able to come back so soon? That would be the big IF in my thinking.

I think I'd box Summer Bird with Mine That Bird. Summer Bird is tail female to Pocahontas (GB) and she is the greatest TB mare ever. He therefore carries her MtDNA. The distance should definitely suit him, and all of the competition seems to be very heavy on sprinter lines. MTB is from FF23b, and that has a huge history of stamina.

Charitable Man is beautifully, beautifully bred.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 2, 2009, 10:52 AM

Charitable Man will be making his 3rd start for 2009 in the Belmont. I'd toss out the ill advised entry into the Toyota Blue Grass Stakes on polytrack. Yep, he's lightly raced with just 4 lifetime starts (4 3-0-0) with 2 victories at Belmont and 1 at Saratoga.

Interesting how yet again in the relatively short span of a month a horse goes from being the most talked about entry since [insert Secretariat, Seattle Slew, et al] yet now you'd be lucky is citing his name rings a bell. Who am I speaking of? Dunkirk.

He will be starting in the Belmont but with seemingly 1/100000 of the chatter that preceded that Kentucky Derby start and all of those unrealistic expectations of him.

Cartier

Jun. 2, 2009, 11:04 AM

What happened to I Want Revenge and Quality Road?

Barnfairy

Jun. 2, 2009, 11:26 AM

The ankle injury which lead I Want Revenge to be scratched the morning of the Derby is serious enough that he will be out of racing for months, if not altogether.

Quality Road does not have any recent works, and I haven't heard anything new about how his quarter crack patch is holding up.

Here's the Blood Horse story where Borel predicts victory.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...belmont-stakes (http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/51034/borel-were-going-to-win-belmont-stakes)

I don't think I'd have tweaked the goddess of luck twice in a row. Reckon he might be getting a swelled head?
My take on that is more that he just had a ride that felt really great and the words just came out of his mouth.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 2, 2009, 11:48 AM

A few bits from NY Newday on Calvin and such (http://www.newsday.com/sports/horseracing/ny-spbelmont0312833476jun02,0,7726455.story)

Jerry Bailey who rode in 20 Belmonts said this of Calvin:

"Calvin may not have been in the Belmont before, but he's ridden at Belmont Park enough times to know its nuances. It does help your comfort level to be a regular there, but if Mine That Bird gets beat, I don't think it will be because of Calvin getting impatient or because of the circumference of Belmont Park."

Has Calvin predicted victory before? Yep but once good, once bad:

The 42-year-old Cajun put extra pressure on himself Monday by saying "We're going to win it, no questions asked."

Borel's last guarantee didn't pan out. The day before the 2007 Preakness, he said, "If Street Sense don't fall, there's no way he'll be gettin' beat." Curlin caught the Derby winner in the final strides and won by a nose.

Then again I think Newsday is overlooking a more recent dead-pan prediction by Calvin of victory without hesitation: 'Rachel Alexandra will win the Preakness' 30-min before the race on live national tv ...

Jerry is looking at Dunkirk to be the sleeper:

"I like his chances," he said. "I think the time off since then should really help. Dunkirk had to do a lot of racing in a short time before the Derby, and that probably caught up to him."

Despite three solid workouts at Belmont, the son of Unbridled's Song out of Kentucky Oaks winner Secret Status isn't getting much attention this week. "That's a mistake," Bailey said. "Look at his pedigree. He's built for this race."

While Todd Pletcher (trainer of Dunkirk) is actually concerned with Charitable Man running away with the race.

The two contenders from DWL arrived Sunday night at Belmont Park: Flying Private and Luv Gov

MintHillFarm

Jun. 2, 2009, 11:56 AM

Does anyone know when and why Mine That Bird was gelded? I have not seen any mention of it.

MTB was gelded at the farm where he was started as a yearling, after being sold for $9,500. Apparently he was standing on his hind legs regularly and they felt it was a safer way to deal with him...

Glimmerglass

Jun. 2, 2009, 12:28 PM

Not well reported is the assorted New York City efforts to add some hype to the Belmont.

A sampling:

The New York Racing Association has arranged for Trainer Tim Ice and jockey Rajiv Maragh (jockey for Brave Victory) in the Belmont Stakes, to be part of a photo-op at the Empire State Building June 2. (The media check in time was 10:45 am EST so this must be either over by now or still in progress)

Calvin Borel will join New York-based trainer Gary Contessa in ringing the opening bell on the New York Stock Exchange on Thursday morning, June 4

The Empire State Building will honor the New York Racing Association, shining its world-famous tower lights in green and white on Thursday, June 4, 2009 in celebration of 141st running of The Belmont Stakes, the third leg of the prestigious Triple Crown.

Alibhai's Alibar

Jun. 2, 2009, 12:47 PM

I love (http://rockandracehorses.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/2009-belmont-stakes-logo-awesome/) the 2009 Belmont Stakes logo! (http://www.belmontstakes.com/story/2009/4/25/nyra’s-2009-belmont-stakes-logo-honors-new-york-heritage/)

The 2009 Belmont Stakes logo features the New York skyline shaded by a stylized rendition of Belmont Park’s trademark white pine, the 186-year-old tree in the center of the Belmont Paddock. The logo pays homage to the race’s history as a quintessential New York sporting event and Belmont Park’s reputation as an oasis just outside the City.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 2, 2009, 01:34 PM

War Admiral

Jun. 2, 2009, 02:00 PM

Well, at least the Saratoga one has a horse in it somewhere.

I don't like the Belmont one at all. :no:

Alibhai's Alibar

Jun. 2, 2009, 02:19 PM

Mr. Johnson also designed the 2009 Saratoga logo too (http://www.nyra.com/saratoga/stories/May062009.shtml) for NYRA

That's a nice one. I think 2004 was my fave. I wear my 2004 Saratoga freebie hat with pride :)

Alibhai's Alibar

Jun. 2, 2009, 02:21 PM

Well, at least the Saratoga one has a horse in it somewhere.

I don't like the Belmont one at all. :no:

A horse would be nice, but I was so disgusted by the 2008 logo (http://www.logodesignnext.com/blog/2008/02/15/belmont-stakes-logo-for-2008-honors-previous-years-winner/) that this new one delighted me!

War Admiral

Jun. 2, 2009, 04:36 PM

OK, backsiders - is it legal for MTB to race without his papers?? What I mean is, do they have to be presented at any point?

Haskin reporting they were stolen out of the truck along w/ the GPS.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 2, 2009, 04:46 PM

Haskin reporting they were stolen out of the truck along w/ the GPS.

The story is being more widely circulated and with the outcome (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090602/SPORTS08/906020426/Thief+leaves+Mine+That+Bird+without+papers) ;)

Those papers must be on hand when a horse competes. The tattoo and markings are checked by the official horse identifier in the paddock to double check the right horses are running in a race.

Never fear. Mine That Bird, who flies out Wednesday, will be able to race in Saturday's Belmont Stakes.

Woolley phoned Churchill Downs director of horsemen's relations J.L. "Buck" Wheat and The Jockey Club to notify them what happened. Identifier Barbara Borden was quickly made aware of the situation and went to Churchill to take photos of Mine That Bird so duplicate papers can be made.

Calena

Jun. 2, 2009, 05:31 PM

Okay, it's now official . . . This is the most bizarre series of events I ever remember surrounding the triple crown series. Fortunately, everyone (jocks and horses) are healthy, so it's not a bad thing. Just very bizarre with all the goings on.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 2, 2009, 07:20 PM

Odd or not the race looks to be shaping up as a battle between two white hot jocks as of late. With Calvin on Mine That Bird and Alan Garcia on Charitable Man.

The relatively very young Alan Garcia (http://www.nypost.com/seven/06022009/sports/horseracing/borel__garcia_set_for_thrilling_ride_172063.htm) comes in with the most wins in New York State last year than any other jockey - including the Saratoga riding title. This year he's still on a streak:

Ten days ago, he went wire-to-wire (again) to win the Grade 2 Vagrancy Handicap on Carolyn's Cat at 11-2, then, next day, won the Met Mile (for the second year in a row) on Bribon for Ribaudo.

Last Sunday, Garcia flew to Woodbine, just outside Toronto, to win the $300,000 Nassau Stakes on Rutherienne at 4-5 for Clement.

"Alan's confidence level could not be higher," McLaughlin said. "He's on a roll."

Calvin too is just pouring it on since taking the Kentucky Oaks, Kentucky Derby and Preakness. As the DRF said he's been winning in bunches (http://www.drf.com/news/article/104125.html).

At at Churchill Downs, he went on an incredible tear last weekend, riding 14 winners during a span of just 25 races. His recent hot streak encompassed five-win days both Saturday and Monday. It began with the last race on Friday, when he won aboard Expect Validity, and continued through the ninth race Monday on Heavenly Chorus.

In the middle of that he won the G3 Louisville Handicap on the old man (http://www.churchilldowns.com/news/archives/veteran-brass-hat-rallies-under-borel-to-win-72nd-running-grade-iii-louisville-handica) Brass Hat on May 23rd.

No disrepect to the continual jocks who also earn their share of press ink but its nice to hear of other riders beyond Gomez, Smith, Prado, or Johnny V.

As an aside: Garcia, 23, will seek to become the eighth jockey to win back-to-back Belmont Stakes. The last to do it? Ron Turcotte who won with Riva Ridge and Secretariat in 1972-73. Bill Shoemaker is the last jockey to win with his first two Belmont mounts - Gallant Man (1957) and Sword Dancer (1959).

Laurierace

Jun. 2, 2009, 07:26 PM

Wow I hadn't heard about the papers begin stolen. I have forgotten papers before and been able to run. I was fined $25 I think. If the horse had been claimed the fine would have been bigger.

EponaRoan

Jun. 3, 2009, 01:15 AM

Glimmerglass

Jun. 3, 2009, 09:30 AM

The tv coverage by ESPN and ABC for Belmont on Saturday (plus TVG and HRTV, which both have access) will be more extensive then expected.

ESPN picks up coverage at 12 pm EST and only hands-off to ABC at 5 p.m EST for the main show's 2-hour Belmont Stakes coverage.

ABC Sports will use 38 cameras to cover the race, including a super slo-mo camera and a helicopter camera.

For the slick packaged features look for (per ESPN):

Calvin Borel on life after the Derby; Chip Woolley on training Mine That Bird; Kenny Mayne on riding with Woolley from his home in New Mexico to Belmont Park; Trainer Nick Zito on his love for the Belmont; and what makes a longshot.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 3, 2009, 09:37 AM

If you cannot beat MLW, then you can support her ... Jenny Craig hopes her Chocolate Candy will win, but (http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/51065/owner-craig-chocolate-candy-walk-the-walk):

“I saw old friends like Marylou Whitney,” Craig said. “We’ve been at the races many times together, and, in fact, we almost bought a horse together. I guess we’re going up against Marylou (who owns Luv Gov) in the Belmont, and if I don’t win, there’s nobody else I’d rather see win than her.”

One Daily Racing Form headline screamed the same point made before: Dunkirk the Belmont's forgotten horse (http://drf.com/news/article/104285.html) :D

Ah the fickle nature of racing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X75mry1LcFg)

"That's the nature of it, you know," Todd Pletcher, the trainer of Dunkirk, said recently. "One bad race, you turn people off; June 6 he could be right back on top."

"He's already won two mile-and-an-eighth races, he's got a very efficient stride, he's got what seems to be the capabilities in the mornings and in his mile-and-an-eighth races to click off those 24-second quarters," Pletcher said. "I think that will suit him well in this race if we can get a cleaner trip than we got in the Derby."

"I think he's settled in well here, his attitude's been good, his appetite's been good, his breezes have been good," Pletcher said. "We're optimistic that he's going to show up and run to his capabilities."

Glimmerglass

Jun. 3, 2009, 10:38 AM

Quality Road does not have any recent works, and I haven't heard anything new about how his quarter crack patch is holding up.

DRF June 1: Quality Road has week of training (http://www.drf.com/news/article/104273.html)

Jerkens said while Quality Road has the Z bar shoe, the area where the quarter is healing is not covered by a shoe.

"He's not quite as smooth as he would be if he had a regular shoe, but he's getting used to it," Jerkens said. "He's getting better every day."

Quality Road could return to the work tab this weekend, but Jerkens wouldn't speculate on when the horse could return to the races.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 3, 2009, 11:17 AM

From the Belmont Draw for the 141st Belmont Stakes (Grade 1) $1 Million

PP. Horse (Jockey) ML Odds
1. Chocolate Candy (Garrett Gomez) : 10-1
2. Dunkirk (John Velazquez): 4-1
3. Mr. Hot Stuff (Edgar Prado): 15-1
4. Summer Bird (Kent Desormeaux): 12-1
5. Luv Gov (Miguel Mena): 20-1
6. Charitable Man (Alan Garcia): 3-1
7. Mine That Bird (Calvin Borel): 2-1
8. Flying Private (Julien Leparoux): 12-1
9. Miner's Escape (Jose Lezcano): 15-1
10. Brave Victory (Rajiv Maragh): 15-1

findeight

Jun. 3, 2009, 12:15 PM

Dunkirk 4-1 based on????

Ya' know...when you convince people to ante up a million+ for a yearling, can you really do anything but keep pumping it to keep it in the barn?

He's a looker, grant you that. But isn't he at 2 allowance wins, a visably exhausted second in the Florida Derby and way up the track in the Ky Derby?

I always wonder how much of what is said is for the benefit of those paying the bills or to keep a job/ride and how much is really the truth. I mean, no jock or trainer is going to say the owner is delusional and the thing is chicken hearted, slow and a goat at heart, are they?

Glimmerglass

Jun. 3, 2009, 01:14 PM

The final odds will of course shift and I doubt the Luv Gov, for example, will go off at 20-1. Bettors will put money on him for a variety of reasons: the Whitney/DWL association, long-shots have done well, cute name that resonates with NYers ...

As for Dunkirk I don't think his final odds will be too far off from that 4-1 ML. For all the reasons Todd cited that he's worthy to be in there I'd say they're valid. He's more fresh then say MTB, Flying Private or Charitable Man who have all raced more recently, etc.

I'd say if anything the odds maker is being a tad overly charitable with the two Nick Zito horses. At the press conference not even Nick could really come up with much to say about either and chances for an upset. He said they're live mounts but I suspect both will have odds drifting above 10-1.

As an aside Calvin Borel taped an appearance of "The Late Show with David Letterman" Monday to be aired this Friday. Per the New York Post he got to meet fellow guest Paris Hilton, whom he described as being "very nice." Perhaps Dave had her booked as guest as she knows a thing or two or three about being ridden hard ... ouch ;)

tx3dayeventer

Jun. 3, 2009, 02:21 PM

I was looking at my OTTB's JC papers. He was bred by the same people that own and bred Summer Bird!!!!!! Dr. K. K. Jayaraman & Dr. V. Devi Jayaraman. How cool is that!?!?!

LaurieB

Jun. 3, 2009, 03:52 PM

I was looking at my OTTB's JC papers. He was bred by the same people that own and bred Summer Bird!!!!!! Dr. K. K. Jayaraman & Dr. V. Devi Jayaraman. How cool is that!?!?!

Very cool! Does that mean you'll be placing a bet on Saturday? ;)

War Admiral

Jun. 3, 2009, 06:54 PM

Glimmerglass

Jun. 4, 2009, 12:30 AM

I can't find the link now, but did anybody see the pic of MTB arriving at Belmont? Is it me, or does he look a little (trying to be diplomatic here - NOT my skill set! :lol:)... hard-raced?

He looks ok to me. While the flight was uneventful I cannot think getting on a plane for the first time, then whisked off upon arrival onto a semi (vs the "little" trailer) is much fun.

AP Photo/Stephen Chernin: MTB after arriving at Belmont Park (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090603/483/6417ed89e89a48ee9466854847c29726/)

AP Photo/Stephen Chernin: MTB after arriving at Belmont Park off Brook Ledge (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090603/483/e2927dde5c1b48968555a964a0c47515/#photoViewer=/090603/483/53b3622357c3434f9b5914bad3fa5934)

AP Photo/Stephen Chernin: MTB after arriving at Belmont Park in paddock (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//090603/483/e2927dde5c1b48968555a964a0c47515/#photoViewer=/090603/483/5b3a1ce0f29740579c4b481967b8d187)

Glimmerglass

Jun. 4, 2009, 01:00 AM

As cited before - Calvin is not a Belmont versed rider. Yes he's rode there but the show just how stark those numbers are (http://drf.com/news/article/104327.html):

Calvin Borel has ridden 31,209 mounts in his 26-year career. Seven have come at Belmont Park, only four on the dirt. None has been at 1 1/2 miles.

Borel's fifth dirt mount at this track won't come until he climbs aboard Kentucky Derby Mine That Bird in Saturday's 141st Belmont Stakes. It is his only mount on the 13-race card.

"No one really called about the [undercard] stakes, and I really didn't want to ride any of the other undercard races," [Calvin's agent Jerry Hissam] said by phone from Kentucky Wednesday morning.

Once again it is odd that trainers didn't try to line him up for the undercard races - there are many graded stakes on Saturday that you'd think he'd try just as hard as ever to win.

Borel's lone win over Belmont Park's dirt track came aboard Kelly Pond on July 10, 1999, in a 5 1/2-furlong race.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 4, 2009, 08:29 AM

The undercard for Saturday's Belmont is just packed with names who are very well known! It looks like it should be some fantastic racing from start to finish.

Equibase June 6 Entries - Belmont Paark (http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbRaceEntriesDisplay.cfm?TRK=BEL&CY=USA&DATE=06/06/2009&STYLE=BEL)

Two of my favorite grinders in the 1st: Justin P plus Knife and Fork
Benny the Bull in the Grade 2 True North Handicap
I Lost My Choo and Forever Together in the Grade 1 Just a Game Stakes

Thw Woody Stephens (Grade 2) looks like a Kentucky Derby prep race, including
This Ones for Phil
Munnings
Regal Ransom
Hello Broadway
Hull

In the Acorn Stakes (Grade 1) we'll hear Tom Durkin calling Doremifasollatido ;) She was actually named intentionally for the fun of hearing the name called.

The Grade 1 Woodford Reserve Manhattan Handicap has Better Talk Now but also one important entry who has flopped in the US to date - but now with a possible crucial jockey change: Zambezi Sun with Julien Leparoux. That could be the formula change needed to get him to relax.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 4, 2009, 09:15 AM

A cajun smack in reference to Calvin's prediction? (http://www.nola.com/horseracing/index.ssf/2009/06/kent_desormeaux_calls_fellow_j.html)

"I think Calvin is naive," said Kent Desormeaux, who'll be riding Summer Bird in the Belmont. "He's naive about the historical event. He's naive about the situation he's in. He's in a different place. I remember being like that with Real Quiet. You think you're invincible. I know the place he's in."

Glimmerglass

Jun. 4, 2009, 10:36 AM

Glimmerglass

Jun. 4, 2009, 11:34 AM

ESPN/NYT contribtor Bill Finley's view on how this race will shape up. ESPN 6-4-09 Finley: "Belmont a two-horse race" (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/triplecrown09/columns/story?columnist=finley_bill&id=4228620)

If Mine That Bird doesn't come through, it looks like the only two horses than can win Saturday are Charitable Man and Dunkirk.

My pick is Dunkirk, the same horse I selected to win the Kentucky Derby. On paper, his Derby was abysmal. .... Very impressive in his first two career starts and then a solid second in the Florida Derby, he's a much better horse than he showed in the Derby.

Box those two in the exacta and use them and Brave Victory, Miner's Escape (Zito's horses always run well in the Belmont), Flying Private Chocolate Candy in the trifectas.

Finley's Belmont Selections
1. Dunkirk
2. Charitable Man
3. Miner's Escape

In regards to Mine That Bird, Bill Finley like others say he'll suffer from a significant loss of pace, which makes one wonder why they didn't put in a rabbit in the Belmont! I would have if I was them ;)

When he launches his bid, presumably from well back, he will be trying to run down horses that have not been beaten up by quick early fractions. They won't be easy to catch. And he cannot gear up any sooner than he did in the Derby and Preakness. Mine That Bird may have an explosive burst, but it's sustainable for only so long. If Borel puts him into gear five or six furlongs out he's going to fizzle in deep stretch.

Calena

Jun. 4, 2009, 11:40 AM

As an aside, does anyone know or have you seen mention of Belmont Park replacing the destroyed bronze statue of Secretariat (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2009/05/21/2009-05-21_secretariat_statue_destroyed_in_crash_fatal_at_ belmont_park.html)?

I'm sure more then a few people making the trek to Elmont this weekend for the Belmont Stakes will want to see it and sadly (for multiple reasons) it is gone.

Per what I've read, the statue is intact but the pedestal was destroyed. The crew at Belmont are working to build a temporary pedestal so that the statue is in place for this weekend.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 4, 2009, 06:09 PM

Thanks, Calena, for that info on the Secretariat statue

The DRF formulator version of the PP for the Belmont Stakes (Race 11) (http://www.drf.com/formulator-web/free-race.go?trackId=BEL&country=USA&raceDate=20090606&dayEvening=D&raceNumber=11#past-performance-race/11)

Formulator offers neat search through features beyond a mere static adobe file ;)

Calamber

Jun. 4, 2009, 09:33 PM

Is the statue really in the paddock? As in, where the horses are saddled? I have not been to Belmont but would have to think they are stark raving mad to put a statue of that size in the middle of a saddling enclosure. Freak accidents are what horses are made of and that is just asking for disaster, I have a hard time understanding how they would want to do that again unless the idol worshippers just cannot stand it otherwise.:no:

Larksmom

Jun. 4, 2009, 09:51 PM

What happened to the statue of Secretariat? This is news to me.

Barnfairy

Jun. 4, 2009, 09:58 PM

Larksmom, are you sitting down? It's not pretty:

Colt euthanized after post parade accident at Belmont (http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/racing-news/2009/May/20/Colt-euthanized-after-post-parade-accident-at-Belmont.aspx) :no:

Many paddocks contain potential hazards, not the least of which are people lolling about.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 4, 2009, 10:05 PM

Is the statue really in the paddock? As in, where the horses are saddled?

Not as per say. You can see the statue here, before the fatal accident (http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/colt-euthanized-after-running-into-statue/), and how while in the paddock area it wasn't any more of a "let's be careful" object for a horse to run into then say a tree. I mean who thinks I horse wouldn't have dodged an 8' high solid object? I cannot imagine how horrific it would've been to have seen this occur or even the post-impact scene.

As an aside Genuine Risk's career was ended when she got loose on the Belmont backstretch and nailed her leg against a fire-hydrant plug.

Anyhow I didn't mean to bring down this thread on such a somber note.

Larksmom

Jun. 4, 2009, 10:18 PM

I heard about the accident, but.... I had no idea.. and er, were bits of him on statue? What happend to pedestal? I amsorry but that statue is just so Belmont. I got to go to Saratoga in 2000 I think when the Munnings exibit was there. I got to see City Zip win a race, so I have sort of followed him and his offspring.
No mean to hi jack :sad:

But on to I guess better news, I think MTB might do it, and the speculation is why they do it! You know last year we were ready to crown Big Brown. No reason to think he wouldn't run all day.
on another note, I was watching the Finish Line on TVG this morning, and one of the stakes this week, maybe the Sands Point, First three finishers were all Dynaformers!

Calena

Jun. 4, 2009, 10:23 PM

I have a question for the real race horse trainers. Charitable Man is considered a favored contender in the race. I don't get it. I realize his sire (Lemon Drop Kid) won the race and CM has shown he's a class race horse. He likes the surface and has experience over it, which is good. His record is winning 3 out of 4. All good. But so far, his best effort was winning a Grade 2 at 1-1/8 miles carrying 116 lbs. How does that translate into being the best contender in a Grade 1 at 1-1/2 miles carrying 126 lbs? It seems to me the horse needs to take a HUGE step up to get the job done.

I just keep seeing the horse doing great for about 1-1/4 mi and then deciding he's had enough for the day.

Not to change the subject, but I love this quote from D. Wayne Lukas:

D. Wayne Lukas, a four-time winner of the Belmont, also has two
runners, Luv Gov and Flying Private. "They all can run a mile and a half,"
Lukas said. "Some just take longer than others."
:lol::lol::lol:

War Admiral

Jun. 4, 2009, 11:18 PM

He looks ok to me. While the flight was uneventful I cannot think getting on a plane for the first time, then whisked off upon arrival onto a semi (vs the "little" trailer) is much fun.

Yeah, having now seen more than just the first pic off the line, I take it back - he looks fine! :yes:

What a terribly sad story about the Secretariat statue; I had no idea. :(

Glimmerglass

Jun. 4, 2009, 11:30 PM

I am sorry but that statue is just so Belmont.

The original bronze was executed by sculptor John Skeaping in 1974 and presented as a gift of Paul Mellon. However that original was moved in 1988 to the National Museum at Saratoga where it is today and this (actually smaller) version made for Belmont.

The statue site on May 25, however it should be returned by today (http://www.jessicachapel.com/tags/secretariat-statue/)

After some digging the status is such that: The statue of Secretariat toppled over but remained intact with a few nicks, but the engraved concrete pedestal was cracked into three pieces. The statue of is scheduled to return to the Belmont paddock this weekend, according to NYRA officials.

A mahogany wooden base will be installed on which the bronze statue will sit. This will be in place through the Belmont summer meet. A new concrete base with the full inscription of Secretariat's accomplishments is expected to be completed and installed in time for the fall meet, which begins on Sept. 11.

Getting back to the 141st Belmont Stakes ... how about the weather?

It rained Thursday, the high was 68 degrees, and heavier rain and cooler temperatures are forecast for Friday. But the outlook for Saturday is promising, with a high temperature of 77 degrees and a 20-percent chance of rain.

Again, post time for the Belmont is scheduled for 6:27 p.m. The race is part of a two-hour ABC telecast beginning at 5 p.m. Before that, ESPN will show all the undercard races that are run between noon and 5 p.m.

Larksmom

Jun. 4, 2009, 11:41 PM

I could rip out sat dish and just watch, I should have a regular old tv just for that purpose. However, this year, I am almost glad there won't be a triple. I have to go to a WEDDING! I can probably sneak in a view at the Reception. I have to go. A daughter of very good friends. I rarely go to these shin-digs, but I suppose I can this one time....

go Bird!

DickHertz

Jun. 5, 2009, 12:38 PM

It's been almost five weeks since the Derby...how bad is Chip Wooley's leg to still be walking on crutches !!!???

bort84

Jun. 5, 2009, 01:14 PM

It's been almost five weeks since the Derby...how bad is Chip Wooley's leg to still be walking on crutches !!!???

I'm pretty sure it was an ankle injury, and those can be BAD. My boyfriend got hit by a car (on foot) and had 6 (maybe more?) pins put in his ankle. He was on crutches for weeks, and then for another couple of months he had to wear one of those casts you can walk on and use a cane... Ankle injuries are not good.

Also, does anyone think it's strange that there are STILL people who get Mine That Bird's name wrong? I've read several blog posts (by people who claim to be serious racing fans) and a few legit online articles that are still referring to him as Mind That Bird... Hello people, he won the Derby and got second in the Preakness. Get it right! It's really not that complicated, a little strange, sure, but not actually difficult.

Cammie

Jun. 5, 2009, 01:24 PM

It's been almost five weeks since the Derby...how bad is Chip Wooley's leg to still be walking on crutches !!!???

I thought I had read somewhere that Wooley had shattered his leg with multiple fractures, but I can't find that quote now- the only mention I see now says his leg required a plate and 12 screws. But I did read that he slipped and fell a few days before the Derby and refractured one of the bones. Ouch.

bort84

Jun. 5, 2009, 01:27 PM

I thought I had read somewhere that Wooley had shattered his leg with multiple fractures, but I can't find that quote now- the only mention I see now says his leg required a plate and 12 screws. But I did read that he slipped and fell a few days before the Derby and refractured one of the bones. Ouch.

Oh wow, 12 screws. Yeah, that'll lay you up for more than a few weeks. Ick.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 5, 2009, 01:37 PM

Also, does anyone think it's strange that there are STILL people who get Mine That Bird's name wrong?

The 'D' key and 'E' key are pretty close on any standard keyboard and at first glance Mind makes more sene but agreed on the faux pas. Then again I've heard "Rachel Alex-ANDER" waaaaay too many times by people in the equine media - even with race calls.

I suspect the connections think they can say his or or name any way they want to but just get the 'pay to the order of' check correct ;)

bort84

Jun. 5, 2009, 01:44 PM

The 'D' key and 'E' key are pretty close on any standard keyboard and at first glance Mind makes more sene but agreed on the faux pas. Then again I've heard "Rachel Alex-ANDER" waaaaay too many times by people in the equine media - even with race calls.

I suspect the connections think they can say his or or name any way they want to but just get the 'pay to the order of' check correct ;)

Haha, I suppose you're correct, and the Rachel Alexander thing bugs me too - how much more famous can a horse be? I guess people as a group often aren't known for their attention to detail = )

danceronice

Jun. 5, 2009, 08:57 PM

For some reason, "Rachel Alexander" is ringing a bell as a name of someone famous...

Barnfairy

Jun. 5, 2009, 09:15 PM

For some reason, "Rachel Alexander" is ringing a bell as a name of someone famous...This Rachel (http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/columnists/jimbaumbach/blog/2009/05/is_an_espn_reporter_going_for.html), perhaps? ;)

Glimmerglass

Jun. 6, 2009, 04:37 PM

The ESPN Coverage thus far as been pretty good as you can only fill that much time between with races with emotional and/or funny segments.

Every time they show the stands you just have to roll your eyes. If they have 45,000 people there I'd be surprised. While they will get more people arriving by the 10th race (in time for the 11th with the Belmont Stakes) I still think they won't break 60,000.

A true shame as the undercard races have been wicked fast and exciting! Two runners have set stakes records and almost touched track records in time.

War Admiral

Jun. 6, 2009, 04:48 PM

Is there anywhere to watch it online if you don't get ESPN360?

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:14 PM

The actual race is on ABC.

BasqueMom

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:15 PM

It's on ABC right now. ESPN switched over about 4pm CT.

Guin

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:16 PM

Go Calvin!

SLW

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:17 PM

Does anyone else think Charitable Man short strides w/ his RR?? In the paddock he had an odd way about him....

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:18 PM

Look for ABC Channel 7 in NY if you can't find it anywhere else. You may have to download the player first:

http://www.tvunetworks.com/

Guin

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:21 PM

"Saratoga socialite Mary Lou Whitney"???????????? Uh - a little disrespectful to one of racing's greatest horsewomen?

Guin

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:22 PM

Linda Eder? I'm seeing her perform on Tuesday with the Boston Pops. Who knew?

Guin

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:30 PM

they're off!

appychik

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:32 PM

Shoot. Good race though. Neat to see the other Birdstone colt won though.

Guin

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:33 PM

woo hoo, Desormeaux!

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:33 PM

Wow! How about Dunkirk hanging in there?!

texang73

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:34 PM

Bummer about Mine that Bird, but decent third for him and yet another reason that he's not a fluke. And I am not surprised that another Birdstone offspring won! :D

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:34 PM

Sorry, but it STINKS that the first interview is not with the winner.

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:35 PM

Inquiry light is on.

Guin

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:35 PM

Inquiry!

Guin

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:36 PM

Sorry, but it STINKS that the first interview is not with the winner.

ABC is just horrible.

Baroque-n-Dreams

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:36 PM

Well,this is the season for giving us "the bird"!.....:winkgrin:

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:38 PM

If MTB didn't win, I was rooting for Dunkirk.

danceronice

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:42 PM

I think this is the season of Birdstone! MTB ran quite well for being a bit rank, we'll see if Dunkirk's placing holds, and Summer Bird likes his blinkers. I predict an increase in Birdstone's stud fee in the future.

J. Turner

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:44 PM

Do you think Chip Wooley was upset at Calvin or do you think he really was rank. He seemed to give Calvin the benefit of the doubt, but usually trainers aren't quite so frank. I'm not saying he was bitter. Maybe speaking the truth - or at least what he thought - is refreshing.

ThisTooShallPass

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:44 PM

I had to listen over the phone. Knew in my heart when they said he was in last, that Calvin had him too far back this race.

But the race certainly points for more favorable things for their sire.

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:46 PM

Interesting comment that the CA horses, who are racing at home on synthetic surfaces, don't like the dirt now and don't do well on it.

Drvmb1ggl3

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:46 PM

Borel lost that one BIG time.

danceronice

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:48 PM

Meanwhile, can we give props to Kent Desormeaux? As they just said, lesson learned with Real Quiet.

And yes, what happened with Chocolate Candy?

Todd Pletcher: where he is concerned, apparently the Belmont is for girls. (The guy just has some kind of Triple Crown jinx.)

Guin

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:48 PM

Coming in third is not exactly "losing big time."

War Admiral

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:49 PM

Borel lost that one BIG time.

Have to agree w/ this. MTB is still a wicked cool little hoss.

BTW - Have 2 by the same sire ever been in the money in the Belmont in the same race before?

Congrats to Desormeaux and Summer Bird!!!

Vesper Sparrow

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:50 PM

Wow! How about Dunkirk hanging in there?!

My thoughts exactly. Setting the pace and then fighting all the way. He has a lot of class.

Beverley

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:51 PM

Well, it was an exciting race- I thought Woolley's remarks (while gracious) were telltale- you have to keep the horse under wraps or he'll take off on you, 'it's what he does.' Still, if it were my horse, I'd be delighted with a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd!

J. Turner

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:53 PM

Borel lost that one BIG time.

Jerry Bailey is certainly giving him the benefit of the doubt in terms of the horse being a bit on his toes, ready to go, and rank. He said that if Calvin had put him under wraps he would've expended as much energy as letting him gallop on some strides.

But he also said Calvin didn't say on the rail. Maybe because he was too in the bridle? Maybe the move was too soon though. Mine That Bird is still a class horse: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

Foxtrot's

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:54 PM

Kent would know how Calvin is feeling after Kent's ride on Real Quiet. I went to Calgary with a friend to buy a horse from auction - we picked Real Candy (Real Quiet) - winner of BC Oakes and now a broodmare back in Kentucky with a Malibou Moon baby.

All the hype on MTB and Calvin (love them) but not fair on the rest of the field. Now the blame game.

Drvmb1ggl3

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:56 PM

Coming in third is not exactly "losing big time."

If you're running for third. He blew it with the move. He moved way too soon. Huge mistake to not have taken a ride on the undercard or in the previous days. He came around that home turn like he was in a 6f bullring in Louisiana.

DLee

Jun. 6, 2009, 06:57 PM

So much for Rachel "ruining" the Triple Crown.

danceronice

Jun. 6, 2009, 07:02 PM

So much for Rachel "ruining" the Triple Crown.

Would he have ridden the same race on a horse with the Derby and the Preakness both? ABC had an interesting hypothetical ride for Borel on MTB in the Belmont which woudl have had him a length in front of RA instead. So at this point, who knows? She still breezed in, won, and as they put it "exited stage left." I'll be waiting to see when she comes back and where she finishes, and if she runs against males again and wins more decisively or runs against Zenyata without being given weight and wins.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 6, 2009, 07:04 PM

As Kent just remarked a couple days ago ....

A cajun smack in reference to Calvin's prediction? (http://www.nola.com/horseracing/index.ssf/2009/06/kent_desormeaux_calls_fellow_j.html)"I think Calvin is naive," said Kent Desormeaux, who'll be riding Summer Bird in the Belmont. "He's naive about the historical event. He's naive about the situation he's in. He's in a different place. I remember being like that with Real Quiet. You think you're invincible. I know the place he's in."

In regards to ABC/ESPN doing the interview with Chip before the Summer Bird connections it is simply because they had a reporter stationed next to Chip. It was simply a matter of immediate access. I doubt they had a seperate reported next to every owner/trainer.

No reason to knock ABC's reporting. The immediate story crossing the line for the viewers who sent off MTB at even money was the loss - not the victory.

Once again Marylou Whitney enjoys the benefits with Birdstone as a sire :D The very overpriced Smarty Jones as sire beaten again.

War Admiral

Jun. 6, 2009, 07:04 PM

Y'know what? Mine That Bird is still Canadian 2 y/o Champion and 1-2-3 in the Triple Crown races. He's a helluvahoss!! :yes:

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 07:05 PM

He blew it with the move. He moved way too soon. Huge mistake to not have taken a ride on the undercard or in the previous days. He came around that home turn like he was in a 6f bullring in Louisiana.

It's easy to say "he blew it" when you're not the one on the horse for that ride. Sounds like he didn't want to move "way too soon" but the way the horse was acting ON THIS DAY, sounds like it was let him go a little or have a fight with him on your hands, which could have led to worse results. Then you'd be saying he really blew it-you could see the horse fighting him, why didn't he let him go a little instead of choking him and having him quit? :rolleyes:

DLee

Jun. 6, 2009, 07:06 PM

Would he have ridden the same race on a horse with the Derby and the Preakness both? ABC had an interesting hypothetical ride for Borel on MTB in the Belmont which woudl have had him a length in front of RA instead. So at this point, who knows? She still breezed in, won, and as they put it "exited stage left." I'll be waiting to see when she comes back and where she finishes, and if she runs against males again and wins more decisively or runs against Zenyata without being given weight and wins.

What if. What if. What if. Lots of those on the road to the Triple Crown.

Lamma70

Jun. 6, 2009, 07:10 PM

I thought it was a great race, and they should be damn proud to have a horse that finished 1-2-3 in the triple crown races. Go Mine That Bird!! What a great horse!!

Filly85'

Jun. 6, 2009, 07:15 PM

It's easy to say "he blew it" when you're not the one on the horse for that ride. Sounds like he didn't want to move "way too soon" but the way the horse was acting ON THIS DAY, sounds like it was let him go a little or have a fight with him on your hands, which could have led to worse results. Then you'd be saying he really blew it-you could see the horse fighting him, why didn't he let him go a little instead of choking him and having him quit? :rolleyes:

You are so right. Mine that Bird was a bit anxious in the post parade as well. I've never seen him act so hyped up. Running the three triple crown races really does take a toll on them both mentally and physically. I thought he might be a little keen in the race. However, Mine that Bird proved that he is a fantastic little horse and I look very forward to seeing him race for the rest of the year.

Word just in from TVG that Dunkirk tyed up after the race. He is fine now though. He ran a great race too!

But the day belonged to Kent D. He won so many races today! He was on fire!!!!

ThisTooShallPass

Jun. 6, 2009, 07:25 PM

Anyone have a link to the race? youtube or anywhere? TIA

Never mind, for some reason took 40 minutes to find any youtube link. *argh*

Guin

Jun. 6, 2009, 07:26 PM

Anyone have a link to the race? youtube or anywhere? TIA

ABC should have it.

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 07:40 PM

Running the three triple crown races really does take a toll on them both mentally and physically.

I don't think it took a toll on MTB. I think he was acting up because he was fit and happy and rarin' to go. I think that last 1/4 mile in the Belmont always surprises them. [Except for Secretariat, of course, who just ate it up. But then, I guess EVERYTHING in racing you could say, "except for Secretariat." (LOL)].

Anyway - I think a lot of them, like Smarty Jones and maybe MTB are saying "yikes, I thought I was done, you mean there's MORE???!" as they come down that LONG stretch, and they get caught.

texang73

Jun. 6, 2009, 07:54 PM

Coming in third is not exactly "losing big time."

Agreed. That was a very respectable, hard running third. It's not like he was 10 lengths back...

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 08:01 PM

Whole race not up yet but will be soon. Finish at:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/triplecrown09/news/story?id=4237553

anchorsaway

Jun. 6, 2009, 08:03 PM

What about the interview(s) with Summer Bird's connections?
Way to throw Desormeaux under the bus...:eek::eek:

Calena

Jun. 6, 2009, 08:15 PM

Good race. I have finally forgiven Birdstone for beating Smarty. He's more than made up for it with the great racing his offspring are giving us.

I'm hoping that we'll see the very good MTB continue racing. Win or loose, it's never dull with him in the race.

No big surprises this time.

Congrats to Summer Bird and all his connections, especially Kent D. Everyone came home sound and healthy and it was a good season for the sport.

I'm really glad I don't bet, 'cause I'd loose :lol::lol:.

rcloisonne

Jun. 6, 2009, 08:27 PM

I don't think it took a toll on MTB. I think he was acting up because he was fit and happy and rarin' to go.
I don't think he looked "happy" at all. He was weaving in his stall and also doing that constant push down with one front foot, chewing thing a little Arab I had used to do whenever he was very anxious. Coupled with his over the top behavior before the race, I'd say MTB was one stressed out little gelding.

Anyway - I think a lot of them, like Smarty Jones and maybe MTB are saying "yikes, I thought I was done, you mean there's MORE???!" as they come down that LONG stretch, and they get caught.
Kent was absolutely right about where Calvin's over confident head was and it cost him the race, IMO. Granted, the MTB he rode today was a much different horse mentally than the one he had in the KD. I thought it very odd both he and Woolley seemed unconcerned about (didn't seem to notice?) MTB's atypical pre-race behavior.

The "other Bird" looked like a winner today, even before the race. Congratulations to his connections.

Beverley

Jun. 6, 2009, 08:40 PM

Ya know, watching Secretariat's finish still gets me, 35 years later.

grayarabs

Jun. 6, 2009, 09:07 PM

I haven't seen an overhead view of the race - I am guessing CB could not get MTB to the rail? no opening?
I wish MTB had won but finishing 1,2,3 in the TC series still awesome.
He ran all three races and did well. (I always hate it when fresh horses win, but that is how it goes).

grayarabs

Jun. 6, 2009, 09:10 PM

Oh - did CB move MTB out because if he had hoped to tuck in behind horses on the rail -using them as a wall to slow him down without fighting him - he might have clipped heels?

imissvixen

Jun. 6, 2009, 09:18 PM

No one got hurt and it was exciting. MTB was fabulous as was his half brother. Congrats to both of them.

I found it amusing that the ABC rider's horse was named Ace.

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 09:20 PM

Kent was absolutely right about where Calvin's over confident head was and it cost him the race, IMO. Granted, the MTB he rode today was a much different horse mentally than the one he had in the KD. I thought it very odd both he and Woolley seemed unconcerned about (didn't seem to notice?) MTB's atypical pre-race behavior.

Sometimes racehorses are very ready to run and are just eager to get out there. Sure, it'd be nice if he saved it all for the track but I don't know if I'd go so far as to say he was "one stressed out little gelding." Yikes.

NO WAY Borel & Woolley "didn't seem to notice" his atypical behavior, but what are they gonna say? "Oh, he's a stressed out little gelding"? "Oh, no, look at him, we're really worried about how he's acting - it's gonna blow his chances...." C'MON. I'd bet my paycheck they know their horse extremely well but feel no obligation to reveal all their observations, feelings, & concerns to somebody shoving a microphone in their face minutes before the biggest race of the year.

Can you imagine if Borel in the pre-race warm-up said, he feels terrible, it's all over, he's just not himself right now....? No, they're not going to say that. And they shouldn't.

Roulett

Jun. 6, 2009, 09:26 PM

Once again Marylou Whitney enjoys the benefits with Birdstone as a sire :D

When all is said and done, Birdstone shines as sire of a Derby winner and a Belmont
winner ------- I was hoping Calvin could pull this off but MTB proved he was a good horse and ran a good race and as they say in Cajon country --- Ya can't beat that with a stick.

Beverley

Jun. 6, 2009, 09:31 PM

Sometimes racehorses are very ready to run and are just eager to get out there. Sure, it'd be nice if he saved it all for the track but I don't know if I'd go so far as to say he was "one stressed out little gelding." Yikes.

NO WAY Borel & Woolley "didn't seem to notice" his atypical behavior, but what are they gonna say? "Oh, he's a stressed out little gelding"? "Oh, no, look at him, we're really worried about how he's acting - it's gonna blow his chances...." C'MON. I'd bet my paycheck they know their horse extremely well but feel no obligation to reveal all their observations, feelings, & concerns to somebody shoving a microphone in their face minutes before the biggest race of the year.

Can you imagine if Borel in the pre-race warm-up said, he feels terrible, it's all over, he's just not himself right now....? No, they're not going to say that. And they shouldn't.

I agree- and if anyone has read the Funny Cide book, you will know that Barclay Tagg was internally a basket case with the way that horse was behaving pre-Belmont. IIRC, the horse reared going to the paddock among other shenanigans. But what're ya gonna do or say? You suck it up and run the race. They've all got an equal chance when the gates open, and they don't know the wagering odds.

Anne FS

Jun. 6, 2009, 09:33 PM

Quotes here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/more/06/06/summer.bird.belmont/index.html?cnn=yes

LazyTrot

Jun. 6, 2009, 09:35 PM

I was undecided whether to pick MTB or Summer Bird, until I saw the ABC pre-race clip of the interview with Calvin. When asked what he thought about todays race he said "if he (MTB) shows up to race today, he'll run big" and I thought he had reason to think MTB was perhaps not mentally ready.....

Filly85'

Jun. 6, 2009, 09:50 PM

I don't think it took a toll on MTB. I think he was acting up because he was fit and happy and rarin' to go. I think that last 1/4 mile in the Belmont always surprises them. [Except for Secretariat, of course, who just ate it up. But then, I guess EVERYTHING in racing you could say, "except for Secretariat." (LOL)].

Anyway - I think a lot of them, like Smarty Jones and maybe MTB are saying "yikes, I thought I was done, you mean there's MORE???!" as they come down that LONG stretch, and they get caught.

I would have to disagree. I've been watching these horses long enough to know that when they act up before a race when they normally don't, it is a bad sign and not a good one. I also think that the TC takes a toll on every horse that runs in all three. It is very, very hard on these horses and many are never the same again after running in all three.

Drvmb1ggl3

Jun. 6, 2009, 09:57 PM

It's easy to say "he blew it" when you're not the one on the horse for that ride. Sounds like he didn't want to move "way too soon" but the way the horse was acting ON THIS DAY, sounds like it was let him go a little or have a fight with him on your hands, which could have led to worse results. Then you'd be saying he really blew it-you could see the horse fighting him, why didn't he let him go a little instead of choking him and having him quit? :rolleyes:

He had a wall of horses five wide to help take the edge off, yet he circled them. He was scrubbing and had gone to the whip before they even straightened out. He says in the post race interview that he thought he was home free when he came off the turn, and that horses went by him. Sounds like yet another jock misjudges the Belmont stretch in a mile and half race. He then claims in the post race interview that "it was unbelievable how slow they went".... what race was he riding in? They went out in 23.41, 47.13 and 1:12.43. With fractions like that the race was a perfect setup for MTB.
He asked too soon.

I still can't believe he didn't take a race all week at Belmont. He's only ridden there a few times in the past, like 8 or 9 years ago, he could have used the refresher.

As to you can't have an opinion unless you've ridden in the Belmont yourself, what kind of cobblers is that? If that's the case no one can ever have an opinion on just about any major sport, business, political office etc.

vineyridge

Jun. 6, 2009, 10:42 PM

I wonder how many mile and a half races Calvin has ridden? There really aren't that many of them. He had one Belmont with Street Sense, but what others? I would think that last long stretch would be so different that the regular ride would need rethinking.

I'm delighted Summer Bird won. He's got Pocahontas's MtDNA, which couldn't have hurt and probably helped enormously since they fuel cell performance.

There was a really interesting interview with Wooley posted here. He seemed really blase about the whole thing; no need to give the horse any training on the Belmont track because he'll either like the surface or he won't, and giving him experience might make him like it even less. Same sort of thing with Calvin. Seems to me that he might have benefited from some work over the big sandy track in a race or something. But his agent said yesterday or the day before that nobody had called about using him.

Barnfairy

Jun. 6, 2009, 10:49 PM

I wonder how many mile and a half races Calvin has ridden? There really aren't that many of them. He had one Belmont with Street Sense, but what others? I would think that last long stretch would be so different that the regular ride would need rethinking.
I don't know how many 12F races Borel has ridden, but this was his first Belmont Stakes. Street Sense skipped it.

Drvmb1ggl3

Jun. 6, 2009, 10:50 PM

Borel had never ridden in the Belmont before. In fact he had never ridden in a mile and half race before, at least not on dirt. Street Sense did not run in the Belmont.
The track and the distance has caught out jocks before. The distance is understandable, there are little or no oppurtunities to race that distance on the main track in the US. I would think one would take the opportunity to pick up a few practice rides over the track familiarize oneself before a big race though.

Foxtrot's

Jun. 7, 2009, 01:41 AM

Reading this does make me wonder that, too. One would think with their successes and being in that league that no detail wold be too small to overlook. In all his experience he must have ridden the distance on dirt??, but the Belmont is one large circuit, not one and a half, so the stretch is longer.

It was a wonderful race - stuff of conversations for a long time to come.

lalahartma1

Jun. 7, 2009, 08:49 AM

Not alot of Belmont chatter! Does anyone have clips or shots of MTB being 'rank' and fighting Borel in the race?

Thanks!

hitchinmygetalong

Jun. 7, 2009, 08:54 AM

J. Turner

Jun. 7, 2009, 09:02 AM

Sometimes racehorses are very ready to run and are just eager to get out there. Sure, it'd be nice if he saved it all for the track but I don't know if I'd go so far as to say he was "one stressed out little gelding." Yikes.

NO WAY Borel & Woolley "didn't seem to notice" his atypical behavior, but what are they gonna say? "Oh, he's a stressed out little gelding"? "Oh, no, look at him, we're really worried about how he's acting - it's gonna blow his chances...." C'MON. I'd bet my paycheck they know their horse extremely well but feel no obligation to reveal all their observations, feelings, & concerns to somebody shoving a microphone in their face minutes before the biggest race of the year.

Can you imagine if Borel in the pre-race warm-up said, he feels terrible, it's all over, he's just not himself right now....? No, they're not going to say that. And they shouldn't.

I think Chip Woolley did:
from the DRf: "I was a little concerned when we went to the holding barn today. He was amped up a little more than he had been in his previous races. Maybe I had him a hair too fresh."

Seems like a good man, not blaming the horse.

Calamber

Jun. 7, 2009, 10:56 AM

From what I could see of the race and from the ABC interview, MTB "took hold" earlier than expected but I do not count that as rank, Calvin was as blase as could be about a dunderheaded ride, that just shows to go you cannot be so arrogant about your chances, nor think your horse is just going to win without putting in a thinking ride. He may be a "nice guy" but he lacks a little in that department. MTB has one real run in him and he was let out too early, even Woolley had to say that after the race, he was not being nasty he just said he was surprised that he did not wait, Borel never mentioned him being rank and unhandleable (maybe being politic) and Woolley also qualified his remark that he was not riding the race, you could see that he was disappointed in the way the horse was ridden. That being said, Summer Bird had wings and was just flying past, MTB might have beat Dunkirk but not the other bird!

outofthebox

Jun. 7, 2009, 11:18 AM

I saw MTB weaving in his stall during an interview with Wooley and worried that the calm, nonchalant gelding was stressed, either by the strenuous races or by his handlers and Borel, who had to deal with being a favorite and especially Borel with his bragging. As much as I love MTB, I couldn't believe Borel's "guarantee" to win, and his sightseeing and publicity tour in NY, instead of spending his time getting to know that track, and was kind of glad he got taken down a notch, although I didn't hear Borel taking any of the blame for the too early move.

mommy peanut

Jun. 7, 2009, 11:22 AM

Wasn't able to watch it:( Is it posted anywhere on line yet? well besides the racereplay site. It doesn't work on my computer?????

rcloisonne

Jun. 7, 2009, 11:51 AM

Anne FS

Jun. 7, 2009, 12:25 PM

In regards to ABC/ESPN doing the interview with Chip before the Summer Bird connections it is simply because they had a reporter stationed next to Chip. It was simply a matter of immediate access. I doubt they had a seperate reported next to every owner/trainer.

No, I'm talking about on the track. Not Chip. Calvin on MTB. The FIRST interview after the race was not with the winning jockey, but with Calvin Borel. The reporter-on-horseback could just have easily cantered up to Summer Bird. And IMO it was terrible reporting - the winning horse and the winning jockey DESERVE the first interview. They just won the Belmont!

The immediate story crossing the line for the viewers who sent off MTB at even money was the loss - not the victory.

Totally disagree with this statement. Totally.

The STORY is the winning of the Belmont Stakes. If you're a decent reporter, that is.

Anne FS

Jun. 7, 2009, 12:27 PM

I think Chip Woolley did:
from the DRf: "I was a little concerned when we went to the holding barn today. He was amped up a little more than he had been in his previous races. Maybe I had him a hair too fresh."

Seems like a good man, not blaming the horse.

I agree with you. My comments were for the people who were claiming that the trainer and jockey "didn't seem to notice" his behavior. I don't believe that for a second.

LaurieB

Jun. 7, 2009, 01:46 PM

Did anyone see where Charitable Man got severely checked in the stretch? No one is discussing him because he came in fourth, but he was right in the middle of it for much of the race. I was watching the stretch run and that horse got stopped by something. The chart doesn't really mention anything notable. I thought for sure there would be a DQ somewhere in the top three.

He's a gorgeous, gorgeous horse and I was really hoping he would carry the Warren silks to victory. But there may have been no beating Summer Bird. What a battle that race was.

There was an inquiry, and the stewards went back and looked at it again for a few minutes before letting the results stand. In my opinion, they always seem to be reluctant to take someone down in a race this size even when they think perhaps it might have been warranted.

hitchinmygetalong

Jun. 7, 2009, 06:59 PM

Well, that is rotten luck for Charitable Man. But that's the racing game, I guess. :(

danceronice

Jun. 7, 2009, 07:11 PM

It honestly didn't look that bad to me from the head-on. I didn't see, for example, Charitable Man's jockey have to take up hard, or even the horse's head come up at all. Since the stewards have that angle and I think at least one other, I figured they thought much the same--it was close, but not serious enough to warrant making any changes.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 8, 2009, 11:00 AM

In regards to Charitable Man - the connections aren't sore loosers (http://drf.com/news/article/104451.html):

Charitable Man had "a couple of little nicks," trainer Kiaran McLaughlin said, but otherwise was fine. Charitable Man had to check inside the furlong pole. The stewards conducted an inquiry into the stretch run, but no change was made.

"He ran well," McLaughlin said. "The last furlong he got squeezed, and it cost us some ground, but I don't disagree with the call. He was kind of empty after a mile and three-eighths."

Where to next? Some horses are already being pointed (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2009/06/08/2009-06-08_woolleys_bird_gets_ready_to_fly_all_season.html") to late summer races:

Summer Bird will summer in Saratoga, with the Jim Dandy, Aug. 1, and the Travers Stakes, Aug. 29, his next two stops

Dunkirk may go to the Haskell Invitational, August 2nd Monmouth Park

Charitable Man may try the Haskell, also, before trying the Travers.

Mine That Bird is ultimately pointed to the Nov. 7 Breeders' Cup Classic at Santa Anita. Between now and then they'll consider running in any one (or more) of the following races: "the Travers, the Haskell, the Pennsylvania Derby, the West Virginia Derby."

I assume Luv Gov who finished a respectable 5th will most likely race at Saratoga too so that Marylou can watch.

caffeinated

Jun. 8, 2009, 11:09 AM

No, I'm talking about on the track. Not Chip. Calvin on MTB. The FIRST interview after the race was not with the winning jockey, but with Calvin Borel. The reporter-on-horseback could just have easily cantered up to Summer Bird. And IMO it was terrible reporting - the winning horse and the winning jockey DESERVE the first interview. They just won the Belmont!

The SAME thing happened last year and it made me want to throw things at the TV. Instead of talking about the winners, they spent almost the entire half hour after the race talking about what "happened" to Big Brown, instead of the awesomeness that was Da'Tara. I think they showed the ceremony in the winners circle then went right back to the Big Brown show.

Vesper Sparrow

Jun. 8, 2009, 11:35 AM

The SAME thing happened last year and it made me want to throw things at the TV. Instead of talking about the winners, they spent almost the entire half hour after the race talking about what "happened" to Big Brown, instead of the awesomeness that was Da'Tara. I think they showed the ceremony in the winners circle then went right back to the Big Brown show.

In retrospect, NBC's coverage of the Preakness this year was definitely the best of the three TC events IMO.

Glimmerglass

Jun. 8, 2009, 11:50 AM

The initial overnight TV ratings - as expected - fell (http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/51162/overnight-tv-ratings-fall-for-belmont?id=51162) with ABC Sports coverage. Although the storyline of Mine That Bird did bump the ratings better then in other non-Triple Crown years

The overall rating for the two-hour presentation was 4.3. The rating represents the number of televisions tuned to the event, with each point representing approximately 800,000 television sets.

While the rating is down significantly from 2008’s 8.4 when Big Brown was going for the Triple Crown, it did represent an increase from the last two non-Triple Crown-possible years in 2007 and 2006, which did 3.1 and 3.6, respectively.

For the race segment of the telecast from 5:30-7 p.m. ET, the Belmont did a 5.0, down from last year’s 9.5, but up from 2007’s 3.5 and 2006’s 3.8.

As has been published widely - it really didn't help that if you watched ESPN's coverage from noon before the ABC handover they replayed the exact same pre-packaged segments, skits (the Kenny Mayne one was amusing once), and the improving yet still annoying (IMHO) Bill Nack narratives.

They really dropped the ball (ABC) in not airing the 10th race, the Grade 1 Woodford Reserve Manhattan Handicap, which was on turf before the Belmont (11th race). No way people "who just tuned in" would get confused and turn off the sets. That was a great race vs. filling the time with largely forgetable bits and pieces.

The promised cool camera angles, mics on riders, overhead isolation shots, unique broadcasting bits that ESPN/ABC could've done simply wasn't there. They get a C- compared to NBC's much more high quality coverage of the Derby and Preakness.

For reasons of both the quality of product and marketing momentum I truly do hope that NBC gets a chance to buy back the Belmont Stakes airing rights.

tx3dayeventer

Jun. 8, 2009, 02:57 PM

Very cool! Does that mean you'll be placing a bet on Saturday? ;)

Not a bad bet to have made, huh? :D Yes, I did place a bet on Summer Bird, who if ya'll missed my post, is bred and owned by the same guy (Dr. J) that bred and raced my OTTB.

DLee

Jun. 8, 2009, 07:41 PM

caffeinated

Jun. 9, 2009, 07:16 AM

One thing that GREATLY confused a dear friend of mine, who only saw the last race, was the 'lines' to the finish. She though the frist one WAS the finish line, then there was another... then another...

Well they did have them marked with the distance to the finish. But it sort of reminded me of the glowing hockey puck, in terms of distraction...

Glimmerglass

Jun. 11, 2009, 03:28 PM

One irksome and perhaps now forgetable bit is Steve Haskin in his Triple Crown Wrap (June 10) (http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/51199/haskins-triple-crown-wrap-final-thoughts) is saying now that (despite it was widely already known - see below from a DRF article June 4th) Borel couldn't get any undercard mounts. It wasn't a hidden story ...

Posted June 4, 2009 ...

As cited before - Calvin is not a Belmont versed rider. Yes he's rode there but the show just how stark those numbers are (http://drf.com/news/article/104327.html):Calvin Borel has ridden 31,209 mounts in his 26-year career. Seven have come at Belmont Park, only four on the dirt. None has been at 1 1/2 miles.

Borel's fifth dirt mount at this track won't come until he climbs aboard Kentucky Derby Mine That Bird in Saturday's 141st Belmont Stakes. It is his only mount on the 13-race card.

"No one really called about the [undercard] stakes, and I really didn't want to ride any of the other undercard races," [Calvin's agent Jerry Hissam] said by phone from Kentucky Wednesday morning.