Hanoverian Inspection of KWPN mare

[SpiritN]

I have a KWPN ster prok mare. The farm where she lives is having a Hanoverian inspection. The owner suggested that I include her in the inspection because it would be nice to have her in the Hanoverian studbook for future breeding purposes.

I sent in her papers in advance and she was approved to be included in the inspection. I was wondering the following:

Let's assume she does well enough in the inspection because she is a really nice mare.

1) Which studbook could her foals be entered into if she is bred to a Hanoverian stud? Are they considered full Hanoverian?

2) Is there any benefit to having her do a mare performance test? Is she even allowed to do this or try for an elite status?

3) Are there any other differences for her versus other mares that I should know about?


Thanks in advance!

[Oakstable]

Having her approved by the AHS broadens your breeding options. You would get Hanoverian papers on her foals by an AHS or Verband stallion.

There are definately more "fresh" stallions in the AHS roster than the KWPN NA roster.

But there are nuances to choosing a breeding direction.

Both registeries are well respected and your mare should score well with the AHS.

I have two Dutch mares and have used approved outside stallions and have Register A papers on the resulting foals.

I like the quality standards of the KWPN and I have not presented my girls to any other registry. However, if they lived at a farm where there would be an inspection, I'd certainly consider it.

The Hanoverian and Oldenburg registries use many of the same bloodlines.

That's not so true with the KWPN up until recently.

I don't know if that is because Hitler invaded Holland during WWII or if there are other reasons regarding "type."

I know when I got interested in breeding many years ago, there was only one Hanoverian, Graf Gotthard, in the NAWPN roster at that time.

I don't have any mares in the AHS breeding program any more so someone else may be better informed.

I'm just jumping in since the OP has posed some interesting questions beyond the face of them.

Sally

[Home Again Farm]

1) Which studbook could her foals be entered into if she is bred to a Hanoverian stud? Are they considered full Hanoverian?

She would be eligible for the Main Studbook. Non-Hanoverian mares must score an overall 7, with a 7 for impulsion and elasticity to be approved, and if approved, go into the Main Studbook.

Her foals by fully approved Hanoverian stallions or by non-Hanoverian stallions that are fully approved and at least 50% Hanoverian blood would be registerable as Hanoverian. They would receive the Hanoverian brand, and fillies would be eligible for inspection and approval.

2) Is there any benefit to having her do a mare performance test? Is she even allowed to do this or try for an elite status?

The only advantage would be to know more about your mare's strengths and weaknesses. Non-Hanoverian mares are not able to become Elite. The registry encourages mare owners to performance test their mares, whether Hanoverian or not.

3) Are there any other differences for her versus other mares that I should know about?

The main difference and one to always keep in mind when breeding a non-Hanoverian mare that is approved for Hanoverian breeding is the 50% rule. If she has less than 50% Hanoverian blood, she must be either bred to an approved Hanoverian (branded and registered Hanoverian) or to a non-Hanoverian stallion that is fully approved and at least 50% Hanoverian blood in order for the foal to be registered Hanoverian.

Hope that helps.

[Oakstable]

Excellent points, Mary Lou.

The difference is the KWPN is a registry open to all recognized horses that fit their breeding goals.

Hanoverians are a breed.

[Majestic Gaits]

I don't think you can say Hanoverian is a breed vs any other Warmblood registry. They all have evolved taken in outside bloodlines and continue to do so, whether they were thoroughbred, Arab or another warmblood registry. Some are more restrictive than others in what they will take at the time. But, the Hanoverian take outside stallions from all registries and more recently a lot of Thoroughbred. That is what warmbloods is all about, an evolving sporthorse moving in the direction of the registry goals.

Kathy
www.majesticgaits.com

[copper bay farm]

She would be eligible for the Main Studbook. Non-Hanoverian mares must score an overall 7, with a 7 for impulsion and elasticity to be approved, and if approved, go into the Main Studbook.

Mary Lou pretty much covered everything. As a non-Hanoverian warmblood your mare would have to score an overall 7.0 or above to be accepted which would enter her into the Main Studbook. To clarify though, only Thoroughbreds, Arabians and Anglo Arabs are required to score a 7 or above on impulsion/elasticity. Non-Hanoverian warmbloods are not required to do so, they must only meet the overall 7.0 or above score. The 7.0 impulsion/elasticity caveat for was added after it was observed that the F1 generation of Thoroughbred mare/Hanoverian stallion crosses were often still lacking in this department, particularly if the dam had been approved with lower gait scores, but as is often the case with TBs and Arabs - very high scores for type, femininity, head, etc. So the added type is still very desirable, but not at the cost of loss of movement.

While a non-Hanoverian is not eligible for "Elite" status, if your KWPN mare has a jumping pedigree, her scores in the MPT might make her eligible for the Jumper Breeding Program - that would be an additional reason to performance test her. She would have to score at least an 8 on technique and ability through the chute and have her pedigree approved by the JBP committee.

[Oakstable]

KWPN is an open studbook.

Hanoverian is a more restricted studbook. I recall reading that the Hanoverians were given or seeking "breed" status.

It wasn't my personal pronouncement.

I got tripped up on this in choosing a stallion in the AHS roster for an imported Trakehner mare. I was planning to get an AHS C of P on the foal, if it was a colt. I got a colt but there wasn't sufficient Hanoverian blood for the requirements.

[Indy-lou]

Very timely thread for me. As the KWPN-NA keurings this year are (again) very far away from me, and I have two foals on the ground sired by Hanoverian approved stallions, I have been looking into having a mare inspected at an AHS site this year, which is happily much closer. . I especially appreciate the info on the 50% rule, because I had assumed that one foal wouldn't meet the criteria as her sire (Wamberto) is foal book KWPN (although approved Hano and sire Rousseau is approved Hano) , so I thought it wasn't possible, but now, if I am reading this correctly, it sounds like it is?
I have already contacted the AHS and had the pedigree of my Ulft mare approved for inspection, and will be taking her and her Bugatti filly to an AHS inspection. So, if my other mare's pedigree is approved by the office to be eligible for inspection AND she meets the overall 7 score at the inspection, then her Wamberto foal is eligible for AHS registration? The 50% rule doesn't apply if using an AHS approved mare and an AHS approved stallion no matter the percentage of blood?
Hope I didn't make my question confusing...

[Home Again Farm]

Thanks for the correction copper bay. I had a brain spasm. :winkgrin:

Indy Lou, if the Dutch mare is less that 50% Hano, the stallion must be either Hanoverian approved and registered, or a Non-Hanoverian with 50% or more Hanoverian blood who is also Hanoverian approved.

Neither Wamberto nor Rousseau are 50% Hanoverian.

[Indy-lou]

Thanks HomeAgain. So, back to what I originally thought about the Wamberto filly, since her KWPN dam has no Hano blood. Of course, I could still have the mare inspected for approval, just that the filly by Wamberto wouldn't be eligible for AHS.

[Oakstable]

Another option is to go GOV if there is an inspection closer than DG BAr.

Of course with the Dutch, you don't need to have the foals inspected.

[SpiritN]

Thank you so much for everyone's replies.

My mare is Ferro/Jazz/Juriaan....so I do not see that she meets the 50% Hanoverian rule herself. If I understand this correctly, if I were to breed her to an AHS stallion I would have to make sure the stallion is 100% Hanoverian then?

I was kind of hoping to breed her to Rotspon at some point in the future. I have heard him advertised as an Elite Hanoverian Stallion so I assume I am ok then? Any resulting foal would be able to be branded hanoverian (assuming her inspection all went well and she scored appropriately, etc.)?

I guess we will forget the MPT although it would be fun to put her through the jumping chute because she actually is a really great jumper! I think she likes it even better than dressage.

[Indy-lou]

The way I understand the 100% Hanoverian is that the stallion is foal book registered Hanoverian AND later approved, rather than approved as a stallion, but not initially eligible from birth to be registered Hanoverian. Do I have that correct?
Oakstable: I wasn't thinking of going to GOV with these horses because GOV isn't recognized by the KWPN-NA, whereas, with these foals from KWPN mares by AHS stallions, they could be either KWPN Register A or Erkend (if registered as AHS), thus the fillys, when bred to KWPN approved stallions, will have foals eligible for KWPN registry either way. I don't have that option with GOV.

[Oakstable]

The Oldenburg Verband is now an erkend studbook.

It used to be that Dutch mares could be bred to stallions who passed a 100-day test in Europe for Register A papers.

Reciprocity has changed things a bit.

The current list of erkend studbooks is on page 12 of the 2009 stallion directory and would also be on the web site.

[Oakstable]

I was thinking of using Edelweiss de Bounce with one of my Dutch mares and checked with the KWPN NA office and got an okay.

Maybe you are thinking of Oldenburg NA?

[copper bay farm]

Thank you so much for everyone's replies.

My mare is Ferro/Jazz/Juriaan....so I do not see that she meets the 50% Hanoverian rule herself. If I understand this correctly, if I were to breed her to an AHS stallion I would have to make sure the stallion is 100% Hanoverian then?

I was kind of hoping to breed her to Rotspon at some point in the future. I have heard him advertised as an Elite Hanoverian Stallion so I assume I am ok then? Any resulting foal would be able to be branded hanoverian (assuming her inspection all went well and she scored appropriately, etc.)?

I guess we will forget the MPT although it would be fun to put her through the jumping chute because she actually is a really great jumper! I think she likes it even better than dressage.

The 50% rule for non-Hanoverian mares is as follows:
An AHS-approved non-Hanoverian mare with less than 50% Hanoverian blood may produce an AHS-registered foal if she is bred to either an AHS- or HV-licensed stallion bearing the Hanoverian foal brand or an AHS- or HV-licensed licensed non-Hanoverian stallion whose pedigree contains at least 50% Hanoverian blood.

AHS-approved non-Hanoverian warmblood mares with at least 50% Hanoverian blood are equivalent to mares with the Hanoverian (H or H-US) foal brand.

So your mare would need to be bred to a stallion bearing the Hanoverian foal brand (like Rotspon) or an approved non-Hanoverian with at least 50% Hanoverian blood.

Wamberto, for example, has 25% Hanoverian blood (through damsire Voltaire), while his sire Rouseau has 0%. Pointmaker is registered Oldenburg but has 100% Hanoverian blood.

Confusing? Yes, but the AHS office is happy to answer any questions about a stallion's percentage of blood for you, and we print that on all the non-Hanoverian stallions in our annual stallion book.

Good luck with your inspection if you decide to present your mare!

[feather river]

Anytime I see this kind of a question, I always wonder "why". Why would you take a nice Dutch mare and enter it into some other studbook? Why wouldn't you breed her to a nice Dutch stallion and get KWPN papers?

In Europe, you will see Dutch crosses in with the Belgian Warmblood Society, and a few crossing into the jumping Verband of the Oldenburgs. But extremely few Dutch going into the Hanoverian breeding program. As for the reverse, the only real exception was the use by the Dutch of Voltaire, a Hanoverian stallion.

[Indy-lou]

Sally Ann: Thanks for that info about GOV! I didn't catch that one, though I read the Directory, I obviously missed it. I knew that Oldenburg stallions approved in Europe were Erkend, so I have always asked the stallion owners about approval status, but now it seems N.A. approved stallions with GOV are considered Erkend as well. Well, that certainly increases options.
Feather River: The short answer to your question is "more options". By having Erkend stallions available to the Dutch mare base here in North America, options for fresh semen are greatly increased. I am not changing the studbook or brand my mares carry, or my goals for them, merely getting additional approvals, just as stallions carry multiple registry approvals. I would prefer to stay within the KWPN if I could meet all my breeding goals for each mare every single year within that group, but sometimes frozen doesn't work out, etc, etc. With every mare and every breeding year there are multiple factors that enter the equation. There is a considerable difference in fresh semen availability for European breeders compared to what North American breeders can choose from. As I mentioned previously, one of the decisions I have to make every year depends entirely on WHERE the KWPN keurings will be held, and extremely long hauling distances may influence my decisions. Breeders in the Netherlands do not have to contend with such great distances in hauling to a Keuring.

[DownYonder]

I just wanted to add that any stallions approved by Oldenburg (GOV) in North America are also considered fully approved by Oldenburg in Germany - the full reciprocity thing that we talk about on this forum from time to time. There are some people who feel that reciprocity is not important, but this is one of the very good reasons WHY it is important.

Also, although it is always a good idea to ask stallion owners about approval status, you should also always check with the registry office to confirm that approval. We continually run into situations with STALLION OWNERS who do not know the difference between Oldenburg (GOV) and ISR/ONA, and *think* their stallion is approved with Oldenburg when it is in reality approved by ISR/ONA. There is even a Hanoverian stallion on the AHS roster whose website proclaims that he is approved by Oldenburg (GOV), when he has never been presented to Oldenburg (GOV). Best bet is to confirm a stallion's approval status - and current activation status - by checking the roster or talking to the office.

[Oakstable]

Before this thread derails, I'd like to bring it back to the dilemma facing MOs who have Dutch horses... proudly.

Indy-lou summarized the situation perfectly.

Years ago, I broke down the NAWPN roster by birth year of available stallions. This was probably the era when Volkmar, Wanroij and Taxateur were still standing and Idocus was a youngster. There were quite a few fresh stallions available, but they were older vintages, and not too many younger ones available.

The trend continues.

For the owner of a Dutch mare who wants to use fresh, there is now Register A as an option. Fortunately, in recent years, some really top Dutch stallions have been imported.

There just aren't many domestically bred Dutch stallions approved despite quality mares having been imported and bred here now for years. And MOs using the very best stallions available. I've never understand how the odds are so stacked against a colt who is born in NA. Or so it seems.

I don't think owners of Dutch mares are really looking to realign with another registry.

KWPN is the top studbook for dressage the last time I looked. And number four for jumpers as of 3/31/09. The studbook is right up there reliably and not dependant on a fluke placing of one performer to bring up the numbers.

When e-warmbloods existed, there'd be occasionally some dialogue in the Dutch forum. And Scot Tolman and a few others started the Dutch Breeders of NA forum, which was a lot of fun. Then it morphed into WBNA and eventually was retired.

I don't have a feel for how many Dutch breeders participate in the COTH sporthorse forum, but I get the impression there aren't many.

But maybe there are lurkers who don't feel comfortable jumping into a thread.

I've opened threads that I thought would be fuel for some interesting discussion and silence.

[feather river]

Feather River: The short answer to your question is "more options". By having Erkend stallions available to the Dutch mare base here in North America, options for fresh semen are greatly increased. I am not changing the studbook or brand my mares carry, or my goals for them, merely getting additional approvals, just as stallions carry multiple registry approvals. I would prefer to stay within the KWPN if I could meet all my breeding goals for each mare every single year within that group, but sometimes frozen doesn't work out, etc, etc. With every mare and every breeding year there are multiple factors that enter the equation. There is a considerable difference in fresh semen availability for European breeders compared to what North American breeders can choose from. As I mentioned previously, one of the decisions I have to make every year depends entirely on WHERE the KWPN keurings will be held, and extremely long hauling distances may influence my decisions. Breeders in the Netherlands do not have to contend with such great distances in hauling to a Keuring.

I am already aware of everything you said. I have been breeding horses for over 30 years and started with a Dutch stallion. I just think that a brand has value, and that Dutch mares should stay Dutch. It is not so easy when you use a Dutch mare to a GOV stallion and have a nice filly which then gets a GOV paper. Where then does that filly go if and when you want to use her for breeding. Better that she had a KWPN paper in my view. And the bloodlines don't always cross over so well either. KWPN has a value here in the States. I know the KWPN won't approve any NA bred colts--or almost never. I know they are less easy to deal with. I know their breeder base is smaller, and their North American office closed up years ago.

But my opinion of the GOV stallion pool is that it is too open--they have taken in too many outside stallions to try and compete against the ISR and RPSI in my view.

And I am a GOV breeder, so I feel I have a right to express an opinion on them since they take my money every year.

[Oakstable]

The Dutch office is in Oregon and has been there as long as I have been a member (coming up on 20 years).

[Oakstable]

I think the Dutch brand has a value. Betcha if you scratch the list of dressage competitors in the US, you will find a strong percentage of Dutch horses. I always enjoy looking at the USDF year-end award listings.

I bred my Dutch mare, Mariah, to Routinier. My gelding has Dutch papers. (I didn't realize Routinier has the landmark stallion Amor in his pedigree until just a few weeks ago.)

The KWPN is extremely discriminating on the stallions that are allowed to breed.

Given the percentages of stallions that make it through the approvals in HOlland, I guess it is not that surprising that so few NA-bred stallions ever make it.

Frohwind won the 100-day test in NA way back when and he wasn't accepted. He's now a 5-star stallion with ONA.

[feather river]

The Dutch office is in Oregon and has been there as long as I have been a member (coming up on 20 years).

You are correct and I should know that as I live in Oregon. But its active presence did alter a few years ago.

The problem I find is that they are like the GOV--a paper shuffle center for the Home Land. Control is by the mother country and they offer their NA breeders little in the way of support, when compared to the Am Han society for example. The Am Han is a legitimate separate society that serves its member base. The strategy of the German Han's has been different as they have set up their "daughter" societies around the world, versus the KWPN and the GOV who mainly view the North American market as a venue for market sales from the parent country.

[Oakstable]

The KWPN NA office is staffed. Five names appear under STAFF on the letterhead stationary. Silvia Monas has been there for years and speaks Dutch and is very helpful.

At the '09 meeting in Del Mar, the marketing person from Holland showed a new film with the message "Come to Holland" and that met with some bristling.

There is talk of holding the KWPN NA meeting in Holland next year, timed to the stallion show.

I've been to the stallion show once and it is quite an eye opener.

But holding the annual meeting in Holland will add to the impression that we in NA are the farm team of breeders.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Oakstable]

I agree with FR's assessment of how the Hanoverian Verband is working with daughter organizations. It is a quality organization with input from the membership through active committees.

In the early days of the NAWPN, the program here operated by a handful of people with Elizabeth Searle and J. Aston Moore, among the leaders. Now they are more like the AHS with a board of directors and an effort to include the members in decisions.

GOV has a rep in Florida who works out of her condo. I'm amazed at the schedule she maintains, going to inspections all over NA and back and forth to Germany.

I asked Holly Simensen if the GOV inspection effort was really a marketing effort to sell German-bred Oldenburgs to Americans. She said absolutely not, there really aren't that many horses sold to the USA.

[Oakstable]

Just for grins, I paged through my KWPn NA roster to look at the influence of Hanoverian bloodlines. There is very little presence.

There's a lot of Holsteiner and Trakehner and TB and Westfalen mixed in with the Dutch bloodlines.

Anyone know why?

[bloomingtonfarm]

KWPN is the top studbook for dressage the last time I looked. And number four for jumpers as of 3/31/09.

And they were First for jumpers from 2004 to 2008... and maybe in 2003 but I am not sure.

[DownYonder]

So now this thread has turned into a "this registry is better than that registry" discussion, because some registries have offices and a large staff, while others do not?

Also - FWIW - there are some who agree that Oldenburg has too many marginal stallions on its roster. OTOH, they have also turned down some stallions that are on the KWPN and AHS rosters. Does that make Oldenburg more or less selective than those registries? :lol:

[Home Again Farm]

So now this thread has turned into a "this registry is better than that registry" discussion, because some registries have offices and a large staff, while others do not?

Also - FWIW - there are some who agree that Oldenburg has too many marginal stallions on its roster. OTOH, they have also turned down some stallions that are on the KWPN and AHS rosters. Does that make Oldenburg more or less selective than those registries? :lol:

It means that they are looking for a slightly different breeding type than Hanoverian or KWPN — not necessarily a more selective one. I hope we can answer the OPs initial questions without arguing about what registry is best. IMO life is too short for that sort of thing.

[Oakstable]

I think the discussion is interesting. It's not a matter of best for everyone.

I own Dutch, Trakehner, Oldenburg and Hanoverian horses.

I'm interested in the sporthorse industry in general, and the NA-based industry, in particular.

[Oakstable]

It means that they are looking for a slightly different breeding type than Hanoverian or KWPN — not necessarily a more selective one. I hope we can answer the OPs initial questions without arguing about what registry is best. IMO life is too short for that sort of thing.

I think you are right about a different "type" in AHS & GOV and KWPN horses.

Anyone dare to risk commenting?

I'm sincerely interested in opinions from breeders who have been around for a while.

I don't think it is necessary to run interference on who can express an opinion. Or what can be said.

Most of us who have spent endless hours on our equine passion would be wealthy if we were paid a nickle per hour for the investment of time and energy.

The OP had some really good questions. I think there were some really good answers and insights shared.

[feather river]

The KWPN NA office is staffed. Five names appear under STAFF on the letterhead stationary. Silvia Monas has been there for years and speaks Dutch and is very helpful.

At the '09 meeting in Del Mar, the marketing person from Holland showed a new film with the message "Come to Holland" and that met with some bristling.

There is talk of holding the KWPN NA meeting in Holland next year, timed to the stallion show.

I've been to the stallion show once and it is quite an eye opener.

But holding the annual meeting in Holland will add to the impression that we in NA are the farm team of breeders.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

Exactly my point. The KWPN/NA is just a marketing arm for the Dutch sales effort---no different than the GOV.

And there is nothing "wrong" with this if you are just realistice about what to expect out of "your registry". I am also an AmHan member, as well as a GOV and an ISR member. I know these 3 pretty well.

I presented my Dutch stallion many years ago to the 'old' KWPN/NA. He had been approved as a 2 1/2 yr old in Holland, but was then bought by a Bavarian stallion raiser and completed his 100 day test in Germany. He had a German Bavarian license. The Dutch commission turned him down in LA. I couldn't believe it. He had already been approved in Holland. But that was many years ago, and I don't expect it has really changed. They want you to come to Holland and buy your stallions there. Once sold from there, then they have no further interest in you unless you are coming back to buy another horse. The GOV is the same. Look at the site, and you will see it touts the auctions and inspections happening in Germany. Fortunately my Dutch stallion had already been approved for an Oldenburg license as he was to go there to stand for breeding, but then I bought him. I used him for both ISR and GOV breedings in the past, and he is just happily retired now wandering around his pasture and munching grass...

[feather river]

I think you are right about a different "type."

Anyone dare to risk commenting?

This is like car companies. Each registry has its own vision of its own type. And it needs to pick its stallion pool to cover many more different types of mares--but those stallions need to move the breed in its own direction.

I like it that way personally. Gives people choices.

[feather river]

So now this thread has turned into a "this registry is better than that registry" discussion, because some registries have offices and a large staff, while others do not?

Also - FWIW - there are some who agree that Oldenburg has too many marginal stallions on its roster. OTOH, they have also turned down some stallions that are on the KWPN and AHS rosters. Does that make Oldenburg more or less selective than those registries? :lol:

I don't see where anyone said this registry is better than that registry. they are different and serve their perceived members needs differently. Some are truly based on serving their North American clientele, while others have their primary allegiance to the mother country. That is Fact. Not Better. Just Fact. Choose the one for you.

And no it does not make the GOV more or less selective. Each picks its own stallion pool based on its mare base and its breeding direction goals. Not a problem with that. No reason every registry needs to approve every other registry's stallions.:confused:

[Indy-lou]

I hope this thread doesn't get armed and dangerous , but I am certainly glad for the discussion here as I learned a couple of really important facts as a result. Sometimes the threads go sour, but overall I just ignore the sniping, as I think most people do. Oakstable summed it up for me as well: I am not looking to realign with another registry, just increase my options. I know others have the same issues to contend with. I have been very pleased with the KWPN-NA and it's membership. The annual meeting last March in DelMar was outstanding and well-attended. It is a viable group with a lot to offer, and the stallion base continues to grow with several outstanding individuals available to us. Overall, I am quite satisfied, but again,
options = good
Thanks to everyone who educated me here!

[Oakstable]

Thanks, Darla.

I don't always agree with everything Feather River says, or how he says it, but I really like to have his input in these threads because he's been around a long time with a ringside seat to the industry.

Same with Andras.

Things would be really dull if everyone tip toed around, afraid to give a personal opinion.

I've been around this block for 20 years, and almost all of it with the ATA and KWPN. I also have GOV and AHS horses. Heck, I'd join all of them if I could afford it as I like learning about bloodlines.

[Oakstable]

I need to correct a statement I made. I said I thot the KWPN has fewer stallions as the years go by.

I picked up the program from the annual meeting and they have a page of statistics.

There were 30 approved and licensed stallions in 1991 and 34 in 2009 plus four harness stallions.

The number of A/L stallions peeked in 2001 with 49.

[SpiritN]

Anytime I see this kind of a question, I always wonder "why". Why would you take a nice Dutch mare and enter it into some other studbook? Why wouldn't you breed her to a nice Dutch stallion and get KWPN papers?

In Europe, you will see Dutch crosses in with the Belgian Warmblood Society, and a few crossing into the jumping Verband of the Oldenburgs. But extremely few Dutch going into the Hanoverian breeding program. As for the reverse, the only real exception was the use by the Dutch of Voltaire, a Hanoverian stallion.

OK, in my case I will answer this question......

The main reason I am doing this is because the barn where she will be located is having a Hanoverian inspection. So, it is very easy to have her inspected and therefore, open up my breeding choices/registration options for her foals. A secondary reason is that her breeding (Ferro/Jazz) to me is somewhat difficult to find the perfect match for her. I think there are already a lot of KWPN stallions with Ferro or Jazz and so I have to avoid them. Then when I look at what I want to improve on her - I also find an even more limited breeding pool. I fully intend (if/when I choose to breed her) to go the KWPN route some day too, but I wanted to also take advantage of the Hanoverian inspection since it was right in front of me.

[Oakstable]

Makes sense to me.

You can ask what bloodlines would compliment her.

[Indy-lou]

SpiritN: I'll be interested to hear about your adventure with the AHS inspection, and if all goes as currently planned, I'll share my experience with same. Good luck!

[DownYonder]

GOV has a rep in Florida who works out of her condo.

I meant to comment on this. Holly works out of her house - not a condo. Also, they were looking at office space over the winter, but have apparently decided to not go that route right now with the economy on such shaky ground.

[DownYonder]

The GOV is the same. Look at the site, and you will see it touts the auctions and inspections happening in Germany.

Yes, because the person who does the website resides in Germany and is very plugged in to happenings there, and because people in N.A. have in the past asked that German dates and news be posted on the site. It helps reinforce the idea that the North American arm - as in OHBS - is actually a PART of the Verband, and not a separate, disconnected registry.

[DownYonder]

OK, in my case I will answer this question......

The main reason I am doing this is because the barn where she will be located is having a Hanoverian inspection. So, it is very easy to have her inspected and therefore, open up my breeding choices/registration options for her foals. A secondary reason is that her breeding (Ferro/Jazz) to me is somewhat difficult to find the perfect match for her. I think there are already a lot of KWPN stallions with Ferro or Jazz and so I have to avoid them. Then when I look at what I want to improve on her - I also find an even more limited breeding pool. I fully intend (if/when I choose to breed her) to go the KWPN route some day too, but I wanted to also take advantage of the Hanoverian inspection since it was right in front of me.

I think this is a good plan as it will definitely open up your breeding choices. Good luck, and have fun!