TB lines with good bone

[mary beth]

Hello!

I am starting the trek to find a TB or TB cross for foxhunting. Can you suggest some good lines that would have good bone, and average ht(15' 2-16) Good feet would really be nice too. I am most interested in an agile, intelligent type..so I can do alot of different things with him.

Thanks very much!!!

Mary

[horse-loverz]

My horse is by Gone West.. lotta bone there 17.1 hands and a GREAT mind. Very willing jumps with springs in his feet and takes good care of me and my daughter.

I have a friend who has a 3 yo with Gone West 1 generation back, same bone, same mind, if I could afford another horse I would want him too. :D

[alliekat]

I have an Alydar Granddaughter that I think has nice bone for a Tb. She also just had a filly by a Han. stallion, and I love the amount of bone I got between the two.

http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=208508063/PictureID=4707732759/a=98790260_98790260
http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=208508063/PictureID=4707740217/a=98790260_98790260
And when I say she will jump anything ...I mean it.
http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=208508063/PictureID=4707742024/a=98790260_98790260
Then the next day she will pack a newbie around a crossrail course!!!

Her filly at 36 hours old
http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=538976012/PictureID=16502253012/a=98790260_98790260

ETA she is 15.3

[Green Acres]

I have an Alydar Granddaughter that I think has nice bone for a Tb. She also just had a filly by a Han. stallion, and I love the amount of bone I got between the two.

http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=208508063/PictureID=4707732759/a=98790260_98790260
http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=208508063/PictureID=4707740217/a=98790260_98790260
And when I say she will jump anything ...I mean it.
http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=208508063/PictureID=4707742024/a=98790260_98790260
Then the next day she will pack a newbie around a crossrail course!!!

Her filly at 36 hours old
http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID=538976012/PictureID=16502253012/a=98790260_98790260

ETA she is 15.3

I'm partial to Alydar as well since I have an Alydar grandson. :yes: Great mind, willing to please and I like his looks but as I said I'm partial. :lol:

http://tinypic.com/r/oqm0qe/5
http://tinypic.com/r/6i7mlg/5

[turningpointequine]

My two TB's have very nice bone. Many people don't believe me when I tell them they are TB's.

Pic of my 15.3 hand, 11 year old, stallion
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6091/dscn3560va2.jpg
and his pedigree
http://www.pedigreequery.com/elbader

Pic of my 15.2 hand, 16 yar old, mare
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5554/dscn4085.jpg
and her pedigree
http://www.pedigreequery.com/palisade+lady

[EAY]

My mare has Grey Dawn on top and Hoist the Flag on bottom, both lines which I believe are know for good bone. She has nice bone and good feet and a great mind, though she's quite a big girl at 17+h.

[younghunter]

I have a horse by Maria's Mon. Nice bone, often mistaken for a quarter horse, 16 hh, decent feet.

http://www.pinoakstud.com/mariasmon/conformation.cfm

[Jaegermonster]

You might want to post this on the hunting forum.
I agree with what the others have said. I have a mare that is Buckpasser granddaughter who I hunted for years, and then bred her to Reputed Testamony. Both mares are very solid, and everyone thinks they are WBs.
I have known several Darn that Alarm babies that were hunting that were very nice horses. Unfortunately DTA died a few years ago but there are still some out there.
I would say look for TB's that bred on the more old fashioned lines, the distance pedigrees as opposed to many of the more sprinter types that seem to show up today.
And look for the brain too :)

[KBEquine]

While he's considered primarily a show hunter sire, Canadian Kid has size, bone, great feet & a good mind. You may be able to find one of Kid's kids.

ETA: Jump. They also have jump!

[Coppers mom]

Harry The Hat. I've had 4 of his babies (seen a lot more at the track), all were between 16.2 and 17 hands. Every single one of them looks like a warmblood, with fantastic hunter movement. They can jump the moon too, which is always fun. They can be a little on the hot side, but are in now way stupid about things. Avoid a cross with Halo anywhere in the background though, then you just get a psycho.

[chawley]

I have a horse by Maria's Mon. Nice bone, often mistaken for a quarter horse, 16 hh, decent feet.

http://www.pinoakstud.com/mariasmon/conformation.cfm

Is your Maria's Mon quiet? Easy to work with?

I would also agree w/ above posters about Alydar and Grey Dawn horses. We've had several and they were all very nice, well-built hunters that stayed sound, sound, sound. I'd like to add the Bold Ruler line as well.

[Anyplace Farm]

Here, I'll respond on someone else's behalf - I bumped into her blog this weekend. She sees/gets a lot of horses from CANTER and said this in her blog. (http://dixierumble.wordpress.com/)

"Ha, got a new horse in this weekend from CANTER named View my rear. Love it! He is a big 16.3 maybe bigger chestnut who is going to be very nice. I have decided I love horses with Peaks and Valley bloodlines they are big boned, big bodied and have big heads "

[Jleegriffith]

Anyplace farm- yep, that was me. Coming from the eventer/foxhunt side of things these horses are built to last. I own a horse named The Boppus who has lovely big feet, nice angles, big bone and a head that stands out:lol: They seem to be brave and bold to the fences but are extremely rideable. Fairweather has also had some of the Peaks and Valley horses and says they are all the same. I suppose you have to love a big head but I think I do:cool: They also tend to have a big more knee/hock action so not going into the hunter ring but they can jump really well!
Boppus- http://http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2290766370058815717coySoC

View My Rear is also got the same huge bone and similar build. I haven't been on him yet but my guess is he will end up being very similar.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11833417@N05/3546137201/in/set-72157618490554858/

I haven't had a Two Punch horse before but I love the bone this guy has and he raced until he was 12 yrs and stayed sound.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11833417@N05/3546945066/in/set-72157618490554858/

[QHEventr]

Eventer here.....My Advanced horse, Northlight (an OTTB) is by Vanlandingham (by Cox's Ridge), and out of an Our Native mare. We have 3 Vanlandingham broodmares here, and all are BIG, tons of bone, and athletic. I have found that this is coming through largly from the Cox's Ridge line.

I also like to see Turn To, swaps and In Reality for solid bone.

Here is Diamond's pedigree (my advanced horse)

http://www.pedigreequery.com/diamondham

[MintHillFarm]

I have an Appalachee gelding, 17.3 hh - you would never know he is a TB by his size and substance. His is out of a Forli mare...

[Anyplace Farm]

Anyplace farm- yep, that was me. Coming from the eventer/foxhunt side of things these horses are built to last. I own a horse named The Boppus who has lovely big feet, nice angles, big bone and a head that stands out:lol: They seem to be brave and bold to the fences but are extremely rideable. Fairweather has also had some of the Peaks and Valley horses and says they are all the same. I suppose you have to love a big head but I think I do:cool: They also tend to have a big more knee/hock action so not going into the hunter ring but they can jump really well!
Boppus- http://http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2290766370058815717coySoC

View My Rear is also got the same huge bone and similar build. I haven't been on him yet but my guess is he will end up being very similar.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11833417@N05/3546137201/in/set-72157618490554858/

I haven't had a Two Punch horse before but I love the bone this guy has and he raced until he was 12 yrs and stayed sound.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11833417@N05/3546945066/in/set-72157618490554858/

Well, it was interesting to know.

Not to hi-jack the thread but I love your blog, by the way!

[Hauwse]

If you are looking for a common TB line, lets say one you could get off the track, I would look for Danzig bloodlines. He is one of the Northern Dancer sires that maintained his build while adding size, and he passed it along very well. Most Danzig's, even a few generations out posses his build.

They are fairly easy to find, as Danzig sired a ton of horses, and the bloodline is important to race breeders still.

I have a couple myself and they both are built more like WB's, over 17HH, very athletic, typey and smart.

http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-168613

[Jleegriffith]

Thanks! I was never interested in bloodlines until all the CANTER horses started to come through and then my mind started to turn. What bloodlines lead to good hunters, eventers, movement, brain, soundness and on and on. Now I can't stop. I go to the track for the track visits and have to come home and look up all their names just to compare. Sickness I tell ya!

COTH search function is also great if you have a particular bloodline in mind. I took pictures of a big mare by Waquoit who was 17.1 h at 3 yr old. Got me thinking does Waquoit throw big horse? COTH research confirmed he does and they make good event horses. A bit big for my liking but good info to have.

[SEPowell]

At the moment, and probably for the next 10-20 years I'm hunting a mare who is by Wheaton (Alydar x Terlingua) and out of a mare called Telegram who has Northern Dancer, Damascus in her. She's a very talented jumper, has good bone, etc. I also have a mare by Virginia Rapids (Riverman) and out of a Lyphard's Wish mare. She's also very athletic but a little hot and a little tough to ride... but she'd jump off a cliff for me (yikes). And the most amazing horse I've ever ridden is by Compliance (Northern Dancer out of a Buckpasser mare) and out of Restless Native mare. He's unbelievably intelligent with his feet, an unbelievable jumper and figured out hunting in about 3 hunts after a successful racing career. So there are a bunch of bloodlines for you, many of which have already been mentioned!

Pleasant Colony is another nice one for hunting and jumping. And Two Punch is a definite. Good Night Shirt is out of a Two Punch mare to give you an idea of a horse with that breeding who can run and jump.

With all of this said, I really think you need to look at the individual and not worry too much about bloodlines. There are many many nice horses and bloodlines out there waiting to be discovered for hunting. In my opinion most tbs are so versatile and have such good work ethics they'll do whatever job you ask them to do and do it well. The last horse I got for myself as a keeper was the result of deciding what kind of conformation I wanted (good shoulder, good withers, good bone, decent feet and good proportions) and waiting until I found one who also gave me the magic feeling, whatever that means. (That was the Wheaton mare.)
Have fun.

[yellowbritches]

We have a lovely gelding in our barn that is from the Wild Again lines (grandsire on top, I think). He is a big, substantial guy, with big substantial feet, and a sweet, kind, willing disposition. He's about 16.2 or 3. I have been told by those who know more than I do that he is very typical of that breeding.

My guy is a little bit lighter in frame, but far from light boned (he's just a smaller horse in general, he's just shy of 16.1). He is by Lear Fan and out of a Alleged mare. He is the coolest, most athletic horse I have ever sat on and is smart as a whip and super sweet and willing. I would have another one bred like that in a heartbeat.

[FLIPPED HER HALO]

My mare has Grey Dawn on top and Hoist the Flag on bottom, both lines which I believe are know for good bone. She has nice bone and good feet and a great mind, though she's quite a big girl at 17+h.

I’ve got a mare down the Grey Dawn line too. She’s a tank and people have a hard time believing she’s a TB. She’s 16.2 with huge bone and muscles. Her family line are turf runners.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i131/TBJMPR2/Hailey/IMG_7396_1.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i131/TBJMPR2/Hailey/IMG_7386_1.jpg

[alliekat]

Beautiful mare FLIPPED HER HALO

[FLIPPED HER HALO]

Beautiful mare FLIPPED HER HALO

Thanks. That's Flipped Her Halo. :lol: She's not too happy about going back to work - liked being a mom.

[goodmorning]

My Seattle Slew/Diplomat Way/Turn To/ Double Jay mare is a tank and gorgeous.

My Wild Again/Buckpasser (x2) /Spy Song/Clarion guy is also a big boy - though not the easiest horse in the barn ;)

[sisu27]

Best jumping thbd I have ever sat on was heavy on the Northern Dancer, fairly solid mare but her mind wasn't for everyone. She was cat-like but a tough ride.

My Slew is a tank and rarely gets pegged as a thbd. He will make a fine hunt horse and has some dressage talent but not the brain for it so will do LL jumpers, event and hunt. Not very scopey but very game and brave...which I value more nowadays...

Have seen a few lately that I liked a lot... Hoist The Flag in common.

[EAY]

I’ve got a mare down the Grey Dawn line too. She’s a tank and people have a hard time believing she’s a TB. She’s 16.2 with huge bone and muscles. Her family line are turf runners.


Our mares share some lines, with Grey Dawn on the sire's side and Halo through their dams:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/mlady+buck

She's got the bone and we're working on the muscles.

[mary beth]

that is great advice...and probably what I'll do(and enjoy it!) believe it or not, I have ridden my arabs in hunts for the past several years..and they have done well. Mine is retiring now, and I want to try a TB..maybe a smaller one..and see if I pleasantly surprised. altho arabs are arabs..they are extremely handy and hardy..and intelligent..I hope I can hold on to those traits in a TB..that is why I'm going in this direction instead of the draft/tb cross that I see a lot of. Thanks for the good comments!

[anchorsaway]

Trainer has a gorgeous TB mare that is her regular hunting partner. She had 17 starts and is probably the most reliable horse at the farm! :) She's by Key To Candy(Key To Content x Candy Eclair) and out of Need Some Relief(Old Broadway x Dynastic Gal).

[see u at x]

My mare is out of Atticus: http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/stallion-directory/stallion.aspx?stallion_no=1351367

She's 16h, nice mover, loves to jump, good bone, good feet, and is pretty solid. Personality-wise, she's kind of an "old soul" type and is really sweet and kind, though once in a while, the diva side will come out. But she doesn't have a mean bone in her body and she'll work her heart out for you if you ask her politely. :)

[beanie&boomer]

Interesting comments on all of the pedigrees. Salutely is probably my all-time favorite, though not always so easy to find anymore except for Salute the Truth.

I stand a TB stallion named Mt. Vidmore who like Peaks and Valleys, shares the bloodline of Mt. Livermore (Blushing Groom, Spy Song, Crimson Satan) and then combines them with Pleasant Colony, Princequillo and Nijinsky on the dam side. He has great bone and substance without any coarseness. Also an awesome temperament. I am actually tempted to foxhunt him, even though he's not really been ridden since he was on the track except for one day when I just climbed up. His first foals are on the ground this year and are everything I hoped they would be. Now they just have to grow up FAST!

Personally I avoid the Mr. Prospector line due to soundness and crookedness issues. Unbridled horses are generally huge and impressive, but I wouldn't take a chance with one. Have been known to cave into a Fappiano line horse on occasion.

I take a fair number of OTTBs and remake them as foxhunters. I think especially when you are choosing a gelding, you need to go by the individual in front of you. Brain is most important, then feet and soundness. Everything else follows from that in my book.

[SEPowell]

Interesting comments on all of the pedigrees. Salutely is probably my all-time favorite, though not always so easy to find anymore except for Salute the Truth.

I stand a TB stallion named Mt. Vidmore who like Peaks and Valleys, shares the bloodline of Mt. Livermore (Blushing Groom, Spy Song, Crimson Satan) and then combines them with Pleasant Colony, Princequillo and Nijinsky on the dam side. He has great bone and substance without any coarseness. Also an awesome temperament. I am actually tempted to foxhunt him, even though he's not really been ridden since he was on the track except for one day when I just climbed up. His first foals are on the ground this year and are everything I hoped they would be. Now they just have to grow up FAST!

Personally I avoid the Mr. Prospector line due to soundness and crookedness issues. Unbridled horses are generally huge and impressive, but I wouldn't take a chance with one. Have been known to cave into a Fappiano line horse on occasion.

I take a fair number of OTTBs and remake them as foxhunters. I think especially when you are choosing a gelding, you need to go by the individual in front of you. Brain is most important, then feet and soundness. Everything else follows from that in my book.

I can see why you cave to Fappiano lines, they can jump.

Your guy is very handsome and I love his breeding. Do you have a website or conformation pics anyplace online?

[Jleegriffith]

Interesting comments on all of the pedigrees. Salutely is probably my all-time favorite, though not always so easy to find anymore except for Salute the Truth.

One of the horses I post pictures of (http://www.pedigreequery.com/the+boppus)is out of mare named Robin's Nickel by Salutely. He has Peaks and Valley as a sire. I heard the Salutely horses are good movers and jumpers but I don't know many of them. He took to foxhunting like he had been doing it forever. He is brave, bold, powerful and a heck of a jumper.

I would love to see pics of your guy.

[TrotTrotPumpkn]

Where I used to board the BO had a stakes winner/stallion named Go For it Matt and he was THICK in the bone. He was a TB, but she bred him for sport babies. His offspring were often mistaken for warmbloods (some depends on the mare of course). He passed a couple years ago, but you can see his pedigree here:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/go+for+it+matt

All the babies were good movers, but some are fabulous over fences and others more dressage--depended a bit on the mom.

[mary beth]

hello! I kept your post..and now am going to look at 4 yo ottb with Danzig and buckpasser in pedigree..what do you think? would you like to see horse and pedigree?

thanks for you good input for good bone in a TB!

Mary

[HollBear]

I have a young Scrimshaw gelding that has hug bone/head...standing at 17h. He's such a nice mellow guy in the ring and cross-country. He's going to make a nice hunter and yet my dressage friend loves him too!

[MCarverS]

My horse is by Gone West.. lotta bone there 17.1 hands and a GREAT mind. Very willing jumps with springs in his feet and takes good care of me and my daughter.

I have a friend who has a 3 yo with Gone West 1 generation back, same bone, same mind, if I could afford another horse I would want him too. :D

I second Gone West, we had a great TB hunter gelding out of a Gone West dam with a golden temperament by him. He can be viewed under: http://sakurahillfarm.com/horses.php?HOID=58

But also check out his sire: Touch Gold, he was known as a big sport horse producer.

Too bad he was a gelding, he had been worth his weight in gold as a member of our broodmare band to produce hunters.

[horsetales]

Someone else mentioned Gone West Here is my Gone West/Key to the Mint grandaughter that was born here http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y276/horsetales/SierraandTory.jpg

Of course if you want the best of both worlds, an Irish Draught Sport horse can give you ample bone with the forward, sensitivity of the TB :)

[selah]

Seattle Slew was known for his "telephone pole" big legs....which would be Bold Ruler lines (as one poster already mentioned)...which would also include Harry The Hat (which one poster mentioned). I have an Evansville Slew daughter who is 16.1 and built light and leggy...but she throws tall with huge bone (Evansville Slew is 17H). Slew-line horses really catch my eye...before I even look at their pedigrees.

I have a Dixie Brass/Relaunch mare (Relaunch has already been mentioned here) who is broad-hipped, big leg-at-each-corner, classic elegant old hunter look, which she throws. In looking at the CANTER sites (yup, addictive!) I often see horses which remind me of her, and will prove out to be bred on the same formula when I check out their pedigrees.

[danceronice]

I confess to also avoiding the Mr Prospectors if I can (though mine is bred to him via Crafty Prospector, but with no inbreeding, plus that brings in Crafty Admiral-War Admiral-Man o' War fairly close up, which I have found does still put some brains in. Even as far back as it was, my last horse, an '85 model with inbreeding to Fair Play via Man o' War and his full sibling My Play, LOOKED like the War Admiral horses and had their 'go'.) I also will simply NOT look at a horse with multiple crosses to Raise A Native, and I'm leery about Storm Cats because of the knees and the attitude.

I would really look at race records and temperment more than lines, especially for a FIELD hunter--the horse I just bought for the purpose is not only sound over five years of racing, but had most of his success on turf (all four of his wins, and most of his money finishes)--and go looking for the horses who are bred to run on grass. And ask about attitude! Lucky came highly recommended by everyone who had contact with him as mannerly and a gentleman. Especially if you get a chance with a track TB, ask what the exercise riders think of him. A big selling point for me was that the people who worked Lucky liked to ride him.

[EAY]

[QUOTE=selah;4615771]Seattle Slew was known for his "telephone pole" big legs....QUOTE]

So maybe that's where my big girl gets her legs. Her grandsire was Seattle Slew. But as I said earlier she's also got Buckpasser, Gray Dawn, and Hoist the Flag, so I guess she was bred to be big. She's now 17.1+ and wears a size three shoe.

[mary beth]

wow..your bay mare by Gray dawn line is DROP DEAD GORGEOUS...!!!

would love to run into a relative..!!!!


MB

[2boys]

I saw some mention that they avoid the Mr. P. line due to soundness issues. I don't know ANYTHING about tbs, but the Mr. P. boy I have has very solid bone, and *knock wood* has been quite sound. His dad is Mojave Moon, who I think is stunning, who also looks quite solid. Not trying to sound contrary, I just thought it was interesting to see. I just had another person ask me what my boy is crossed with!

http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x184/grobis/?action=view&current=PC280497.jpg

[Thomas_1]

I've a mass that go to Strong Gale the dominent sire producer of National Hunt horses.

Great staying power, strength and bravery and just what you need in the hunt field or for eventing aside from racing over jumps.

[ponies123]

Although he is no longer with us, I have a TB mare by Absolut. She looks like a WB - very big height wise and width, but a very nice TB head. Great mover, phenomenal jumper, but needs to grow a brain... I have heard that from several who have Absolut babies, then I have heard from others that he throws very ammy-friendly mounts. I think the trick is that you have to take things slow with them, not rush them. Our mare gets lots of natural horsemanship/parelli work, which I have not done much of before, and she seems to benefit.

[younghunter]

Is your Maria's Mon quiet? Easy to work with?

I would also agree w/ above posters about Alydar and Grey Dawn horses. We've had several and they were all very nice, well-built hunters that stayed sound, sound, sound. I'd like to add the Bold Ruler line as well.

Quiet? Yes. as in trots and canters on the buckle in a large open field with no prep and with or without turnout. Easy to work with? It's more like working around him. he is a red-headed teen-aged step child with no work ethic. But I love him anyway:winkgrin:

[sansibar]

I have one by One Way Love out of Wynstorm (Wynslew)

He is so awesome and hardy. I always am questioned as to whether or not he is a warmblood cross at the minimum because of his awesome build. He is built like a tiny stallion. I love the little guy. He is only about 15.2-15.3 at the most.

William Tell (http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs644.snc4/60431_10150272488550314_500990313_14742489_7437507 _n.jpg)

Pedigree (http://www.pedigreequery.com/cross+eyed+willy)

:)

[netg]

I'll second Pleasant Colony. And his grand- and farther descendents all seem to have some similar conformational tendencies I like a lot.

[Langfuhr]

Gone West, for sure. Certain Dynaformers, or El Prados. Milwaukee Brew (Wild Again) get would fit your type, not to mention that they are probably the most level headed TBs Ive ever been around.
Touch Gold gets good bone, but they're excitable.

[NancyM]

I see this is an old thread, reactivated, but will put my 2 cents in here anyway.

"Big bone" is not necessarily "Good bone". Good bone is dense bone, it may be light bone, or big bone. It should fit the size of the horse. The very soundest horses may not have "big bone", they may have light bone that is very dense, very strong. These tend to be smaller built horses, lighter bodies. They tend to race well, or at least for a long time. So looking for big bone does not necessarily mean that the horse is any sounder or stronger than the lighter boned models.

As for shopping for potential riding prospects, you have to look at the individual more than making too many generalizations about pedigree. The race records of the immediate family will indicate soundness or lack of it in the family. And soundness will have SOMETHING to do with limb strength, but is dependant on so many other things as well, so even that is not a fool proof indicator.

[Reagan]

I don't know much about blood lines but here is my girls pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/last+flight+out

She is a big girl, at 3 she is 17.1, wears a size 2 shoe and a 56 inch girth. She has such a great mind too. I have never started one that was easier than her. She loves people, could care less about anything. The horses can be galloping in the field right next to her and she will walk along cool and collected without even batting an eye. Most people don't know she is TB, even our vet thought she was a WB!

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/Reagan511/ReaganTrailRiding013.jpg
http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz149/Reagan511/MToulouseandReagan013.jpg

[jollytrak]

very interesting to read :) what are your opinions on Birdstone and/or Grindstone offspring?

[Chic Hunter]

Powerscourt out of Salllers Wells throws size, great minds and the most fabu movement.

[Vandy]

We have a lovely gelding in our barn that is from the Wild Again lines (grandsire on top, I think). He is a big, substantial guy, with big substantial feet, and a sweet, kind, willing disposition. He's about 16.2 or 3. I have been told by those who know more than I do that he is very typical of that breeding.
Funny, my Wild Again gelding has decent bone, but teeny tiny feet! However, he does have the sweet, kind, willing disposition and is the favorite hunt horse of his current owner.

I have had a few Phone Tricks, and they've had great minds, very trainable, lots of bone, gigantic feet. I currently have a mare that nobody believes is a OTTB who is going to be a show hunter, but would definitely make a lovely foxhunter - quiet, easy, sound, ground covering stride, lots of bone. Her pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/dandy+andy+topper She is 17.2h...but her full sister is 15.2!

[Doctracy]

Hello!

I am starting the trek to find a TB or TB cross for foxhunting. Can you suggest some good lines that would have good bone, and average ht(15' 2-16) Good feet would really be nice too. I am most interested in an agile, intelligent type..so I can do alot of different things with him.

Thanks very much!!!

Mary
My TB has great feet and bone. Ive hunted him for 7 years. Hes the energizer bunny and has never lost a shoe or been lame. He's Mr. Prospector and Riva Ridge. His father is a full brother to Mr. Prospector and his mother is a daughter of Riva Ridge. Her father is Encoriva, a good sire of QH jumpers.

[mary beth]

I have a 4 yo colt with Gone West in his pedigree that I am considering. His name is Cat gone wild..if someone can pull up his pedigree and comment:confused:I do not know how to link it to coth(!) sorry. But he has Hennesy and Katrina..so any comments would be greatly appreciated..!!!(:

He has a upper susp. sprain, and is not going to be raced anymore. A friend of my non horsey husband owns him, and wants to give him to us, which is very kind, but I would like to know about him from this site. I do not have a pic yet, but he is suppose to be very handsome.

Yes..I eventually want to foxhunt this guy. Know that is a road ahead, but would like a hint of what this great group thinks of what I might be starting with..?

Thanks!!!

[EAY]

We have a lovely gelding in our barn that is from the Wild Again lines (grandsire on top, I think). He is a big, substantial guy, with big substantial feet, and a sweet, kind, willing disposition.

Milwaukee Brew (Wild Again) get would fit your type, not to mention that they are probably the most level headed TBs Ive ever been around.


Funny, my Wild Again gelding has decent bone, but teeny tiny feet! However, he does have the sweet, kind, willing disposition and is the favorite hunt horse of his current owner.


I might be seeing now where my mare gets her great mind. She's from the Shenanigans dam line, and Shenanigans was of course the dam of Wild Again's sire Icecapade. We were at a schooling show yesterday, and while we were trying to warm up a horse got loose not once but twice. He ran around like a complete lunatic before they were able to catch him, and my mare just stood there and watched, hardly batting an eye.

As I mentioned when this thread first came up, she also has big bone and huge feet (she's now in a size 4 shoe) and comes from several lines known for their size [Hoist the Flag, Buckpasser, Seattle Slew, Gray Dawn (by way of the mare Heavenly Cause, dam of Two Punch)].

[EAY]

I have a 4 yo colt with Gone West in his pedigree that I am considering. His name is Cat gone wild..if someone can pull up his pedigree and comment:?

Thanks!!!

Here's his pedigree
http://www.pedigreequery.com/cat+gone+wild

I only have limited knowledge of TB pedigrees, but I know that Storm Cats can sometimes be difficult, and too much Mr. Prospector can lead to soundness issues. In fact we have one 7-year-old in our barn right now with only one start who has Mr. Propsector on top and bottom and has bad stifles and slightly bench knees.

[Langfuhr]

Lookie, lookie who's under the 2nd dam!!!

[harvestmoon]

Lookie, lookie who's under the 2nd dam!!!

:D Silverbulletday?

[mojo7777]

Funny, my Wild Again gelding has decent bone, but teeny tiny feet! However, he does have the sweet, kind, willing disposition and is the favorite hunt horse of his current owner.

I have had a few Phone Tricks, and they've had great minds, very trainable, lots of bone, gigantic feet. I currently have a mare that nobody believes is a OTTB who is going to be a show hunter, but would definitely make a lovely foxhunter - quiet, easy, sound, ground covering stride, lots of bone. Her pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/dandy+andy+topper She is 17.2h...but her full sister is 15.2!

Another Phone Trick here. Another great-minded, big-boned, sound guy who's routinely mistaken for a warmblood or a QH. I've seen many good remarks about this line and I'm happy to add to them!

[amastrike]

Interesting to see Grey Dawn mentioned. I have a Grey Dawn granddaughter--she isn't too big (15.2), but she's solid and athletic. My gelding is by Favorite Trick out of a Pleasant Colony mare, and he's big and beautifully put together. Unfortunately, he's not really rideable due to racing injuries, but he's smart and has a good work ethic. If I could find a sound relative of his, I'd snap them up in a second!

[TKR]

Nancy is right - what all of the rest of you are "thinking" is "good bone" means absolutely zip. The size of the bone is not an indicator of the quality, density or integrity of the bone. Some horses have large bones that are also quite porous and soft. Most Thoroughbreds have a good bone density, but some lines have soundness issues that are not necessarily associated with that, but more because they are not "correct" or aligned properly (Mr. P for example). You cannot assess the quality of the bone by the size. Many horses with lighter bone have great density and thus it is hard and strong and will hold up. If it is in proportion with the horse's size and mass it is adequate for whatever work or discipline you choose. Have it ultrasounded or tested for density instead of measuring for size if you want to judge how sound or good it is.
PennyG

[Invite]

I have a gelding by a grandson of In Reality out of a Valid Appeal mare. He's only 15.3, but he's a tank. Huge barrel, big, solid bone. I have actually had to show his tattoo to people so they would believe he was a TB

My mare by Migrating Moon out of a Buckpasser granddaughter was a big girl with nice solid bone. She was 16.2+/- and looked very much like Buckpasser in build.

My uncle owned a mare by Eternal Prince out of a Pass Catcher mare. This mare was HUGE!!! Over 17 hands with massive legs. I was given her colt by Gold Token and he had her size.

The 2 Dove Hunt youngsters I worked with had good bone and topped out around 15.3. The filly was out of a very tall mare, but stayed short and stocky. The colt was out of 15.2/15.3 hand mare.

[SWpreciousfew]

I have one by Boundary (by Danzig) who has been with me for going on 7 years. He has the best feet (barefoot for the last two years unintentionally! ) He does it all and hasn't had an unsound day...and he can jump the moon. He is also brave and has a fantastic mind(although occasionally difficult). So I would definitely go along with everyone who said Danzig!

[EquineLVR]

Just bought this mare and she has bone like a warmblood..

http://www.pedigreequery.com/bigrbritches

[Thoroughbred1201]

Check out 'A Fine Romance'. He's solidly bulit. A friend bred him to her 3/4 TB mare and ended up with a fantastic baby. He's huge and solid, and incredibly talented as well a gorgeous mover.

[Beam Me Up]

My Alydar grandson was also very much a tank, and a good jumper.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/sad+sack

I have 1 with Seattle Slew on both sides who is very petite though (tall, but quite narrow/light).
http://www.pedigreequery.com/pattons+pegasus

That said, IME bigger bone is really an aesthetic choice, if you are going for "substantial" or "looks like a warmblood." I haven't found bigger boned or bigger built TBs to be categorically sounder/more athletic than lighter boned ones (since bone density we can't tell from looking).