Ticks on hound dog... Anyone have luck with garlic?

[mlranchtx]

So frontline seems to have stopped working for my poor coonhound, Dixie. :no:

She roams further than the Gunieas so that isn't helping her.

We were out of town over the weekend and I pulled 10 ticks off of her yesterday when we got home :eek: :eek:

I HATE ticks.

I don't seem to have a problem with the horses or other dogs but this little girl is a roamin' fool so she's out in the woods a lot.

I am ordering some garlic this week and am thinking of trying some for her. Anybody have any experience with this or any other "spot" treatments that make a big difference with ticks?

Thanks!

[Ben and Me]

Garlic can be toxic to pets.

http://www.entirelypets.com/toxicfoods.html

I'm not sure why it (and onion powder) are found in so many dog treats or available as a supplement for flea control. Not worth the risk IMHO.

Have you tried the Frontline Spray? If she doesn't have access to cats, Advantix may also be an option. Some people have noticed an increase in reactions to Advantix over Frontline, though.

Are you sure that you're applying the Frontline properly? Make sure the dog is completely dry (we recommend 24-48 hours after bathing) before applying and make sure the FL has a chance to absorb before bathing (again, we recommend 24-48 hours). It also takes up to 48 hours to kill ticks (which is apparently before ticks have a chance to spread disease) so that could be why you're still seeing ticks.

[Petstorejunkie]

garlic in high doses can have the same effect as onions for a dog. Toxic, don't do it. Get a preventic collar from your vet

[innisfreed]

I'm not sure why people are so quick to jump on garlic as being toxic. If you stuffed 40 cloves of garlic in your dogs' mouth that would be toxic. But most garlic supplements for dogs are nowhere near a harmful concentration.

By the way, what do you think Frontline and Advantix are made of? They are both 100% chemicals that can cause birth defects in humans if you handle them when you are pregnant.

No thanks, I'll stick to my garlic for my dogs and horses and Skedattle bug repellent for all of us. It works better than nothing.

http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/148/2 is where I get the garlic from. The horses and dog formulation is the same it's just a different dose. Sometimes they have buy on get one free specials and the shipping is quick.

[chaltagor]

By the way, what do you think Frontline and Advantix are made of? They are both 100% chemicals that can cause birth defects in humans if you handle them when you are pregnant.

Really? Can you show where on either MSDS it says that?

[mlranchtx]

Yeah I was kind of suprised about the comments about garlic being toxic....

I was looking at springtime's website and that's where I got the idea.

I guess I'll talk to my vet.

Keep the advice comin!!

[JSwan]

I love Coonhounds!

My beagle is a tick magnet. Frontline kinda sort is working kinda. Used to work great. But it's not worth the money now - I have to apply it every 3 weeks and she's still coming in every day with at least 20-30 ticks. Sometimes more. Like your hound - she's wandering farther than my chickens roam.

The K-9 Advantix works very well but it will kill a cat so be very careful when applying it if you have a cat.

Do you hunt with your coonhound or is she a purely a pet? What a great breed!

[cssutton]

Two things will work every time.

My preference is Bayer's Tree and Shrub Advanced Insect Killer.

Gets fleas and ticks.

Purple cattle tags will get ticks only, but it really works.

You wrap a tag around the collar and staple it together.

Foxhound people use both.

CSSJR

[mlranchtx]

I love Coonhounds!

My beagle is a tick magnet. Frontline kinda sort is working kinda. Used to work great. But it's not worth the money now - I have to apply it every 3 weeks and she's still coming in every day with at least 20-30 ticks. Sometimes more. Like your hound - she's wandering farther than my chickens roam.

The K-9 Advantix works very well but it will kill a cat so be very careful when applying it if you have a cat.

Do you hunt with your coonhound or is she a purely a pet? What a great breed!

All my dogs are just jobless companions :D

My little coonhound is a wonderful nut-case! I found her at a shelter and I think she's English Coonhound and Plott Hound. She is the most hard-headed creature I've ever met.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll68/mlranchtx/dogs/Dixie01.jpg

I also have a Bluetick Coonhound/Sharpei cross... he's got the coonhound body and markings with Sharpei ears, fur and personality. He's my baby.


http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll68/mlranchtx/dogs/Dogs007.jpg

[innisfreed]

Really? Can you show where on either MSDS it says that?

well, how many of us grew up putting furacine on with bare hands, and then 20 years later we find out it's carcinogenic? and how about the geniuses who approved thalidomide for pregnant women? I'm going to say that if you believe every MSDS you read, I have a bridge to sell you. and they still haven't figured out what is causing the 100-fold increase in autism. my guess is that it's the chemicals 90% of the folks out there douse themselves in daily. I'll stick with my approach to organic healthy ways of living and you can stick with your approach.

and by the way, i work for a big 20 pharma with degrees in the sciences so i'm not exactly coming from left field here.

[Chief2]

My mother's dog just got Lyme, and her vet told her that either K9 Advantix or the Preventix collar are the best prevention against ticks. Frontline, not so much.

[JSwan]

:lol::lol: Of course they're hard headed - they're hounds!:lol::lol:

Cute cur dogs - scrunchable faces. Love love love hounds....

Good luck with the ticks gunk.

All my dogs are just jobless companions :D

My little coonhound is a wonderful nut-case! I found her at a shelter and I think she's English Coonhound and Plott Hound. She is the most hard-headed creature I've ever met.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll68/mlranchtx/dogs/Dixie01.jpg

I also have a Bluetick Coonhound/Sharpei cross... he's got the coonhound body and markings with Sharpei ears, fur and personality. He's my baby.


http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll68/mlranchtx/dogs/Dogs007.jpg

[teacher]

For the past six months we have had a tick problem with our older dog. We tried everything: vet recommended collars, vet clinic bath and dip ( absolutely toxic smelling for days),spraying the area around house and barn,etc. Then my husband found a suggestion online about feeding boiled rice mixed with minced garlic. It seems to be working---far fewer ticks to be found. This was particularly weird for us as in the twentysomething years that I have been in Florida, I had never had a tick problem with any animal (now Northern Virginia was another story). So either the rice/garlic mixture is working or it is now getting to hot here(I think I read they don't like very hot climates)

[camohn]

So frontline seems to have stopped working for my poor coonhound, Dixie. :no:

She roams further than the Gunieas so that isn't helping her.

We were out of town over the weekend and I pulled 10 ticks off of her yesterday when we got home :eek: :eek:

I HATE ticks.

I don't seem to have a problem with the horses or other dogs but this little girl is a roamin' fool so she's out in the woods a lot.

I am ordering some garlic this week and am thinking of trying some for her. Anybody have any experience with this or any other "spot" treatments that make a big difference with ticks?

Thanks!

Yes, it has worked for me. Advantix works best for the spot on treatments.

[CB/TB]

Advantix will also repel the nasties, which is exactly what we want. There has been a thread somewhere(????) on Frontline vs Advantix and in some areas the Frontline has become ineffective against fleas and especially ticks. My vet recommends Advantix

[Brookes]

I love the Preventix collar. Works great, lasts longer than the box says it will. I have been using them on my dogs for years. The setters are sent out into the field to work the birds. As soon as they come back in I place their Preventix collars back on, any ticks on the dogs just hop off! I'm ready to wear one when we take them to the trials!

I swear by these things! I have never had any skin reactions or problems with them. Have been using them for 15 years now. Never a tick on my dogs and they spend a ton of time in tick territory!!!

I know some people don't like the collar thing, but if you have tick issues they are a super way to go. They do have to be fairly snug against the dogs neck to work properly. I also found that they don't rub off the hair as my girls also do conformation classes at shows. They are a bit pricey but like I said they last up to 6 months!

[mlranchtx]

Sounds great! I just bought a Preventic collar so we'll see how this goes!!:yes:

[Pancakes]

Garlic IS toxic. It causes heinz body anemia which leads to IMHA. It's a real toxicity.

However, it takes about 5 g/kg of onions/garlic to cause anemia in dogs. (Per the ASPCA Poison Control center)
How much is in supplements? Less, I'm sure. Is enough of it in supplements to be efficacious? Maybe not.
Over time, I'd be worried about using garlic as parasite control long-term. The efficacy is spotty at best, and the toxic cumulative effects of garlic can most definitely catch up with a dog.



I'm not sure why people are so quick to jump on garlic as being toxic. If you stuffed 40 cloves of garlic in your dogs' mouth that would be toxic. But most garlic supplements for dogs are nowhere near a harmful concentration.

By the way, what do you think Frontline and Advantix are made of? They are both 100% chemicals that can cause birth defects in humans if you handle them when you are pregnant.

No thanks, I'll stick to my garlic for my dogs and horses and Skedattle bug repellent for all of us. It works better than nothing.

http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/148/2 is where I get the garlic from. The horses and dog formulation is the same it's just a different dose. Sometimes they have buy on get one free specials and the shipping is quick.

[Renae]

well, how many of us grew up putting furacine on with bare hands, and then 20 years later we find out it's carcinogenic? and how about the geniuses who approved thalidomide for pregnant women? I'm going to say that if you believe every MSDS you read, I have a bridge to sell you. and they still haven't figured out what is causing the 100-fold increase in autism. my guess is that it's the chemicals 90% of the folks out there douse themselves in daily. I'll stick with my approach to organic healthy ways of living and you can stick with your approach.

and by the way, i work for a big 20 pharma with degrees in the sciences so i'm not exactly coming from left field here.

And I know someone who was one of the scientists doing the animal testing with Nutra-Sweet when the substance first came about. Caused severe birth defects in rabbits. And now they are saying plain old sugar fuels cancer cells. Really you could look at about every substance we handle in our lives and find a problem with it, and I think half of the time the "problem" is not that there are more actual cases of thinsg, just more of them are being diagonosed/reckognized.

[equusus]

She roams further than the Gunieas so that isn't helping her.


I don't seem to have a problem with the horses or other dogs but this little girl is a roamin' fool so she's out in the woods a lot.


Thanks!

I guess that fencing your dog in a "safe zone" during tick season is out of the question?

[chaltagor]

well, how many of us grew up putting furacine on with bare hands, and then 20 years later we find out it's carcinogenic? and how about the geniuses who approved thalidomide for pregnant women? I'm going to say that if you believe every MSDS you read, I have a bridge to sell you. and they still haven't figured out what is causing the 100-fold increase in autism. my guess is that it's the chemicals 90% of the folks out there douse themselves in daily. I'll stick with my approach to organic healthy ways of living and you can stick with your approach.

and by the way, i work for a big 20 pharma with degrees in the sciences so i'm not exactly coming from left field here.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/spotquack.html

[mlranchtx]

I guess that fencing your dog in a "safe zone" during tick season is out of the question?

She used to be fenced in... She had a huge pen, probably an acre or so.

When she's "contained" she digs craters (not holes) and barks at them ALL day and ALL night. :eek:

Yup, she's a spaz. :lol:

So we've decided that for her mental health (and ours) she is a free-range dog. She actually sticks around the house most of the day and sleeps in her crate at night. She goes off and hunts for probably 6 hours or so.

Maybe the collar will do the trick!

[innisfreed]

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/spotquack.html

... in response to my post stating my personal belief that it is safer to eat garlic myself and give my dog a garlic supplement, than soak myself in DEET and put pesticides on the dog that sleeps on my bed.

Quite honestly, if this poster thinks that eating organic food grown in healthy soil and trying natural alternatives first is "quackery", as that site you posted seems to insinuate, I feel sorry for any pets or humans you are making primary healthcare decisions for.
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Fipronil - Acaracide, Insecticide - CAS No. 120068-37-3
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[RedTahoe]

My German Shepherd friends (aka they have more than 4 GSDs; we have 4 GSDs) swear by "Bug Off Garlic." (I think someone else may have posted a link for it earlier in the thread).

[RedTahoe]

Really? Can you show where on either MSDS it says that?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but as part of my professional career is chemistry and QA/testing for chemicals our company uses, MSDSes can be incomplete/inaccurate. That's why there's a nice little statement usually found at the very end of each MSDS that says something along the lines of "the information used to create this MSDS was provided by the manufacturer of the product......cannot be held responsible for misinformation."

However, according to the (several and current) MSDS I found in my database for various types of Fipronil (including Frontline), it says, "This product does not contain any substances known to the State of California to cause cancers" and "This product does not contain any substances known to the State of California to cause reproductive harm." Those are the main statements you want to see on an MSDS regarding carcinogenic properties in chemicals.

NOW.....the other side effects/possible problems with long-term exposure is a different story, but they vary as to length of exposure, quantity of exposure, etc.


As for the above poster citing sources to say that Fipronil is carcinogenic, the MSDSes I looked at are from 2005 and newer. An MSDS needs to be rewritten and the product tested every three years. Showing sources from 1995 and 2002 are outdated. The link for biomuncie.org comes up as a blank website for me.

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/fiptech.pdf

"No human data were found on carcinogenic effects of fipronil."

"No human data were found on the teratogenic or reproductive effects of fipronil."

Group C "possible human carcinogen" also contains items such as sand (as in your typical beach sand). COULD possibly cause cancer due to increased tumors (benign), but no scientific tests have shown that is HAS caused cancer.

[cssutton]

And coffee caused tumors....but wait, now they say up to 5 cups a day is good for you.

And butter will kill you....but wait, now they find that the substiture is worse.

And eggs will kill you....but now they find that a few a week are actually good for you.

And then there is global warming. So it does not matter what we eat, we are all going to BURN UP!


CSSJR
If we do not wish to lose our freedom, we must learn to tolerate our
neighbor's right to freedom even though he might express that freedom
in a manner we consider to be eccentric.

[RedTahoe]

A running remark at my company is CAUTION when you go to the beach: the sun, sand, and saltwater can possibly cause cancer (and probably the air sometimes).

[Pancakes]

Okay, so there is question still if fipronil is carcinogenic to people...

but garlic IS proven to be toxic to dogs! That should be the point.

[wendy]

you have to weigh the risk vs. the benefit. Garlic fed daily for long periods of time or in one single large dose is well-proven to be toxic to dogs, and it's doubtful it works as a tick repellant. Sure hasn't worked on any animal I've tried it on.

[Horsegal984]

I have to admit I love the argument that I won't use Frontline because it MIGHT be toxic, so I'm gonna keep using something that WE KNOW is toxic to my pets. How can that make any sense to anyone? I mean really...... I've treated dogs who almost died from water toxicity, but you don't see me only letting my dogs drink grape juice because of it.

A little common sense goes a long way these days, and for me that included not using a substance known and well proven to be toxic when there is one that hasn't been proven to have ill effects.

Katherine
Vet Tech

[mlranchtx]

Well, so far so good!!!

Since one day after the Preventic collar was put on, she hasn't had a single tick on her.

I think I've found the solution and I have a much happier hound dog :-)

Thanks all!

[cssutton]

That post explains why you have the problem to begin with.

Ticks do get on a dog that has been treated.

But what happens is that after they have been on the dog long enough to draw and ingest blood, they die.

So ticks crawling on a dog that has been treated with FrontLine or various other chemicals mentioned here does not mean the products are not working.

It simply means that the tick has not yet drawn blood.

The ususal chain of events is: Tick crawls on dog. Tick attaches. Tick draws blood.

Up until this point, everything looks as though the dog has not been treated.

In 24 hours or less, tick dies. Usually it is still attached and shrivels up, dries up and looks like a loose scab. Then falls off.

CSSJR

[Twisting]

I thought the theory behind garlic as a repellent was that it was excreted in the sweat after consumption and the smell repelled the bugs. I can see it maybe working in people and horses, but last I checked dogs don't sweat. You'd probably have better luck crushing cloves of garlic and making a spray out of it. If you're dead set on the natural route.

[mlranchtx]

That post explains why you have the problem to begin with.

Ticks do get on a dog that has been treated.

But what happens is that after they have been on the dog long enough to draw and ingest blood, they die.

So ticks crawling on a dog that has been treated with FrontLine or various other chemicals mentioned here does not mean the products are not working.

It simply means that the tick has not yet drawn blood.

The ususal chain of events is: Tick crawls on dog. Tick attaches. Tick draws blood.

Up until this point, everything looks as though the dog has not been treated.

In 24 hours or less, tick dies. Usually it is still attached and shrivels up, dries up and looks like a loose scab. Then falls off.

CSSJR


Ok so if I was finding "half full" and completely full ticks attached to the dog the Frontline was "working"? I would find usually 4-8 on her, attached, in various stages of dining. I don't see what frontline does if the tick can suck blood until it's the size of a quarter and still doesn't die. :no:

I'll stick with the collar.;)

[veebug22]

I'm not sure why people are so quick to jump on garlic as being toxic. If you stuffed 40 cloves of garlic in your dogs' mouth that would be toxic. But most garlic supplements for dogs are nowhere near a harmful concentration.

By the way, what do you think Frontline and Advantix are made of? They are both 100% chemicals that can cause birth defects in humans if you handle them when you are pregnant.

No thanks, I'll stick to my garlic for my dogs and horses and Skedattle bug repellent for all of us. It works better than nothing.

http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/148/2 is where I get the garlic from. The horses and dog formulation is the same it's just a different dose. Sometimes they have buy on get one free specials and the shipping is quick.

I use garlic on my horses from Springtime, and have found it very effective, but I was highly advised by my vet NOT to use it on dogs. She says although it's rare with horses, she has seen numerous cases of toxicity in dogs due to garlic. No one's jumping to conclusions... when vets frequently see cases of its use in dogs and toxicity, I would say there is an issue with its use. My vet said these are usually people within the advised dosage. Again, she said it's rare in horses.

I've found Advantix more effective than Frontline Plus. I switched over from a friend and vet's recommendation that they found it more effective, and it seems to be true.

[Nes]

Not that it matters, but are you sure she`s a sharpei mix?
This is an old picture, but her head looks a whole lot like our doberman x border collie mix`s. She`s got the same toes too, so I`d think she`s a dobe mix.

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu269/knitness/gvu12.jpg

Whatever the shelter told you (if that`s where you got her from) don`t believe them, every shelter will label different puppies from the same litter as completely different mixes just based on what they think the pups look like :)

This is what an untouched dobi looks like:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kaXqiZT2oBg/SFSXaQVlkVI/AAAAAAAAAqo/8HXcEIporV4/s1600/696px-Dobermann.jpg

[cssutton]

Ok so if I was finding "half full" and completely full ticks attached to the dog the Frontline was "working"? I would find usually 4-8 on her, attached, in various stages of dining. I don't see what frontline does if the tick can suck blood until it's the size of a quarter and still doesn't die. :no:

I'll stick with the collar.;)

In that case, you have one of two conclusions:

Either the dossage was not correct or the ticks in that area have developed an immunity.

I use Bayer's Tree and Shrub ADVANCED, not the one with fertilizer.

5 to 7 cc's depending on weight, half at the shoulders and the other half at the base of the tail.

I have had no ticks or fleas in my kennel (20 hounds) for two years.

I have had no reactions.

There is no danger of a puppy chewing the collar and getting poisoned.

CSSJR

[wendy]

if you're finding engorged ticks, then no, the product is not working.

[Nootka]

I also have a Bluetick Coonhound/Sharpei cross... he's got the coonhound body and markings with Sharpei ears, fur and personality. He's my baby.


http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll68/mlranchtx/dogs/Dogs007.jpg

OMG you better lock him up before I come take that baby:yes: Look at that face. He is soooooo cute

[mlranchtx]

OMG you better lock him up before I come take that baby:yes: Look at that face. He is soooooo cute

Thanks!! He's my boy :D

I keep telling my hubby if anything happens I'll have him cloned. He's useless and loves to get into the trash but he's the luviest dog I've ever had.

[mlranchtx]

Not that it matters, but are you sure she`s a sharpei mix?
This is an old picture, but her head looks a whole lot like our doberman x border collie mix`s. She`s got the same toes too, so I`d think she`s a dobe mix.

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu269/knitness/gvu12.jpg

Whatever the shelter told you (if that`s where you got her from) don`t believe them, every shelter will label different puppies from the same litter as completely different mixes just based on what they think the pups look like :)

This is what an untouched dobi looks like:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kaXqiZT2oBg/SFSXaQVlkVI/AAAAAAAAAqo/8HXcEIporV4/s1600/696px-Dobermann.jpg

Someday I might get that doggie DNA test to be sure but yes, he's got the fur of a Sharpei and I'm not sure of any other dog breed with that short, bristley coat. Who knows though.... Only a DNA test will tell.

[mlranchtx]

Not that it matters, but are you sure she`s a sharpei mix?
This is an old picture, but her head looks a whole lot like our doberman x border collie mix`s. She`s got the same toes too, so I`d think she`s a dobe mix.

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu269/knitness/gvu12.jpg

Whatever the shelter told you (if that`s where you got her from) don`t believe them, every shelter will label different puppies from the same litter as completely different mixes just based on what they think the pups look like :)

This is what an untouched dobi looks like:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kaXqiZT2oBg/SFSXaQVlkVI/AAAAAAAAAqo/8HXcEIporV4/s1600/696px-Dobermann.jpg

Someday I might get that doggie DNA test to be sure but yes, he's got the fur of a Sharpei and I'm not sure of any other dog breed with that short, bristley coat. Who knows though.... Only a DNA test will tell.
Actually, the shelter said he was a full blooded Bluetick Coonhound.... Imagine my suprise when his ears never grew. :eek:

[Nes]

Dobis actually have quite short coats. I'm just wondering because I don't see the facial features of the sharpie at all but he's got a very dobi eye. Then again I'm not expert - and it doesn't matter even a little bit :D

I've had to explain to a very many people our madi is not a rotweiler mix (she's tiny skiny, I don't get it!) because of her colouring. I knew her mother, the border collie, and when we stick her next to a dobi the resemblance is UNCANNY so there is no debating who her parents were. Even though my friend was told the "not pregnant" border collie she had adopted had only "ever been with border collies, at a breeding facility"... Yeah, no one is adopting from those guys again any time soon!

[jdizon]

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[camohn]

I'm not sure why people are so quick to jump on garlic as being toxic. If you stuffed 40 cloves of garlic in your dogs' mouth that would be toxic. But most garlic supplements for dogs are nowhere near a harmful concentration.

By the way, what do you think Frontline and Advantix are made of? They are both 100% chemicals that can cause birth defects in humans if you handle them when you are pregnant.

No thanks, I'll stick to my garlic for my dogs and horses and Skedattle bug repellent for all of us. It works better than nothing.

http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/148/2 is where I get the garlic from. The horses and dog formulation is the same it's just a different dose. Sometimes they have buy on get one free specials and the shipping is quick.

I use the Springtime stuff successfully too.
Here is the thing about garlic: you have to be careful how the garlic is processed. The "toxic" ingredient in garlic is an acid that breaks down with exposure to air (within an matter of hours). Fresh garlic has a little in it, it dissipates in garlic that was air dried and it gets mega concentrated in garlic that was freeze dried. MOST of your Joe Average garlic that you get at the grocery store or Walmart etc. intended for human cooking is freeze dried. You do NOT want to use freeze dried garlic. The stuff at Springtime is air dried. For folks that want to make their own fresh stuff just use a garlic press and let it sit out on the counter for a few hours first.

[Brookes]

Yeah! I'm glad you tried the Preventix and it has worked. I truly do swear by these things. Never ever had a problem with anything that I could possibly relate to the collar.

I know that we would all like to use a natural repellent but due to the sickness that ticks that can carry I just am not willing to take a chance with my girls. We have a gazillion turkeys in our neighborhood that keep the ticks down, luckily.

However taking the girls out to field trials is another thing. Major tick world. Everyone I know that uses Preventix loves it.

By the way mlranch, your dog is just the cutest! Glad it is working. Best way to keep her healthy. Don't let her swim in it or get it wet and leave it on her. The thing works well when kept dry and won't overload the dog with chemicals.