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GirlGeek
May. 17, 2009, 03:39 PM
Ok, just when you think you've seen it all, something odd comes up to keep your life interesting.

I just purchased a new horse (Apdx QH). I noticed when I bought him that it looked like he hadn't had a sheath cleaning in a VERY long time (really scrotty looking when he dropped.) Since I was having the vet out for shots and a new coggins, I had her knock him out and do his cleaning. She did it, we had a chat and both went on with our day.

While giving him a bath last night, he dropped and I looked at him - he looked like before he'd been cleaned, although I know the vet cleaned him up. I touched him to see how stuck on the scaly bits were -- hoping I could just wet him down and wipe most of it off. Turns out it isn't/wasn't a scrotty penis, but it's actually peeling and that's skin hanging off of him! I'm not talking a piece of skin here or there - I'm talking from the head of his penis to about 8-10" up. She didn't mention anything about it (I would think it would be something worth mentioning, no?). Any ideas about what would cause it/what I can do about it? Any experience with it?

I am going to give her a buzz tomorrow morning, but if anyone has any experience with something similar, let me know!

BeaSting
May. 17, 2009, 03:55 PM
Yeah. Sometimes soap will cause the skin too become too dry. Anti-bacterial soap will also disrupt the natural skin flora and contribute to drying. Try a bit of light mineral oil.

Flash44
May. 17, 2009, 04:12 PM
This is why I only have MARES!!!!!

kookicat
May. 17, 2009, 04:21 PM
Penis is not a dirty word. ;)

Try a little baby oil to relieve the dryness.

MunchkinsMom
May. 17, 2009, 05:03 PM
My youngest gelding gets like that, no matter how clean I try to keep him. So, what I do, is if he is dropped and I notice that he looks a bit scaley, I just put some baby oil on it, and it clears up on it's own.

My older gelding does not have the same issue, must just be different body chemistry.

goeslikestink
May. 17, 2009, 05:13 PM
spray baby oil on it then leave it alone they are slef cleaning and not menat to be man handled usless for medical reasons or stud work

twofatponies
May. 17, 2009, 05:45 PM
spray baby oil on it then leave it alone they are slef cleaning and not menat to be man handled usless for medical reasons or stud work

Whew. Cuz otherwise I'm never getting a boy horse. ;D

caballus
May. 17, 2009, 06:21 PM
spray baby oil on it then leave it alone they are slef cleaning and not menat to be man handled usless for medical reasons or stud work They are meant to be self-cleaning when they are left intact and used for the purpose for which they are created. However, geldings don't have that opportunity, do they? Therefore, I disagree and geldings need to be cleaned now and then.

GirlGeek
May. 17, 2009, 06:45 PM
While I think the baby oil approach would work if it looked like a minor case of dry skin, but I'm talking about it looks like the skin hanging off of a burn victim...for some reason I don't think baby oil is gonna cut it.

(and kookicat, I agree penis isn't a dirty word, but I wasn't sure if the moderators would allow it in a subject line...) :winkgrin:

2bee
May. 17, 2009, 06:52 PM
They are meant to be self-cleaning when they are left intact and used for the purpose for which they are created. However, geldings don't have that opportunity, do they? Therefore, I disagree and geldings need to be cleaned now and then.

Yes, man has "meddled" by creating a gelding, but for the most part they still can be left alone. I've never owned a gelding that had to be cleaned, of course I understand that some do. I also believe some people enjoy it too much. :)

A stallion in the wild is not out there breeding at will, natural selection generally dictates only the best specimens pass on their genes.....and even then only in their prime which would only be a few years of their life. So for the majority of a wild stallion's life his penis gets as much attention and use as a domestic gelding's.



GirlGeek,

Since you are unfamiliar with the horse penis you should check with your vet. Could be a problem with the vets cleaning solution, maybe didnt get rinsed real well. Most likely it is not a problem.

Renn/aissance
May. 17, 2009, 07:11 PM
While I think the baby oil approach would work if it looked like a minor case of dry skin, but I'm talking about it looks like the skin hanging off of a burn victim...for some reason I don't think baby oil is gonna cut it.

(and kookicat, I agree penis isn't a dirty word, but I wasn't sure if the moderators would allow it in a subject line...) :winkgrin:

My horse gets the "scalies" too; he has chronic dry skin on his penis, and I don't know why that is, but it also contributes to faster development of beans, so you might want to think about that with yours. Anyway, I keep the area well lubricated (provide your own jokes) with baby oil, applied about once a week, and peel off what comes easily. Since adopting this regimen the scalies haven't been half the problem that they used to be.

I also clean with baby oil and water rather than Ivory soap if I can; I have to be up there every two weeks or so (he is high maintenance in that respect) and I try to avoid drying the skin further.

FoxChaser
May. 17, 2009, 07:49 PM
Some are just more prone to dry skin post-washing than others. I use Excalibur on all my boys and had never had a problem. My son got a pony gelding who I don't think had ever been cleaned (took a combination of dormosedan, Ace, a twitch, warm water, and wrestling him into a corner to get the job done- ugh!). Poor guy was a bit puffy and had the worst "bean" (more like a ring) of white waxy crud (not like the usual grey bean) all the way around his urethra. Anyway, after getting that all out and cleaning him up, he too peeled like there was no tomorrow. The baby oil is a good tip!

Ambrey
May. 17, 2009, 09:07 PM
Does the skin look tender or raw under it?

Or is it just dead skin sloughing off and not getting flushed away (ha ha) with healthy skin under it?

goodhors
May. 18, 2009, 10:49 AM
Folks using baby oil might want to go to straight mineral oil instead. Baby oil is MOSTLY mineral oil, with some perfume added. Read the ingredients label. Perfume reaction is REALLY painful, can cause huge sores.

I had a horse react very BADLY to baby oil used on his tailbone, causing sores and hair loss. I HATE to think what would have happened if I had used baby oil on his penis!! He was in rough shape, ended up loosing almost half the hair on that tailbone. Bone was covered in oozy sores that took a while to clear up, had to regrow his tail. And that was only one application, rubbed into the bone! Listerine mix was the saving product for us there, to ease his pain and the runny sores. Got his skin cleared up, soft and smooth again on the bone, hair coming back.

I went to the mineral oil only for his tail bone dryness, had no reactions from that horse to the mineral oil. He just was extremely sensitive to the perfume additive, had the terrible reaction. I had a half brother to this horse, but we didn't dare try the baby oil on him at all. I just changed to mineral oil for tails on everyone in the barn. No other horse over many years, had ever had a bad reaction to using baby oil on them.

Just a warning, compounded things like baby oil can cause adverse reactions in some animals, where the straight ingredient like mineral oil does not.

Sheath area is NOT a place you want to have a bad reaction to a product.

jjlynch03
May. 18, 2009, 11:01 AM
Hahah when i had my geldings i did mine....and all the others in the barn to get extra $$$. It doesn't bother me at all. and their owners REFUSED to do it haha.

I actually used the sheath cleaning stuff. I can't remember what its called. I've since then sold my gelding and now have a mare so no need to get it... But its green gel looking stuff and works SOOO well it never dried any of my guys out! Everyone seemed happy afterward

webmistress32
May. 18, 2009, 11:10 AM
go to the drug store, get the cheapest bottle of baby oil gel you can find.

take a huge GLOP of it on your hand and gently (and lovingly, they like that) place it up inside his sheath and whirl it around a bit.

when he drops and retracts it will clean itself.

do this about every two weeks and his weiny will be clean and shiny!

edited to add: I see the note now about baby oil; it probably doesn't matter what oil you use but I do like the gel format. maybe if you just make sure it has no added perfumes?

webmistress32
May. 18, 2009, 11:12 AM
tea tree oil is the active ingredient in the excaliber.

jjlynch03
May. 18, 2009, 11:18 AM
tea tree oil is the active ingredient in the excaliber.

Thats what its called! Yea it smelled awesome. and just looked like it felt nice...No weirdness intended...

Ambrey
May. 18, 2009, 11:42 AM
I wouldn't rub pure tea tree oil on it, though... it can be irritating!

fordtraktor
May. 18, 2009, 11:50 AM
Does ANYONE really *enjoy* cleaning sheaths? Really? The smell! Ugh.

Some geldings are naturally dirtier than others, but you at least need to fish out the "bean" once a year. If left alone they can block/swell/have other UTI problems.

BornToRide
May. 18, 2009, 01:18 PM
Penis is not a dirty word. ;)

Try a little baby oil to relieve the dryness.LOLOLOL - so true :D

Thomas_1
May. 18, 2009, 01:23 PM
Just put some baby oil on it and leave it well alone.

Petstorejunkie
May. 18, 2009, 01:27 PM
Did ya'll not catch that she re posted that flesh is falling off and he looks like a burn victim? :eek:

This to me sounds like one of two things:
1.that creepy disease there was a thread about here on coth about a week ago where penises were rotting to bits
2. an allergic reaction to what she cleaned with. I am personally highly allergic to glycerine, and will break out in hives if i use soap with glycerine. my horse is highly allergic to citronella and his flesh will fall off and ooze if he comes in contact with it... perhaps your horse is allergic to the cleanser she used. most likely it was chlorhexadine scrub which can be a bit harsh on delicate skin.

I'd call right away and tell her what's going on.

theoldgreymare
May. 18, 2009, 02:18 PM
Does ANYONE really *enjoy* cleaning sheaths? Really?


If there is anyone who does enjoy it, please contact me asap. I have 11 (yes, 11) dirty willies that you can have at immediately :D. God, I am dreading it.......

Anway...OP-I have seen an instance like what you are describing when someone fly sprayed their gelding while he was dropped. Possible in your case? If not, sounds like he is reacting to whatever your vet cleaned with.

texang73
May. 18, 2009, 02:49 PM
This may sound like a weird question, but what color is his penis? :eek: I only ask because I notice in my older gelding, whose penis is all gray, he seems to stay cleaner longer... where as my younger gelding, whose penis is grey and pink, on the pink parts he gets dry flakey patches of skin/dirt/ I dunno what else, that I'd never seen before on the other horse.

Another boarder has mentioned she's noticed that the pink skinned ones seem to get the flaky stuff more often... I just gently peel them off when he drops (which is rare, he's modest! :D ) and give him a thorough cleaning every few months (he has to be drugged... Like I said, he'd modest! :lol:)

Thomas_1
May. 18, 2009, 03:50 PM
Did ya'll not catch that she re posted that flesh is falling off and he looks like a burn victim? :eek:.
I saw that but presumed as the first posting didn't sound like the horse was suffering any discomfort that this is just exfoliation.

Without seeing a photo of the penis though I wouldn't really know ....... and I'm reluctant to type the words "show a photo of the penis" on the internet for fear of getting into trouble ..... what with my wife working with computer crime and particularly paedophilia and porn!

arabhorse2
May. 18, 2009, 03:53 PM
Casper's penis is black and pink. The pink parts seem to "shed" more often than the black parts.

He's in no pain, and I keep him clean. I think it's just normal exfoliation.

It does look kind of funky, but it sure doesn't look like he's a peeling burn victim.

Ambrey
May. 18, 2009, 03:55 PM
That's why I'd think it would make a big difference what the skin underneath looks like.

Exfoliation and peely bits are normal. Peely bits with raw, tender skin underneath would mean that something has killed the skin cells before their time, would it not?

But no update from the OP.

cloudyandcallie
May. 18, 2009, 07:13 PM
This is why I only have MARES!!!!!

I spent as much time cleaning Callie's udder as I spent/spend cleaning Cloudy's penis. Mares get that build up in the middle, plus the rear end cleaning when they are in season. But all worth it if you keep everything clean and don't let it get dirty. I treat it as I treat all other parts of my horses, eveything gets cleaned.

Is OP sure that that's not just smegma that has been built up in the sheath and is coming loose? There is probably a lot more smegma stuck up there if he hadn't been cleaned in ages.

All 3 of my lifetime male horses have had pink penises, so I don't know if they have more smegma than do the dark ones. I've read articles that say that pink has more smegma.

cloudyandcallie
May. 18, 2009, 07:19 PM
I saw that but presumed as the first posting didn't sound like the horse was suffering any discomfort that this is just exfoliation.

Without seeing a photo of the penis though I wouldn't really know ....... and I'm reluctant to type the words "show a photo of the penis" on the internet for fear of getting into trouble ..... what with my wife working with computer crime and particularly paedophilia and porn!

Don't go there! I once googled "german stud books" and did NOT get horse info.:lol:

cloudyandcallie
May. 18, 2009, 07:23 PM
They are meant to be self-cleaning when they are left intact and used for the purpose for which they are created. However, geldings don't have that opportunity, do they? Therefore, I disagree and geldings need to be cleaned now and then.

Right. They get all the smegma off when they are breeding. So Cloudy has been taught to drop on command, not that he isn't always exposing himself to mares, .and we clean often. I don't understand why women all are so put off with big appendages.:lol:

lorilu
May. 18, 2009, 07:53 PM
A few years ago a friend used Excalibur and her horse had a bad reaction to it....his sheath swelled up somethng terrible.

Just a word to the wise, some horses are alergic to the tea tree oil

L

jjlynch03
May. 18, 2009, 08:42 PM
Honestly i would just call the vet that cleaned him, Ask her/him what he/she used and tell her about it. I'm sure your horse is not the only one that has had that, i've seen it but never with a horse i have done, It wouldn't cost anything just to call and ask =]

kdow
May. 18, 2009, 09:53 PM
A few years ago a friend used Excalibur and her horse had a bad reaction to it....his sheath swelled up somethng terrible.

Just a word to the wise, some horses are alergic to the tea tree oil

L

Tea tree oil is also drying, if you're looking at getting your own essential oil and adding it to something. I'd assume in a product WITH tea tree oil, they're probably using a small enough amount that it's not a problem - but you wouldn't want to use tea tree oil undiluted for most things.

Anyway, mineral oil can also be a problem - it doesn't actually really get absorbed so it works well for lubricating things, but not as well for moisturizing. If I was after moisturizing, I'd probably go for jojoba oil. (Jojoba oil is pretty similar in chemical structure to natural skin oils, so it absorbs well.)

GirlGeek
May. 19, 2009, 02:24 AM
I'm sorry I didn't get back to everyone sooner (but I'm almost glad I didn't - some of your responses had me howling!)

The vet cleaned him with Excalibur and warm water. He's a flea-bitten gray and his penis is dark gray/black.

He looked like he does now before she cleaned him, which made me believe that he was very dirty to begin with, but now I'm starting to wonder if what the majority of what I believed was a dirty penis was really this peeling/hanging skin problem. But I would think she would have said something about it, which is also puzzling to me...

Can't say definitively if he is/isn't uncomfortable - he's rather touchy on various areas of his body anyway (another issue altogether) and I'd either have to twitch him or knock him out to do any further cleaning or treatment other than hose rinsing (he has a nasty and very speedy cow kick installed). And for the record, I don't mind sheath or udder cleaning, as long as I have gloves.

I'll have to look up the creepy rotting penis thread (god, the stuff we talk about out here!) :lol: And to save everyone from surfing odd stud & penis sites or being arrested by the porn police (of which I am one also Thomas_1!), I'll see if I can get a photo of it and see what you all think. And I do have a call in to the vet, so I'll also see what she thinks/thought/noticed when she did him.

Thanks for all of your suggestions - I appreciate all of them!

GG

nlk
May. 19, 2009, 03:07 AM
not my favorite thing but I have a great story...

When I was in 10th or 11th grade my best friend was dating a very nice vut very sheltered girl. We had plans to go somewhere but I had to bath my horse and decided to clean him while I had him out. I put on my gloves and was about up to my elbow (literally) when they stopped at the barn to see if I was ready....I thought she was going to faint when she realized what I was doing! She turned around and ran to the car and stayed there till we left.

GirlGeek
May. 19, 2009, 03:18 AM
Bet you didn't get a handshake good night.... :-D

webmistress32
May. 19, 2009, 08:48 AM
my horse loves to have his thing handled and the sheath rubbed and scratched.

I am sure doing the spring cleaning will elicit groans of happiness and pleasure. I may have to offer him a cigarette after ...

hopefully my non-horsey neighbors will not pick this moment to stop over and visit.

DieBlaueReiterin
May. 19, 2009, 01:06 PM
My horse gets the "scalies" too; he has chronic dry skin on his penis, and I don't know why that is, but it also contributes to faster development of beans, so you might want to think about that with yours. Anyway, I keep the area well lubricated (provide your own jokes) with baby oil, applied about once a week, and peel off what comes easily. Since adopting this regimen the scalies haven't been half the problem that they used to be.

I also clean with baby oil and water rather than Ivory soap if I can; I have to be up there every two weeks or so (he is high maintenance in that respect) and I try to avoid drying the skin further.

interesting-my gelding also gets scaly like that and he also builds up a bean quicker than any horse i've ever met. i wonder why that is? and thanks for the baby oil tip :)

Romany
May. 19, 2009, 04:15 PM
Instead of baby oil (perfumed, which can irritate and/or be astringent) or Excalibur (tea-tree oil can be irritating and/or astringent in some situations), use KY jelly, which is meant to lubricate and moisturize, amongst other wonderful properties. That's what our vets recommend over baby oil or Excalibur. It doesn't need to be rinsed off, either.

Besides, you haven't really lived until you've stood in Costco's check-out with three Family Packs ("family"? :eek: ) of KY jelly....unless it's when DH found all those family packs in the tackroom, and I had some 'splaining to do. :lol:

LouLove
May. 19, 2009, 10:26 PM
Wow. I just got my gelding. My first gelding. I can't wait to remove my first bean. It will be an initiation of sorts.

Anyhow, from what I have read so far, either KY Jelly or Mineral Oil, a rubber glove, and some romantic country music should get us by.

Yee-haw. Can't wait. Watch out Mr. Bean....here I come.

LL

goeslikestink
May. 20, 2009, 01:52 PM
Don't go there! I once googled "german stud books" and did NOT get horse info.:lol:

lol-- silly billy

goeslikestink
May. 20, 2009, 02:02 PM
god if you worried about baby oil then use ky jelly -
then there isnt any additives in it -- and its only to moisten the area - which in turn will help with self clean god i have had hundres of horses and never ever needed to clean any one of the gelding i have had i still have 6 boys and never needed to find there bean or whatever either
all i do is occasionally spray with baby oil- same to with the mares job done

people will go picking off bits and then the horse becomes sore and raw and they dont realsie they have bateria on there hands and in there fignernails-- dont go picking your nose now will you

and gloves if worn can also make a horse sore and sticking one hand up where it should be then the horse also will swell up- unless for medical reasons or stud work then dont touch it theres no need to

Huntertwo
May. 20, 2009, 02:18 PM
This is why I only have MARES!!!!!

Me too!!!!:)

LouLove
May. 20, 2009, 03:58 PM
and they dont realsie they have bateria on there hands and in there fignernails-- dont go picking your nose now will you

The most important tip I've gotten so far. Do not pick nose after searching for bean.

LOL :) goeslikestink - this made me laugh. You may not have intended humour. But it sounds hilarious.

LL

goeslikestink
May. 20, 2009, 05:42 PM
The most important tip I've gotten so far. Do not pick nose after searching for bean.

LOL :) goeslikestink - this made me laugh. You may not have intended humour. But it sounds hilarious.

LL

i did lol

cararealrider
Jun. 1, 2009, 06:34 PM
Thanks for the tips you all! But I gotto say, I have never laughed in a forum so hard in my life! Yep I had a gelding too. Just part of gelding maintenence:lol:

Frank B
Jun. 2, 2009, 09:09 AM
As far as the periodic maintenance, I use a large (<60 cc) hypodermic syringe with the tip cut off. Fill it with KY or generic equivalent, squirt it well up into the sheath, and work it around with your hand. Then go for a ride. Afterwards, flush well with warm water. Most of the smegma will be washed right out.

I don't mind sheath cleaning as long as the horse doesn't. But then I'm one of those that loves to disassemble an old greasy piece of broken down machinery and bring it back to like-new condition. And the stuff inside a crankcase is much worse than what's in a sheath.