WHO RIDES BIRD IN BELMONT?

[gubbyz]

Just curious for opinions. If Rachel skips Belmont, would you put Calvin back on Bird? Or opt for Mike Smith? Does pride play a big part, as in "you chose that other horse over mine?"

[danceronice]

I would think they might switch back, partially because isn't Mike Smith the usual rider for Chocolate Candy? Which would let him switch back.

[Glimmerglass]

I would think they might switch back, partially because isn't Mike Smith the usual rider for Chocolate Candy? Which would let him switch back.

Correct. Chocolate Candy was being pointed to the Belmont, however that can always change. I suspect several runners from the Preakness are a no-go to continue again.

Calvin said that he would be open to riding again as did the Bird's connections.

[Glimmerglass]

Maybe not so much, actually, with Mike Smith on 'Candy':

Baltimore Sun 5-16 "Team 'Bird' wants another shot at 'Rachel'" (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/horseracing/bal-preakside515,0,7546113.story)

While reflecting on Rachel Alexander's near wire-to-wire win, Smith essentially called the filly out.

"I bet you they won't run her against him again," Smith said. "I bet you she doesn't run in the Belmont. I can almost predict it."

Asked why he is so sure the filly will avoid the last leg of the Triple Crown, Smith grinned and said, "It's just an opinion."

Smith added that he would be open to riding Mine That Bird at the Belmont in three weeks. Trainer Chip Woolley has already declared that Mine That Bird will run the race, and said he welcomes the opportunity to face Rachel Alexandra again.

[danceronice]

Smart opinion. If MBT hadn't won the Derby he was supposed to skip the Preakness and go to the Belmont because he's bred for distance. She looked like she wasn't liking 1 3/16, never mind 1 1/2. Especially with the talk already about the footing, and Belmont deeper.

Still, that would be awkward....supposedly, no hard feelings with Borel and no one can argue he didn't have an awesome ride in the Derby, heck, arguably without him MTB wouldn't have won the Derby, but on the other hand Smith on MTB nearly ran down RA, the so-called superfreak, after having to go seven wide to get to her, on a horse STILL getting no respect who likes a longer race, so obviously HE can turn in a great ride on MTB.

[trafalgar]

Everyone is talking about what a wonder horse RA is and I agree but we certainly saw that the Derby was no fluke and I think MTB at 15.1 is an equal "super equine freak" who would have won that race if he had found an opening and once again he came on with incredible speed after a long race and from way back. I don't think enough credit has been given this little speed demon. My bet is that RA will not go to the Belmont and I hope she doesn't ...She is a fabulous filly but what is the point in pushing her so hard....she has earned her place in the history books. Oh, I forgot the original question, I don't know who will ride him but either one of those two jockeys could get the job done.

[War Admiral]

Which of the jockeys has a better internal timeclock in a long race to know when to let loose? Whoever it is, that's who I'd pick! :)

[Mara]

Just throwing this out here since folks love to speculate on what would've happened had the race been 1/16 of a mile longer. . .

Maybe Mine That Bird would have caught the filly, and Rachel Alexandra would have (a la Cigar in the '96 Dubai World Cup) dug down to find something. . .

Ya never know. . .that's why they run them on tracks and not on the internet.

[mintano]

[QUOTE=danceronice;4099197]She looked like she wasn't liking 1 3/16, never mind 1 1/2. Especially with the talk already about the footing, and Belmont deeper.[QUOTE]

Actually I've talked to quite a few people who have raced horses at Pimlico and said the ground is quirky and seems deeper than Belmont.

[Edgewood]

Baltimore sun in reporting that Mike Smith will ride MTB even if RA does not race in the Belmont
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/horseracing/bal-mine-that-bird-517,0,5158097.story

[hoofstep]

Personally I think it will have much to do with the relationship between the jock that just rode the horse and the horse's connections. If we assume that Borel has had a long-standing relationship with MTB's connections, and Smith has a very weak one, more than likely Borel would be the choice. On the other hand, assuming both jocks have an equal relationship to MTB's connections, my guess is that Smith would keep the mount.

There is so much weird stuff that goes on between people and things can turn on a careless statement, a failure to greet the next morning, or everyone appearing at the same resturant together and having to look at each other while they sit at their respective tables, i.e. Borel and RA's Connections at one table; Smith and MTB's at another. It's all in the particular energy that zings around and the varying levels of intimacy and alienation that occur on a subconscious level.

Emotions move us more than we are aware of, imho.

[Blinkers On]

The Derby was the first time Smith Rode Chocolate Candy. Rosario and Baze have ridden Candy for most of his career. I can hardly see a dilema for agent or jock if given the opportunity to ride Mine That Bird in the Belmont.

[Pirateer]

I've I was Bird's trainers, I wouldn't let Borel near him.

Way to kick sand in the face of the horse you won the DERBY on.

[Glimmerglass]

Mike Smith will NOT ride Mine That Bird - nor any horses - in the Belmont; he is skipping that to ride in California instead.

From the DRF May 18, 2009 @ 1 pm EST (http://www.drf.com/news/article/103872.html)

Mike Smith, who rode Mine That Bird to a second-place finish in the Preakness Stakes on Saturday, will not ride him in the June 6 Belmont Stakes, choosing instead to ride Madeo in the Grade 1 Whittingham Stakes at Hollywood Park that day.

Brad Pegram, Smith's agent, informed Chip Woolley, the trainer of Mine That Bird, on Monday morning. The decision opens the possibility that Calvin Borel, who rode Mine That Bird to a victory in the Kentucky Derby before opting to ride the filly Rachel Alexandra in the Preakness, can get back on Mine That Bird for the Belmont, if Rachel Alexandra does not run. As of Monday she was only considered possible for the Belmont.

"We made this commitment to Madeo before the Preakness, before the filly was sold and Calvin took off Mine That Bird to ride the filly and we got a chance to ride Mine That Bird in the Preakness," Pegram said Monday.

Madeo is owned by Jerry and Ann Moss and trained by John Shirreffs, with whom Smith has won major races with the likes of Giacomo and Zenyatta. Shirreffs's wife, Dottie, is the racing manager for the Mosses.

"Everybody is well aware of the relationship that Mike has with John and Dottie and the Mosses," Pegram said. "It's just too bad that these races are on the same day."

Woolley, reached by phone while driving Mine That Bird back to Churchill Downs from Pimlico, said he would "have to see" if Borel would regain the mount.

Borel would be available to ride Mine That Bird in the Belmont if Rachel Alexandra does not run. On Sunday, Rachel Alexandra's trainer, Steve Asmussen, said he would consult with majority owner Jess Jackson before deciding on a Belmont start. But Asmussen allowed that he didn't look at the Belmont with the same urgency as he did the Preakness for Rachel Alexandra.

[Pirateer]

What about letting Chantal have the ride back?

[DickHertz]

What about letting Chantal have the ride back?

Chantal was on because of Dave Cotey. That ship has sailed.

[War Admiral]

That is JUST. BIZARRE. I would think jocks would be falling all over themselves at this point to ride him.

[Glimmerglass]

I'm sure Chip will have a wide variety of excellent jocks to pick from. I myself would look to bring in a jockey who knows Big Sandy like his/her backhand.

I can fully understand Smith sticking with a top client in California where his bread-and-butter is. You'd hate to miff a big client who has plenty of top graded stakes runners and potentially lose the seat on Madeo going forward. The Moss family aren't like that but no reason to tempt fate.

Mike Smith knows he's not the story line for this year's fairytale and I think he'd rather, all things considered, let Calvin get back on.

As noted before on another thread and maybe its not a quid-pro-quo rule, but if you are an American jockey and you want to ride at Woodbine you can only ride an American owned horse. So I wonder if Chantal on a one-off basis would be precluded for racing at Belmont on Mine That Bird ;)

[Drvmb1ggl3]

Given she rides half the year in SoCal, I imagine she has the necessary visa/work permit to ride/work anywhere in the US, including NY.

I imagine the Woodbine rule has to do with work permits and immigration status, and I'm sure Canadian jocks can't just waltz south across the border and ride without dealing with similar issues.

Jockeys have run into issues like that before. Ahmad Ajtebi, the jockey who was the local hero on Dubai World Cup night, was deported from the UK last year for not having the proper work permits. I imagine with his new found high profile, and large bank balance, that he won't have such problems in the future.

[Catsdorule-sigh]

Glimmerglass
I can fully understand Smith sticking with a top client in California where his bread-and-butter is. You'd hate to miff a big client who has plenty of top graded stakes runners and potentially lose the seat on Madeo going forward. The Moss family aren't like that but no reason to tempt fate.


Maybe the Moss family would be gracious enough to let Mike ride the Bird in the Belmont and regain his ride on Madeo after.

I don't know if he knows Belmont that well but I've mentioned before Joe Talamo for Mine That Bird. He's already proven he's not rattled and can take back when necessary then find the holes to get the job done. Whether I Want Revenge is all that good or not, that was some ride by the young fella.

[jse]

I have a question for the racing folks!
Suppose Borel does get Mine That Bird for the Belmont, and suppose he wins. Would that be a first for a jockey to win all three races, but on different horses?
Just a thought...

[Pirateer]

Since he's the first jockey to win the KD and Preakness on different horses, I'm gonna have to hazard a guess that yes, he'd be the first to win all three.

[Glimmerglass]

Joe Talamo committed to riding Summer Bird in the Belmont (http://www.drf.com/news/article/103703.html) as of May 12th.

As for Mike Smith he has for a couple of days now been saying to the press that he'd be happy to ride MTB again in the Belmont, then suddenly it's a no-go with another committment.

It makes you wonder why his agent wouldn't immediately tell him of a conflict: ("pssst, hey Mike that's not going to work you gotta be in Cali for the $300k Whittingham Stakes")

Somewhere in all of that is the true story of why it now won't work with Mike Smith.

Be it either he's feeling that the horse won win, or that the public would rather see Calvin ride MTB (Mike was quoted as saying in his gut that Rachel won't go to the Belmont) so he bows out gracefully with a "conflict", or his agent cannot get him out of the Moss agreement, or simply he stands to make more money being in California the full weekend then flying out out to Belmont.

All speculation but I don't see a flip-flop occuring where the Moss family going public saying they'd rather let him ride in the Belmont.

[Glimmerglass]

If you read between the lines I cannot say that the 'Bird' folks are actually looking at Calvin as their top pick. Worth pointing out an interesting point (http://drf.com/news/article/103886.html):

Chip Woolley, Mine That Bird's trainer, said he would "have to see" if Borel would regain the mount. But [Calvin's agent, Jerry Hissam] would welcome the opportunity.

"If Woolley wants me, I would like to ride Mine That Bird if the filly doesn't run," Hissam said. "But I don't know how the dominoes will fall."

Borel has never ridden in the Belmont Stakes.

Remember that Street Sense after losing in the Preakness then skipped the Belmont.

Looks like Mine That Bird might get to go deluxe - with a flight to NY :D

Woolley said he likely would leave Churchill Downs for Belmont Park on June 1 or 2. He said he was leaning toward vanning to New York, but said there was a chance he could fly "because it's a little longer trip."

[Filly85']

You know, I want Talamo on him too. Talamo lost his good horse this year and that dude can freaking ride. He is on fire right now. I think he'd be a great fit for the horse, and he'd stick with him. Playing musical chairs with the KD Derby winner, who would have ever thought...

I want someone to commit to this little horse. He's awesome, and a great story. If Rachel doesn't go, I really feel like he'll win the Belmont.

Talamo may be committed to ride Summer Bird, but I'd jump off of him in a heart beat if I was offered a ride on Mine That Bird.

I'm sure Gomez would ride him, but Gomez may would stick with Pioneer later on in the year because of the connections.

It's funny that the best colt in the country can't keep a rider!

However, I do agree with Glimmerglass. There has to be something else going on behind the scenes with Mike Smith.

I say put Borel on the colt if he goes in the Belmont and Rachel sits it out since Talamo has already committed to Summer Bird, and then get Talamo as his regular rider after the Belmont!

[vineyridge]

Someone on Pedigree Query mentioned that John Sherriffs trains Zenyatta as well as as Madeo for the Mosses, and Mike Smith is her regular jockey.

Maybe Mike Smith wants to get a shot at RA while he's riding Zenyatta.

[Blinkers On]

Mike has first call for the Mosses and it is his bread and butter.
Chantal's paper's are in order. She can ride in the US and Canada. She didn't return to Canada because he papers had expired, the money is silly good and she is top notch there. It was a wise move on her part.
I am betting like others that every jock agent in their right mind is knocking down Chip's door.

[ivy62]

I would like to see Edgar Prado up. He knows Belmont and he won on Birdstone who has the same running style as his son....This is wild I never thought a jockey, not matter how talented would give up the chance to win a triple crown!
Has a horse ever won the Derby placed 2nd in the Preakness and won the Belmont before? His value would still be way high I would think. Too bad he is a gelding..Still think he would make an awesome eventer! could you imagine?
I also think Mike Smith wants to keep riding Zenyatta, and maybe against the boys....

[Glimmerglass]

Has a horse ever won the Derby placed 2nd in the Preakness and won the Belmont before? His value would still be way high I would think. Too bad he is a gelding.

There is the thread "Why was MTB gelded? (http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=4077842)" which cited the reasons and frankly had he not been gelded he never would've found the success at Woodbine which earned him the money to get into the Derby. Everything has a domino effect.

Four horses have been winners of the Kentucky Derby and Belmont but second in the Preakness:

Year - Horse
1931 Twenty Grand
1950 Middleground
1956 Needles
1963 Chateaugay

[Glimmerglass]

I'm likely reading too much into this but you can see Mike's remarks to the Associated Press here: 'Smith won't ride Mine That Bird in Belmont' May 18, 2009 (http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_12400144)

"It was something that was already done beforehand and it's not going to change," Smith told The Associated Press by phone on Monday. "They're my No. 1 and no one else. It would've been nice if the timing was different, but I have no regrets whatsoever."

What does that mean - "no regrets"? Clearly Mike isn't wish the Bird connections ill but he certainly doesn't come off as guy who is thinking "man, I'm losing a possible chance to win 2 legs of the Triple Crown" either.

Winning the $300k Grade 1 Whitingham at HP might be nice although all eyes, including 10 million plus viewers on ABC Sports, and a potential share of the total $1M purse win at Belmont does stack up higher then being in Cali. I know he's very loyal to Sherriffs and the Mosses so hopefully this will go a loooong way down the road with that partnership ;)

[MSP]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/50842/mine-that-bird-loses-another-rider

For the second race in a row, Mine That Bird’s connections must look for a different rider, as Mike Smith has decided to honor his commitment and ride Jerry and Ann Moss’ Madeo in the Charlie Whittingham Stakes (gr. IT) at Hollywood Park the same day as the Belmont Stakes (gr. I).

Smith’s defection and the uncertainty of Rachel Alexandra’s status for the third leg of the Triple Crown has left open the possibility that Calvin Borel may be reunited with Mine That Bird, making this year’s Triple Crown one of the most unusual in history. If Rachel does run, then Mine That Bird will have his third rider in as many races.

John Shirreffs, trainer of Madeo, said Smith had been scheduled to ride the horse in the Whittingham, but then came an alleged casual commitment from Smith’s agent Brad Pegram to ride Chocolate Candy in the Belmont Stakes prior to Smith getting the mount on Mine That Bird for the Preakness.

“Here is Mine That Bird, who won the Derby and was second in the Preakness, and probably is going to be the favorite in the Belmont. As a trainer you naturally assume the jockey is going to stay with your horse,” Shirreffs said.

“However, Mike is really loyal to our program, and he committed to Madeo before he rode Mine That Bird. He has never approached Jerry (Moss) and said he wanted to ride Mine That Bird. I’m sure Jerry wouldn’t make him stick to that call. Brad asked me if I’m still going to run Madeo in the Whittingham and I said ‘Yes.’ He said he’d better call Jerry (Hollendorfer, trainer of Chocolate Candy) and let him know.

“Then along came Mine That Bird, which put Mike in a very awkward position. The fact that Mike never asked to be released from his commitment on Madeo says a lot about his character.”

Smith explained on “At the Races with Steve Byk,” “They are my first call people, and they have done so much for my career. This is an important race (grade I) for Madeo, and I need to be there. I would never ask them to get out of my commitment.”

Bennie "Chip" Woolley told the Churchill Downs communications department the search is on for a replacement.

"It's kind of funny," Woolley said Monday. "You'd think if you get a horse this good, you'd keep one, but apparently not."

The trainer said he's heard from the agents of several riders who are interested in taking over the mount, but he hasn't made up his mind. Woolley indicated that he won't wait to see whether Rachel Alexandra goes on to the Belmont.

"We're going to make a decision pretty quickly," he said. "Patience is probably the No. 1 concern. Is somebody patient and will they wait and see how things develop? We'll just have to see how it goes."

Woolley seems sick of all the wait and see jockeys, bet we see someone new on board for the Belmont.

[danceronice]

I'm likely reading too much into this but you can see Mike's remarks to the Associated Press here: 'Smith won't ride Mine That Bird in Belmont' May 18, 2009 (http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_12400144)



What does that mean - "no regrets"? Clearly Mike isn't wish the Bird connections ill but he certainly doesn't come off as guy who is thinking "man, I'm losing a possible chance to win 2 legs of the Triple Crown" either.

Winning the $300k Grade 1 Whitingham at HP might be nice although all eyes, including 10 million plus viewers on ABC Sports, and a potential share of the total $1M purse win at Belmont does stack up higher then being in Cali.

Maybe for one day, but from what people here are saying that's his bread and butter connections--it's not one race, he's their go-to rider, so it's probably not a good idea to flake on them for what's a major race for that horse. Might be different if it were a matter of chosing between Chocolate Candy and MTB in the same race race but it sounds like he's the regular rider for all their horses. Which is a shame, but from a business perspective, it makes sense. Much like Calvin Borel jumping ship for his regular ride on RA.

Still wondering if anyone's put in a call to Chantal's agent...wouldn't it be a hoot if RA did go in the Belmont and the 'girl power' win went to MTB with a female jock?

[Gunnar]

i would love to see Chantal on MTB! :yes:

[ivy62]

I like Chantal too but MTB needs someone who knows this track. I still vote for Edgar!

[FatDinah]

ESPN.com reports that MTB's connections will wait until early next week to name a rider.

That could mean they will wait to see if Borel can commit.

Personally, I am in the Edgar Prado camp for MTB jockey No. 3.

One thing I wonder, after the Belmont where will MTB go? Do you think they will haul his cute little ass back to New Mexico or will he stay in the East?

[bort84]

ESPN.com reports that MTB's connections will wait until early next week to name a rider.

That could mean they will wait to see if Borel can commit.

Yep, I saw that too. And I read RA's next real workout is scheduled for early next week (Monday I think), when her people will have a better idea of whether she's ready for the Belmont or not... I suppose I hope they wait for Calvin. I'd like to see him on MTB again if RA is not in the Belmont. Makes for a good continuation of the story, shoot, this is Hollywood material, haha. So many great players!

[FatDinah]

I think I could ride MTB because he has such a big heart.

I did think, watching the Preakness, that Rachel Alexandra was probably relieved when Borel got on her. She probably thought, "Finally, someone I know," with having a new trainer and groom and owners around her.

[ravenclaw]

One thing I wonder, after the Belmont where will MTB go? Do you think they will haul his cute little ass back to New Mexico or will he stay in the East?
I read an article (can't remember where) about MTB and I'm pretty sure Chip Woolley said MTB would stay in the eastern part of the US because the races there suit him better. That made me wonder if Chip Woolley might move his stable? :confused:

If I can find the article, I'll post a link.

[War Admiral]

Via Twitter:

"I got an e-mail asking me if I would ride Mine That Bird in the Belmont. Should I open it? Is it spam?"

:lol::lol::lol:

[vineyridge]

This was posted on Pedigree Query:
Post subject: Ad on Craig's List. "Good Things Come in Small Packages --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
World Class Athelete seeks partner for thrills, chills, big bucks and maybe a good neck rub or two (I'll miss Mike). I'm cute (some people say adorable), fit and ran the fastest last quarter of the Kentucky Derby since You Know Who!

I know that somewhere, out there in the racing world, there's the right jockey for me. Could it be you?

Patience is a must. I start slow but once I get going--let me put it this way--you'll never forget the ride!

Experience at winning mile and a half grade one races preferred, but I'll accept the common sense to just get the hell out of my way and let me do my thing. Wusses need not apply--you point me there and baby, I'm going--even if it looks like we are about to be turned into a horse and jockey sandwich by a couple of 17 hand brontosauruses in blinkers.

Must absolutely love the idea of destroying the egos of horses that cost more than the national debt of some 3rd world countries with a horse that originally cost less than a used Toyota. Better yet, must love the idea of destroying the egos of the jokers who shelled out more than more than the national debt of some 3rd world countries for these losers with a horse that originally cost less than a used Toyota.

Long term relationship preferred but will accept a one race stand. If you can't be in New York, ready to go, on June 6, 2009 don't even bother to respond to this ad. Seriously, I'm starting to get a complex about this.

I'd love it if you'd be willing to relocate to New Mexico but I'm willing to accept a committed long distance relationship.

Please send picture and resume to my trainer, chipwooley@ridethebird.com. Or, you know what, that cowboy hasn't exactly done me much good in the long term relationship department. Contact me directly at mindthatbird@ridethebird.com.

Let's make history together.

As for a certain filly and that two-timing Cajun--I'll see you at Belmont--you, me, my new jockey and the Big Sandy.
_________________

[cloudyandcallie]

Cute post. (even though I love the filly)

I do wish Mind that Bird would get new owners and a different trainer. He's a good little horse, but his connections suck.

[danceronice]

ROTFLMAO.....

Aww, MTB, there's someone out there for you!

[War Admiral]

OMG, that's priceless!!! :lol:

[iloverocky]

I do wish Mind that Bird would get new owners and a different trainer. He's a good little horse, but his connections suck.

Why do his connections suck? The trainer seems like a straight shooter who knows what he's doing. The one owner did try to scheme before the Preakness, but what he wanted to do was legal and he wanted to keep his jockey; I can understand the impulse.

There are much suckier connections in the world of racing.

[jengersnap]

Must absolutely love the idea of destroying the egos of horses that cost more than the national debt of some 3rd world countries with a horse that originally cost less than a used Toyota. Better yet, must love the idea of destroying the egos of the jokers who shelled out more than more than the national debt of some 3rd world countries for these losers with a horse that originally cost less than a used Toyota.

Somebody owes me a new (laptop) keyboard. Milk is very difficult to mop up!

[AiryFairy]

Why do his connections suck? The trainer seems like a straight shooter who knows what he's doing. The one owner did try to scheme before the Preakness, but what he wanted to do was legal and he wanted to keep his jockey; I can understand the impulse.

There are much suckier connections in the world of racing.

Doesn't really matter if it was legal, it was unethical and dirty, and I loved his quote after he backed down because someone 'had a word' with him, and reminded him that 'greed and arrogance wasn't good'. Really? You had to be reminded of that? What a star.

[Beverley]

Doesn't really matter if it was legal, it was unethical and dirty, and I loved his quote after he backed down because someone 'had a word' with him, and reminded him that 'greed and arrogance wasn't good'. Really? You had to be reminded of that? What a star.

So...the dirty tricks over the decades by the 'eastern elite' were okay? Security guards for all the race horses have been a necessity since long before anybody from New Mexico arrived at Churchill Downs.:)

All's fair in love and war and racing.

In my opinion, their thoughtfulness in distributing that blanket of roses, which I guess nobody ever thought of before, still has them ahead in general on the class points.

[ravenclaw]

In my opinion, their thoughtfulness in distributing that blanket of roses, which I guess nobody ever thought of before, still has them ahead in general on the class points.
I agree. Way better than Big Brown's connections who left the blanket of roses on the ground. And when MTB arrived at Pimlico, Chip Woolley let people take pictures of MTB for 10-15 minutes before taking him to the barn.

I have no problem with Chip Woolley. In fact, I kinda like him. The one owner who was trying to keep Rachel Alexandra out of the Preakness might be shady and sleazy, but the other owner (older guy...I think he's a vet?) seems okay. I don't know if he was involved in the Rachel conspiracy or not.

[BabyGoose]

I agree. Way better than Big Brown's connections who left the blanket of roses on the ground. And when MTB arrived at Pimlico, Chip Woolley let people take pictures of MTB for 10-15 minutes before taking him to the barn.

I have no problem with Chip Woolley. In fact, I kinda like him. The one owner who was trying to keep Rachel Alexandra out of the Preakness might be shady and sleazy, but the other owner (older guy...I think he's a vet?) seems okay. I don't know if he was involved in the Rachel conspiracy or not.

Big Brown's connections just left the blanket of roses on the ground?!? May seem trivial but that kind of bugs me. I like Chip Woolley also. Not sure what to think of Mark Allen yet but the vet seems like a great guy. I am so glad they won the Derby and did so well in the Preakness. They worked hard to get there and have fought (and continue to fight) the doubt about them and their horse the whole way.

[Catsdorule-sigh]

AiryFairy
Doesn't really matter if it was legal, it was unethical and dirty, and I loved his quote after he backed down because someone 'had a word' with him, and reminded him that 'greed and arrogance wasn't good'. Really? You had to be reminded of that? What a star.

Didn't read that anywhere. I agree though, that until proven otherwise, it appears to have just been Allen involved. Sad if it was just him yet the others have to carry that incident too.

I'm wondering if the vet and the cowboy gave him a talking to out behind the barn? Wonder if the vet's statements that they'd like a rematch in the Belmont with RA have more to do with saying hey, the other two of us don't have the same attitude about RA?

[ravenclaw]

Big Brown's connections just left the blanket of roses on the ground?!? May seem trivial but that kind of bugs me.

You can read the whole article at http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24527223

Here is part of the article that talks about the blanket of roses:

The only thing that bothers Big Brown, it seems, are flowers. Much like 2006 Derby winner Barbaro, Big Brown got fussy after winning the Florida Derby, shuffling around when organizers tried to hand him the blanket of purple orchids given to the winner.

When it came time to take photos in the winner's circle following the Derby, Dutrow bucked tradition by throwing the blanket of roses at Nevin and Blum rather than lay it over Big Brown's neck.

Nevin and Blum dutifully held the flowers for a moment, then dropped the blanket on the ground to join the party, leaving the most hallowed floral arrangement in sports laying on the infield for a few hours before it was rescued by a state trooper.

[DLee]

Wow. Just Wow. :eek::( Never heard that about BB's crew before.

I thought it was great what MTB's people did and it really, really made me wish I had been at Churchill that day.

[Imaginagent]

The ad was funny but people need to spell the horse's name correct. It is not Mind That Bird, it is Mine That Bird!

[Lori B]

Thanks, vineyridge, that was a complete hoot. :-)

[BabyGoose]

You can read the whole article at http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24527223

Here is part of the article that talks about the blanket of roses:

That just makes me sad. Seems like the blanket would be more important to the owners. I would cherish something like that. Maybe if you win a few of the big ones that kind of stuff becomes less important to people. I keep and cherish every ribbon that I win at horse shows. Of course I don't show much so don't accumulate them. Oh well, I get sappy over weird stuff!

[Lori B]

Discarding the blanket of roses, even if for some reason the horse was not tolerant of it, showed a lack of regard for the sport and its traditions that is completely unseemly. It would be like a champion hockey team leaving the Stanley Cup in the locker room when they leave town because they think its ugly, and they don't need a cistern for their gatorade. Completely classless.

[War Admiral]

Wow. Just Wow. :eek::( Never heard that about BB's crew before.

I thought it was great what MTB's people did and it really, really made me wish I had been at Churchill that day.

I agree, and as for the whole keeping RA out thing, I doubt if I'm the only one who is quietly thinking that all's fair in love, war, and horse racing! Many a so-called "pillar of the sport" has done a lot worse over the last 100 years.

[rcloisonne]

I agree, and as for the whole keeping RA out thing, I doubt if I'm the only one who is quietly thinking that all's fair in love, war, and horse racing! Many a so-called "pillar of the sport" has done a lot worse over the last 100 years.
Agreed. And did anyone think that rather than poor sportsmanship or fear of RA, MTB's connections didn't want to lose their jockey? How many of you would have taken that in stride and not tried to think of a way out?

[RedMare01]

Discarding the blanket of roses, even if for some reason the horse was not tolerant of it, showed a lack of regard for the sport and its traditions that is completely unseemly. It would be like a champion hockey team leaving the Stanley Cup in the locker room when they leave town because they think its ugly, and they don't need a cistern for their gatorade. Completely classless.

Hear, Hear! So glad they didn't end up with RA!

Caitlin

[iloverocky]

Agreed. And did anyone think that rather than poor sportsmanship or fear of RA, MTB's connections didn't want to lose their jockey? How many of you would have taken that in stride and not tried to think of a way out?

When everything with that incident went down, I thought Allen was simply trying to keep his jockey. He didn't seem concerned about RA running and winning; he just sounded desperate to keep his jockey and bummed that his horse was getting no respect, and I felt sad for him-he just won the Derby and then had to read about his horse being a fluke and then lose the jockey; it all sucked and made me dislike Jess Jackson more, not Allen.

The only one involved in the incident who seemed scared to run against RA was Zayat.

[AiryFairy]

Didn't read that anywhere. I agree though, that until proven otherwise, it appears to have just been Allen involved. Sad if it was just him yet the others have to carry that incident too.

I'm wondering if the vet and the cowboy gave him a talking to out behind the barn? Wonder if the vet's statements that they'd like a rematch in the Belmont with RA have more to do with saying hey, the other two of us don't have the same attitude about RA?

Guess it was his father and co-owner that gave him a swift kick up the arse

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2009/05/11/2009-05-11_mine_that_bird_owner_mark_allen_wont_block_rach el_alexandras_preakness_bid.html

"My decision to enter Indy Express in the Preakness was strictly business but after consulting with my dad (Bill) and (co-owner Larry) Doc Blach, I have decided to withdraw Indy Express to prevent any further misunderstandings," Allen said in a statement last night. "Their advice to me was just to do what's right, because arrogance and greed isn't right."

[AiryFairy]

When everything with that incident went down, I thought Allen was simply trying to keep his jockey. He didn't seem concerned about RA running and winning; he just sounded desperate to keep his jockey and bummed that his horse was getting no respect, and I felt sad for him-he just won the Derby and then had to read about his horse being a fluke and then lose the jockey; it all sucked and made me dislike Jess Jackson more, not Allen.

The only one involved in the incident who seemed scared to run against RA was Zayat.

It's been said in several places that Calvin was contractually obligated to ride RA wherever she raced this year, so why are people making it sound like he just jumped ship because she was a better ride? Conspiring to keep Calvin's mount out of the race just so he could get the jockey back seems like a lot of bad juju to me.

[ivy62]

the contract was not with JJ unless it was part of the purchase.....It is just not normal for a KD winner to lose his jockey not only once but twice

[findeight]

It's been said in several places that Calvin was contractually obligated to ride RA wherever she raced this year, so why are people making it sound like he just jumped ship because she was a better ride? Conspiring to keep Calvin's mount out of the race just so he could get the jockey back seems like a lot of bad juju to me.

NO. RA was SOLD to different owners 3 weeks ago. Any obligation to CB was with people who no longer own, manage or train her. Whatever else is inferred or actually going on here (and admit I am not paying much attention), new ownership has no obligation to anybody previously associated with the filly. Assmusson has not used CB much at all in the past and was generous to keep him on her after the purchase (or he couldn't get anybody else he cared to use).

And what the hell is wrong with jumping to what WAS the better ride in that particular race. CB has made no secret he feels she is the best he has been aboard. Jockeys are professionals who ride races, They do not usually hang around the horses they ride and become pals. CB had been aboard MTB TWICE before the Derby and, IIRC, never in a race. He was RAs regular rider under former ownership.

This whole issue is nuts. But RAs connections really need to put up or shut up here and make their intentions known so the rider issue and related nonsense can be put to bed.

[Lori T]

As of tonight (according to Calvin's father-in-law to be, Mike, who is helping manage the sudden influx of attention on Calvin..you wouldn't believe the companies contacting him for endorsements)..there is still no decision made regarding running RA in the Belmont. This is extremely frustrating to all involved. MTB's owners have very generously allowed Calvin another week to make the decision. Obviously they want Calvin, but RA's owner is really making this difficult for everyone.
And, Calvin will be on Letterman, Friday June 5!

[J. Turner]

Chip Woolley seems to be very gracious about Calvin's putting off his decision on who to ride:

"Mine That Bird's trainer, Chip Woolley, who said he was happy with the gelding's move, told reporters he was extending the deadline for Borel to decide which horse he'll ride in the Belmont.

"He won me a Derby, he deserves the time it takes for him to make the conscious, right decision," said Woolley, who originally had set a Memorial Day deadline for Borel. "And nobody knows really if that filly's going to be running in the Belmont, so it could work out where that's not even a decision for him. I think a little bit of time's not too much to ask."

- NYRA: copied from Alex Brown Racing

[Indy]

According to this article
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-ap-rac-belmont-rachel-alexandra,0,873169.story
Robby Albarado will probably ride RA if Calvin were to choose MTB over her for the Belmont.

[vineyridge]

Jess Jackson loves the spotlight, so as long as he can delay naming RA or not for the Belmont, you can bet he will. At least that's how I see it.

Of course, she was supposed to have a work yesterday. Anyone have any info on whether that came off as planned?

[War Admiral]

Agree, Viney. She did work yesterday but I can't remember details, sorry - I'm sure the Blood Horse has 'em.

[Filly85']

I'm shaking my head at some of you all.

It's not Jess Jackson's fault. This filly is so valuable that they want to make the right decision with her. They want her sound for next year, but they also want to try to give the fans what they want as well, and the fans want the filly to run in the Belmont. I don't blame him at all for playing it day by day. THAT IS HORSE RACING! Everything is really a day by day basis because something can go wrong in a split second. He doesn't want to say that the filly is running and then have to take it back at a later date because she isn't ready. That would just give some of you all and other fans an excuse to hate him even more than you already do;) He's trying to do the right thing by the horse and for the sport. RA isn't just some horse. She may be the best filly ever and she is being treated accordingly.

Gosh, just sit back and enjoy the ride. Y'all would hate me too because I would do the same thing if I were in Jackson's position with this horse. Just because he buys the best racehorses doesn't mean that he loves the spotlight. And what is wrong if he does love the spotlight? So, who cares? If I had his money, I would be buying the best race horses too and would be loving the spotlight!!!! Who wouldn't? Would you all rather her previous owners never ran her against the boys? Then, you would have never seen her beat the boys. There would never be a Zenyatta vs. Rachel battle. There would be no comparisons to the greatest of all time. Now, that's the collision course. Something good comes along, and you all are so quick to throw it under the bus.

Maybe Jess Jackson should take the conservative route with Rachel like the Moss's are doing with Zenyatta. Zenyatta is taking the conservative path this year. It is not likely that she will run against the boys. Maybe Rachel should stop running against the boys and do what Zenyatta is doing: Not travel and race in restricted company. Maybe that's something that everyone wants to see (rolls eyes). I say that Zenyatta better watch out. Rachel's connections are sporting and will be gunning to dethrone her. I believe that Jackson will go after Zenyatta with Rachel. Zenyatta isn't traveling out of California this year. So, Rachel will have a lot more to overcome because she will have to take Zenyatta on out in Cali on the synthetic.

I would be shocked if Calvin didn't ride the filly in the Belmont if she goes. Otherwise, he would have already committed to Mine That Bird.

Mine That Bird's trainer should just be looking for another jockey. I would be if I were him. He can't depend on Calvin. The filly and Mine That Bird are going to clash all year long. And that's how it should be.

I wouldn't really care about what you all said or think about Jess Jackson, but some of you all really think ass backwards. He is good for this sport. And anything that is good for this sport, I will defend because there are so many bad things going on.

[Lori T]

According to this article
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-ap-rac-belmont-rachel-alexandra,0,873169.story
Robby Albarado will probably ride RA if Calvin were to choose MTB over her for the Belmont.

Calvin will not give up RA.

[ravenclaw]

the fans want the filly to run in the Belmont.
I don't. I think she's done enough for now, with her incredible performances in the Kentucky Oaks and the Preakness. If it was my decision, I would give her some time off and bring her back late summer/early fall. There are plenty of big races then. Jess Jackson said his goal is for Rachel to be Horse of the Year. Okay, she's probably on track for that. Why run her in the Belmont when there are other races later in the year that matter more?

On another note, I think Chip Woolley is being very classy and gracious about the whole jockey thing. He seems like a good guy. :yes:

[FatDinah]

According to reports, her work Monday was uninspired. But the track was heavy or something so the trainer said he could not gauge her condition/readiness accurately. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

As far as jockey conflict, hey, again that's racing. Note that Garrett Gomez gave up Dunkirk for Pioneer of the Nile and now Dunkirk has gone to John Velasquez for the Belmont.

I think some people are confusing how they feel about riding a horse to how being a jockey works.

Sometimes it's like being the actor in a smash Broadway play and having to watch someone else play the part in a movie, it's business.

[Pat Ness]

Rachel Alexandra did her work on a "sealed" track.

Any insight to help me understand why trainers would breeze when the track is in this condition would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Pat Ness

[iloverocky]

According to reports, her work Monday was uninspired. But the track was heavy or something so the trainer said he could not gauge her condition/readiness accurately. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.


Where did you see the 'uninspired' reports? I haven't found any meaningful commentary on how she looked and moved in the work, and no one on any of the boards that I frequent has written an 'eyewitness' account.

It is difficult to gauge how well she is doing based on the workout time since it is much slower than her norm, but SA loves SLOW works. Also, she hasn't been hampered by an off track in her races, so the whole Monday work is very difficult to read.

[FatDinah]

Here is the ESPN.com article

Rachel Alexandra worked half a mile in 50 seconds and galloped out a fifth furlong in 1 minute, 4 seconds, an unspectacular time on a sloppy track for the star filly, who won the Kentucky Oaks by 20 1/4 lengths on May 1 before beating Kentucky Derby winner Mine That Bird by a length in the Preakness.

Jackson said they'll wait another week or so to make a firm decision for the June 6 race.

"She's not in top shape right now," Jackson said. "She struggled in the Preakness; it was a hard race. She was tired after the race."

Trainer Steve Asmussen said Rachel Alexandra was "comfortable, happy, and agreeable, and it looked like nothing more than an extended gallop," but he advised Jackson to wait on a decision because of the rain and track conditions.

"It was exactly what I had hoped to see, she was sound, relaxed and happy during and after," Asmussen said. "Although the rain interfered with it a little bit."

[iloverocky]

Jess Jackson loves the spotlight, so as long as he can delay naming RA or not for the Belmont, you can bet he will. At least that's how I see it.

Of course, she was supposed to have a work yesterday. Anyone have any info on whether that came off as planned?

I totally agree about JJ loving the spotlight; I also think that he wants Borel off the horse, as Borel is popular and taking up some of that spotlight. I wouldn't put it past JJ to hold out until the absolute last minute in the hopes of getting Borel to commit to MTB, so he can give the mount to another jockey and not look like a bad guy.

Nothing against Borel, but I wish MTB's connections would choose a totally different jockey who isn't already committed to a big name horse because MTB deserves to be first choice horse for a jock and to keep the same jock for more than just one race.

[RedMare01]

They interviewed SA on the local channels here following the work, and he said pretty much what the espn article said, but he definitely wasn't very enthusiastic when he said it.

Personally, I wish they would let RA sit this one out and give her a little more time. She's done enough for now.

Caitlin

[iloverocky]

Thanks Dinah, I hadn't read that article; other articles included more upbeat quotes from Jackson.

[FatDinah]

Here's a link to a Pat Forde column on espn.com that has more details about this "Day of Indecision" as he termed it:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/triplecrown09/columns/story?id=4204550

[VirginiaBred]

I don't. I think she's done enough for now, with her incredible performances in the Kentucky Oaks and the Preakness. If it was my decision, I would give her some time off and bring her back late summer/early fall. There are plenty of big races then. Jess Jackson said his goal is for Rachel to be Horse of the Year. Okay, she's probably on track for that. Why run her in the Belmont when there are other races later in the year that matter more?


Oh me too. I hope they keep her OUT of the Belmont.

[War Admiral]

Thirded!!

[vineyridge]

Here's an interesting factoid from the ESPN story. RA worked a half mile in 50 seconds under who knows what rider. Then MTB worked a half mile under Borel in 51 seconds.

Don't know why that struck me as interesting, but it did.

[cribglas]

I have never seen an explination of why Mine That Bird was gelded and when. Does any one know?

[caffeinated]

I have never seen an explination of why Mine That Bird was gelded and when. Does any one know?

http://chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=203041

[Calamber]

Viney, these workout times are completely useless in between races in a relatively short time frame. They are not going to try and give a fit horse who has been raced hard a sharpener workout, all they will do is give them a bit of a "pipe cleaner". Wolley clearly knows this horse well and has been doing a super job. I don't think you can infer anything about this at all. Track was supposedly sloppy if I remember correctly. Maybe you were interested that Calvin Borel is riding him in a workout? If it were my horse I would be very hesitant to give him another shot at history with a horse that he abandoned as he did. MTB's connections are more forgiving than I am or maybe they just want to win.:winkgrin:

[vineyridge]

Viney, these workout time are completely useless in between races in a relatively short time frame. They are not going to try and give a fit horse who has been raced hard a sharpener workout, all they will do is give them a bit of a "pipe cleaner". Wolley clearly knows this horse well and has been doing a super job. I don't think you can infer anything about this at all. Track was supposedly sloppy if I remember correctly. Maybe you were interested that Calvin Borel is riding him in a workout? If it were my horse I would be very hesitant to give him another shot at history with a horse that he abandoned as he did. MTB's connections are more forgiving than I am or maybe they just want to win.:winkgrin:

Calamber, the reports on RA's work, which ended up being 5f at 64 seconds, was that it was uninspiring and loggy. I was wondering why that was said about her and not about MTB. Why is she supposed to be more done in than he? Was it the last furlong?

[Lori T]

Ah, man..I have been sworn to secrecy, but I have to keep quiet.........

[Catsdorule-sigh]

Apologies if this has been posted before. Here is Chip Wooley in an interview. Liked that he gallops Mine That Bird two miles instead of jogging- something you'd think you'd want a race horse to do. And his viewpoint on why they hauled MTB to Kentucky makes sense once you hear him explain it. In order to fly, they had to haul half of the distance already.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/50962/talkin-horses-podcast-with-chip-woolley

[ravenclaw]

Ah, man..I have been sworn to secrecy, but I have to keep quiet.........
Oh, that is not nice or fair. Can you do a PM? :winkgrin:

[blue&blond]

Ah, man..I have been sworn to secrecy, but I have to keep quiet.........

Haha! Now we all want to know what it is.

Ok then, if you can't say can you tell us WHEN the rest of us will know?

[Calamber]

Viney, would likely have to do with the way she moved over the track, nothing special and really also probably does not mean much, they are just trying to keep them from being too tired at this point and overusing while at the same time trying to maintain fitness. Pretty tight rope they walk. Probably MTB was not mentioned since the reporters tend to like to over analyze these things, Mr. Moneybags has still not allowed anyone to know whether RA is actually going to run or not (I have not checked the latest and greatest from Mr. MB but that was the last I heard), so that would likely be more interesting to those who want/need to know.

[Pirateer]

Ah, man..I have been sworn to secrecy, but I have to keep quiet.........

that's just cruel :winkgrin:

[LaurieB]

I have never seen an explination of why Mine That Bird was gelded and when. Does any one know?


It was explained in an article in TB Times after he won the Derby. Apparently the man who bought him as a yearling and raced him in Canada gelds all his colts before he races them and no one saw anything in Mine That Bird that made them think they should do anything differently, so he was gelded before he went into training.

[cloudyandcallie]

Ah, man..I have been sworn to secrecy, but I have to keep quiet.........

She won't tell me! meanie! Lori T knows. Get the torture devices!

[Lori T]

All I can say is Calvin has made the right decision.
I think it will be announced Monday.
God, I hate keeping secrets!

[ivy62]

Oh this is not fair! The right decision....Is RA running or not? that is the real question...because if she is I would think he would ride her and MTB is riderless...Why are they taking so long to anounce it?

[pinkdiamondracing]

All I can say is Calvin has made the right decision.
I think it will be announced Monday.
God, I hate keeping secrets!

LoriT--- you are EVIL!!!!!! So not fair!!!!:o:o:o

[J. Turner]

All I can say is Calvin has made the right decision.
I think it will be announced Monday.
God, I hate keeping secrets!

Ah, yes, but what is "right"? "Right" could be seen as a relative, subjective term. Right for whom? Calvin, the fans, the media, Mr. Jackson, MTB, RA? I would hate to see him lose the ride off of RA.

[ivy62]

TB times said that if RA runs in the Belmont Calvin would be her jock. They also said that he has been offered her ride through the end of the year I believe...I would really like to see him on MTB becuase he understands this little guy and they both have guts...So we will wait again to find out...

[findeight]

TB times said that if RA runs in the Belmont Calvin would be her jock. They also said that he has been offered her ride through the end of the year I believe...I would really like to see him on MTB becuase he understands this little guy and they both have guts...So we will wait again to find out...

Well, they both have guts but CB is a professional rider who "understands" most of what he gets on in the afternoons.

IIRC, he had only been aboard MTB twice before the Derby and has not been on him since. Let's not create something that's not really there.

If CB has been offered the ride on RA for the rest of the year (including Breeders Cup) as speculated, it would be a logical choice.

Whatever the owners and trainers decide and CB decides, it's a Professional choice based on things other then just liking the horse, as he probably does all he wins big on. More about job security and the relationship between owner, trainer agent and jockey. And Money because that is what a jockey rides for.

[FatDinah]

Check out espn.com. Wooley says he will wait as long as possible to name a rider because he would like Borel.


And here is some interesting plans for Mine (as Wooley calls him)

Woolley said he made no equipment changes with Mine That Bird between his two races earlier this year at Sunland Park and the Derby. "The exact same: D-bit and a tongue tie," Woolley said. "He's compliant to what you want out of him. The main thing is just to ride him with patience."

Mine That Bird is currently training at Churchill Downs. He returned there from Pimlico following the Preakness. Woolley said he went back to Kentucky, rather than straight to Belmont Park, because of the way Mine That Bird trained at Churchill Downs prior to the Derby.

"He got a little rattled at Pimlico. I knew he had trained well here," Woolley said from Kentucky. "The horse is doing super. Today he looked as good as he has since he's been here."

Mine That Bird is scheduled to work on Monday morning at Churchill Downs - so is Rachel Alexandra - and then fly to New York on Wednesday.

Woolley has already started looking to the second half of the year. He said Mine That Bird will get "at least two months between the Belmont and his next start."

"There will only be three more races the entire year for the horse" after the Belmont, Woolley said. He said the first two starts were to be determined, but the year-end goal was the Breeders' Cup Classic, to be held Nov. 7 at Santa Anita's Oak Tree meeting.

[bort84]

IIRC, he had only been aboard MTB twice before the Derby and has not been on him since. Let's not create something that's not really there.

Pretty sure he's worked him at least once or twice since the Derby, so that's another ride or two to check off = ) Haha, I understand what you mean though. Borel did a lovely job with him in the Derby, but he is a pro and that's his job. Smith did a nice job on him in the Preakness, though some have questioned that ride a bit - to be expected since he came in a close second.

I would like to see Calvin on MTB if RA doesn't run in the Belmont. I don't understand why people have been so vicious about him riding RA instead of MTB... He's a pro, he picked the horse that he had a longer relationship with and the horse he thought was the best - the best of his career, he's said.

If Woolley likes the way Calvin rides MTB, there's no reason for him to "cut off his nose to spite his face" by not at least waiting to see if Calvin will be available. Most likely, any other jockey they'd get would have never ridden the horse, period. Sure, Calvin only raced him once, but that's once more than any other jockey they're likely to choose at this point.

I don't know jack about racing though, just a casual spectator. So what do I know = )

[Catsdorule-sigh]

You've got a come from behind horse in Mine That Bird. You're likely to have traffic problems just when you want him to roll, especially now that the other jockey's have got a handle on how he runs- as happened in the Preakness.

There is a jockey who will ride through the eye of a needle if he has too, and has already won with your horse.

I think Wooley believes his best bet is with Calvin, if he's available.

I think Calvin's riding style can be beat but then, he didn't hug the rail with RA in the Preakness.

On another note, Wooley seems to think this horse can run all day but he's got one sprint in him. So if he takes back in his races and waits, but the other horses are not increasing the gap, in other words, MTB is in back but the pack is not exactly running away from where he is, then isn't he running about as fast as the others through the race, he just got rolling with the pace from the gate a little later? If the pack isn't running away from him and he maintains the distance between, how is that different from running in the pack? Probably a stupid question :confused: I know he's then got to gear up to get around everybody, but hasn't he essentially run at about the same rate of speed as everybody else throughout the race?

[ivy62]

Rachel Alexandra will not run in the Belmont!!! So is Calvin Up? I hope these horses meet again at a later date and then we will see another great race!

[Lori T]

Rachel Alexandra will not run in the Belmont!!! So is Calvin Up? I hope these horses meet again at a later date and then we will see another great race!

Yes, Calvin is on MTB.

[ivy62]

Can Calvin split himself in two? I hope they all have a safe trip, that is my biggest worry these days....Hope they keep us posted to when RA runs again....GO MTB!

[J. Turner]

Well, they both have guts but CB is a professional rider who "understands" most of what he gets on in the afternoons.

IIRC, he had only been aboard MTB twice before the Derby and has not been on him since. Let's not create something that's not really there.

If CB has been offered the ride on RA for the rest of the year (including Breeders Cup) as speculated, it would be a logical choice.

Whatever the owners and trainers decide and CB decides, it's a Professional choice based on things other then just liking the horse, as he probably does all he wins big on. More about job security and the relationship between owner, trainer agent and jockey. And Money because that is what a jockey rides for.

I think Calvin has breezed him twice since the Preakness and may have worked him in between the Derby and the Belmont.