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Parker_Rider
May. 10, 2009, 03:16 PM
So today I'm at the ring, on my horse, learning my course for my medal class, and I smell smoke. First thought: shit where's the fire?! but it's raining! And then I turn around and it hits me: someone is smoking a cigarette. And this person is mounted, and about to go in the ring to show.

Ok, really, I don't care if you smoke. I really don't (because I've been known to on a few occasions; don't tell my mom...). But really? On your horse?! You are REALLY going to subject your horse, my horse and everyone else's horses to that at the in-gate? Do you smoke in your shedrow too, around all those shavings and all that hay? Not to even mention that CO has had one of the driest winters we've ever had and despite the shitty weather the past few weekends, it's still dry here!!

Ugghhhh take your habit somewhere other than the barn, and off your horse!!!!!

Sorry. That's my rant for today. I really couldn't give 2 shits about my own health, but my horses' lungs/health/well being is paramount. (ETA: And yes, I did walk away. I'd learn my course later!)

tikihorse2
May. 10, 2009, 03:34 PM
Huh. The barn I was at previously, the owner smoked in the barn!!! :eek: No kidding, I have vivid memories of the horse I was having vetted (and didn't buy) trying to grab the Marlboro Menthol package through the feed chute.

I feel your pain... :mad:

Kim

IsolaBella09
May. 10, 2009, 03:41 PM
Feel your pain. Barn I used to ride at, had a guy that would come out of the barn bathroom smoking. Good times...:rolleyes::winkgrin:

Hunter Mom
May. 10, 2009, 04:41 PM
It amazes me how many people in the horse world smoke. I am a non-smoker, and can't stand the smell. Whenever I see someone at a show smoking, I always wonder how good their insurance is if they catch the whole barn on fire.

superpony123
May. 10, 2009, 04:50 PM
Drives me nuts too! i don't smoke, and if you smoke i'm not going to hate you, i have friends that smoke--but please, don't smoke in a freaking BARN or ON A HORSE!! I have to wonder sometimes, when I see a trainer or owner of a barn walking around a dry place, all the shavings, hay, cobwebs and solid wood of a barn, smoking a cigarette, I think to myself: wow, they must have some pretty great insurance/great lawyer (if it's someone else's barn, like at a show) !

norcalammie
May. 10, 2009, 05:34 PM
And what does the person on the horse do when entering the ring? I am sure the butt is just dropped on the ground probably still burning!

TBjumper103
May. 10, 2009, 05:40 PM
I just wait for the moment when the ash falls on the horses neck...... that will fix their problem from smoking ON the horse.

otwist123
May. 10, 2009, 05:55 PM
That drives me crazy!! There is one lady at my barn who will smoke sitting on her horse or holding her horse! Whatever she can do what she wants, I just walk away, but it bothers me that people who smoke in a group of people just assume it won't affect them. A few years ago I was at a big indoor show, and there were people smoking in our barn! This is a huge building with millions of dollars of horses and tack in it. We found the security and they talked to them, we didn't want our horses dying in a fire. With all the hay and shavings in there the place would of burnt fast..

jaslyn1701
May. 10, 2009, 06:00 PM
I very seriously threatened to hose a trainer (not mine) in the barn with a lit cigarette one time at a show. Was stopped just in the nick of time - well for the trainer anyway. I do smoke - outside the barn, away from the horses, etc. That's just plain ole common sense.

Penthilisea
May. 10, 2009, 06:10 PM
I know a barn owner who smokes. Only in the barn doorways, but in his cars, house, on tractors etc. It's HIS farm. No one else is allowed to do this. But ON a horse? At a SHOW? Talk about show nerves? Haha.

Basically, ew gross, unsafe, major fail.

rothmpp
May. 10, 2009, 06:17 PM
I once boarded at a barn where the owner smoked. Everywhere. In the barn, on her horses, in the hay storage stalls, just everywhere. While I respect her right to do what she wants on her property, I don't respect her right to do something so blantently careless with my horse in the barn.

I left very quickly. I was willing to sacrifice the convenience of the close location over the safety of my horse.

Quin
May. 10, 2009, 06:38 PM
My trainer's barn is not a high dollar facility. There is not a big staff on hand to keep the place spotless. In addition to boarders, there is a public lesson program, so you get a good number of beginners with totally non-horsey families.

And NO ONE smokes at the barn.

When DD was just a beginner, the assistant trainer did smoke (former student of Trainer Lady who aged out and turned pro). Trainer Lady was OK with her smoking - in her car, with the windows up. Even in summertime. Only place it was allowed. Them were the rules, and I never saw a violation. I can't imagine what Trainer Lady would do with a client who was smoking on. their. horse. But I suspect they'd turn into an ex-client in a hurry, bad economy or no bad economy.

Wizard of Oz's
May. 10, 2009, 06:42 PM
At my old barn the owner and her daughter both smoked everywhere in the barn, and the daughter did on her horses all the time, on her super expensive horses. They also let all of the boarders smoke wherever they wanted. I'm glad my horse is out of there.

lcw579
May. 10, 2009, 07:17 PM
I'm just thinking none of you were around in the '70's.....

snarkey
May. 10, 2009, 08:04 PM
This is so crazy....of all the things that go on with horses and the way they are treated you are complaining about smoke at the in-gate? How about oven cleaner under boots and the endless circles. The trainers who lie and steal? If that is all it takes for you not to be able to focus on your course I hope you are in my division, Ill light one just for you on your outside line, will you miss? You need to grow up. Smoking in the barn of course not, but get a grip!!!

pds
May. 10, 2009, 08:37 PM
I could care less if someone smokes as long as it is not around me. They have a right to smoke but they don't have the right to stand next to me and pollute the air I'm breathing.

Smoking in the barn? Better not and I don't care who you are I will walk right up to you, pluck the death stick from your mouth, extinguish it and proceed to give you a verbal beating that you will never forget.

I know it is not right, but I veiw smokers as having less common sense and poorer judgement versus non smokers.

YankeeTurnedHillbilly
May. 10, 2009, 08:54 PM
I smoked for a long time, especially right out of college at my first couple of horse jobs. I never smoked in the barn, always out in the driveway, or in my car. But it wasn't unusual for me to smoke at the ingate of a show watching a student jump around, etc. Never on horseback.

I now lease a farm, and have a strict no smoking policy on the entire property. I once had a perspective boarder tell me they would not move in because I wouldn't allow her to smoke on the property. I thought that was absurd - but I am glad she didn't move in, as I am sure it would have become a boundary she would have tested at some point - and it wouldn't have ended well!

Baby
May. 10, 2009, 08:56 PM
lol at all the Quebec horse shows i went to last year, most people would be warming up their horses either talking on their cells or with a cig hanging out their mouths.
really attractive

myvanya
May. 10, 2009, 09:00 PM
Given your location I think I know exactly who you're talking about. I saw her smoking at the show last weekend too, while she was leading her horse. It drives me insane. I don't mind if people smoke but when they smoke around other people and around their horse and in a high fire danger area- that I mind.

Seven-up
May. 10, 2009, 09:02 PM
Feel your pain. Barn I used to ride at, had a guy that would come out of the barn bathroom smoking. Good times...:rolleyes::winkgrin:


Maybe he was being considerate. :winkgrin: I used to have an office job where my desk was next to the bathroom. Boss used to come in from his 90 min. drive where he drank coffee the whole way and make a beeline for the bathroom. Then he'd come out and leave the door open. Sweet Jeebus on a cracker, I wish he would have been smoking! So I'd have to get up, shut the door, and then go outside to take my smoke break just to settle my stomach.

Trust me, there are things more hazardous to your health than smoke.:dead::lol:

dghunter
May. 10, 2009, 09:10 PM
Our BO and her daughter both smoke (as do some of the boarders). They have their little smoking section at the front of the barn. It's the farthest point from the hay and pretty far from most of the stalls. And for the most part the sliding door is always open. I hate smokers but it's their barn so their prerogative I guess. My trainer used to smoke while giving me a lesson but I've never seen anyone smoking on a horse.

springer
May. 10, 2009, 09:19 PM
lol at all the Quebec horse shows i went to last year, most people would be warming up their horses either talking on their cells or with a cig hanging out their mouths.
really attractive

Oooooooh, I wanna be cool like that too!!!!!

gillisdog
May. 10, 2009, 09:37 PM
I know a rider who has one of those soft ashtrays with a cushion below and a small metal dish where you stub you cigarettes and she has attached it in front of the pommel of her saddle to the d-ings. Not kidding. She can't ride longer than 15 minutes without a smoke. She had a heart attack in her 50's. She still smokes. Not around me , though. I reserve the right to shun people who smoke on horseback or anywhere in my vicinity. I hate to think how much I absorbed in restauants and bars all the years it was legal to poison people around you.

hoops04
May. 10, 2009, 10:09 PM
i was at a show the other week, and not only was the trainer riding and smoking at the ingate, he was also coaching his pupils while riding and smoking! i was almost impressed with how well he multi tasked.... not to mention his students where chomping gum...... the whole time! even in the ring

Show_hunters
May. 10, 2009, 10:11 PM
This is so crazy....of all the things that go on with horses and the way they are treated you are complaining about smoke at the in-gate? How about oven cleaner under boots and the endless circles. The trainers who lie and steal? If that is all it takes for you not to be able to focus on your course I hope you are in my division, Ill light one just for you on your outside line, will you miss? You need to grow up. Smoking in the barn of course not, but get a grip!!!

LOL, I AGREE. Smoking in the barn, no but... Smoking at the in-gate or in general should not push you over the edge. If this does then why did you either A. not move away or B. ask he/she to move away from you and your horse?

Show_hunters
May. 10, 2009, 10:15 PM
I could care less if someone smokes as long as it is not around me. They have a right to smoke but they don't have the right to stand next to me and pollute the air I'm breathing.

Smoking in the barn? Better not and I don't care who you are I will walk right up to you, pluck the death stick from your mouth, extinguish it and proceed to give you a verbal beating that you will never forget.

I know it is not right, but I veiw smokers as having less common sense and poorer judgement versus non smokers.

Wow,now that's rude and you are acting like 5 year old. Good job.

mvp
May. 10, 2009, 10:16 PM
Better or worse-- smoking on horseback or riding with your iPod? In the schooling ring. That behavior is not only tolerated (and dangerous to man and beast) but so expected that Show Circuit published a cute article "So what's playing on your iPod?"

I think that's far more dangerous and rude than smoking near others. I think your 1,000# animal will survive the level of nicotine he may inhale while standing near one smoker outside on one day. Don't you agree?

pds
May. 10, 2009, 10:23 PM
Wow,now that's rude and you are acting like 5 year old. Good job.


Rude?

Rude is blowing smoke in my breathing space.

Rude is smoking in the barn endangering the life of horses and maybe even people.

Rude is your comment about acting a like a 5yr old.

Maybe you need to go have a smoke.:lol:

Show_hunters
May. 10, 2009, 10:47 PM
Rude?

Rude is blowing smoke in my breathing space.

Rude is smoking in the barn endangering the life of horses and maybe even people.

Rude is your comment about acting a like a 5yr old.

Maybe you need to go have a smoke.:lol:

First of all re-read my post again. What did I say? Smoking in the barn is a no. ;) * Silly kids, never stop & read. But seems to have all systems on go*:sigh:

You are still acting like 5 year old & are acting like a brat just because someone didn't agree with you. :p

Maybe you are closet smoker? LOL

Seven-up
May. 10, 2009, 10:58 PM
Why do some people feel the need to get so downright ugly and personal about those who choose to smoke? Hate the smoking, don't hate the person.

Talk about a nasty habit...and I'm not talking about the smoking.


Many of us smokers try to be considerate and walk away so we don't bother others. Are you as rude about us when we walk away? Makes me wonder why I bother to think about others' comfort.

WW_Queen
May. 10, 2009, 11:09 PM
I don't have a problem with it. I don't smoke, but a bronco rider (only other person who could stay on my 6 yo for longer than 5-6 minutes) from the track who was also a cowboy used to smoke while riding my horse out on hacks. It was not he was ashing in his mane! :lol:

My horse is in no danger from cigarette smoke, and while out in the open air (I have some respiratory problems that require an inhaler at times) if I don't like someone smoking in a public space, I simply move away from them. It's not a big deal. Horse shows are public spaces, you get barking dogs, screaming kids, people yapping loudly on their cell phones and smoking. That's life.

klmck63
May. 10, 2009, 11:22 PM
Rude?

Rude is blowing smoke in my breathing space.

Rude is smoking in the barn endangering the life of horses and maybe even people.

Rude is your comment about acting a like a 5yr old.

Maybe you need to go have a smoke.:lol:

I agree :) I don't care if you smoke, it's up to you, but please do it in a manner that doesn't force anyone else to deal with it.

pds
May. 10, 2009, 11:32 PM
First of all re-read my post again. What did I say? Smoking in the barn is a no. ;) * Silly kids, never stop & read. But seems to have all systems on go*:sigh:

You are still acting like 5 year old & are acting like a brat just because someone didn't agree with you. :p

Maybe you are closet smoker?

Well, I'm a 5 year old with clean lungs and prospects for a long life. :D

And actually I did read your first post however this was your post directed to me and to which I was responding.

Originally Posted by Show_hunters http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=4084522#post4084522)
Wow,now that's rude and you are acting like 5 year old. Good job.

seeuatx
May. 10, 2009, 11:35 PM
I win on inconsiderate people with cigs in the hand.

I work in a casino...and this is only HR because it is attached to a standardbred racetrack ;).

Guy walks up with change in his hand... I try to get him to place it on the counter so it can be seen by the cameras (and I am skeeved by touching strange peoples hands anyhow.) Guy will not be thwarted so I finally put my hand out for the change and SURPRISE! Along with a grand total of a dollar in nickles, dude has a LIT cigarette in his hand. So nice of him to burn me.

mep0726
May. 10, 2009, 11:57 PM
My BO smokes, as well as the BM and my trainer. However, they only smoke at the front of the barn, which is the furthest place away from the shavings and the stalls (we don't keep hay in the barn). The BO has even put an ashtray-type thing at the front for people to put their butts in.

Do I have problem with people smoking around me? Not unless it is blowing in my face. I make that pretty well known to everyone around me, and we all try to position ourselves so that myself and the others who don't want to secondhand smoke are upwind. I'm of the opinion that if you want to smoke, then you have the right to do so; however, don't cause everyone around you to have to inhale the secondhand smoke.

Dinah-do
May. 11, 2009, 12:01 AM
In the 60 and 70s at least 80% of people at horse shows smoked. Trainers, riders, judges ring crew and so on. And they smoked up a storm like a pack or two/day. It was not considered an health issue and was considered very acceptable. I could not even guess at how many packs were smoked on a horse and never burnt a horse nor have I heard of of any one who did. The habit is addictive and it is amazing how few people are left who still smoke. That being said I bet most barn fires are started from reasons other than smoking. I dont smoke but I sure hate mouthy people who loudly complain about their precious air. Especially those that drive great humoungous diesel belching motorhomes from show to show. Request politely or move away. Your horse is not ever likely to die of lung cancer. Early in the morning with a cup of coffee... I love the smell but I know that all it would take is one.

Moocow
May. 11, 2009, 03:37 AM
Wow, does smoking on a horse really set people off?? I'm not a smoker nor have I ever been, but it doesn't bother me unless I'm in a cramped space and people are blowing smoke directly into my lungs.
If it bothers you that much, don't come to Europe. ;) Everyone smokes, they smoke while riding, they smoke in the barn, there's cigarette butts everywhere. Oh well, you go on.

Ravencrest_Camp
May. 11, 2009, 08:28 AM
This is so crazy....of all the things that go on with horses and the way they are treated you are complaining about smoke at the in-gate? How about oven cleaner under boots and the endless circles. The trainers who lie and steal? If that is all it takes for you not to be able to focus on your course I hope you are in my division, Ill light one just for you on your outside line, will you miss? You need to grow up. Smoking in the barn of course not, but get a grip!!!

Well as far as I am concerned, someone subjecting me to a known carcinogen is pretty high up there on the list of thing to worry about. :yes:

jerseypony
May. 11, 2009, 08:48 AM
I am actually quite allergic to cigarette smoke. I have actually ended up in the emergency room when I was not unable to breath as a result of it. I am amazed at how many people will light up in front of me without asking if I am ok with it or not. Even the smell of it makes me feel sick. So please, at the barn, at a show, please look around and see who is there. Many children cannot stand up for themselves and ask you to move. I will though, because if you don't, then I'll let you take me to the hospital. :yes: Of course, I am in the minority and deal with it best I can. But I know that I would never allow a trainer of mine to smoke while teaching, or ever stay at a barn where it is allowed.

Bearhunter
May. 11, 2009, 08:49 AM
As an ex smoker (4 wonderful years - a habit so worth getting rid of!!) I am very aware when smokers are around me at ringside. I just move away. I don't want to be near it. My old trainer smoked which wasn't a problem for me but I did not think it was right that she smoked around the kids. She would do it in the barn or when they were showing which I thought was horrible. Kids look up to their trainers as role models. Obviously, that doesn't set a great example.

mvp
May. 11, 2009, 08:51 AM
I don't think the OP was ready to defend her health, so much as that of her innocent horse.

Who weights 1,000#. Who was outside. Who probably does not regularly encounter second-hand smoke, but for the length of this one offensive smoke. Who has a 35 year life span in the first place.

Of course, being a Medal horse involves some risk of shortened life-span and poorer quality of life in old age, too.

This was what the screaming was about. Shame on you.... at least somebody.

War Admiral
May. 11, 2009, 08:56 AM
LOL, I AGREE. Smoking in the barn, no but... Smoking at the in-gate or in general should not push you over the edge. If this does then why did you either A. not move away or B. ask he/she to move away from you and your horse?

*Wins thread*. Seriously, if I can make a fellow competitor THAT batsh*t crazy at the in-gate just by lighting up, best look out, yo, I'll be blowing it in your face for the next decade. Competitive edge! :lol:

The things rich people can think of to get upset about. :rolleyes:

Jealoushe
May. 11, 2009, 11:19 AM
*Wins thread*. Seriously, if I can make a fellow competitor THAT batsh*t crazy at the in-gate just by lighting up, best look out, yo, I'll be blowing it in your face for the next decade. Competitive edge! :lol:

The things rich people can think of to get upset about. :rolleyes:

ummm sorry I don't see b*tshit crazy over second hand smoke at all...blow the OP out of proportion much.

Maybe competitive edge, but in the competition of life I'm pretty sure the smokers are the ones losing.

hoops04
May. 11, 2009, 01:28 PM
what i dont understand is why everyone else has to say what bothers the OP is stupid.... i mean its her own opinion, and if smoking on a horse bothers her, why does that have to bother everyone else! Its like everyone has to be bigger have a worse situation and be right.....kinda like highschool....

vxf111
May. 11, 2009, 01:53 PM
I just was retirement barn shopping and stopped by a place near my current barn.

They were walking me around the pasture and pointed to this enormous pile of rubbish and broken fence pieces right between the turnouts and the barn. I thought they were going to apologize and say they had been doing repairs and were getting the pile together for trash pickup. Instead they proudly said "that's where we have the monthly bonfires for all boarders."

BONFIRES! Yes, they intentionally set a giant fire between the pastures an the barn, no more than 10-15 feet from each!

I just about fainted. They mistook my shock for excitement and then seemed surprised I didn't want to move my horses there.

THE BONFIRES!!!

Rev-Rider
May. 11, 2009, 02:12 PM
As a smoker, I too have even been shocked at some places people smoke. Some BO and Big time trainers smoke in the barn or in the warm up. I worked for a reiner that joked that the indoor was a 50/50 sand-cig butt mix.
I myself NEVER smoke in the barn, only out side in an open area.
I have smoked while hand grazing, and long ago I smoked on the trail. Don't worry I put my cig out on my boot and kept the butt.
I don't think it is rude to smoke at a show, but if your going to do so, stay away from the crowd and pick up your butt.

rabicon
May. 11, 2009, 02:25 PM
I am a smoker (in the process of quitting thank goodness) and I do smoke at shows. I don't smoke at the in gate but I will smoke on the outside of the barn or at my trailer. I will also but it out in a liquid or spit (I know lady like ;)) and put it out in that because its just as safe as I can be because I know the risk. I did see someone smoking at the in gate of a show and it surprised me but didn't bother me of course. I hate to smoke and I'm not proud of it so I will sneak around the corners to do it at a show. If someone is beside me and talking to me etc... and I want to smoke I always ask if they mind and I've yet to have anyone tell me yes or walk away.

Miss-O
May. 11, 2009, 02:36 PM
I really think that in general smokers just don't realize just how much their habit impacts others. While I don't hate smokers I do wish they would refrain from smoking outside near others. I DO think most smokers are considerate (or at least try to be) but they simply don't realize just how far their smoke travels. Just because your outside doesn't make it okay.

And honestly I'm sure that horses are bothered by smoke. However it's probably going to impact the health of the humans handling the horses more then the horses. For a place like a horse show with many other people(not to mention horses) around smoking isn't appropriate IMO.

arktos19
May. 11, 2009, 03:32 PM
In the 60 and 70s at least 80% of people at horse shows smoked. Trainers, riders, judges ring crew and so on. And they smoked up a storm like a pack or two/day. It was not considered an health issue and was considered very acceptable. I could not even guess at how many packs were smoked on a horse and never burnt a horse nor have I heard of of any one who did. The habit is addictive and it is amazing how few people are left who still smoke. That being said I bet most barn fires are started from reasons other than smoking. I dont smoke but I sure hate mouthy people who loudly complain about their precious air. Especially those that drive great humoungous diesel belching motorhomes from show to show. Request politely or move away. Your horse is not ever likely to die of lung cancer. Early in the morning with a cup of coffee... I love the smell but I know that all it would take is one.

So many more people smoked back then, though the anti-smokers were becoming more vocal about their unhappiness regarding the second hand smoke.... I remember walking by the teachers’ lounge at my high school in the 70’s and a cloud of blue smoke wafted out the door when it opened. ;)There was even a student smoking area on the property, and now I see kids and janitors sneak across the street if they want to smoke – I don’t think a teacher would dare get caught with a butt in public! Of course, this WAS the 70’s and there was a well worn path out to the bleachers where other smokable substances were enjoyed…. :cool:

After thirty-some years I can still lay a guilt trip on my parents (who both quit smoking in their 40’s) by reminding them of those long summer vacation drives when they both smoked like chimneys, us kids choking in the back seat, and would refuse to open the car windows because they didn’t want to let in the hot humid air! :dead:

Extreme Chaos
May. 11, 2009, 04:22 PM
Given your location I think I know exactly who you're talking about. I saw her smoking at the show last weekend too, while she was leading her horse. It drives me insane. I don't mind if people smoke but when they smoke around other people and around their horse and in a high fire danger area- that I mind.

Was she smoking in the barn? If not why does her smoking bother you so much?

Extreme Chaos
May. 11, 2009, 04:25 PM
I really think that in general smokers just don't realize just how much their habit impacts others. While I don't hate smokers I do wish they would refrain from smoking outside near others. I DO think most smokers are considerate (or at least try to be) but they simply don't realize just how far their smoke travels. Just because your outside doesn't make it okay.



I wish people were more considerate in the schooling ring, but I don't see that happening. Sometimes we just have to work around things.:)

War Admiral
May. 11, 2009, 04:37 PM
After thirty-some years I can still lay a guilt trip on my parents (who both quit smoking in their 40’s) by reminding them of those long summer vacation drives when they both smoked like chimneys, us kids choking in the back seat, and would refuse to open the car windows because they didn’t want to let in the hot humid air! :dead:

And you consider this to be mature, sensible, well-mannered behavior... why, exactly? DO elucidate.


I wish people were more considerate in the schooling ring, but I don't see that happening. Sometimes we just have to work around things.

Exactly. It's not YOUR PRIVATE property, it's not YOUR PRIVATE PERSONAL AIR, and you cannot dictate who breathes it or what they do with it. I don't b*tch about your gas guzzling soccer mommy whackjob V-8 whatever parked outside my horse's stall or blocking the view of the ring from my little 4-cyl., so unless you're prepared to ask me VERY nicely whether I would MIND not smoking near you/your horse, you better keep your opinions to yourself. Anything else is simply rude, invasive, and, quite frankly, none of your business.

War Admiral
May. 11, 2009, 04:38 PM
BONFIRES! Yes, they intentionally set a giant fire between the pastures an the barn, no more than 10-15 feet from each!

I just about fainted. They mistook my shock for excitement and then seemed surprised I didn't want to move my horses there.

THE BONFIRES!!!

This did make me laugh. There are 501(c)(3) rescues who collect lots of money from people on this board and do the exact same thing.

Parker_Rider
May. 11, 2009, 05:03 PM
Ok. I'm well aware of the fact that my 1300# beastie isn't going to contract lung cancer :rolleyes: But she breaks out in hives and we can't determine the cause and, yes, I know horses don't get "allergies" like humans do, but I'd prefer not to risk anything with this mare because it's a miracle I'm riding her at all.
And I agree on the iPod thing too... I think that's ridiculous too. Warm up rings are psycho enough without you not even being able to pay attention when someone yells "outside" or "Heads up."
Again, I don't care if you smoke. I couldn't even care less. I've been around the proverbial block at A/AA shows, I know trainers/jump crew/everyone and their brother smoke at shows. My own asst trainer smokes, as do a lot of the juniors in our barn. But really? on your horse? I can just see the situation going downhill incredibly fast when an ash lands on his poor neck and he spooks and scares the bejesus out of my horse and others. Or a piece falls off and lands on the saddle pad and lights it up or smolders through. Or she pitches it in the bushes by the ring and the ringside "greenery," that's still pretty brown, lights up.
And again, I don't care about my *precious, open, public* air. I've spent enough time in closed bars/restaurants/concert halls to not really care - I actually kind of like the smell of cigarettes. Unless they're Marlboros... and I can pick it out ;) I'm going to die by 30 anyway, because I'm so accident prone, so whatever.
Yes, it bothered me. I still stand by the fact that it still bothers me.
And to those who'd like to compete against me... I won that medal. (granted, I went and biffed the Ariat the next day... but I don't get distracted by a mounted, cigarette smoking lady; I roll my eyes and walk away. Then post on COTH. I bomb courses because I've had bad trainers in the past and confidence issues.)

arktos19
May. 11, 2009, 05:08 PM
And you consider this to be mature, sensible, well-mannered behavior... why, exactly? DO elucidate.


Um, no, and I never represented it as such - chillax! My mom gives me guilt trips about how much she hates that I stll ride horses when she is sure one will be the death of me yet.... You know what they say about guilt being hereditary, you get it from your mother! :cool:

Just posting to represent how much things have changed since the bad old days, and BTW all of us kids survived the second hand smoke, though it was pure torture at the time! :D

Quin
May. 11, 2009, 07:51 PM
I'm just thinking none of you were around in the '70's.....


Well, yes, but.....that wasn't CIGARETTE smoke coming from the back of the barn.......it was a completely different type of dried plant material........:winkgrin:


Actually, I could live with a bonfire, which presumably is carefully watched and fully extinguished before the party is over for the night. Not too much different than the BO throwing a picnic with food cooked on the grill right beside the barn. It COULD be a danger, but it seems an acceptable level of risk. Or maybe I'm just too much of a redneck. After all, in this part of the country we burn a lot of pasture/hay ground every spring. On purpose. Yes, yes, we move the horses first, but not all that far away.

katarine
May. 11, 2009, 09:45 PM
This did make me laugh. There are 501(c)(3) rescues who collect lots of money from people on this board and do the exact same thing.

ME OW.

What a crass individual you are. You just can't wait for the PMs to roll in, begging to be told just exactly who you are alluding to, can you? What power you have, eh?

So yeah, crass.

Jealoushe
May. 12, 2009, 10:07 AM
Well, yes, but.....that wasn't CIGARETTE smoke coming from the back of the barn.......it was a completely different type of dried plant material........:winkgrin:



Things havn't changed up in Canada since the 70s then :cool:

trooper345
May. 12, 2009, 10:24 AM
Wait. Why do people put oven cleaner on/under their boots? WT...?

309016
May. 12, 2009, 10:40 AM
I just wait for the moment when the ash falls on the horses neck...... that will fix their problem from smoking ON the horse.

Exactly :lol: That would not be one happy pony!

vxf111
May. 12, 2009, 10:42 AM
Wait. Why do people put oven cleaner on/under their boots? WT...?

Under the horse's boots... chemical "rapping."

I have heard this though I have to say that I've been riding since the 80s and never actually seen this done myself. Not that I disbelieve it EVER happens, but I don't think it's quite as widespread as others seem to think.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"
May. 12, 2009, 11:03 AM
This did make me laugh. There are 501(c)(3) rescues who collect lots of money from people on this board and do the exact same thing.

And I am sure you are entirely too well-mannered to say anything further, since what you have stated here is a colored version of the truth. I am sure you would never intentionally say anything that would in any way hurt such a reputable and fabulous organization.

Parker_Rider
May. 12, 2009, 11:11 AM
Under the horse's boots... chemical "rapping."

I have heard this though I have to say that I've been riding since the 80s and never actually seen this done myself. Not that I disbelieve it EVER happens, but I don't think it's quite as widespread as others seem to think.

There are also the rumors of people putting glass in the boots too to make a horse lighter on the front end... hadn't heard of the oven cleaner, but people sure do come up with some f-ed up things.

myvanya
May. 12, 2009, 11:22 AM
My main issue with people smoking at horse shows here is WHERE they smoke. There are plenty of nice sandy places that are away from the barns and free of vegetation in which people could smoke, but that is not where people seem to smoke. Here in Colorado smoking outside can be just as dangerous as smoking in the barn due to the high fire danger- which has been especially bad this year. We have already had wildfires which is uncommon for this time of year. So it does bother me when people smoke on grass or near anything that could catch on fire from their smoldering butt. I realy don't care if someone smokes- as long as I can stay away form it since it causes me to have asthma attacks, and as long as they do it in such a way as to not cause fires.

And would putting oven cleaner or glass under boots really do anythign other than hurt the horse and make them jump worse? It just seems like it would be counterproductive to me.

dghunter
May. 12, 2009, 11:25 AM
My main issue with people smoking at horse shows here is WHERE they smoke. There are plenty of nice sandy places that are away from the barns and free of vegetation in which people could smoke, but that is not where people seem to smoke. Here in Colorado smoking outside can be just as dangerous as smoking in the barn due to the high fire danger- which has been especially bad this year. We have already had wildfires which is uncommon for this time of year. So it does bother me when people smoke on grass or near anything that could catch on fire from their smoldering butt. I realy don't care if someone smokes- as long as I can stay away form it since it causes me to have asthma attacks, and as long as they do it in such a way as to not cause fires.

And would putting oven cleaner or glass under boots really do anythign other than hurt the horse and make them jump worse? It just seems like it would be counterproductive to me.

Do shows not put a ban on smoking except in designated areas when there is a high danger time? I would think that it would be a good idea if it could be enforced?

myvanya
May. 12, 2009, 11:30 AM
I think it can't really be enforced, but I am really just guessing. I agree though, a designated smoking area makes sense.

Equibrit
May. 12, 2009, 11:32 AM
JUST GET OVER YOUR GOOD SELVES.

Parker_Rider
May. 12, 2009, 11:34 AM
Do shows not put a ban on smoking except in designated areas when there is a high danger time? I would think that it would be a good idea if it could be enforced?

I think you would have such a hard time enforcing this... I think it could be put in place in such dry conditions, but they tried to do something similar state-wide a couple of years ago in the drought like you couldn't throw your butts out the car window, but it didn't work at all and it was incredibly hard to enforce.
You could do something like what my high school used to do for tobacco chewing students (we used to have a lot of rodeo kids..) when they put up "spittoon" buckets around the hallway. Show management could put buckets with sand in them around the show so that smokers could dispose of their butts safely without danger of starting a fire in the dry brush.

Myvanya, I think the logic behind the glass/oven cleaner is that a) they're lighter on the front end, so really using their backend which you want in a jumper and b) if they hit a rail, it HURTS so they don't do it again and are more careful. I have no idea if it ever works because I haven't heard of anyone using it (not that that means they don't), and what the success rate is. I think you would significantly shorten a horse's useful show-life though, because most horses will say "enough" after a while and stop going all together.

trubandloki
May. 12, 2009, 11:42 AM
Speaking of the 70s, smoking, and horse back - Think of the Marlboro man. He was always riding and smoking at the same time. No horse he sat on seemed to mind.

drmgncolor
May. 12, 2009, 11:56 AM
I am a former smoker. I smoked through high school and into college. And then I quit very easily. I don't think I was ever truly addicted. At the time I didn't care where I smoked.

Now that I am a non smoker, I cannot stand the smell of cigarette smoke and will generally remove myself from the company of those actively smoking. Hubs and I do not frequent bars or restaurants anymore that allow smoking indoors. I hate coming out smelling like an ash tray. The older I get the more it irks me.

I understand smoker's rights and feel they do deserve a place to smoke though. What gets MY goat is this: There are designated smoking sections about 30 feet away from all the doors to the buildings at my office's campus... nice areas with benches, ashtrays, etc. There are even a few covered areas for days that are not so nice. So it pisses me off when the smokers walk 2 feet out of the door, light up and stand there by the entrance. Now I have to walk through the smoke cloud to get into the building. WTF? One day I even saw a man smoking a cigarette near the door and **leaning** against a sign that clearly read "NO smoking with in 15 feet of the breezeway. Use designated areas ONLY." Seriously.

I don't care if you smoke on horseback. That doesn't bother me. Just don't smoke on my horse. It's one of the rules I have... kinda along the lines of if you want to ride my horse you will wear a helmet. Smoking in the barn is just a no no. Common sense should tell you that.

MILOUTE55
May. 12, 2009, 02:31 PM
if you're really that concerned about horse's comfort, you might start yelling at any overweight person you see on a horse... I think they are hurting their horses' backs more than second hand smoke will ever hurt their horses' lungs...

A very large majority of smokers is smart enough to do it safely and not bother other people or animals :yes:;
Just like a vast majority of very overweight person is smart enough to choose golf over horseback riding :yes:.

Common sense, it's all about common sense....

Jealoushe
May. 12, 2009, 02:49 PM
Speaking of the 70s, smoking, and horse back - Think of the Marlboro man. He was always riding and smoking at the same time. No horse he sat on seemed to mind.

Thats because they were celebrities and getting danger pay included in their royalties every time their ad was shown.

Come on, no one cares if you smoke...but seriously, smoking in a crowded area where there are non smokers is rude, especially when they are waiting to go into a show ring. What's the big deal with waiting 5 or 10 minutes or walking to an area where there aren't people around.

I know you aren't THAT addicted or lazy, right?:cool:

Coppers mom
May. 12, 2009, 03:24 PM
But really? on your horse? I can just see the situation going downhill incredibly fast when an ash lands on his poor neck and he spooks and scares the bejesus out of my horse and others. Or a piece falls off and lands on the saddle pad and lights it up or smolders through. Or she pitches it in the bushes by the ring and the ringside "greenery," that's still pretty brown, lights up.

Sorry, I think this is hilarious!! :lol::lol::lol:

What do you think ash is? Do you really think it's akin to smouldering embers shooting forth from a volcanic eruption?! A bit of ash landing on you doesn't hurt, it's no different than a fly. I really doubt that it's going to scare the bejeezus out of a horse and cause the whole show to come crashing down with mass chaos everywhere.

And have you ever seen a cigarrette cause something to burst into flame simply by bouncing off of it? Even sitting on a saddle pad, it's really unlikely that it'd smoulder through or cause it to catch on fire, and certainly not all of a sudden. What do you think people are puffing on? Blow torches?

No offense to you, I just think it's funny how people who don't smoke act like a barn's going to go down in flames or a horse will get 3rd degree burns from a bit of ash. People talking about cigarrettes on here, calling them "death sticks" and the like (there are many other gems in this thread) just crack me up. Get a grip! I understand they're unhealthy, but it's just hilarious the way people react over a stupid cigarrette.

Go Fish
May. 12, 2009, 07:50 PM
So today I'm at the ring, on my horse, learning my course for my medal class, and I smell smoke. First thought: shit where's the fire?! but it's raining! And then I turn around and it hits me: someone is smoking a cigarette. And this person is mounted, and about to go in the ring to show.

Are you that person, mounted on your horse, trying to learn your course, BLOCKING THE DAMN INGATE while riders are trying to enter and exit the ring? If so, I'm ranting at you...you are annoying, too! :mad: I'll take a whiff of smoke over the dangers that people cause by crowding around the ingate.

At the shows I attend, you can get copies of the course from the show secretary's office first thing in the morning. Give it a try...

klmck63
May. 12, 2009, 08:15 PM
It's not YOUR PRIVATE property, it's not YOUR PRIVATE PERSONAL AIR, and you cannot dictate who breathes it or what they do with it.

If a non-smoker cannot complain that our air is being polluted because it is not our personal or private air then why can a smoker have the right to pollute air that is not their personal or private air?

Not really a good argument. Frankly, if air is not "private" and "personal" then no one has the right to pollute it because it does not belong solely to them.

MILOUTE55
May. 12, 2009, 08:23 PM
Get a grip! I understand they're unhealthy, but it's just hilarious the way people react over a stupid cigarrette.

I totally agree with you :yes:
And I'm glad not all American people have this crazy over-reactions about cigarettes! Thanks!

(yep, I'm French, and I used to smoke a pack a day - during 10 years actually - I'm running the marathon now :yes:)

Oh... and to the person who made this comment about smokers being less smart than non-smokers... I dare you to go yell that in the middle of Paris :winkgrin: :winkgrin: :winkgrin:.... at least you'll see who is faster.... to run!!!

Go Fish
May. 12, 2009, 08:25 PM
If a non-smoker cannot complain that our air is being polluted because it is not our personal or private air then why can a smoker have the right to pollute air that is not their personal or private air?

Not really a good argument. Frankly, if air is not "private" and "personal" then no one has the right to pollute it because it does not belong solely to them.

Then don't drive a car, either. Lots of other causes of "polluting private air" too. You own the air once it enters your lungs, not before.

dghunter
May. 12, 2009, 08:28 PM
I understand smoker's rights and feel they do deserve a place to smoke though. What gets MY goat is this: There are designated smoking sections about 30 feet away from all the doors to the buildings at my office's campus... nice areas with benches, ashtrays, etc. There are even a few covered areas for days that are not so nice. So it pisses me off when the smokers walk 2 feet out of the door, light up and stand there by the entrance. Now I have to walk through the smoke cloud to get into the building. WTF? One day I even saw a man smoking a cigarette near the door and **leaning** against a sign that clearly read "NO smoking with in 15 feet of the breezeway. Use designated areas ONLY." Seriously.



OMG I hate the people who smoke in front of the doors on my campus!!! I work at the library and they just posted about 20 signs on the doors saying no smoking within 25 feet of doors and put the ashtray things 25 feet away by the benches. The students just drag them closer to the doors again :no: I love walking through a cloud of smoke to go to work or class... :rolleyes:

And I could see how it would be hard to enforce at a show but you'd think that if it was a high risk time for wildfires that people would be more careful? But then I think a lot of things are common sense and quickly find out that it isn't so :D

crazylegsjumper
May. 12, 2009, 08:40 PM
As a smoker, I am very conscientious about where I smoke and never smoke in crowded places or around little kids. With that being said, even though I know the dangers i do smoke at the barn (outside, not in). I think at a certain point if you have a problem you need to fix it; either walk away, or ask the person smoking to please move elsewhere. People are making a bigger deal over something than is really necessary

otwist123
May. 12, 2009, 09:30 PM
If a non-smoker cannot complain that our air is being polluted because it is not our personal or private air then why can a smoker have the right to pollute air that is not their personal or private air?

Not really a good argument. Frankly, if air is not "private" and "personal" then no one has the right to pollute it because it does not belong solely to them.

Exactly. :yes:

For the people who are saying get over yourself, it's not a big deal, what about for the people who have asthma for example, should they just "get over it" when they can't breathe because someone lights up a smoke behind them thinking nothing of it.

Trixie
May. 12, 2009, 10:15 PM
Not really a good argument. Frankly, if air is not "private" and "personal" then no one has the right to pollute it because it does not belong solely to them.

That's not a great arguement either - where's the line? What about us horsefolk, who generally drive big rigs, as opposed to those who drive a prius? Do we have a right to pollute in that manner, but not another?

Seven-up
May. 12, 2009, 10:22 PM
Can we talk about people who fart right next to me? It's my air. I'd like to breathe fart-free oxygen.

How about gross eaters? Smacking could be considered noise pollution, no? And what about when those people can't seem to keep their trap shut when they eat and a big glob of disgustingness flies out of their mouth and lands on my plate, or my arm? When that causes me to vomit, I'm not the only one who suffers. I'm ruining someone else's good time too.

klmck63
May. 12, 2009, 10:45 PM
That's not a great arguement either - where's the line? What about us horsefolk, who generally drive big rigs, as opposed to those who drive a prius? Do we have a right to pollute in that manner, but not another?

I'm not saying I have a double standard and condone one while not the other. If I could I absolutely would drive my horses to shows in a hybrid vehicle but we all know that's a long way from being affordable to the average person. ;) If you are committed to traveling with your horses then it's necessary to drive a truck which unfortunately means that you will unavoidably pollute which has global ramifications. I think this is a separate issue from smoking because on the other hand, if you are committed to smoking it is not necessary to smoke in the vicinity of other non-smokers.

I am not trying to start a fight. :no: Basically what I'm trying to say is that in our society it is common courtesy to smoke away from non-smokers and anyone who objects to being smoked in front of. Whether the air 'belongs' to someone or not is irrelevant. Obviously air is shared by everyone and ideally no one would pollute but what I am trying to say is that no one should presume to force second hand smoke on someone else.

Coppers mom
May. 12, 2009, 11:20 PM
Can we talk about people who fart right next to me? It's my air. I'd like to breathe fart-free oxygen.

How about gross eaters? Smacking could be considered noise pollution, no? And what about when those people can't seem to keep their trap shut when they eat and a big glob of disgustingness flies out of their mouth and lands on my plate, or my arm? When that causes me to vomit, I'm not the only one who suffers. I'm ruining someone else's good time too.
Bahahaha!:lol::lol:

Bottom line, people are annoying. Really, really annoying. Give them anything (food, cigs, dogs, babies, you name it), and they will do something stupid with it. I suggest everyone just sit back, relax, and be glad that most H/J people don't dip.

Seven-up
May. 12, 2009, 11:22 PM
I am not trying to start a fight. :no: Basically what I'm trying to say is that in our society it is common courtesy to smoke away from non-smokers and anyone who objects to being smoked in front of. Whether the air 'belongs' to someone or not is irrelevant. Obviously air is shared by everyone and ideally no one would pollute but what I am trying to say is that no one should presume to force second hand smoke on someone else.

Valid point, but a person may not know if they are bothering someone else if that other person just stands there and doesn't say anything. I've never seen anyone "force" smoke on anyone else. I think your post brings up something important: People need to speak up if they don't like smoke, or move away from someone who is smoking if they don't like it.

I always walk away from folks when I smoke, I take great care to stand where my smoke blows away from them, ask if it would bother anyone if I lit up, and even when they say they don't care, I try to keep my smoke away from others. If I get a dirty look, or if someone moves away from me, I'll apologize, move, put the cigarette out, whatever. I don't even like it when my smoke gets blown into another smoker's face!

But how am I supposed to know if I'm bugging someone if they just stand right next to me and not make a peep? My brother is legitimately allergic to cigarette smoke; his face swells up like a balloon and he loses his voice. So I realize that it's a bigger deal than just "I don't like the smell."

Some people are inconsiderate pricks, that's a given. But many smokers would be happy to alter what they're doing if they only knew they were bothering someone. It's easy to speak up and say, "Would you mind standing over there, I'm allergic." Or "That's really bothering me. Do you think you could put that out?" If anyone said that to me, I'd definitely apologize and comply. I'd be happy to be polite as long as I was approached respectfully. Now, if someone said, "OMG, you're so disgusting and rude, you're a filthy person and how can anyone stand to be around you?" Yeah, I'd probably blow smoke in their face. :winkgrin:

I also don't think that smokers should have to bend over backwards to please nonsmokers. I've been in working situations where a nonsmoker came out to talk to other smokers in a designated smoking area and get pissed. That's a little crazy.

I think if more people spoke up politely when they were bothered by a cigarette, the situation would be a lot less hateful. Some people genuinely are not bothered by smoke, and if someone stands next to me while I smoke, how am I supposed to know if that person doesn't mind, or is secretly seething inside and plotting my death if they don't say anything?:lol:

otwist123
May. 13, 2009, 01:03 AM
Seven-Up I wish all smokers were like you. But unfortunately it's not that way. I would say it's a general rule that non-smokers are bothered by smoke. Even the ex-smokers probably even worse since they could be still fighting the addiction. Yeah, there are a lot of other annoying things at horse shows, kids, dogs, farters (haha) but I think the difference is that smoke is harmful to people. I can relate as a person who is mildly allergic to smoke. When I was younger if I was exposed to it for even 2 minutes I would be sick to my stomach. I do not judge smokers at all. One of my barn friends is pretty much a chain smoker. Yep she smokes when she's holding her horse and when she's sitting on him and even right beside me. I just walk away, I might get the courage to tell her it bothers me one day, but she is a very sensitive person and I don't think she would take it well. Anyways, as I said earlier, it would be nice if smokers would assume that non-smokers are bothered by it. Seeing on this thread, the majority of non smokers are very bothered by it. Not everyone has the courage to ask someone to put it out or move away. I'm not trying to start a fight, I just wish smokers would think twice before lighting up. Like Seven-up, either ask or stand away.

FrenchFrytheEqHorse
May. 13, 2009, 03:38 AM
So apparently, according to most people here, it is the responsibility of the smoker to assume that everyone around them is going to be bothered by their habit? People standing around a smoker don't have any obligation to SPEAK UP and ASK POLITELY if the smoker would kindly move away?

As a smoker, I make a conscious effort to smoke either alone (in a remote or personal area) or in the company of other smokers in order to avoid making others uncomfortable. If I were smoking in some public area and someone asked me POLITELY to move, I would absolutely do so. However, it is 110% unreasonable to start bringing in this whole "well what if you don't know you are making someone uncomfortable??" thing- Non smokers have voices, and are capable of normal, human interaction. In as such, it is not difficult to politely ask a smoker to do it somewhere else.

As for the "dangers" of smoking on horseback? Ha! Ash "smoldering through saddle pads" and "causing horses to panic"? Seriously? And you've supposedly been around the block at A and AA shows? Around here (MD, VA, PA, and their respective winter counterparts, so a very horsey area) smoking is pretty much as common as drinking coffee at the horse show. Not everyone does, but the number of well-respected trainers I've personally seen schooling horses with cigarettes in their mouths is wayyy up there.

In the end, you don't have to tolerate smoking, ever. You even have two options when you encounter the "less-intelligent", volatile beasts that are smokers: 1) Politely request that the smoker satisfy his/her habit away from your personal space. 2) Take your right foot and place it in front of your left. Now take your left foot and do the same with regards to your right. Repeat. This is called walking away. Walking away is useful in many situations, and has been mastered by most of us smokers during encounters with rude non-smokers who've found it necessary/appropriate/logical/fun/confidence boosting to verbally berate us in front of our peers.

Equilibrium
May. 13, 2009, 04:44 AM
OP is entitled to her opinion - that's what makes the board go round!

As a former smoker I was careful about smoking around others and never in the barn.

I also did try and keep my habit from view at work. I galloped for Wayne Lukas at the time when I got caught outside the bathroom.He says those things will shorten your lifespan you know. Ha I said, I work for you, that shortens my lifespan already!!!

But I can understand OP's annoyance and I never liked being rude by smoking. You can wait and you can avoid social situations where others don't need to be interupted.

Terri

Seven-up
May. 13, 2009, 05:17 AM
Agree with French Fry. Speak up or shut up.:winkgrin::lol:


And Twist, I respect your opinion (and your ability to state it without blowing a gasket) but unfortunately I have to disagree with your statement that it's a general rule that nonsmokers are bothered by smoke. I know more people who could care less than I know who are bothered by it. And I know because I've made it a point to ask them. Can't tell you how many times I've sat next to someone and the conversation went something like this:

Me: "Sorry, my smoke just blew in your face."
Them: "It's ok. I smoked for 20 years. I just quit."
Me: "Oh, sh!t. Let me move."
Them: "No, no, don't go anywhere. If I just smell it I won't have to ask you for one."


In fact, I have one friend who loves the smell even though she's never smoked in her life. Not one. Weird, sure, but I like the smell of gasoline, so who am I to judge?:lol:


Bottom line is, if someone doesn't have the grapes to say, "do you think you could stand downwind of me" or "sorry, I gotta walk away for a minute" or heaven forbid, walk away from A STRANGER you've never spoken to and never will, then YOU are the one subjecting YOURSELF to the smoke. We're not subjecting you to a thing, and it's wacko to think any other way.

MrWinston
May. 13, 2009, 06:17 AM
We do dog agility. I think smoking at an agility trial is the same as smoking at a horse show. The smokers I know and see all the time are very conscientious about doing it away from others and outside of the covered arena. OTOH, there are people who seem to appoint themselves the Cigarette Police and become rediculously irrate and verbally abusive.

One woman who is a self appointed CPO runs trials on her property and has a designated smoking area. I choose to take my business elsewhere. If someone is far away from you and is smoking outside, you really have no right to impose yourself on them. It really is a matter of HOW you ask them to take their cigarette further away.

slc2
May. 13, 2009, 06:46 AM
Lots of excuses here. Addiction is a very, very powerful thing and distorts people's thinking so they actually believe they have a right to smoke in someone's face. Just remember. You have an addiction, and people do some very, very amazing 'thought tricks' in order to justify their addictions.

No, actually, most non smokers don't like having smoke blown in their face.

No, actually, most non smokers don't actually like the way cigarettes smell. In fact, the only people, generally, who like how cigarettes smell, are smokers.

No, actually, it isn't that important exactly how snivvelingly, beggingly, apologetically someone asks you not to smoke, and no one actually has to take a course in diplomacy before asking you to not blow smoke in their faces or claim they are the lowest form of life and don't deserve to live in order to ask you to smoke elsewhere. It is actually alright for someone to say, 'Excuse me, would you mind smoking over there? Thank you'.

I guess one of the biggest things associated with adult asthma is second hand smoke in childhood. Not that they have some biological pathway that they understand how it does what it does exactly, research has just pointed out that an awful lot of adult asthmatics were around second hand smoke as kids, too many to be a coincidence. Lots, in fact.

So now I have this horrible disease, am sick all the time, can't ride like how I want to, have to struggle for breath (hope you never know what that is like, though long term smokers probably ARE struggling for breath and just don't give a sh**, there's addicted thinking for ya), probably one of these days in the not too distant future it will get me, thanks most likely to breathing in second hand smoke all the time as a child.

At least I don't have to save up for my retirement, though realistically, I need to save up for a long time of being disabled and wishing I was dead and sitting gulping air like a fish out of water, instead of enjoying my old age the way I'd like to - climbing mountains and such.

I think that I would have rathered my dad didn't smoke around me all the time, than ruin my life by 44.

I'm not saying that being outdoors and having someone smoke in the open air is the same as sitting in a house for 20 years with someone who smokes 20 packs a day, or that all people are equally affected or vulnerable.

But I AM saying no one really knows right now, who would be badly affected or how much smoke it takes....it's good for smokers to stay away from others when they smoke. People who don't want to get the smoke in their lungs, and don't make that choice to smoke, don't deserve to suffer.

Seven-up
May. 13, 2009, 07:19 AM
Way to twist words into a pretzel, slick.

No, actually, I didn't say MOST people like having smoke blown in their faces.

No, actually, I didn't say MOST people like the smell... unless your definition of most is "one chick I know..."

No, actually, no one ever said that they walk up to random people and purposely blow smoke in their faces.

You'd think with all the words you spew that you could actually read what someone else types. Don't put words in my mouth. I need room in there to put a deadly cancer stick so that I can viciously shorten everyone's lifespan. I want YOU to remember--internet addiction is real, too.


Self righteousness is a very powerful thing and distorts the way people behave and respond. So is delusion.

slc2
May. 13, 2009, 07:21 AM
Good name calling. Should get a lot of praise here. By the way, I wasn't responding specifically to your post, so try and not be so paranoid.

Having a chronic illness likely caused by second hand smoke is even more of a pita than any of the stuff you mention. I know plenty of nice, considerate smokers - and a couple real loud, self righteous who-cares-about-anyone-else ones....

Fact is, there aren't a lot of non smokers defending the rights of smokers...it's a smoker thing, and there's a lot of distortion and delusion there. There's also a lot of people in the horse business who smoke, which slants the sentiment considerably.

bascher
May. 13, 2009, 07:39 AM
For me, the fact of the matter is, as long as smokers are being considerate and trying to smoke away from other people, I'm fine with it. Both Seven-Up and FrenchFry are respectful to the people around them, and that's all I ask of someone who smokes. And even nonsmokers should use this as a rule..be respectful of those around you! I can't count the number of times people are being so incredibly loud around you that you can't hear, etc. In fact, that's probably up there with the number of times I've had inconsiderate smokers blow smoke in my face. So those in glass houses should not throw stones (I've always wanted to use that :D ). Anyway, my point is that as long as you are being respectful of others, that's all I ask. Seven-Up and FrenchFry should be the model for everyone else :yes: then there wouldn't be such a problem!

Seven-up
May. 13, 2009, 08:16 AM
Good name calling. Should get a lot of praise here. By the way, I wasn't responding specifically to your post...



That might make some sense had you not ripped phrases and situations that were mentioned nowhere else but my post. Good backpeddling, though.


And what name calling are you talking about? Slick? I thought you liked that name. That's your name. Slc. Slick. :confused:

klmck63
May. 13, 2009, 08:28 AM
Seven-Up I wish all smokers were like you. But unfortunately it's not that way. I would say it's a general rule that non-smokers are bothered by smoke. Even the ex-smokers probably even worse since they could be still fighting the addiction. Yeah, there are a lot of other annoying things at horse shows, kids, dogs, farters (haha) but I think the difference is that smoke is harmful to people. I can relate as a person who is mildly allergic to smoke. When I was younger if I was exposed to it for even 2 minutes I would be sick to my stomach. I do not judge smokers at all. One of my barn friends is pretty much a chain smoker. Yep she smokes when she's holding her horse and when she's sitting on him and even right beside me. I just walk away, I might get the courage to tell her it bothers me one day, but she is a very sensitive person and I don't think she would take it well. Anyways, as I said earlier, it would be nice if smokers would assume that non-smokers are bothered by it. Seeing on this thread, the majority of non smokers are very bothered by it. Not everyone has the courage to ask someone to put it out or move away. I'm not trying to start a fight, I just wish smokers would think twice before lighting up. Like Seven-up, either ask or stand away.

I second that. While lots of smokers are respectful there are the loud minority who are not. You say you've never seen someone force smoke one someone? You've never met my aunt! :lol: She thinks a couple inches of window is sufficient if she wants to smoke in the car with me there. Yuck!

And although I don't get sick to my stomach, I have asthma and cigarette smoke, or any smoke for that matter, can make me really sick. I absolutely appreciate smokers who will kindly move away if you ask (and I DO ask) but I have had several experiences where people get quite offended if you ask. I think this is because people don't always realize the effect of smoking on others.

My trainer smokes and although I wish she wouldn't for her health she is always conscientious and keeps the smoke away from me and generally has a cigarette off to the side when I go in the ring and is done by the time I get out.

Anyways, just my two cents and experience; I'm not saying it is right or wrong.

Moderator 1
May. 13, 2009, 09:28 AM
This thread is no longer horse-related in any way, so we're closing it.

Thanks,
Mod 1