jules anderson "actress"

[badabing]

I guess you can pay to get on dressage daily as she is a "featured" trainer.
Maybe her acting is trying to act like a trainer, don't know but not impressed.

[SillyHorse]

From her website:

"Jules Anderson, BA., Dip.Ed., is an USEF "r" Judge, "B" Level EFA Judge, ACCA/EFA Level 1 Coach, and USDF Bronze, Silver & Gold Medalis. Jules qualified for the 2000 Olympics, and has produced eleven competitive Grand Prix horses from scratch since she arrived in the US to work with her Mother, LIbby Anderson. Jules has many loyal clients who have earned there USDF bronze, silver and gold medals under her tuteledge while managing and promoting 'teamworkdressage'"

I'm kind of impressed.

[Beasmom]

Well, she appears to have some impressive credentials. What's your point, badabing?

[slc2]

That she does not like her?

Sounds like kind of a personal thing.

[Pommederue]

I guess you can pay to get on dressage daily as she is a "featured" trainer.
Maybe her acting is trying to act like a trainer, don't know but not impressed.

I don't know either of you but Jules seems like she's accomplished quite a lot! How about you badabing? What are your credentials?

[Beasmom]

That she does not like her?

Sounds like kind of a personal thing.

Uh, yeahhhh...

Guess I wouldn't be bringing it here. Troll, maybe?

[fuzzy.pony]

DressageDaily's "Who's Who" is a paid advertising service. It costs around $1000-$1500.

[egontoast]

Don't know JA but it's interesting that OP has only 6 posts and two of them are purely to crap on JA.

Of course, the Op has probably helped her target by drawing attention to her ad and accomplishments.:lol:

[slc2]

If bada has some specific points to discuss, such as points about the rider's seat, leg aids, use of the reins or training methodology, it could be discussed, and most likely some people would agree, and some people would not see anything wrong at all, looking at the exact same resume, pictures or videos and everyone would have a nice go at each other on those lines.

The key here is that you post something that gets people the opportunity to pick on other posters, not some anonymous absent person. Learn the rules! :)

[bpt]

I too have the actress opinion as bada, however, I have seen way more than bada from the JA tuteledge "if that is what it is", and it is not a well received system of dressage.

[Beasmom]

Oh, goody. Tag team trolls.

[ASB Stars]

I have a friend who knows the Andersons quite well, and respects them. I, in turn, respect her opinion.

I have met them once, and they were pleasant; the horse that Jules rode won it's class at DAD.

You guys need lives. Honestly. You're giving dressage queens a bad name. :lol:

[spotted mustang]

jules anderson "actress"

Wait, wasn't she in Sound of Music?

[JMurray]

Badabing...go bing yourself...and get a life

[slc2]

So wait. These tag teaming trolls don't like someone who won a class at DAD?

[ToN Farm]

Unless the credentials she lists on her site are false, I find it hard to believe she is as bad as a couple of you think. There are numerous photos of her riding FEI and she just showed GP this past weekend and scored 62 or 63% on a green GP horse.

I don't know anything about her, but I've seen too many trainers get criticised on these boards just because they rode a little more aggressively or weren't as 'classical' as one might like.

Why does riding with two whips cause a problem? Maybe it's against the rules; I don't know. The comments here give the impression that she was charged with overuse of the whip. Even so, sh*t happens.

[Beasmom]

Shocking, ain't it, slc?

Good one, Spotted Mustang!

[FancyFree]

I went to IMDB (Internet Movie Data Base) to look her up. She's an actress also, right? OP is this her?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480775/ She's the only Jules Anderson on there.

[slc2]

I would FAR rather see a rider warm up with a whip in each hand, than see them spend the entire ride burying spurs in the horse's side. Especially with a very quiet sort of horse having a whip to warm up with is not unusual or at all 'bad'. People who want to pick at that sort of thing might try riding that horse themselves (at something other than a hack, jog or free walk, to get an idea of how the horse is actually to ride when working).

Stallions and well many types of horses can be 'hard sided' and naughty at shows and a tap here and there can help many horses to get focused and respond better during the warmup, so they go into the ring and do a better test. Anything that keeps the horse from being dulled to the aids in general and particularly the spur is a good thing.

Too, one has to remember that most trainers, especially younger ones, have at least some horses in their barn that are being reschooled, trained out of bad habits for an owner, or simply aren't that 'hot' and sensitive by nature.

If a rider has to be firm with the horse at a show, it can be just that that is necessary right at that point. I'm not condoning violence or abuse, but I think sometimes people get extremely unrealistic about what other people do when riding at shows.

It is a difficult thing, to develop an eye for selecting a good trainer for onself. It is not as easy as it seems.

[Fantastic]

Name sounded familiar. Remember this recent post http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=189515&highlight=jules+anderson ?

[slc2]

There are always people who hate and people who love the same trainer. In the horse world it's very common to hear such negative and positive comments, no matter who it is. These things just go around and around in circles.

I think 'temper' in many, comes from simply not being effective/not knowing really what to do, bringing an unprepared horse out at the wrong level, or the kind of personality that just cannot keep it together when there is a little pressure on to accomplish something.

I like seeing a rider who is calm when things get difficult, and effective and firm, not unnecessarily rough. Too, things do go wrong at shows, and sometimes trainers get very spoiled, bad actors to ride.

What's 'unneccesarily rough'? Not sure any two horse people would ever agree on that especially because what is acceptable varies so much between disciplines. How does a spectator know all the back-story about a horse, in order to judge that? Not sure s/he ever does.

Carol Lavell included video of a very rough warmup in one of her Aachen tapes, and she was very negative about roughness in the warmup. The best thing about the video was she gave a series of examples of appropriate corrections vs not appropriate. She did this repeatedly in the videos and I would hope a lot of people would get a chance to see that.

She showed Kyra Kyrkland doing some very strong corrections on a stallion that was running through the aids and getting very, very strong and out of hand. 'She had a word with him about that', LOL. Then she contrasted that with a person who was just going ballistic, and the horse getting worse and worse. With the right correction a problem might not instantly vanish, but an improvement will happen.

Then there was a much much finer line she drew as well. The day before a class a rider might school a horse quite firmly on his issues, but the day of the class, the warmup would be different.

It was very, very interesting to hear her comments, on what are 'not the kind of corrections one can take in to the ring' (ie into the judged test).

Meaning, if a person does get very rough with their horse in training/warmup, they are not going to score well, because it affects the performance directly. She pointed out very clearly how it affects the test and it was obvious.

It is very ironic, because I'm sure the main reason people get rough or lose their temper is because they want to perform well at the competition.

[bpt]

I thought we were discussing her being an actress, not her riding or whether she knows how to dicipline a horse. She is one of those venues of how political dressage circles can be.

[slc2]

I think you might need to look up the meaning of the word 'venue'.

Frankly, I could care less if she's an actress, and have no interest how her other work makes 'dressage so political'. I have a friend who acts and dances and she is a great person, I see nothing wrong with that sort of job. It's a decent job and it pays well...occasionally...it's a very difficult job in many ways, and not a job most people could do - it takes a great deal of specialized training and practice. Good for her.

What matters is how people train horses. Nothing else matters. If they are an actress, so what. How often they vacuum their house, so what. People get so far off the beaten track, and I don't know why.

The important thing is that the horse are trained properly, kept sound, and that their owners are given fair service for what they pay for and expect, not being deceived about the horse's abilities and what work is best suited to the horse, and that their riding is improving. Within there, there is a lot of room for a lot of different personalities, lifestyles, and backgrounds. But the horse welfare and honesty part, not negotiable.

[Beasmom]

bpt wrote,

"I too have the actress opinion as bada, however, I have seen way more than bada from the JA tuteledge "if that is what it is", and it is not a well received system of dressage."

then:

"I thought we were discussing her being an actress, not her riding or whether she knows how to dicipline a horse. She is one of those venues of how political dressage circles can be."

Acting or dressage? This is the dressage forum, not the acting forum. You and badabing obviously came here to make hay out of this woman's reputation. What's your point?

Spend more time building up your own (good) reputations, not ripping on someone else's reputation. If she's terrible, it'll get around. If she's merely better than you, and you resent it, YOU've got work to do. On your riding, on your character, on your lack of class.

Heck, and if she really is terrible, working on your OWN stuff is still a good idea.

[egontoast]

slc2 I really hope you will stop in future and take your own advice before posting gossip about trainers with whom you have no personal experience.

You are one of the worst ones here for posting second hand gossip about lesser known trainers.

[luckles]

I had several years of personal experience with the afore mentioned person. Listen to what these people say as they are correct and I apologize to my horse. That is all I will say publicly.

[slc2]

"second hand gossip"

Your latest attack was when I looked at videos and pictures posted on the thread, and said I don't like how the person is using the reins or sitting in the videos and pictures, or how they are working the horse, I thought their position was faulty and their use of the reins was incorrect, horse was not balanced or thru the back correctly, I also said they had the back boot on the front leg of the horse. That's not second hand gossip. It's an opinion of how the rider looks and what he's doing with the horse in those videos and pictures, and how the horse is tacked up. If you don't see the pictures and videos the same way, you and any one else are free to say so.

[egontoast]

That's not second hand gossip

Never said it was. There are 20k plus posts to go through but I'm sure you can find them. Keep looking!;)

[bpt]

Since venue means a gathering to an event, I used it in the term that she has a small gathering of believers to her idea of dressage.
No cross to burn here, just have a brain of my own and know that there is no way that you can take a horse from 2nd level to GP in a 2 years. No way. Maybe those who want the short cut and don't care how they get there is who she caters to, and there are alot of them. Shame on all of them ie: trainer/rider and horse owners for putting those horses thru those demands and breaking them down.
When someone offers some of these riders these glimmers of "stardom to dressage" these riders absolutely loose their minds with desire to be a big shot and forget all about the horses development. I think it would be like taking a child and jumping it from 8th grade to its first year of college without it having the years of development that comes in between, but maybe all these horses are "gifted". Doubt it.
No one is trashing this person, only speaking from their mind and what they have witnessed. Freedom of speach.

[slc2]

I'd still suggest you look up the word - :lol:.

Look. You don't like the girl. OK. The bottom line is that if she's a bad trainer and rushing horses, you can't fix that. Those who already know the trainer either like or dislike her methods.

Do people ever really take any advice on trainers? Usually, no. People just like who they like.

Everyone is free in the USA to hang out a shingle and call themselves a trainer, and if they say they can do a horse to GP in 2 years, no one is going to stop them. As one customer told a trainer I know, 'THREE YEARS? Jeez, if it was three MONTHS, I'd say FINE, but I ain't payin' for three YEARS of training!' If one person told him three years, and one told him two, and another told him six months, he'd 'LOVE' the trainer that said six months. People LOVE the idea of fast training.

Too, just check out a thread here sometime where photos or videos are posted for critique. The opinions offered will usually be completely opposite each other, and no matter what a person says, there's invariably a heated argument with one side claiming the other side is 'blind' or 'ignorant' or TMPC (terms more politically correct). People just don't see the same things when they look at a horse and rider, and they don't often change their minds about it, either.

Too....the top trainers in history, like Reiner Klimke regularly took horses from green to Grand Prix in 2 1/2 to 3 years, with no holes in their training, and no stress to the horse. Ahlerich, so often lauded here as the perfectly going horse that makes all the modern horses look 'too tense' and 'incorrect', described here as much more elegant and flowing than current horses, was doing all the Grand Prix work within 2 1/2 years of when Klimke got him as a green baby, with Klimke riding him only occasionally.

To top it off, Baucher told people he could train a GP horse in six MONTHS that had never even been saddled before, and people LOVED it and called him a genius. If you say it can't be done in 2 years, a bunch of people will pipe up and tell you about Baucher.

The whole process, to a finished, confirmed, 'reliable' GP horse, probably takes a lot more like six years, depending on how it is defined...I understand there's a long way from doing piaffe steps in the ring at home to putting it together to a winning test.

Depending on how tough the competition was and how big the classes were, it might take a horse quite some time developing and showing at GP before someone would call him 'strong', 'confirmed' or 'reliable'. He might be able to do all the work after 2 1/2 - 3 yr but there might be a lot more to do at that point.

From what I see, a 'green GP horse' is a lot different from a confirmed horse that has developed at that level. The more confirmed horse simply has more muscle and is more developed. He performs visibly better, with more ease and correctness. As he develops in that level, he might be doing a very solid GP Special test and a freestyle with a lot of difficulty and do it in a fluid, easy fashion.

So....I don't believe time alone is the sole measure. It's the quality of the work and how it's done, the long term soundness of the horse after the training, etc.

[bpt]

Websters Dictionary
Venue- scene of a gathering. That venue being her.
Nothing personal about liking or disliking, just don't like seeing people misled.

[ToN Farm]

Nothing personal about liking or disliking, just don't like seeing people misled.I'm going to ask again. What is misleading? Are the accomplishments on her website untrue? Whether or not some of you like the way she trains is one thing, but the fact is that she has accomplished a lot........or else......she is being dishonest with what she says on her site.

[coloredhorse]

Websters Dictionary
Venue- scene of a gathering. That venue being her.
Nothing personal about liking or disliking, just don't like seeing people misled.

Well, I could care less about Jules Anderson and her ability as a rider, trainer or actress! But as someone who makes my living with words and in the course of said work often must work on/attend events at various venues, this aggravates me. As you noted, bpt, per Webster's, venue = the scene of a gathering. This means the place at which a gathering is held, not a person or attraction at said event.

Anal Editors Are Us signing off. Back to your regularly scheduled snarking. :lol:

ETA: I'm still confused about the actress thing. I know Jules' mother slightly and as far as I knew, Jules was following in Mom's footsteps as a trainer and judge.