Help with pricing *not an ad left out details that could lead to thinking that*

[2notBrakeTheRules]

Ok so this is my alias. Figure safer that way to stay in the rules. Would like some help with what to price a horse at.

7yr 16.2h Premium Oldenburg
Shown only schooling shows to Training level but scored almost all 8s and 9s
Currently in training with Grand Prix rider
Has the build, brain, and temperment to be a true upper level horse, the trainer can not stop raving about his ability and mind
Right now is a bit out of shape but getting fitter every day
Bred for Dressage, won't say the sire but is a very quality sire

I do eventing and jumpers. Let's just say he does not fit in the program, hence him being off to a different stable.

Trying to get an idea about what he would be worth. I know you can't tell much with only short details but I don't want to brake the rules. Any help would be great.

[rabicon]

WOW thats hard to say. :lol: Also depends on the area your in and what he looks like. Is he flashy? Have any chrome? Is he easy for an yr or aa? Is he clean and sound?

[2notBrakeTheRules]

He is clean legged. He is sensative in more of the brain way, not 'oh my gosh touch me wrong and off you go!'. He is always trying to please the trainer. It is pretty much like she gets on him and he asks 'what can I do to please you today?'

He is a plain bay, but has presence *sp? sorry* He even makes people who don't do dressage when I just trot him in hand go WOW what natural ability, and for the people that do dressage they think I am crazy since I prefer a TB for eventing over showing dressage with him.

Location. I would say Midwest. That way no one can say, "hey you are advertising him!"

Easy to handle, great for loading, shots, vet, etc

Very floaty movement and tracks up underhimself naturally.

[slc2]

Shown only at schooling shows at training level.

Seven years old.
16.2 hands.
Oldenberg. Breeding unknown. Registration status unknown.

"It depends". If he is hard for an average amateur to ride, not much.

At seven it is not good for his price that he is doing training level. If he is so destined for the upper levels, at this point, he should be doing Prix St Georges, not training level. That is a problem. It will be hard to market a 7 year old training level 'grand prix prospect'. Most people would say, 'yeah, right, everything is a 'grand prix prospect''.

Plus he has never been shown in a recognized show.

If he is a registered horse and is actually all warmblood, his price can be higher. If he is half Thoroughbred, he will sell for less. If he has no papers, he will sell for less.

If a very popular trainer has him going well and looking well, and he is doing single flying changes, he's going to go for more.

The main problem right now is the market. It's just slow, and a lot of people are trying to sell horses.

If he is half thoroughbred, a little difficult for an amateur to ride, and has no training beyond training level, under 8000 and be prepared to take less if you want an empty stall soon.

If he is all warmblood, has papers, is doing more than training level right now, somewhat more. Single flying changes are worth about 3 thousand dollars. Who is selling him, and how well they ride him, makes a big difference. If he is pretty with a little head it makes a difference. Plain bay is less money. People pay several thousand more for a grey horse or a brightly marked chestnut...yeah it's true.

[2notBrakeTheRules]

He is reg warmblood, Oldenburg. Recieved his Premium. Have his papers, his sire is well known. He was shown Training level and was schooling solid 1st level before I got him. Despite being only a bay with a star he is very flashy looking bue to his build.

Oh and by sensative in the 'brain way' I mean that he will try to do what you ask no matter what. Puts his trust in his rider when they ask him to do something new.

[slc2]

bump it up.

[blackhorse6]

SlC...not where I live!! And I happen to be in the midwest...Grays and chestnuts are the "last" color that is preferred by the majority.. Yes, color shouldn't matter but unfortunately it does::eek:

[ToN Farm]

He was shown Training level and was schooling solid 1st level before I got him.Ok, he's 7 and was doing TL schooling 1st when you got him. You couldn't have had him very long then.....about 3 years? In that amount of time, he hasn't progressed, but has gotten older and less fit. Therefore, I'd say he is worth less than what you paid for him. Use that as a guide.

[JackSprats Mom]

Why not just ask the trainer what she thinks he's worth?

Honestly who knows, there's a reg warmblood, 7yrs old, nice some chrome, he's for sale for $4500......:eek: (yes, I wish I had land!)

[brightskyfarm]

As hes in training with a Grand Prix rider, what does that rider value his worth? Im sure the rider has a client base, an associate base, and has some idea what your horse is worth, otherwise Im sure they wouldnt be investing in him.
One thing that might also help you is to compare to the market in your area...........check the internet, the classifieds, other consigners, and trainers.... this should give you a margin to work within.
As always, a horse is worth what someone is willing to pay you.
Plus minus a bit as the market is slow and already flooded with some absolutely talented horses going for very little.

[2notBrakeTheRules]

Actually I only have had him for less then a year. So no, have not had him for 3 years. He was shown as a 5yr and then the woman who had him before got injured and could not ride anymore.

The trainer pretty much said that once he is in shape, which he is coming along more and more every day, if we get clean x rays of his major joints to show to prospective buyers, that at that point it is pretty much name your price, as he has nicer movement and a better brain then quite a few of the higher priced imported horses that she rode and trained out west.

A 10yr that is by the same sire that was only doing Training level but schooling 1st just sold for $20,000

[Couture TB]

Honestly, I don't really see the problem with a 7yr that is doing Training level and has schooled first. But then again, we don't even back ours until 3 or 4 and since I ride G line Hanos and they tend to mature a little later, it always amazes me that people expect these horses to be shown and trained to the upper levels when they are young, and I guess I consider 7 young.

I would say to listen to your trainer, if the horse has that much talent you don't want to give him away. I just sold an un registered 5yr 3/4 tb 1/4 percheron in Dec for close to $10,000 that had been jumped 3'3 but was out of shape and that was to a big name barn.

[MelantheLLC]

As someone above said, any horse is worth what someone will pay. That said, if he is truly as nice as you make him sound, and has no soundness issues, or vices, I would pay way more than 8-10k.

20k plus, and that's in a buyer's market. The "plus" is totally dependent on his actual movement which can only be judged in person or preliminarily with a video.

If I came across a sound horse of this description and age for anything close to 8k, or even 10k I'd snap him up in a second.

[rabicon]

I'm on the East Coast side and around here if he is what you say he'd go for about 25K. There is a 5 year old just starting training level went to one show this year and is selling for 40K. Nice lines, clean, sane, etc...