TB gurus: What do you think of these lines?

[Carrera]

I am thinking about buying this mare and I want to know some more about her TB lines. I know that I have to take into account her conformation (already done that!) She is approved CSHA, CWHBA, ISR/GOV

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mt+destiny

[vineyridge]

She must be a nice type if she is approved by all those registries.

I don't recognize any of the horses except Mr. P until you get back to the great grandparents. Mt. Magazine was an unraced son of Mr. P, according to PQ. He is in Sport Horse Breed database with one offspring, not this mare. He is not in Paardfokken. Some of the Mr. Ps are great and some are not. I'd like to know why this mare's sire was unraced and put into breeding racehorses, as he definitely was.

B'S Overdraft has excellent sport horse lines. BrambleBug is a daughter of Display by Fair Play, and the dam line has produced excellent horses for generations. Wild Note is the best daughter of Ripper-Do; she was a good racehorse who produced some good racers. Royal Note is from jumping TB lines as well. His sire is Spy Song, who sired GP jumpers, and his dam is sire line the Tetrarch, who is also notable for passing on the jump. Damascus, of course, is the last surviving racing Teddy line in the US, and is noted for the jumping talent that his descendants inherited.

The bottom side is even better. Crozier was one of the great steeplechasing sires in the US, and Madame Jerry, whose pedigree is packed with great sport horse lines, was the dam of the superb race horse Master Derby who won the Preakness and was third in the Belmont. From the race records of his progeny, he sired more than a good number of really hard knocking racers with very large numbers of starts.

Third Brother was a high quality handicap horse who is out of the very great mare Hildene. who was also the dam of First Landing and Hill Prince. She brings Wrack into the bloodlines, and he was a steeplechaser and sire of sires of Chasers. The mare Janina is also packed with sporthorse TB lines, from Asterus, a Teddy son who is found all over WB World, to Confidence, who brings in Ksar as does Crozier, to Jacopo, who brought some of the finest British lines to the United States.

It's a very nice TB pedigree for sport with many generations of horses whose offspring have done well in jumping disciplines. Most of the horses in her pedigree are in Dr. Birdsall's work Bloodlines of Hunters & Jumpers in North America.

[Carrera]

Viney thank you soooo much! I have no clue about TB lines really...

[vineyridge]

Oh, dear. I would have gone on at great length about the Princequillo blood had I known. He has a good inch of offspring in Dr. Birdsall's books, and is from one of the most respected sire lines in European WB breeding. He is known particularly for the wonderful disposition of his get. In one of Dr. Birdsall's articles on sport horse lines, from about 1995, he says that the three most successful lines in AHSA results were Man O'War by Fair Play, Nasrullah, and Princequillo.

Viney thank you soooo much! I have no clue about TB lines really...

[Carrera]

I think that I'll have to find that book! I know that Princequillo in a lot of TB sport lines, but really thats it.

[PineTreeFarm]

Mt Magazine has been high on the USEF eventing sires list for at least three years.

[Foxtrot's]

There are some nice names - My Babu (eventing/jumping) Princequillo, Hildene etc.- enough to cancel out my usual prejudice against Mr Prospector.

[vineyridge]

Mt Magazine has been high on the USEF eventing sires list for at least three years.

Is that information available online? Because I've looked at the USEF leading sires list at their website. It doesn't go back farther than 2007, which lists only 14 horses as page 1 of 1, and he's not there. Nor can I find him in the 2008 eventing sires list which is 14 pages. And if I could find him there, too many of the sires listed are one hit wonders.

[Blue Moon]

Mt. Magazine was an unraced son of Mr. P, according to PQ. ... I'd like to know why this mare's sire was unraced and put into breeding racehorses, as he definitely was.

He may have shown some good potential and then been injured before his first start, who knows. His dam B's Overdraft was a good producer, dam of 3 stakeswinners and another stakes-placed. Perhaps it was felt that he had enough potential to be worth a shot. Or, maybe that was when the Mr. P. frenzy was at its peak and anything with 4 legs and 2 testicles sired by him was put to stud! LOL. (Kinda like Storm Cat nowadays.) Anyway, he was a useful sire, stood in Illinois for a number of years and got a few good winners there. I never heard of anyone breeding to him specifically as a hunter or eventer sire, but maybe one or more of his OTTB kids had some success in those areas.

[PineTreeFarm]

Is that information available online? Because I've looked at the USEF leading sires list at their website. It doesn't go back farther than 2007, which lists only 14 horses as page 1 of 1, and he's not there. Nor can I find him in the 2008 eventing sires list which is 14 pages. And if I could find him there, too many of the sires listed are one hit wonders.

I was given a 'hint' that the online historical data was going to disappear so I downloaded all of it going back to 2004.
The 'short' file from 2007 is a pdf file and is not the entire data set.

[vineyridge]

I was given a 'hint' that the online historical data was going to disappear so I downloaded all of it going back to 2004.
The 'short' file from 2007 is a pdf file and is not the entire data set.

Brief thread hijack--so why is the historical data gone? Are they planning to charge for it? Why would the USEF do something so totally unreasonable and illogical if they want US breeders to breed for performers?

What is WRONG with the USEF?

[PineTreeFarm]

Brief thread hijack--so why is the historical data gone? Are they planning to charge for it? Why would the USEF do something so totally unreasonable and illogical if they want US breeders to breed for performers?

What is WRONG with the USEF?

I think it was more a reorganization of how they queue up data for those lists. Don't read too much into it. I expect they will eventually have the files available again.

Eventing already charges for historical data so there is a precedent although I don't think that's where this is going.

When they use pdf files for year end results it means there has been an 'adjustment' in points.

But back to the OP. There is also a nice hunter sired by Mt Magazine.
'Fern Walk' is a Small Junior Hunter. Last year in the top 20 nationally.