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Hunter Mom
Apr. 27, 2009, 02:41 PM
Reading the thread about the trainer who was at a show schooling in the show ring got me wondering. In that thread, the OP referred to the show as a local circuit show, but a responder called it a schooling show. What is the difference?

I tend to think of a local show as one that is part of a circuit or series of shows with a local governing body, while a schooling show is something put on that doesn't have any cumulative awards, etc. I don't think of either as something affiliated with USEF.

Is there any real definition for these? Are they interchangeable?

theroanypony
Apr. 27, 2009, 02:48 PM
I tend to think of a local show as one that is part of a circuit or series of shows with a local governing body, while a schooling show is something put on that doesn't have any cumulative awards, etc. I don't think of either as something affiliated with USEF.

I've always thought of it as the way you described. I think many people just lump everything that isn't rated into one category.

Janet
Apr. 27, 2009, 03:08 PM
The USEF has a category of USEF recognized show called "Local", which is below "C rated" and exempt from some of the membership requirements.

See GR311 for example.

I personally try to only use the term "Local" when refering to a "USEF-recognozed Local Competition", but lots of other people use it to refer to non-USEF competitions.

To me, "schooling show" is synonymous with "non-USEF-recognized show", whether part of a series or not, whether recognized by a local organization or not.

Trixie
Apr. 27, 2009, 03:13 PM
To me, "schooling show" is synonymous with "non-USEF-recognized show", whether part of a series or not, whether recognized by a local organization or not.

Same. If it's not rated, it's a schooling show. Or a local show. Whichever comes to mind first :)

heartinrye
Apr. 27, 2009, 03:21 PM
Hmm I never knew the difference, but in regards to some horse shows held at my barn this is the difference I see:

Schooling Show/Unrated show: a show that is not governed by USEF OR and local organizations such as CHJA, NEHC, etc.

Local Show is one where it is USEF-affiliated (but not rated) and is recognized by CHJA, NEHC etc.

Our schooling shows are in expensive and offer fewer classes, the 'local' ones have more classes, more people and more fees! Also you are expected to show up dressed as though you were at an A show. Whereas with the schooling shows doing the Eq in a polo is perfectly acceptable.

Dirty Little Secret
Apr. 27, 2009, 03:23 PM
Local to me is one that is recognized by USEF but not an A show. Might be recognized by a local organization. BRHJA, PSJ, NCHJA, GHJA, SCHJA

Schooling is one that is not rated and not recognized.

Open show is one that has several different disciplines.

Hunter Mom
Apr. 27, 2009, 03:31 PM
I suppose it could be different in various areas, too. Where I live, there are not lots & lots of A shows (2 a year an hour from me) and so our local circuits are what a lot of people do, since showing at rated shows involves a longer haul.

KaraAD
Apr. 27, 2009, 05:57 PM
I guess it depends on where you are located ... my area has a pretty strong local horse show association (more than one actually but one in particular)- not rated or recognized by the USEF (but according to the prize list follows the same rules) with end of year awards. I wouldn't call them schooling shows because you are expected to be turned out and dressed like a USEF rated or recognized show. These shows generally don't have rated 3'6" and up divisions (First years, workings, juniors, A/O, Sm, Med, Lg) but have the same other divisions as the rateds (AA, childrens, short, ...)

If someone around here told me a show they were going to was:
a "schooling show" - I would expect it was probably one off held by a particular farm where polo shirts and chaps would be appropriate
a "local show" - I would expect a show recognized by our local horse show association
a "local rated" I would expect USEF recognized but below a C-rated
a "A (B or C) Rated" - I would expect USEF rated

But that could just be my interpretation.

RugBug
Apr. 27, 2009, 06:52 PM
Same. If it's not rated, it's a schooling show. Or a local show. Whichever comes to mind first :)

I categorize slightly differently. If I have to wear my hunt coat, it's local. If I can wear a polo, it's schooling.

The only reason I categorize this way is because there are definitely different levels even among local shows. The shows I run are truly schooling (but we do offer a year end high point award). You can show up in half chaps, jeans, and polo if you so desire. The local circuit is full A show turn out, sans braiding.

indygirl2560
Apr. 27, 2009, 10:23 PM
To me....
-schooling shows are really small, dinky shows where little kids go to learn and really green horses go to get exposure to showing but with a cheaper cost and less hype their first time out
-local shows are usually put on by a local association, but usually have a significant amount of horses and riders attending
-unrated I would put in the local show category

cnvh
Apr. 27, 2009, 10:33 PM
Our barn hosts a winter and summer schooling show series, not rated by anyone, very inexpensive, no fees other than class entry fees, any attire is welcomed but helmets and appropriate footwear are required. There are series-end awards for each division, as well as leading horse, rider, and trainer awards. I suppose you could call it "dinky," but it's not just for little kids; we have all ages of riders, from 5 to 60+, who come out every month. There are lots of us-- grown-ups especially-- who like the concept of "showing" but have neither the time nor the finances to do the rated shows.

With the economy the way it is, I can't even imagine spending hundreds of dollars on one day or weekend of showing... thank goodness for the "dinky" little schooling shows for those of us blue-collar types! :)

grandprixjump
Apr. 27, 2009, 10:54 PM
In the next couple years you will see a HUGE resurgence or the little, local, unrated shows. The cost of showing is CRAZY at the rated. Look how far down the count was at FL this winter.And I don't see the economy getting better for years yet. I'm currently trying to start up a local show series here, and have Addback in almost all classes. Without the nickel and dime-ing people to the point it costs $200 BEFORE the first class. The only other show I currently know of here, has addback in 1 class at each jumper level, and all the other fees too. If I spend $175 to go to this show, you think I will win that much back in an addback class?

Hunter Mom
Apr. 28, 2009, 09:11 AM
GPJ - I think money classes are a huge draw. The shows (local circuit) that I went to this weekend had a $500 Hunter Classic, and there were about 25 horses in it each day. People want to pay for their shows.

I also agree with you that people want to show without hundreds of dollars of fees just to unload your horse. I'd rather go to three or four local shows for the same price of one rated show.

Quin
Apr. 28, 2009, 05:31 PM
I like the distinction several posters made (jacket = local; polo = schooling) but unfortunately it's not enforced consistently.

There are several unrated local association circuits here locally. I think all of them say something along the lines of "appropriate show attire encouraged" but not absolutely required. It looks to me like the riders who are not doing the rated shows do tend to come fully turned out (jackets) while those who also travel to rated shows come in more casually dressed, even in Eq classess. Sometimes REALLY casually dressed (chaps, a hoodie, bling, whatever). A few judges appear to mark down for it but most do not.

The rated show riders and the trainers just there for baby mileage lump them all together as schooling shows. But for the riders who only do the local circuit, it's the real deal - as real as it's ever going to get for most of them. Individual barns or groups do also run what I would consider true schooling shows: in-barn shows, or walk-trot shows. I'd like to see the local circuit shows treated with a little more respect, but unless the local associations and the judges are willing to enforce that, it's not going to happen.

Pirateer
Apr. 28, 2009, 05:44 PM
A/B/C- USEF rated.
Local- USEF Local
Schooling- everything else.

IrishWillow
Apr. 28, 2009, 05:46 PM
[QUOTE=Hunter Mom;4052606]
I tend to think of a local show as one that is part of a circuit or series of shows with a local governing body, while a schooling show is something put on that doesn't have any cumulative awards, etc. I don't think of either as something affiliated with USEF.QUOTE]

Thats pretty much how I think of it.. "schooling" shows are interchangeable with "barn" shows... like some of the barns around here have "summer nights" series and such - those are schooling shows. I consider a "local" show to be part of the local circuit.. multiple barns with a membership required governing body that puts on all shows at different member barns throughout the year. For example, with have the Dallas Hunter Jumper Scholarship Club and the North Texas Hunter Jumper Club around here as our "local" circuit.

I consider 'A' showing anything with the Texas Hunter Jumper Assn in this area.. they generally carry an "A" or "AA" rating.

IrishWillow
Apr. 28, 2009, 05:50 PM
I like the distinction several posters made (jacket = local; polo = schooling) but unfortunately it's not enforced consistently.

There are several unrated local association circuits here locally. I think all of them say something along the lines of "appropriate show attire encouraged" but not absolutely required. It looks to me like the riders who are not doing the rated shows do tend to come fully turned out (jackets) while those who also travel to rated shows come in more casually dressed, even in Eq classess. Sometimes REALLY casually dressed (chaps, a hoodie, bling, whatever). A few judges appear to mark down for it but most do not.

The rated show riders and the trainers just there for baby mileage lump them all together as schooling shows. But for the riders who only do the local circuit, it's the real deal - as real as it's ever going to get for most of them. Individual barns or groups do also run what I would consider true schooling shows: in-barn shows, or walk-trot shows. I'd like to see the local circuit shows treated with a little more respect, but unless the local associations and the judges are willing to enforce that, it's not going to happen.

Exactly. Ok, so yeah, I definitely wear polos at schooling shows. But I'm usually on a 3 or 4 yr old, and its his first show ever, you know? But I still try to look nice at both the schooling and local levels.. I think its very disrespectful to the judge and the show committee to treat their show like its "just a little local show" .. JMO, of course. On the local level, I definitely wear a jacket. I may not go too crazy with the horse grooming or tack cleaning *cough* but I will at least be presentable! ;)