For Compliment?

[Kareen]

So I know 3 For Compliment foals in total. I loved the stallion when I saw him under saddle. All three foals I know (all of which were born on our property so I got to know them pretty darn well) have been really really attractive. Now I'm wondering what everyone else's experience has been with this sire. I don't seem to hear much of him and I wonder if he's being overlooked. Pedigree-wise and based on his own performance under saddle as well as these three foals I know by now I would think he would have a full book and a few hundred offspring by now. Yet I don't see him actively advertised anywhere nor does he seem to be the highlighted flagship in his own stallion station. Does anybody else think this is a real diamond in the breeding shed?

[alexandra]

Kareen, the world is a small one. I think I have not told you: Ann Kitchel bred a filly by him and sold it via Vechta auction last year. Jens -a friend and neighbour of people we both know and one of those that took part in the nice story, but excused himself - bought the filly. The last time I was up there I wanted to visit him and see the filly, but had no time left. But I will try the next time - I am curious.

[alexandra]

Oh and Mary Lou has semen in her tank :-)

[Walnut Farm]

I think due to his pedigree mostly people may wait until under saddle? he himself is a nice looking boy, but with "outcrosses" like that, it may be a bit wait and see type of deal? I dunt know :sadsmile:
Yours are the only ones I have seen on video, and they certainly are nice!

Sincerely LInda

[Kareen]

Outcross? Fidermark x Compliment would seem the epitome of performance and if you refer to his damline both dam and granddam have produced a licensed son and mama even was a show horse (albeit only through her 4yo year afterwards she was bred and the result is said For Compliment who is now a 5yo. So I daresay these dams can't be complete failures. If you go further back this damline is only one generation away from Sandro Hit (who also has a blank zero behind his dam and look what became of him ;) )
Besides Florencio I haven't used any stallion who made three foals like these three I know in a row. Would love to see more of him. If times weren't like they are I would want to retain a filly for my own breeding programme.

[alexandra]

Compliment or better his father Calypso II is known for versatile horses. Calypso bringing into the hanoverian breed some of the nice Holstein frontleg kneeaction. You can very often tell a Calypso from just seeing one. Compliment was for sure a typical Calypso son.
Larome as ar as I know appears in one or the other damline of licensed stallions that are known as used for dressage. But both obviously with their Holstein background are good jumpers. Fidermark is out of question being the best son of Florestan. And interestingly also known for not destroying any jumping talent. So I have to agree to Kareen that For Compliment might be a bit unusual with his Holstein background in the damline but an outcross for me is something different. This pedigree is one more of an athlete than a line up of breeding heroes as such.
I also wish to see more offspring by him to know if what I had and Kareen has by him is an exception- I doubt it and think he is a bit underestimated and underused. He does stand a bit in the shade of the bignames and the flavour of the onth stallions of that station.

And this is my filly of this year:
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http://data.germanhorseconnection.com/03315_Pic1_Firefly.04.26.2.jpg

[ann kitchel]

Alexandra,
I am also curious about the filly I sold to your friends. Please take pictures when you go for your visit. I bred the mare(Dormello-Silvio) to Fuerst Romancier. She is due soon.
I think the For Compliment filly was an improvement on the mare. Very good mover and received a premium award.

[fish]

FWIW, Compliment has sired some amazing show hunters (e.g. see the thread on his gelded son, Hush, in the HJ forum). For hunter movement in particular, Hush is unbeatable-- and pretty fancy over fences, too.

[alexandra]

Really Compliment a hunter sire ? Cool. I have known him quite well, but that his movement was for hunters is not really in my rememberance. But certainly often typey dark bay offspring.

[Kareen]

Does that Compliment son have a Warkant dam and went to the undersaddle licensing at Verden? If so I've known him here in Germany. I can see how he would excell as a hunter. Lovely floating movement and he jumped accordingly. It's a shame both Fidermark and Compliment deceased so early. I loved them both.

[fish]

Does that Compliment son have a Warkant dam and went to the undersaddle licensing at Verden? If so I've known him here in Germany. I can see how he would excell as a hunter. Lovely floating movement and he jumped accordingly. It's a shame both Fidermark and Compliment deceased so early. I loved them both.

Seems likely: dam's name is World of Music. Is that the horse?

Compliment is presently #31 on the leading sires of hunters list, with 4 offspring showing. I haven't seen the others, but Hush is hands down the best hunter mover I've ever seen. He is, indeed, a lovely, typey bay.

[Kareen]

Yes that's him! I saw him as a 4yo and had people interested in him as a hunter. Here he was named Call me Paul. Lovely fellow! The deal fell through due to a finding on the eyes (old scar, nothing active) and he sold a few months later on for nearly double price at the Verden Elite auction to the people who brought him to the US. I have often wondered what had become of him. He seemed so made for the job it was almost freakish to see *LOL*.

[imajacres]

Oh wow Kareen,. I remember Call me Paul, he was THE hunter, I remember him well now. Seems to me, you and I have had our hands on quite a few horses that have come over to USA/Canada later on ( for way more money too, I may add) and been very successful:-)

Anyway, I still have that dose of FC in my tank as well, let me know what you think of the FS mare, or maybe for Spicy?

[Kareen]

You know what that might be a good idea. He threw lovely heads on Alexandra's mare as well as Grace and I can definitely say he has added length of leg and elegance so with Spice's xx on the bottom and her strength from behind that might very well work out lovely.

[Sonnenberg Farm]

Hi Kareen, I am new to the forum but wanted to let you know that we have chosen For Compliment for one of our Dutch mares this year. We will breed her after she foals in June. (she is now in foal to Johnson) We are super excited about the cross! What do you think For Compliment has consistently produced in the foals you have seen/bred?

[Kareen]

Attractive looks and good movement with a lot of rythm and activity from behind. Interestingly PS-staff has referred to him as being their stallion with the best walk of all of them and he clearly attracts me a lot more than SH-son number 269 so to speak because after years and years of seeing foals selling for a lot of $$ by him only to mostly disappear from earth's surface I seriously think one needs to shop for alternatives and it amazes me just how few FC's are around at this point.

[Juniberry]

I have tried For ompliment chilled for ET twice but no sucess but had first time sucess with San Amour. The mare is old and a maiden but For Compliments DSemen although good is not a patch on San Amour.
Has any one else had difficulties with For Compliment getting mares in foal.
I do love him I thought his video was very good for a young stallion.

[RedMare01]

What do you think of FC in comparison to other F-line stallions like Fuerst Romancier? I realize that FR's first foals are just showing up, but FR looks much more elastic to me than FC, whereas FC has the knee action/flashy front end.

Caitlin

[Kareen]

Time must tell. I don't care for Fürst Heinrich therefor FR is not on my list of alternates. The semen quality seemed to be a limiting factor indeed but maybe they have got a grip on that now? At least his frozen seems to work well and I've had no problems getting mares in foal with the chilled semen. We are lucky though not having to drive anywhere but we can breed our mares right here and if fresh semen is needed I'll have someone jump in a car and can get it here from anywhere in northern Germany. That's what husbands have motorbikes for *LOL*

[Dan]

For Compliment is for sale at the next PSI auction. Guess he did not get enough mares.

Dan

[alexandra]

Well - I think not only not enough mares.
What a shame !
I think we need to buy frozen. Both my foals are/were really something special. One will be going to the US.

[left field]

I desperately wanted to use this stallion last year but was advised against it due to semen quality (frozen, in the US). I hope this was a handling problem and not an unsolvable one, as I too remain really curious about him.

It would seem that breeders are using him largely with blood-rich mares to get gorgeous foals. I would like to experiment with more of a type to type cross, as the mare in mind is Regazzoni x Holsteiner (the cross would mesh over Werther and Cor de la Bryere). Has anyone seen any crosses of this nature? I'd like to imagine the resulting foal as a powerhouse mover and super athlete, but maybe someone has actual experience with such foals more resembling mini-Mac trucks! Don't need any more of those…

[RedMare01]

I think there are several people on this forum that have used his frozen successfully. :)

Caitlin

[left field]

I remember that thread, RedMare01, and thus hope that it was not out of line to bring up the reservation! As I was breeding a maiden mare, however, I wanted to keep the unknowns to a minimum, and accordingly went with an older stallion available cooled. Now that I know she is an easy breeder (knocking wood as I type that), I'd be more inclined to take a bit more of a chance, assuming people wiser than I are more positive now about the viability of the frozen. This would seem to be the case, as the stallion is available with Judy Yancey, who is nothing if not honest in her representation of the stallions she brokers.

[RedMare01]

I don't blame you for wanting to make sure before trying something new! Just wanted to make sure you knew there were pregnancies. :yes:

Caitlin