What color is he? Update page 4 - sire results are in

[foxhavenfarm]

My personal mare foaled last night at 11:15, a strapping colt! He is VERY dark except on his rear where he is almost the same color as his sire and we are having a hard time figuring out what color he is...
Sire is Buckskin and dam is Bay. Ok color gurus, what do you think?
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Rowan2009colt020.JPG
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Rowan2009colt014.JPG
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Rowan2009colt017.JPG
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Rowan2009colt012.JPG

Just for reference, this (http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/bucky3days.JPG)is his sire at 3 days old.

[Carrera]

I'd say buckskin!

Very cute!

[SilverSpringFarm]

Any chance of gray? He really looks like a buckskin that is going to go gray. Gray foals of all base colors are usually born very dark.

Here's a photo of a buckskin going-gray foal:

http://www.grullablue.com/colors/foalcolors/gray_buckskin.jpg

And a gray buckskin filly:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lbequ4002/cocosfilly3.jpg?t=1240584034

[Ambrey]

I vote either buckskin or smokey black! What a cutie!

[foxhavenfarm]

Any chance of gray? He really looks like a buckskin that is going to go gray. Gray foals of all base colors are usually born very dark.

Here's a photo of a buckskin going-gray foal:

http://www.grullablue.com/colors/foalcolors/gray_buckskin.jpg

And a gray buckskin filly:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lbequ4002/cocosfilly3.jpg?t=1240584034

Nope, not a chance! Although his sire looks like he may be grey, he is not.

[LaurieB]

I think he's buckskin. :)

[SilverSpringFarm]

Nope, not a chance! Although his sire looks like he may be grey, he is not.

This is the sire, correct?

http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/BuckyatFEH4.jpg

Has his sire actually been tested for gray? He really looks unmistakeably gray and his dam is also listed as being a gray.

[foxhavenfarm]

This is the sire, correct?

http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/BuckyatFEH4.jpg

Has his sire actually been tested for gray? He really looks unmistakeably gray and his dam is also listed as being a gray.

Yes, that is the sire. He is bodyclipped in that picture so he does look grey. He is MUCH darker than that and the hair on his face is not white, it is cream colored. We have not had him tested yet for the grey gene-this is happening this week as well as DNA color testing on the colt so that information will be available soon.

[Nootka]

I agree with Silver... as in the sire (looked at all pics on site and video)

Buckskin going grey.

Foal looks buckskin... he may grey also

[SilverSpringFarm]

Regardless of color, he's downright adorable. He has the cutest head I've ever seen on a TB! Congratulations on the new colt too.

[JB]

IMHO, Bucky IS going gray.

I think the foal will go gray, given how dark his legs are, and right now he's either a sooty buckskin or smoky black.

[foxhavenfarm]

Regardless of color, he's downright adorable. He has the cutest head I've ever seen on a TB! Congratulations on the new colt too.

He he...thank you! I think he has a block head :) thinking about calling him Charlie Brown...

DNA tests will be sent today!

[SilverSpringFarm]

He he...thank you! I think he has a block head :) thinking about calling him Charlie Brown...

His head & eye are almost identical to those of a paint gelding's I use to own... His name, ironically, was Good Man Charlie.

[Daydream Believer]

Bucky does really look gray to me also. Does this foal have any white around his face/eyes? I think dark buckskin also or smokey black but will reserve giving an opinion on whether he's going gray or not.

This is a filly that turned out to be smokey black:

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l215/ssluss/Kifilly5-24-1.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l215/ssluss/Kiowafilly4.jpg

I still have her and this is her adult coat:

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l215/ssluss/Easysummer08.jpg

She is more black in the Spring but by midsummer has faded to that chocolate color.

[foxhavenfarm]

Bucky does really look gray to me also. Does this foal have any white around his face/eyes? I think dark buckskin also or smokey black but will reserve giving an opinion on whether he's going gray or not.


Nope, no white hairs around his eyes at all. He is black black on his head. He does have goldish colored hair inside his ears whick makes me think smokey black also.

The DNA kits are in the mail...so we will know for sure if Bucky is going grey or not. We do not think he is, but the DNA test will tell us for sure. He is even darker brown this spring than he was last year.

[ponygirl]

Congrats! He's very cute. As far as color, I too am going to fall into the "gray" camp for both the colt and the sire. Having a slew of gray foals with a small smattering of bay foals, none of my colored foals had dark legs at birth. They all have had a silver sheen to them. 100% of my "going to be gray foals" had very dark legs with no silver sheen. The caveat here is I have no idea how buckskin presents as a foal. lol

[TrueColours]

I am going to go with a very very dark sooty buckskin. NO way smoky black and I am on the fence with grey. Whether Bucky is or isnt grey, I cant see this colt greying out to be honest

Buckskin's can come in such a wide variety of tones and shades. Here is Blacksaddle Starbuck, a genetically proven buckskin who NO ONE would ever peg as buckskin, just by looking at him ...

http://www.angelfire.com/on3/TrueColoursFarm/images/buckskin-BlacksaddleStarbuck.jpg

He's adorable! Congratulations! :)

[RiddleMeThis]

I personally think 100% this foal is gray and think 100% that your stallion is gray as well.

[Sakura]

Any chance of gray? He really looks like a buckskin that is going to go gray. Gray foals of all base colors are usually born very dark.

Here's a photo of a buckskin going-gray foal:

http://www.grullablue.com/colors/foalcolors/gray_buckskin.jpg

And a gray buckskin filly:

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/lbequ4002/cocosfilly3.jpg?t=1240584034

You have to have one grey parent for a foal to be grey... but the sire does look like he is going grey...

[paintjumper]

Duns do, so I would call him something Dun. Does the sire have the "tiger stripes" on his legs, also a Dun characteristic?

The following is a compilation of information from the books "Horse Color" and "The Horse", along with help from the net.

BUCKSKIN: clear light yellow, tan, sandy, & dark cream horses with *black* points and *without* a dorsal stripe. This is the definition that was used in the old American West. (Genetically buckskin is a cremello-dilution of bay.)
DUN: This is a larger category. It includes:
a) yellow/tan horses with *black* points, *with* a dorsal stripe (Genetically a dun-dilution of bay.)
b) yellow/tan horses with *non-black* points, with or without a dorsal stripe. (In practice these horses usually have a dorsal stripe anyway.) The dorsal stripe can be any shade. (Genetically a dun-dilution or a cremello-dilution of chestnut.)
Note that yellow/tan horses with *black* points are buckskin if they don't have a dorsal stripe, and dun if they do. (To remember this, think of "buck skin" -- deer don't have dorsal stripes. Or think of D=dun=dorsal.) Horses with yellow/tan coat colors and *non-black* points used to all be called "duns" regardless of the stripe. However, the new AQHA rulings mean that horses with non-black points without the stripe will be called buckskin rather than dun.

The body color can be of different shades. For horses with *black* points, without dorsal stripes (if the horse has a stripe just change "buckskin" to "dun"):

Dark or smokey buckskin = head and neck and rump a very dark brown, with more yellowing on the belly. (Caused by black hairs being mixed in with the yellow, the smutty Sty gene.) Definitely not grulla. Called "coyote dun" if there's a dorsal stripe.
Dusty buckskin = yellow-brown body color.
Peanut butter buckskin-just like it sounds-sort of a orange-tan buckskin with black points.
Golden buckskin = the classic golden color with black points.
Oatmeal buckskin = a shade just lighter than golden, with darker hairs on the rump and neck. But it isn't oatmeal color at all. ("Zebra dun" if striped.)
Silver or creamy buckskin = very pale gold, almost cream body color, with black points.
For horses with *non-black* points:

Lilac dun -- an unusual rosy color with brown points, hazel eyes, and no dorsal stripe. (Cremello-dilution of a chocolate brown horse.)
Muddy dun -- pale brownish red with brown points and head, and a brown stripe. (Dun-dilution of a chocolate brown horse.)
Red dun -- very washed out red or yellowish-red bodies with brown, red or flaxen points. Usually with dorsal stripe. The legs and head are usually a darker shade of red than the body (unlike sorrel, which can have the same body color but pale legs. Also a sorrel wouldn't have a dorsal stripe). Variations in body shade are called "orange dun", "apricot dun", etc.
Yellow dun -- yellow/tan body with non-black points. May have dorsal stripe, or may not. With brown points, often called "claybank dun".

[RiddleMeThis]

Buckskins can have a dorsal stripe and NOT be dun. Duns MUST have a dorsal stripe or they are not dun.

These horses are TB's there is NO dun in thoroughbreds.

[aurum]

I eat my hat if that buckskin stallion is not also grey and the foal I would say is black going grey.

[Kenike]

I say sooty buckskin, maybe smoky black (the ears). Sire may be going grey, but the foal doesn't look that way to me....(again, the ears)

[Ensign]

I eat my hat if that buckskin stallion is not also grey and the foal I would say is black going grey.

Agreed, not sure how anyone could not think this horse is grey:

http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Buckyright2Oct2608.jpg

[didgery]

I eat my hat if that buckskin stallion is not also grey and the foal I would say is black going grey.:lol::yes:

[foxhavenfarm]

Agreed, not sure how anyone could not think this horse is grey:

http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Buckyright2Oct2608.jpg

He's BODYCLIPPED in that picture. ALL buckskins look grey when they are bodyclipped. Here (http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Bucky%20002.JPG)is a picture taken last week.

[JB]

He's BODYCLIPPED in that picture. ALL buckskins look grey when they are bodyclipped.
Sorry, no, they don't ;) A lighter one is more likely to look "gray" than a darker one, sure, but not by any means to *all* buckskins look gray when clipped.

Here (http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Bucky%20002.JPG)is a picture taken last week.100% going gray ;)

In this picture
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Buckyright2Oct2608.jpg
his tail is a dead give-away, even if nothing else were (like his whole body). It's the typical yellowing at the bottom that is common in a horse going gray. Why isn't it still black like a buckskin's should be? ;)

[aurum]

Sorry but its not true that a bodyclipped buckskin is looking like THIS one! I do have several buckskins of all sorts of shade and NONE does look like a true grey - as this one does! - once body clipped. Too bad I never took a picture.

Buckskins body clipped do only get much lighter but are still GOLDEN creamy and not grey like your horse. Bays for example when body clipped do often look like buckskins. The color is just getting lighter but does not look grey. It is very obvious that this stallion IS grey and I do not understand why this is such a big NO NO to admit the truth. Your DNA test will show that he is grey. And I bet the foal will grey out too.

I know that some years ago when he was still a baby there was already a thread about him being a buckskin going grey.

[Blue Moon]

My personal mare foaled last night at 11:15, a strapping colt! He is VERY dark except on his rear where he is almost the same color as his sire and we are having a hard time figuring out what color he is...

Black or smoky black plus grey. I'd bet on the smoky black.

[foxhavenfarm]

It is very obvious that this stallion IS grey and I do not understand why this is such a big NO NO to admit the truth. Your DNA test will show that he is grey. And I bet the foal will grey out too.

I know that some years ago when he was still a baby there was already a thread about him being a buckskin going grey.

Yes, there was a thread about him possibly being grey when he was a yearling. Funny thing is, he hasn't changed color much since then...

It isn't such a big NO NO to "admit the truth" as you put it. If he IS grey we will be the first to admit it. We just don't think he is. He IS buckskin, however and that fact is irrefutable. Whether he carries the grey gene still remains to be seen.

[whbar158]

me of them just take forever to change colors, when I was younger I actually rode a horse that looked the exact same color as your stud, and changed very little color until she was like 10 and finally changed and looked more grey. If he isn't going grey then you have one cool colored buckskin! But I really think he is grey.

[JB]

We just don't think he is.

May I ask why you feel so strongly he's not gray?

When you look at this, with VERY dark legs as a 3 day old
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/bucky3days.JPG
to this at 6 months
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/buckytrot3.JPG
to this in 6/06
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/buckyfacejune1.JPG
to this in 6/07
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Buckyfront1june20.JPG
to this in 4/08
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Bucky7April30.jpg
to 10/08
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Buckyright2Oct2608.jpg
it's very, very clear he is going gray.

Very.

[SilverSpringFarm]

This is a gray palomino QH stallion I owned. By a gray sire and out of a palomino dam. I purchased him as a yearling. He is 11 years old here:

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/pictures/gphoto-g152113.html

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/pictures/gphoto-g154714.html

As a yearling most of his body was a dark mealy/sooty color, very similar to your boy's body color. The pattern of light hairs on his face was almost identical to your boy's as well.

As you can see, he never grayed out to be "white". He always had a very significant cream tint to his coat. The fact that Bucky's light hairs are cream colored really doesn't rule out gray. Gray does really strange things to single dilutes.

[Nootka]

how long does it take to get test results back?

He looks like he is going grey.... clipped or unclipped

[katerenee]

Grey or Buckskin.... both my favorite colors so either way lucky you!!! He is lovely in a silver or gold wrapper!

[foxhavenfarm]

how long does it take to get test results back?

He looks like he is going grey.... clipped or unclipped

Honestly, I don't know how long it will take. Going to UC Davis from Florida, the paperwork will take several days to get there...then we wait for the actual test to be done.

If he is grey, he will no longer be standing at stud here. We have some excellent foals by him, but we really did not intend to breed greys. It is also possible he will be gelded and sold as a show prospect. We definitely don't need two stallions now anyway as we are not breeding any of our own mares in the current economy-but that's another thread.:)

[foxhavenfarm]

to 10/08
http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Buckyright2Oct2608.jpg
it's very, very clear he is going gray.

Very.

Does he look more or less gray in this (http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Bucky%20002.JPG) picture? Because it was taken last week...

Yes, it is possible he is gray. That is why we have sent out the DNA test. Call it wishful thinking or whatever, but he is still buckskin. He does carry the dilute gene and this we know for a fact.

[caevent]

I hate to say it, but in that most recent pic, he definitely looks gray! Look at all the gray in his tail. I've never seen a buckskin with that color tail. He certainly seems to be graying out slowly - he'll probably have gorgeous dapples as a 7 year old. I say geld and send to the show ring! Although, I say that for almost any horse I see anyway.:D

[Snaffle Bit]

Yes, he is definitely a buckskin; he can't be anything else with a cremello as a sire, but he is also clearly a gray. I don't see anything wrong with that. He still has a chance to have non-gray foals with the cream gene and I personally still think he's quite a nice Thoroughbred myself.

Why would you geld him just because he has gray as well as a cream gene?:confused: It doesn't change his quality or how nice his foals are. Its just color, the 'icing on the cake', not the cake itself.

[RiddleMeThis]

Does he look more or less gray in this (http://www.foxhavenfarminc.com/images/Bucky%20002.JPG) picture? Because it was taken last week...
Even if I ONLY saw that picture I would say it was gray. I wouldnt even be 100% sure to say a BASE COLOR based on that one lone picture. I would lean towards bay, but wouldnt be surprised if he was ANYTHING underneath that gray.

[Nootka]

There are quite a few stallions that are great to choose from. I personally will never choose a grey stallion no matter how great he is or his base color. I have seen way too many die from Melanoma.

If you want a dilute foal most arn't going to take that chance (50/50) of the foal greying out. You are already taking a chance not getting a dilute in general when breeding to a single dilute. Then, another if he is grey. It is hard these days to get breedings for stallions in general. Why make him live the stallion life if he isn't going to be used that much?

[RiddleMeThis]

Has more color than your boy still, but this one is going gray and reminds me a bit of your boy.

http://www.caspianhorse.com/2004/leap11.jpg

[JB]

Obviously it's up to the owner to decide whether to geld or not.

However, I would first offer him for sale as a stallion if you decide you really don't want to stand an (obviously ;)) gray stallion.

Gelding a nice stallion for reasons of color is almost as bad as keeping a lesser quality stallion whole *because of* his color ;) Almost ;)

If he's nice, he's nice, no matter his color. LOTS of people LOVE gray, want to find homozygous gray stallions, love the thought of getting gray.

A friend of mine just had a beautiful filly born with very cool face markings, and is so excited that she's going to gray out :lol:

[Blonde Filly]

Nope, not a chance! Although his sire looks like he may be grey, he is not.

I was going to say grey too!!! Now why do you say your stallion is NOT grey..I've never seen a buckskin look like your guy..he was born buckskin, but appears to have greyed out...did you have him tested as a buckskin with DNA? IF so is he a silver buckskin or something like that? :confused: Quick's dam was grey so why could he NOT be grey now? TIA

Just read back a few pages and I have to agree...SORRY..but he is GREY..I do think it is wishful thinking. I had a steel grey gelding who is now 34 years old the I've had since he was 4 years old and his "steel" shade of grey stayed for many, many years with him like 8 or so..this is all you are seeing is the darkness of his dark/buckskin born color..but geneticly he is grey and I think if you are standing him at stud as a buckskin without DNA to back up buckskin you are misleading yourself as well as your clients that they are breeding to a buckskin, when in fact he is a grey. I have to agree with Gwen...eat my hat if the DNA says he is not a grey. Even from foal photos I've always thought your colt would grey out and he was out of a grey mare.

Will be waiting patiently for the DNA results!!!

I wish for you he was a buckskin..but I just don't think so!!! Sorry!

[RiddleMeThis]

I was going to say grey too!!! Now why do you say your stallion is NOT grey..I've never seen a buckskin look like your guy..he was born buckskin, but appears to have greyed out...did you have him tested as a buckskin with DNA? IF so is he a silver buckskin or something like that? :confused: Quick's dam was grey so why could he NOT be grey now? TIA

Just read back a few pages and I have to agree...SORRY..but he is GREY..I do think it is wishful thinking. I had a steel grey gelding who is now 34 years old the I've had since he was 4 years old and his "steel" shade of grey stayed for many, many years with him like 8 or so..this is all you are seeing is the darkness of his dark/buckskin born color..but geneticly he is grey and I think if you are standing him at stud as a buckskin without DNA to back up buckskin you are misleading yourself as well as your clients that they are breeding to a buckskin, when in fact he is a grey. I have to agree with Gwen...eat my hat if the DNA says he is not a grey. Even from foal photos I've always thought your colt would grey out and he was out of a grey mare.

Will be waiting patiently for the DNA results!!!

I wish for you he was a buckskin..but I just don't think so!!! Sorry!

Even if he IS gray (and Im 100% positive he is) he is STILL buckskin. Just as a chestnut gone gray is still chestnut. They are all just gray in addition to their base color.

[JB]

Still a 25% chance of him passing on his cream gene without the gray gene.

He IS buckskin. He's ALSO gray. ALL horses who are gray are ALSO a base color - gray just covered it up.

[didgery]

Test result update?

[Blacktree]

Yes, I'd love to hear what the test results are, too!

He's a great looking guy no matter what color he is, but now I'm curious. :)

[foxhavenfarm]

No results yet. I put a hold on the colt's test until we get the results on his sire's gray test. UC Davis received them yesterday and they say 5-10 days. Waiting...:)

[summerhorse]

I personally think 100% this foal is gray and think 100% that your stallion is gray as well.

Me too. The sire is absolutely grey and the foal looks grey too. What else the foal is may have to be tested for as he is so dark. His real color is probably hidden and may or may not make an appearance. He's cute though, whatever he is under there.

[FrenchFrytheEqHorse]

I have to say, I know nothing about color genetics, and have never bred a horse in my life, but that is a grey horse if I've ever seen one! I am eagerly awaiting the DNA results, as this is becoming quite the thriller!

[trakehner013]

He is very cute!

[Blonde Filly]

I have to say, I know nothing about color genetics, and have never bred a horse in my life, but that is a grey horse if I've ever seen one! I am eagerly awaiting the DNA results, as this is becoming quite the thriller!

I'd have to agree, he was born a buckksin and is now a grey. But all greys even grey to grey is born black not grey and that does not make them a black horse later once they shed and give you their true color. Hope they don't keep you waiting too much longer!!! This reminds me of a colt years ago and the people kept saying he was palomino and he was as grey as your guy and kept throwing grey offspring..well a palomino to a chestnut can't throw a grey horse. He was by Amoretto a grey stallion out of a palomino mare and was born palomino....I think by 10 years old they accepted he was a grey..or maybe then didn't..the horse disappeared after several grey foals. :confused:

[ljshorses]

Well I have to say, it's not always clear if they are grey or not. My daughter's Welsh Cob cross large pony is a perfect example. I posted pics of her on here and almost everyone said grey, but the DNA results were palomino. In fact, even when I said that she was by a cremello and out of a bay, I still had people say, nope she's a grey, lol. So just playing devil's advocate here. It may be best to wait for the DNA results because pictures sometimes can lie. I personally have no idea but would agree he "looks" to be turning grey. Here are some pics of our palomino filly. Two pics are early spring after body clipping and the other 3 were late summer. She was a year old. We are waiting for her to shed out right now to see what color she will "look" like, but we already know genetically what color she "is".

[alliekat]

WOW ljshorses what a cutie!!!

[ljshorses]

WOW ljshorses what a cutie!!!

Thankyou allikat, we hope to train her to drive. She is now 2yo.

[JB]

Well I have to say, it's not always clear if they are grey or not.

You're right, it's not always clear :)

It's clear in this case however :)

[RiddleMeThis]

But all greys even grey to grey is born black not grey and that does not make them a black horse later once they shed and give you their true color. Ummm WHAT?! All grays are NOT born black. I can show you HUNDREDS born CHESTNUT. Hell Gem Twist is a CHESTNUT gone gray, and his clone (and him) were born CHESTNUT and not in ANY way black.

[TrueColours]

But all greys even grey to grey is born black not grey and that does not make them a black horse later once they shed and give you their true color.

Where DO you get this crap from Bridget??? :rolleyes: :lol: :rolleyes:

I, too, have seen dozens / hundreds / thousands that are born bay, chestnut, black, palomino, buckskin, etc

Where is it written that all grey horses were born black??? :confused:

I posted pics of her on here and almost everyone said grey, but the DNA results were palomino. In fact, even when I said that she was by a cremello and out of a bay,

LOVELY LOVELY youngster for sure ... and really - DNA doesnt show her being grey at all???

I'll be darned ... :)

[ljshorses]

LOVELY LOVELY youngster for sure ... and really - DNA doesnt show her being grey at all???

I'll be darned ... :)[/QUOTE]

Nope, grey not possible. Neither parent grey. Will post pics when she sheds out this spring.

[aurum]

My mare Panachee was looking like that when she was a foal. No grey involved. But they look like ashes. Later they become dark palominos, well Panachee did.

[foxhavenfarm]

Well the results are back and what everyone thought was correct. QuickGoldBucks *is* grey. We are not too surprised as we knew going into it that there was a 50/50 chance when we purchased him. It makes our decision to sell him a bit easier, however.

I'm not even going to go ahead with the colt's test now. I'll just assume he is grey.

Now to come up with a name for the little stinker...:winkgrin:

[didgery]

Thanks for the update! I'm glad that you are at peace with the news - he's still a lovely horse, no matter what his color, and he will make someone very happy if you sell him!

Your colt is darling. You could call him Quicksilver.

[Nlevie]

But, as others have said - even though your horse is genetically grey, he is also a base color ? And that may very well be busckskin. Someone may still want to breed a grey horse if the base color is desirable, because they only have a 50% chance of the grey being passed on. (unless he is homozygous for grey - but that would only happen if BOTH parents are grey) The base color is still there NO matter what ? There is definitely some confusion on this board - as with most color genetics.

[sniplover]

Nlevie - her stallion must be grey + buckskin b/c he a) was sired by a cremello and b) has sired dilute foals out of non-dilute mares and c) only 1 of 4(?) foals have turned grey... making him bay-based with creme (1 copy) and grey (1 copy) thrown in for good measure.

[SilverSpringFarm]

But, as others have said - even though your horse is genetically grey, he is also a base color ? And that may very well be busckskin. Someone may still want to breed a grey horse if the base color is desirable, because they only have a 50% chance of the grey being passed on. (unless he is homozygous for grey - but that would only happen if BOTH parents are grey) The base color is still there NO matter what ? There is definitely some confusion on this board - as with most color genetics.

Several people on this thread have already stated that his base coat is 100% buckskin. His sire is a cremello so there is absolutely no other option.

(That is... unless he's a super sooty palomino like this guy here.)

http://www.mindspring.com/~morgans/mineralsjustingold1.JPG

But I seriously doubt that.

[Blacktree]

foxhaven, Thanks for the update - sorry the results weren't what you were hoping for. He's a beautiful boy though, no matter what color he is.

Your colt is darling. You could call him Quicksilver.

I like this!

[foxhavenfarm]

Thank you all for the kind words about the stallion. He is lovely in every way, but since we are downsizing anyway and are DEFINTELY keeping our other stallion (he is my heart horse) we are hoping someone will love him as much as we do.

I like Quicksilver too, unfortunately that name is already taken per the Jockey Club. I'm leaning towards Brightsilver or Bright Silver Buck.

The colt is defintely going to be a handful! He thinks I am his own personal toy and I am going to have to nip that in the bud before it becomes an issue...he is a troublemaker for sure, but he is cute! :winkgrin:

[foxhavenfarm]

But, as others have said - even though your horse is genetically grey, he is also a base color ? And that may very well be busckskin. Someone may still want to breed a grey horse if the base color is desirable, because they only have a 50% chance of the grey being passed on. (unless he is homozygous for grey - but that would only happen if BOTH parents are grey) The base color is still there NO matter what ? There is definitely some confusion on this board - as with most color genetics.

Yes, his base color is undeniably buckskin. And he is not homozygous for grey as he has produced two buckskins and a bay so far.