"Lightweight" pony stallion suggestions

[Molly Malone]

Looking for suggestions for a "lightweight" pony stallion around 13.2 ish. Registration options not important. Mare has lots of bone and is 15hh. Offspring will, ideally, be an all rounder and from 14.1 - 15hh max for a forever home. If there was a 13.2 TB stallion, that would be what owner would like to breed to. Crossbreds or purebreds, but ideally stallion will only be a cross bred of two (ie not a multiple bred stallion. Does that make sense?).

Owner likes Welsh ponies but is worried about foal being too substantial (I'm not convinced it would be. Mare reminds me of an old fashioned warmblood).

I have come up with Triple Hill and Shoponi (? although will there be too much bone there?).

Any other suggestions gratefully received.:)

[VirginiaBred]

British Riding Ponies are what you are looking for, and there are some in that size range.
Robin Greenwood's Romany River Talisman (http://www.hunterponies.com/detail_stallions/toby.htm) is 14.0, Jacket's Man of the Road is 14.1 1/2 for starters but I know there are several smaller.

There are the two 13.1 stallions Rhoson Pasiant or Stockham Commander M that Morton Stables stands.

[Molly Malone]

So British Riding Ponies are not bred in the same way as GRPs? By which I mean, they are not bred to be small warmbloods, but small horses?

Rosedale Top Cat is a very nice BRP (Rhoson Pasiant is a personal favorite of mine).

Thank you!

[quicksilverponies]

Rhoson Pasiant and Stockham Commander M are both lovely, but they are Welsh Sec. Bs - not British Riding Ponies. I would also suggest my own stallion, Lands End Adagio, who is very refined, although he has good bone - he has consistently refined every mare bred to him so far. He is 13.1hh and has an outstanding pedigree, conformation, movement and in-hand show record.

[Sugarbrook]

You might just look at my Sugarbrook Blue Pacific. He is 13.2. View his pictures on my website www.sugarbrook.com. Not really sure what you are looking for, but he sure does make a pretty foal!!!

[quicksilverponies]

I second that! I have seen Sugarbrook Blue Pacific and his babies in person and they are all lovely - and he is proving that they can perform at the top levels!

[horsechica58]

I sent you a PM :)

[Dune]

Wicked Court Jester just might fit the bill. :yes:

[Dressage_Diva333]

I second Rosedale Top Cat and Wicked Courtjester :)

[VirginiaBred]

According to the OP's request, I suggested two BRP (and still think the BRP refinement is exactly what you are asking for) and two welsh prospects in her requested size range that are pure welsh and also of the refinement she is seeking. I'm sure there are others!

Regarding the question of the difference in build between BRP and GRP, yes there is a difference in build.

[Windswept Stable]

I do not know the registry standards--perhaps someone can pipe in-- What breeds are accepted into the BRP books? As the op did not want more than 2 breeds in the stallion mix?

If mare is old fashioned in type-- I would breed Like to Like-- just my opinion.

Too bad for the size requirement--sounds like my boy- Empire's Power would be a great with her--although we could not offer any downsize. And the Welsh K registry accepted 3 breeds into the registry.

[Molly Malone]

Thank you for the suggestions.

The mare is of unknown breeding, so the owner is worried that there might be height or draft or whathaveyou in the background which is why she doesn't want a GRP. BRP bloodlines from the three suggested look like they aren't bred in the same way as GRPs, so might be a good option.

Blue Pacific is lovely! He should definitely make the short list.

Wicked Court Jester is a New Forrest pony, isn't he? That's an interesting thought.

[Dune]

:cool:

Too bad for the size requirement--sounds like my boy- Empire's Power would be a great with her--although we could not offer any downsize.

I would've recommended your boy too, IF she hadn't stipulated the size requirement. :yes::winkgrin:



Wicked Court Jester is a New Forrest pony, isn't he? That's an interesting thought.

Yes, he is and a very nice size/type, does well on a variety of mares too.

[pwynnnorman]

Because you indicated a desire for an "all-rounder," I'd suggest looking into something with Downland blood--ideally a "double dose" (top and bottom), which you might find in a BRP (but I don't know any off-hand).

I recommend that line because if you look around the world, not just this country, you're going to find a lot of that blood being used to refine and sharpen up stock. Moreover, if you study the line, you'll see not only Thoroughbred blood in it (although it's "purebred" welsh, technically), but also the Thoroughbred phenotype: Longer backed, long necked, longer in the leg and hip, quicker, more responsive. Those last two are perhaps biased generalizations, but again, if you look at breeders around the world and what they say about the Downland lines, I think you'll find a few agreeing with me. To me, that says a lot.

Moreover, I believe what the Dowland program has produced over the years has a lot more "range" of motion in movement and carriage than your classic American hunter pony--if only because the line has not been as specialized, the blood not as concentrated (for the hunter type). I'm NOT saying that there's anything wrong with the classic hunter pony, just saying that it IS a "classic type." When you see it, you can't miss that it IS a hunter pony.

The Downland, however, seems to be able to use its topline in a more versatile way: going long and low (with a lowered knee and less articulated joints) with one type of ride or conditioning/training; going higher and more energized and articulated under a different type of handle. And, IMO, most impressively, the long back, long neck and range of motion gives you tremendous stride and reach. Lastly, many of the boys in the line throw the type and traits quite, quite consistently.

The minus to the line might be that few are in that size range you seek, but if you a search for "downland pony stallion" you'll find quite a few are out there (Adagio, already mentioned here) is one of them.

[VirginiaBred]

.............. if you look at breeders around the world and what they say about the Downland lines, I think you'll find a few agreeing with me. To me, that says a lot.

Moreover, I believe what the Dowland program has produced over the years has a lot more "range" of motion in movement and carriage than your classic American hunter pony--if only because the line has not been as specialized, the blood not as concentrated (for the hunter type). I'm NOT saying that there's anything wrong with the classic hunter pony, just saying that it IS a "classic type." When you see it, you can't miss that it IS a hunter pony.

The Downland, however, seems to be able to use its topline in a more versatile way: going long and low (with a lowered knee and less articulated joints) with one type of ride or conditioning/training; going higher and more energized and articulated under a different type of handle. And, IMO, most impressively, the long back, long neck and range of motion gives you tremendous stride and reach. Lastly, many of the boys in the line throw the type and traits quite, quite consistently.

The minus to the line might be that few are in that size range you seek, but if you a search for "downland pony stallion" you'll find quite a few are out there (Adagio, already mentioned here) is one of them.


Which is why I recommended Rhoson Pasiant. :yes:

[Summerwood]

There is also *Downland Rembrandt, who is 13.1. He has some really nice foals and is not really heavy boned.

http://www.glenhavenwelsh.com/section_b_welsh.htm

[unbridledoaks]

I really like *Downland Rembrandt's Get. He has produced some lovely animals and I can say that they are very nice to work with.

[Sakura]

Would a small Arabian (http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g278/Copperleaf/ShenandoahClassicStrongCanter.jpg) be out of the question? Otherwise I would also recommend the Downland bred stallions that are standing at Glenhaven... I bred my Arabian mare to Suzanne's Downland Condor because he was a two inch shorter version of my Arabian stallion (the one in the link)... I wanted a super cute Half Arabian to show in the Arabian Sport Horse venue as well as open :).

[Molly Malone]

There is also *Downland Rembrandt, who is 13.1. He has some really nice foals and is not really heavy boned.

http://www.glenhavenwelsh.com/section_b_welsh.htm



Oh my goodness. How cute is Glenhaven Jordi?

[Kenike]

It's too bad Lotus is not here any longer. He would've been another great one to add to the list. He put some VERY refined and nice babies on the ground.

But I have to echo the BRP suggestions. They usually refine and do exactly what the OP wanted. Some GRP's do, too, but it seems less consistent because of how they are bred. At least that's what I've seen (limited though, I readily admit)

I like Download Rembrandt's get. He might be another good one to look at.

[Lesley Feakins]

Dune and Dressage Divi333 - thank you for suggesting Wicked Courtjester.

He has been bred to a large variety of mares both pony mares and full size mares...Warmbloods, TB, QH, Welsh and Welsh cross, Arabian and the unknown. I don't know how he does it but his foals are fairly uniformed. Most of the time, when breeders send me the foals photos, I know what I going to sell before I open the email LOL!

I wish I had more time to update our web site with pics of some of his older and under saddle offspring...some day soon hopefully I will get that done. He is all pony...so there is no hidden surprises when it comes to size.

[Summerwood]

Oh my goodness. How cute is Glenhaven Jordi?
Yes he is. Did you check out Vimpenney Sweet Sultan ? He is of course too small and too much of a chunk for what you want, but I would like to snatch him up and take him home :). He almost looks fake he has such a pretty head!

[lovemyrobin]

British Riding Ponies are what you are looking for, and there are some in that size range.
Robin Greenwood's Romany River Talisman (http://www.hunterponies.com/detail_stallions/toby.htm) is 14.0, Jacket's Man of the Road is 14.1 1/2 for starters but I know there are several smaller.

There are the two 13.1 stallions Rhoson Pasiant or Stockham Commander M that Morton Stables stands.

I definitely agree. We have a Jackets Man of the Road son and he is the bomb. Beautiful, refined, very rideable, excellent personality and so easy to handle. I have spoken with his original breeder and trainer and they both love the babies that came from this sire.

[Sakura]

Yes he is. Did you check out Vimpenney Sweet Sultan ? He is of course too small and too much of a chunk for what you want, but I would like to snatch him up and take him home :). He almost looks fake he has such a pretty head!

Vimpenney Sweet Sultan looks cute enough to be a plush toy... Here is a photo (http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g278/Copperleaf/Sultan.jpg) my husband got of him last June and another (http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g278/Copperleaf/SultanShake.jpg) :).

[DARQHORSE]

Rory.

http://www.mandmconnemaras.com/stallion.htm

[showponies]

I have 2 Rhoson Pasiant grandsons and LOVE them. One is a 2yr old that will be 14.1 plus o/f an Irish thbd mare. GREAT temperments, very child/am friendly.

[Vintage Hills]

How about Rosslyn Pearl Fischer. He is in Aiken, SC. He moves great! I have seen personally many of his lovely foals. He has a 4yr. old starting to show now and it is sooo quiet! I believe he is 13.1? I can get you the owners number if you wish.
Good Luck!

[Vintage Hills]

Also I own a Rhoson Pasiant grandson that we have kept as a stallion! He is absolutely fabulous. But we are not collecting him yet.

[Winsock]

If you are in the area, you should come take a look at Romany River Talisman. He is a wonderful pony and beautiful too! We leased him for the 2009 season and we are offering free collections and on-site artificial insemination. This is a huge savings for breeders!

www.willowhillequestrian.com

Willow Hill Equestrian, Ltd
Gordonsville, VA

[VirginiaBred]

How about Rosslyn Pearl Fischer.

I like him also! How old is he now? I lost track of him after he left Virginia.

[cottagefarm]

I would suggest Wicked Court Jester also. He has had several offsping out of cros bred mares that have stayed pony size.
here is my WCJ out of a Trak mare

[quicksilverponies]

Winsock, Toby is absolutely lovely. I am so glad you and Tommy decided to lease him and stand him this year. Best of luck with him.