ProAdd Ultimate?

[FlashGordon]

Has anyone used this?

http://www.prognutrition.com/paultimatediet.html

It looks like an extremely dense RB. Searched COTH but didn't find any feedback.

Right now the only RB I can find locally is Blue Seal Sunshine (if that qualifies) and Purina Enrich 32. Everything else I have to special order. So if I am ordering anyway, I thought about going back to the Progressive.

[EqTrainer]

I tried it and it made my white horse CRAZZZZZYYYYY.

But then again, it has flax in it, which I have always suspected made him a nut.

Take it FWIW, he and Win are two totally different horses.

I do have a client who uses the other one - more concentrated than what I use, less than this one - and her horse does great on it.

[LMH]

Is that the one that uses animal fat in it??

Not that I find that to be the devil but I recall something about that and some people don't like feeding animal fat to horses.

[FlashGordon]

Welllll maybe I will stick with the Grass Balancer then! At least I know that one is ok....!

And, ew, animal fat?? really?

[LMH]

DON'T quote me on that-I may be thinking of something else-but that is just sticking in my mind.

Hopefully someone can confirm or correct me?

[Kolsch]

I've been feeding it for a few months two of my horses. Their insanity level has remained constant. :)

They each get 1/2# of the ProAdd, 1/2C Omega Horseshine daily, with grass hay. Since starting my Anglo/Trak on it I was able to remove 4# daily of "grain" and have seen his topline increase. The QH/Perch/TB cross looks the same and keeps the same no matter what I feed him. (never very much)

Anglo/Trak is worked approx 1 hour daily, four/five days a week, low level dressage, is trailered frequently for schooling/lessons/shows. The other is just starting work after the winter off.

ProAdd does contain egg- link to ingredients here:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/docs/docDownload.aspx?guid=1A5671E1-5414-4558-A8F3-ED870B5B7452&webtag=ProgNutrition

I'm not concerned about the egg.


I'm withholding judgement until after their winter coats shed out. Hoof growth has been excellent. What I really like about it so far is that I can meet their needs with 1/2# of product daily.

[LarkspurCO]

I tried the Pro-Ad Ultimate but then the feed store wanted $45 for a 25-lb bag, so that ended the experiment for me. I didn't see any change one way or the other for the horse that got it, and he went back to the regular Progressive grass formula (which also has flax).

I don't recall there being animal fat in it, but it does have whey proteins. The Progressive ulcer formula I use has some weird ingredients. They just updated the ingredients list (same formula, new label). The old label stated "animal protein products" among other things, but the new list has "animal plasma" (huh?) in the ingredients list.

[Waterwitch]

I switched to Ultimate about a month ago (was feeding the free-choice Forage-Pro). I have the label right here in front of me and there is no animal fat in it (there is whey and egg protein though).

Ingredients: Soy Protein Isolate, Potato Protein, Flaxseed, Whey Protein Concentrate, Dried Whey, Egg Product, Monocalcium Phosphate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, L-Lysine, DL-Methionine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, Soybean Oil, ...(and then the usual minerals....., vitamins..., yeast culture, natural flavors).

I like it so far. Everyone but my pregnant mare is getting 1 lb (2x 8 oz cups) a day (the broodie gets 1.5 lb). I like the minimal volume and the varied protein sources. Also, I was pleased that there were none of the palatability issues you sometimes have with very concentrated forumulas - everybody cleans it up.

[LMH]

Egg...that must have been what I was thinking of...

thanks for posting the ingredients

[LMH]

I tried it and it made my white horse CRAZZZZZYYYYY.

But then again, it has flax in it, which I have always suspected made him a nut.




The grass formula also has flax.;)

[Kolsch]

If you do have it shipped in, the shipping is much cheaper per # for 50# than 25#.

[EqTrainer]

The grass formula also has flax.;)

I don't feed him the grass formula. And a double ;);) to you!

[LMH]

I don't feed him the grass formula. And a double ;);) to you!


LOLOLOLOL

So which one do you feed!

[EqTrainer]

LOLOLOLOL

So which one do you feed!

That particular *horse* usually gets nothing but aminos and minerals and lots of hay. I have always wondered if it was the soy in the RB that makes him a nut or the flax... finally I got to mess around w/it, and it is either BOTH or it's the flax. I have other reasons to suspect that w/him anyway.

I just gotta know, I cannot help it :lol:

My two little ponies are doing fine on it, I had to adjust it wayyyyy down for them tho'.

[FlashGordon]

Well good to hear some of you guys are using it and are happy with the results. I'd like to scale back as much as I can on grain products, while still getting him all the nutrition he needs and maintaining condition.

I do wish Progressive had more comprehensive product analysis on their site, but I think they are somewhat protective of their formulas?

[LMH]

YES they are-you can not get the full analysis for anything!

[Waterwitch]

I do wish Progressive had more comprehensive product analysis on their site, but I think they are somewhat protective of their formulas?

I think you are right (if you need the rest of the ingredients let me know and I will post them).

[EqTrainer]

YES they are-you can not get the full analysis for anything!

It is the only thing I hate about them. Sigh.

[EqTrainer]

FG - I really just wanted to experiment a bit.. my issue w/it for Win would be that I think you would still have to supplement quite a bit - sel/e, zinc, copper, magnesium, and it's hard to hide those things in a few ounces of something else.. plus I am quite sure you would have to add Envision anyway. What about the high fat RB for him? I know you'd still have to ship it but you could just add more sel/e, magox, zinc, copper and MSM, right? So maybe Horsetech could just make that up for you :) and you'd have only TWO things to give him, OMG, sounds like heaven to me...

ahhhh, edited to add, and some extra amino's, still, HT can do that for you.

if I didn't have 10 horses to feed you bet I'd be doing that...

except for freak boy. Still on singles, will be forever I bet :lol:

[FlashGordon]

It is the only thing I hate about them. Sigh.

That, and we need some dealers here in NY! :) At least they will ship, though, and are nice to work with.

I know the stuff is good, I am just always curious what is in things. Waterwitch thank you for the offer!

[FlashGordon]

FG - I really just wanted to experiment a bit.. my issue w/it for Win would be that I think you would still have to supplement quite a bit - sel/e, zinc, copper, magnesium, and it's hard to hide those things in a few ounces of something else.. plus I am quite sure you would have to add Envision anyway. What about the high fat RB for him? I know you'd still have to ship it but you could just add more sel/e, magox, zinc, copper and MSM, right? So maybe Horsetech could just make that up for you :) and you'd have only TWO things to give him, OMG, sounds like heaven to me...

if I didn't have 10 horses to feed you bet I'd be doing that...

except for freak boy. Still on singles, will be forever I bet :lol:

Hey... that sounds like a great idea! I would cry tears of joy, to only have 2 things to give him! :lol: I didn't know Horsetech would mix custom products like that.

Oh man I'm excited now.

[Riva]

I love the ProAdd Ultimate. Most of mine get it and it hasn't made any of them crazy (or at least, any crazier than they already were!) I also have a couple on the Grass balancer and one who gets the Premium Performance along w/ the Ultimate.

I'm very grateful that I have a fairly close dealer, but it is nice that they will ship it to anyone who doesn't have a dealer near them.

[FlashGordon]

Hey G any idea how much I'd feed of the Hi Fat?

Also how do I go about getting a custom blend from Horse Tech? If I tell them what I'm looking for can they sort it out or do they need specific measurements etc.?

At the end of the day I think it'd be more cost effective to go back to the Progressive + the HorseTech blend... Because right now I'm going in circles, and spending a ton of $, on a variety of things. And having to feed way more than I want to get the results I'm looking for.

Huh guess I had to learn the hard way. ;)

[EqTrainer]

Ah FG, you are so funny. Dontcha know I have invented the TB RB feeding wheel? Why reinvent it?!!!

I don't remember on the high fat one, I am thinking around 3 lbs a day? Remember I always HAVE to have the fat seperate, so I only used it a few times.

Yes, Horsetech will make anything for you. So will Uckele. So I'd tell them both what you want and see who can do it cheaper. Remember that Uckele shipping is always a killer.

[FlashGordon]

Ah FG, you are so funny. Dontcha know I have invented the TB RB feeding wheel? Why reinvent it?!!!

I don't remember on the high fat one, I am thinking around 3 lbs a day? Remember I always HAVE to have the fat seperate, so I only used it a few times.

Yes, Horsetech will make anything for you. So will Uckele. So I'd tell them both what you want and see who can do it cheaper. Remember that Uckele shipping is always a killer.

Yeah I know what am I doing?! I'm just a dumb@ss thinking I could make do with what I could find kicking around in my local feed stores... but alas it has done nothing but keep me up at night wondering if my crazy calculations and concoctions are correct. And drain my pocketbook in the process.... :p

Three pounds sounded about right to me also.

Thanks for the heads-up on Uckele and HorseTech, too. I'll give them a shout tomorrow.

[FlashGordon]

PS- I am still waiting for an EqT book. I really think you should do one.

Then I wouldn't have to pester you with 8,543 questions. ;)

[TBlitz]

My horses were starving to death (says they :winkgrin:) on the ProAdd Ultimate. Starvation is a mental state for my horses, not to be confused with actual deprivation of food. The boys couldn't stand how little the ProAdd filled their food buckets. They're now happily back on the grass balancer with "fillers" in their bucket to provide them with a real meal. I've been wanting to cut their food back to just alf, BP, and oats and a vit/min mix though since their ribs seem to be very shy.

Meal times are a really big deal for my piglets, but the ProAdd might work with a horse that doesn't care quite so much about the amount of food they get.

[EqTrainer]

PS- I am still waiting for an EqT book. I really think you should do one.

Then I wouldn't have to pester you with 8,543 questions. ;)

I am writing one but alas, it has nothing to do w/feeding horses and everything to do w/horse people. So there won't be any kernels of feeding wisdom in there :lol: So sorry...

but you are going to be a star in it, have no doubt :sadsmile:

[FlashGordon]

I am writing one but alas, it has nothing to do w/feeding horses and everything to do w/horse people. So there won't be any kernels of feeding wisdom in there :lol: So sorry...

but you are going to be a star in it, have no doubt :sadsmile:

Oh, goodness. He was (is?) a star, I am not. ;)

I miss him every minute. :sadsmile:

Well I am glad you are writing, and in truth, horse people MAY just be more interesting than horse feed.

[FlashGordon]

Ok another question... how much forage in pounds is necessary with an RB?

It'd be grass hay mostly, pasture, and can add alf or hay pellets as needed.

[EqTrainer]

Ok another question... how much forage in pounds is necessary with an RB?

It'd be grass hay mostly, pasture, and can add alf or hay pellets as needed.

As much as he will eat :))))) it is designed to be fed w/free choice forage.

[Waterwitch]

If you are limiting forage, want around 1.5-2.0% body weight total feed so subtract the RB and you have an amount of hay to start with. Some horses need more, some less.

That said, I am in the "forage in front of horses 24-7" camp, so my horses get free choice mostly grass hay, and grass pasture seasonally, as well as their little bit of ProAdd Ultimate and free choice grass mineral.

[FlashGordon]

Thanks guys.

I've always been curious about RB's + winter, if the decrease in pasture access made a difference... but if they have hay in front of them all the time then that should not matter, correct?

Also Win is a sloooow eater so I always worry he doesn't get quite as much forage in as he should, because he takes so long to eat.