Warmblood registries & QH or APHA blood

[eggbutt]

I searched and didn't find anything specific enough....are there any warmblood registries that allow Quarter Horse or American Paint blood? A friend has an AQHA/APHA sport mare breeding to a Hano for a personal sport horse. She's not desperate to register the foal but is certainly curious if there's a registry that will accept her foal should she want to register it. If not full registry what about certificate of pedigree? Does that still exist?

[Nootka]

The foal could get a 1/2 brand from RPSI and registration papers.

Pending on the stallion you may be able to get COP papers from his registry for the foal.

Then there is AWS/AWR

ISR/Oldenburg NA may also register the foal but I am not sure if you will get COP papers or full.

Most of the registries may require her to have the foal inspected

[SilverSpringFarm]

I bred my APHA mare to an approved Trakehner stallion. The foal will be registered with the ATA as a part-bred Trakehner and is eligible for all the ATA futurities.

It is my understanding that most US warmblood registries will give some kind of registration certificate to foals by approved stallions. I've heard the RPSI is pretty APHA/AQHA friendly as well.

[eggbutt]

Super info! Thank you!!

[Nootka]

Yea RPSI is good.

The foal (when 3 yrs old if you want to breed for whatever reason...) will only be able to be entered into the studbook II. Which is just recording it not approving for breeding. Any offspring will not get full papers until the paint/aqha is 4 generations back

[Home Again Farm]

If she gets a colt, I'd recommend a COP from AHS. That will make the offspring elegible for awards.

[Shawnda N]

Just to clairify a COP, Certificate of Pedigree, is not a Registration Certificate. It is a piece of paper that states the bloodlines of the horse for documentation only.

[DownYonder]

Is the Hanoverian stallion approved for breeding by AHS or any other warmblood registry? If not, she will not even be able to get a COP for the foal.

Oldenburg (GOV) accepts sport type QH mares into its lowest mare book but they have to be bred to stallions on the Oldenburg roster in order for their foals to be eligible for registration papers.

[talloaks]

Is the Hanoverian stallion approved for breeding by AHS or any other warmblood registry? If not, she will not even be able to get a COP for the foal.

Oldenburg (GOV) accepts sport type QH mares into its lowest mare book but they have to be bred to stallions on the Oldenburg roster in order for their foals to be eligible for registration papers.


When did GOV/OHBS start accepting QH mares??:eek:

[DownYonder]

When did GOV/OHBS start accepting QH mares??:eek:

They have always accepted good sport type QH mares, but they put them in the lowest mare book, just like other mares with insufficient pedigrees. And, as I have pointed out on this forum before, there are not very many QH mares presented to Oldenburg these days, and the ones that HAVE been presented in the past have only produced one or two foals at most for the registry, so the registry feels that the impact of these mares is pretty negligible.

And let's please not turn this into some big drama-llama thread. :lol:

[avezan]

I have many foals out of my appendix QH mare registered with ISR. What you need to do is find out which registries that the stallion is approved by and then contact them to see if the mare is eligible for one of the mare books. You won't be able to bring the mare and foal to an ISR inspection if the stallion is not approved. (maybe for a COP, I'm not sure on that)

[hunterjumper22]

This is a very good thread!! I was wondering the same thing. I have an Appendix QH mare by Indian Artifacts and out of a TB mare. She is bred to the Hanoverian Romantic Star for a 2010 foal. I was also wondering what her foal would qualify for. Indian Artifacts is in the AWS and I beleive the Sport horse registry.

Romantic Star is GOV

[talloaks]

This is a very good thread!! I was wondering the same thing. I have an Appendix QH mare by Indian Artifacts and out of a TB mare. She is bred to the Hanoverian Romantic Star for a 2010 foal. I was also wondering what her foal would qualify for. Indian Artifacts is in the AWS and I beleive the Sport horse registry.

Romantic Star is GOV


Romantic Star is approved for breeding with the ISR/OLDENBURGNA so the resulting foal would probably be registered and branded (if you wished) with the ISR.

[DownYonder]

This is a very good thread!! I was wondering the same thing. I have an Appendix QH mare by Indian Artifacts and out of a TB mare. She is bred to the Hanoverian Romantic Star for a 2010 foal. I was also wondering what her foal would qualify for. Indian Artifacts is in the AWS and I beleive the Sport horse registry.

Romantic Star is GOV

What is "the sport horse registry"?

At any rate, your mare may be eligible for the Oldenburg (GOV) Pre-Mare book. Also, Romantic Star was approved for Oldenburg breeding, but he is not on the 2009 roster, so I assuming that his stallion dues were not paid for this year. He may be eligible for a breeding allowance, though (extra $100 fee for using a stallion not on the current roster). You might want to contact the Oldenburg office Florida to confirm your mare's and Romantic Star's eligibility.

[avezan]

Romantic Star is approved for breeding with the ISR/OLDENBURGNA so the resulting foal would probably be registered and branded (if you wished) with the ISR.

That's great. Because Indian Artifacts is, I believe, 3/4 TB, so your mare is more than 3/4 TB making her eligible for the MMB for ISR/OLDNA. I doubt if she could be MMB GOV, but you might want to check.

I have been really happy with taking my foals with AQHA blood to ISR inspections. The last foal from my mare scored really well, with 8.3 for movement and 8.2 overall impression. Her previous foals scored well too. They are not prejudiced against breeds.

[talloaks]

That's great. Because Indian Artifacts is, I believe, 3/4 TB, so your mare is more than 3/4 TB making her eligible for the MMB for ISR/OLDNA. I doubt if she could be MMB GOV, but you might want to check.

I have been really happy with taking my foals with AQHA blood to ISR inspections. The last foal from my mare scored really well, with 8.3 for movement and 8.2 overall impression. Her previous foals scored well too. They are not prejudiced against breeds.

If the mare is 3/4 TB she may very well get into the OldenburgNA books and have her foal registered and branded OLD.

[camohn]

For most of the Euro registries you could get in a "non main mare book" for a certificate of pedigree though not full papers (think Appendix registry with the AQHA) unless the QH or APHA has over a certain % TB blood...if the horse is high % TB then you may be able to get main book papers. AWR and AWS would take an APHA/AQHA pending passing the mares inspection. Indian Artifacts for example is already an AWR approved stallion.....so he is well thought of there as a hunter sire.
For the foal to be eligible for registry X then you have to see what registry the stallion is approved with first. For example, a stallion can be Hannoverian by birth but not approved for breeding with the Hanno registry.

[classicsporthorses]

The thing to remember too is the color factor. Honestly, My Dutch Cross mare, who is a tri colored Tobiano scored for the Main mare book with the ISR/OLDNA BUT b/c she is colored, and they don't "recognize" colored horses, she is in the pre-mare book. She was inspected with a foal at her side from an approved stallion. Foal got full papers and not colored.

She is a State of the Art daughter and for the life of me at the moment I can't recall her dam, but is a QH cross. She is also registered Pinto.

[talloaks]

The thing to remember too is the color factor. Honestly, My Dutch Cross mare, who is a tri colored Tobiano scored for the Main mare book with the ISR/OLDNA BUT b/c she is colored, and they don't "recognize" colored horses, she is in the pre-mare book. She was inspected with a foal at her side from an approved stallion. Foal got full papers and not colored.

She is a State of the Art daughter and for the life of me at the moment I can't recall her dam, but is a QH cross. She is also registered Pinto.


I doubt if the reason your mare was put in the pre mare book had anything to do with color, it must have been her pedigree or if I remember correctly State of the Art was never an approved stallion with ISR/OLDNA.
Correct me if I am wrong.;)

[classicsporthorses]

I did not own the mare at the time of her inspection but this is what her owner was told and I have her inspection scores. She scored well into the main mare book.

I know of another breeder who has a Dutch bred colt, also colored and had to pay extra to have him registered Pinto b/c they don't reconginze Dutch.

My own TB/Draft/QH Black and White Tobiano Mare cannot be registered Pinto b/c she has draft in her. The sad part is if I put "Sire unknown" I could. Well I am not going to do that and you can't ride the papers anyway. I can't register her with the Spotted Draft Registry b/c she is not 50% draft.

[camohn]

The thing to remember too is the color factor. Honestly, My Dutch Cross mare, who is a tri colored Tobiano scored for the Main mare book with the ISR/OLDNA BUT b/c she is colored, and they don't "recognize" colored horses, she is in the pre-mare book. She was inspected with a foal at her side from an approved stallion. Foal got full papers and not colored.

She is a State of the Art daughter and for the life of me at the moment I can't recall her dam, but is a QH cross. She is also registered Pinto.

A couple things there. First, SOTA is not Old/ISR approved. He is listed with International Registry of Colored Horses ,American Warmblood Society,Pinto Horse Assoc. and IAHA Breeders Sweepstakes for half Arabs. SOTA is Dutch/TB/Paint cross and by your description of the mare the dam is also a QH cross. It sounds like she did not meet the pedigree requirements for main book. The key to her foal getting full papers probably has more to do with having an approved sire. Even if the mare scores well enough for Main book that does not matter if she does not meet the pedigree requirements: she will still be in a lower book regardless of score.

[camohn]

I know of another breeder who has a Dutch bred colt, also colored and had to pay extra to have him registered Pinto b/c they don't reconginze Dutch.
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This part IS true. The Pinto has 3 classes of horses: Stock (QH type), Hunter (TB type) and Saddleseat types (Arab/Saddlebred/Morgan type). WBs do not really fit any of those and the Pinto will only register WB crosses if they are inspected first for many extra fees and found to be more TB/hunter than dressagey in type. Been there done that with a Paint/WB cross mare I had!!

[avezan]

I did not own the mare at the time of her inspection but this is what her owner was told and I have her inspection scores. She scored well into the main mare book.

I know of another breeder who has a Dutch bred colt, also colored and had to pay extra to have him registered Pinto b/c they don't reconginze Dutch.


Mares are put in the ISR pre-mare book because of pedigree or low scores, but more commonly because of pedigree. A mare must have *more than* 50% "sporthorse' blood to be put in the mare book for ISR/OLDNA and *more than* 75% sporthorse to be in the main mare book. So an AQHA appendix mare with an AQHA sire and TB dam would only qualify for the pre-mare book, since she has *exactly* 50% TB. To get her in a higher book (and you can petition them to do this) you need to show them a pedigree demonstrating another TB on the QH side. I'm not sure if they have a limit on how far back you can go. But if she has just one more TB in there, she is more than 50%.

ISR definitely registers colored foals with Art Deco and his progeny coming immediately to mind as approved stallions.

Pinto, I have no idea about!

[classicsporthorses]

Folks I am just telling you what she was told. I don't really care. She's an exceptional mare who has produced exceptional foals for me. I am well aware that SOTA is not approved with ISR/OLDNA. In fact my mare is old enough that she was foaled before Silverwood farms owned him. His original name is State of the Heart.

As I had said, I can't recall her dam's pedigree-I'd have to look.

As for the other horse (Pinto Horse Association) gelding. I don't know what they decided to do.

In the end you can't ride the papers.

[avezan]

The thing to remember too is the color factor. Honestly, My Dutch Cross mare, who is a tri colored Tobiano scored for the Main mare book with the ISR/OLDNA BUT b/c she is colored, and they don't "recognize" colored horses, she is in the pre-mare book. She was inspected with a foal at her side from an approved stallion. Foal got full papers and not colored.

She is a State of the Art daughter and for the life of me at the moment I can't recall her dam, but is a QH cross. She is also registered Pinto.

Just trying to stop the spread of misinformation! ;) The mare was not put in the pre-mare book because she has color no matter what anyone was told. I don't want others reading this thread thinking they can't get a mare into the MMB or a foal registered because of color.

[DownYonder]

Sorry, but I just can’t resist pointing out the irony of someone acting all :eek: because Oldenburg (GOV) accepts QH mares in its lower mare books, while HER registry of choice (ISR/ONA) will put one in its Main Mare Book! LOL! :cool::lol::winkgrin:

[talloaks]

Sorry, but I just can’t resist pointing out the irony of someone acting all :eek: because Oldenburg (GOV) accepts QH mares in its lower mare books, while HER registry of choice (ISR/ONA) will put one in its Main Mare Book! LOL! :cool::lol::winkgrin:


Keep laughing Down Yonder because it was your GOV registry which complained about Dr Ramsur putting QH mares in the Oldenburg registry and claimed that was the reason for the split!!:eek::eek:

[Iron Horse Farm]

Popcorn anyone? :lol::lol::D:lol::lol:

[talloaks]

They have always accepted good sport type QH mares, but they put them in the lowest mare book, just like other mares with insufficient pedigrees. And, as I have pointed out on this forum before, there are not very many QH mares presented to Oldenburg these days, and the ones that HAVE been presented in the past have only produced one or two foals at most for the registry, so the registry feels that the impact of these mares is pretty negligible.

And let's please not turn this into some big drama-llama thread. :lol:

HA HA HA!! Look at who was wanting to avoid a drama-llama thread and then just couldn't resist commenting on it herself!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[DownYonder]

Keep laughing Down Yonder because it was your GOV registry which complained about Dr Ramsur putting QH mares in the Oldenburg registry and claimed that was the reason for the split!!:eek::eek:

Uh, dearie, there were LOTS of things going on that caused the split. QH mares was a minor blip compared to some of the other stuff. :lol:

But you are right, I really don't want this to turn into a drama-llama thread. I just thought the whole thing was a bit funny.

[talloaks]

Uh, dearie, there were LOTS of things going on that caused the split. QH mares was a minor blip compared to some of the other stuff. :lol:

But you are right, I really don't want this to turn into a drama-llama thread. I just thought the whole thing was a bit funny.


Well I find it VERY FUNNY that the GOV is accepting QH mares!! Just too hilarious!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::eek:

[hunterjumper22]

I think my Indian Artifacts mare is flashy. Black with a blaze, 2 hind socks. I pray she can get in the MMB in some registry. She has nice extended floaty movement. She was my dream show horse (I bought her as a 2 year old), but she had a stifle and knee injury which prevented me from doing much with her. People love her and I hope the judges do too. All i have left to do with her is breed her.

[PineTreeFarm]

What is "the sport horse registry"?



The poster may have been referring to PHR.

[camohn]

I think my Indian Artifacts mare is flashy. Black with a blaze, 2 hind socks. I pray she can get in the MMB in some registry. She has nice extended floaty movement. She was my dream show horse (I bought her as a 2 year old), but she had a stifle and knee injury which prevented me from doing much with her. People love her and I hope the judges do too. All i have left to do with her is breed her.

IA is fully approved with the AWR

[dbay55@yahoo.com]

I read on this BB somewhere that there was a BWP-NAD stallion with QH in the pedigree. Does anyone know who that is?

[Nootka]

There is not a Tri-colored tobanio... it is a bay tobiano (or if a buckskin---or if pali ~~~tri too:yes: blonde, white, tan):p

[Tiki]

Exactly. A bay pinto with a black mane and tail is no more trie-colored than a bay horse with white socks and a blaze.

[SilverSpringFarm]

I read on this BB somewhere that there was a BWP-NAD stallion with QH in the pedigree. Does anyone know who that is?

Victory Gallop:

http://www.belgianwarmblood.com/victorygallop.htm

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/victory+gallop2

[dbay55@yahoo.com]

Victory Gallop:

http://www.belgianwarmblood.com/victorygallop.htm

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/victory+gallop2

THANKS

[SilverSpringFarm]

Glad to help. He was mentioned on another forum a few months ago so he was still somewhat fresh in my memory.