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2boys
Apr. 20, 2009, 08:00 PM
My tb has one like next to his jaw-underneath. It is really swollen and it looks like he rubbed it raw. I can't get the tick, and I feel like I aggravated it earlier by picking at it. I iced it and gave him some bute for the swelling. I put neosporin on it earlier. Any other thoughts??

Laurierace
Apr. 20, 2009, 08:04 PM
I have never had any trouble getting ticks off so I am having a hard time envisioning your problem. I usually just pull with my fingers or with tweezers and they come right off. I remember when I was a kid my Mom would take a match and light it then blow it out and put the match tip near the ticks head to supposedly get them to back out from the heat. I never tried that myself, it seemed so much easier to just pull but it did work.

2boys
Apr. 20, 2009, 08:10 PM
It must be the head that is stuck.

Androcles
Apr. 20, 2009, 08:25 PM
If it's underneath the jaw, maybe you will just need to cut the hairs off that it is stuck to. Since it's underneath it shouldn't be too visible. I know what it's like not being able to pull it off (because I can't bear to touch them and try to do it without touching them, kinda hard ;) ) and now that it's swollen it's probably harder. I got one of those little tick remover thingies for Christmas, it seems to work. It looks like a plastic teaspoon, with a slit thru the middle halfway up.

jaimebaker
Apr. 20, 2009, 08:27 PM
A pair of tweezers works fine. You can smother them with Dawn Dishwashing soap. Where I'm at ticks are as common as a blade of grass so it boggles my mind that someone would bute for a tick bite. :confused:

2boys
Apr. 20, 2009, 08:30 PM
Where I'm at ticks are as common as a blade of grass so it boggles my mind that someone would bute for a tick bite. :confused:
I buted him because of the swelling. It is right under his throat. I will go back out and see if I can grab it with tweezers again.

*JumpIt*
Apr. 20, 2009, 08:49 PM
I buted him because of the swelling. It is right under his throat. I will go back out and see if I can grab it with tweezers again.

Good luck!

The tweezer route has always worked for me if I can't get it with my fingers.

MistyBlue
Apr. 20, 2009, 08:50 PM
The swelling is a reaction to the tick bite, not an "injury" so much.
No Bute needed.
Ticks are arachnids and not insects...so a tick bite is more like a spider bite. And all mammals react differently to the serum in arachnids. A person who never swells with a mosquito bite or bee sting can get a huge lump with a spider bite.
I understand what you mean about not getting the tick out. Some horses swell so fast right after getting bit that they swell right up over and around the actual tick. Other horses swell later on so the tick remains outside the lump.
Here's a trick...don't ice bit bring a bucket of hot water to the barn and a washcloth. Soak cloth, wring out partially and hold over tick bite lump. Once it cools, wipe hair away and gently pick off any scabbing/crusty stuff. It needs to stay open to drain. Then resoak cloth and hold over again. Keep repeating the heating and holding after the cloth cools for a good 15-20 minutes. That keeps the whole thing draining, soft and open.
Do this twice a day minimum...usually by the second time you do this the tick or head parts will have come to the surface or been flushed out by the drainage.
After each soaking...wipe clean, remove hair from the area and swab with Aquafor. That will keep it soft and moist so new scabs don't form as quick and unlike other goopy stuff, Aquafor allows air through it and drainage through it.
If it were you I'd recommend a Benadryl, but with your horse s/he'll be fine in a couple days. Keep it open and draining, keep applying moist heat 2-3x per day and it'll drain and then heal up. :D
Pretty nasty though, huh? But it's a common occurance with horses.

2boys
Apr. 20, 2009, 09:16 PM
Thanks. My qh had one on his belly last week, and it swelled up quite a bit too. My big concern today was that the swelling was right near his throat. I thought that bute brings swelling down no matter what the cause? hmmm. Veterinarian, I am not (although, as I was wrapping his foot yesterday due to a pulled shoe, my daughter said, "Mommy, you are like a vet!":lol:)! Anyway, I just went down to try tweezers again, and it is kind of scabbed over. He is now being a s*#t about me touching it, so I am letting it go. I stuck some neosporin on it for the night, and will try Misty's technique in the AM. The vet is coming out for spring shots on Wednesday, which is terrific timing!:yes:

buck22
Apr. 20, 2009, 09:50 PM
ichthammol, I live and die by this stuff during tick season... which for me lasts about 10 months apparently.:no: I've not had a problem removing a tick, but my ponies swell up fast so I could see it happening. I remove the tick and then shmear a fingerfull of ichthammol on, swelling disappears within hours.

KobeTrixie57
Apr. 21, 2009, 08:35 AM
I second the ichthammol. My horse gets those nasty gooey bumps from the tick bite too. Ichthammol is a drawing salve. I think it helps draw out the pus. Seems to work for me.

twofatponies
Apr. 21, 2009, 08:42 AM
Third the iccthamol (sp!)

Mags
Apr. 21, 2009, 08:56 AM
I agree with MistyBlue. The only thing different I do is put a little betadine in the water. Draining is very important. Ask you vet about Front Line. I got some last year and it was great. It's in a spray bottle you spray their legs and rub it in a little just so the hairs are coated (get rubber gloves from vet) I also do under her jaw and I wipe my hands on the top of her tail and forelock, too. Didn't have any ticks after that. Happy Spring:)

Posting Trot
Apr. 21, 2009, 10:02 AM
I've had success with Equi-spot, which you put on the horse every two weeks.

pines4equines
Apr. 21, 2009, 10:40 AM
I agree with poster who said that you may have gotten the body but not the head.

I know when you see a tick you just want to get the tweezers out immediately and get that thing off. But I'd rather put a dollop of Vaseline on the tick and wait. It smothers the tick and they fall out. If you squeeze them, I've heard that they "vomit" (or whatever ticks do) back into the animal. Best to have them die and then fall off.

If you can get them off cleanly, then they won't vomit but if you squeeze them or pull half their bodies and leave the head, then they might.

Now, I do hate to put the gob of Vaseline when it's near the horse's tail so rather I just spray the sucker with my trusty Tri Tec fly spray and again, they die and fall off.

Maybe I'm wrong but leaving the head in I think is worse. Of course, you can scrape head off later but I've found the above works best for us.

I'm talking the smaller deer ticks not the dog ticks which are much easier to pull off.

Penthilisea
Apr. 21, 2009, 10:47 AM
Spray on Front Line (Orvitrol?) is your friend. My QH is severly allergic to ticks (think pussy bloody swollen lumps bigger then your first, about 5 at a time!) and I have been SO thrilled with this spray. He is truly tick free. I do reapply weekly, although it says the product can last up to 8 weeks. Ichthamol will bring down the swelling and draw out the pus/etc but it is messy and gross. I;d rather prevent!

Larbear
Apr. 21, 2009, 12:37 PM
I agree with poster who said that you may have gotten the body but not the head.

I know when you see a tick you just want to get the tweezers out immediately and get that thing off. But I'd rather put a dollop of Vaseline on the tick and wait. It smothers the tick and they fall out. If you squeeze them, I've heard that they "vomit" (or whatever ticks do) back into the animal. Best to have them die and then fall off.

If you can get them off cleanly, then they won't vomit but if you squeeze them or pull half their bodies and leave the head, then they might.



Well, the quicker you can get the ticks off, the better. Rather than using tweezers, there is a tick scoop. This thing works very well and gets the whole thing out and, you don't squish it. I have one at home and the barn.

http://www.safetystore.com/Ticked-Off-Tick-Scoop-3-Pack-To12411.htm

KonaPony
Apr. 21, 2009, 01:31 PM
I also spray the tick with fly/tick spray to kill it so that it will come out easily. I use Bronco, since it's water based, so I can clean it off easily once it's done its job. If I can't get the tick out with a very gentle tug, then I spray again and leave it on for a minute or so longer. I have used baby oil to smother the tick, too, messy but doesn't involve poisons. So far I haven't had a problem with the head staying in using either of these.

theoldgreymare
Apr. 21, 2009, 01:36 PM
According to the human infectious disease specialist I see for LD, if the tick has bitten you and you remove it but leave the head in, any pathogens have already been transmitted by the removal attempt. At this point, you can leave the head in and it will be absorbed by the host (horse). I guess you would just keep it clean at this point....

Pines4 is correct....the worst thing you can do is squeeze a tick during removal as it will spit pathogens into the bite.

pines4equines
Apr. 21, 2009, 02:16 PM
Oh my god, I was right!?!?!?!? This goes down in the annuls of P4E...I'm right!?!?!?! OMG!!! Arh, arh!

PS: Love the little scoop previous poster posted however I wonder if it's too big for the deer ticks. That's our problem here is those blasted deer ticks. Their heads are so small. You can't even feel them on the horse until the small swelling by the horse starts.

Larbear
Apr. 21, 2009, 05:26 PM
Oh my god, I was right!?!?!?!? This goes down in the annuls of P4E...I'm right!?!?!?! OMG!!! Arh, arh!

PS: Love the little scoop previous poster posted however I wonder if it's too big for the deer ticks. That's our problem here is those blasted deer ticks. Their heads are so small. You can't even feel them on the horse until the small swelling by the horse starts.

I don't think the scoops are too big...I've gone after the deer ticks as well. Just scoop 'em in :D

2boys
Apr. 21, 2009, 07:14 PM
I had bought a lovely little scooper thing. My dog got a hold of it and chewed away. :no:

Androcles
Apr. 21, 2009, 08:16 PM
Well, the quicker you can get the ticks off, the better. Rather than using tweezers, there is a tick scoop. This thing works very well and gets the whole thing out and, you don't squish it. I have one at home and the barn.

http://www.safetystore.com/Ticked-Off-Tick-Scoop-3-Pack-To12411.htm

That's the thing I was talking about in my earlier post. Have only had to use it once (even though I have a hairy beast that lives outside, he doesn't get many ticks), but it worked very well. Good for us squeamish types. Where's the yecchhh icon?

Larbear
Apr. 21, 2009, 10:13 PM
That's the thing I was talking about in my earlier post. Have only had to use it once (even though I have a hairy beast that lives outside, he doesn't get many ticks), but it worked very well. Good for us squeamish types. Where's the yecchhh icon?

I absolutely **hate** ticks! I've seen people go at 'em with their finger nails (ack!!)...no way for me! I get them in my scoop and then squish 'em till there's pretty much nothing recognizable to 'em :)

jaimebaker
Apr. 21, 2009, 10:28 PM
I buted him because of the swelling. It is right under his throat. I will go back out and see if I can grab it with tweezers again.

As was mentioned, the swelling was due to the tick bite itself. And is in the skin. Bute will not very likely help and also compromises the gastro-inetestinal system. It just seems a bit overkill for a tick bite. However, if you aren't used to ticks or have a horse that reacts overly to them (swelling and such) I can understand why you gave the bute. So, not picking on you at all, just bringing up that bute shouldn't be given for every little bump, bite or scrape as it can be hard on a horses system. I only use it if something is really wrong (lame, eyes, swelling, etc). And even then, I give extra probiotics and U-gard to help prevent any intestinal upset the bute may cause.

2boys
Apr. 21, 2009, 10:34 PM
So, not picking on you at all, just bringing up that bute shouldn't be given for every little bump, bite or scrape as it can be hard on a horses system. I only use it if something is really wrong (lame, eyes, swelling, etc).
I haven't given any of my boys bute in over six months (since this boy popped a huge splint last fall), and I only gave him a gram yesterday. Like I mentioned, I was just pretty concerned because it was in his throat area.