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chai
Apr. 20, 2009, 06:00 PM
This is when I miss sharing my barn with other people, but I hope my COTH friends will be my second set of eyes before I call the vet.

My 22 year old TB mare is due for spring shots in two weeks. She is a generally healthy retiree who overcame a big injury last year and is enjoying a loving retirement. We live in a tick-prone area, though and in the past ten years she has had Erlycchia, Lyme and another tick borne illness that causes severe localized lymphangitis.

She hasn't had any problems with those diseases in over a year, though, but tonight when I went to bring her in from the pasture, she just didn't look 'right'. There are no red flags here, just my feeling that something is not quite right. She has no visible injuries, no localized swelling, no sweat marks, nothing to indicate that anything is wrong with her, except a look in her eye and slow-moving body posture that says, "Mom, I don't feel so good." When I bring her in, she usually does the dragon face to her pasture buddy when I lead him out of the pasture but tonight she stayed by herself, standing apart from us and waiting for me.

She was hesitant to move when I put her halter on to lead her to the gate. I checked her over from one end to the other and there is no sign of any injury. When I asked someone to encourage her from behind, she stepped out ok, although a little more slowly than usual.

There are no signs of lameness, but she's a bit stiff all over, like the way we feel if we haven't exercised in a while and put in that first day at the gym. A little stiff at first, but when we get moving, it's ok.

There are no hyper gut noises, no digital pulse, her gums look pink/good with good capillary refill, respirations are normal and she has no temperature. I made her a small warm mash and she ate well and wanted a carrot.

She is utd on worming; shots are due in two weeks and she is not on any medications.

Any thoughts?

I'm heading out to check on her now but I would appreciate any thoughts/suggestions. If I see anything else, or her condition gets worse, I will call the vet immediately. thank you for any input.

FindersKeepers
Apr. 20, 2009, 06:32 PM
If all the planets are aligned right, it could just be that she's enjoyed the last couple of weeks of springtime so much that she is tired and a little sore from playing like she is younger than she is.

But, you know her better than anyone. If she were mine, I'd just keep an eye on her for another day or 2, since you do already have an appointment in 2 weeks. But if anything else changes, if there's any temp, swelling, or she is more stiff in the AM, I'd call the vet.

kookicat
Apr. 20, 2009, 06:51 PM
Could she have slipped and pulled something? That would make her a bit ouchy without anything being visiable.

Hope she's okay!

islgrl
Apr. 20, 2009, 07:26 PM
Does she have a temp? Both times I have brought my horse in with similar symptoms it was erlichia. Once he had a temp of 104:eek: and once he had no temp... (well - he had a temp, it was normal :))

Ghazzu
Apr. 20, 2009, 07:28 PM
I've seen early cases of Ehrlichia present with the picture you describe...

Penthilisea
Apr. 20, 2009, 07:28 PM
I would give her a nice soupy feed (1/2 her normal dinner with enough warm water to make it soupy but not total liquid) to make sure she is hydrated, and keep forage in front of her in a clean stall all night. If her urine and manure output, tempt and gums, and water intake are normal in the AM, try her in turnout alone for the day. If she is still NQR in ~18 hours I would call the vet. If she shows more serious signs call sooner.

This is my "wait and see" safety protocol. It covers the bases for making sure you are not introducing anything that could stress her system, monitoring her intake and output, and generally giving her whole system a break.

Hope your mare feels better in the am!

ETA: As Ghazzu the wonder-vet said, Ehrlichia can present this way. This has been a BAD year for tick borne illnesses!

cloudyandcallie
Apr. 20, 2009, 07:33 PM
A mixture of skinsosoft and water and white vinegar applied daily (spray it on) will repel ticks.
And I know you are checking manure to make sure she isn't colicky.

chai
Apr. 20, 2009, 07:33 PM
Thank you, everyone. I really appreciate all the responses. I feel better watching and waiting, and I wonder if I will find her with a temp. in the AM, and this is Ehrlicchia brewing.

If I don't like what I see, I will call the vet.

I'm going to check her temp. again when I do night check and hope it stays normal.

Thanks again for the input, everybody!

Patty Stiller
Apr. 20, 2009, 07:44 PM
I would not wait to call the vet. y and see. I would call the vet ASAP. Low grade laminitis often presents as "overall stiffness" rather than the classic "camped out" stance.it is often mistaken in the early stages as shoulder stiffness. At her age she is a candidate for metabolic induced laminitis. As well, as someone pointed out earlier, equine ehrlichia (a very serious tick borne disease) can also present as "just not right" at first, then blow up. So I would call the vet.

CosMonster
Apr. 20, 2009, 11:52 PM
I tend to be in the wait and see camp, but then again I don't really have to worry about tick-borne diseases in my area and likewise laminitis is highly unlikely in my horses, and I can deal with it. It depends too on how bad she is--I know with my old guy I can tell if he's even slightly uncomfortable, something my vet probably wouldn't even be able to see, but that's because I know him so well. Patty makes some really good points and I think if you are at all worried you should call the vet. Definitely at least keep a really close eye on her and call if anything worsens.

I hope she just ran a little too hard in the pasture. Keep us updated!

SMF11
Apr. 21, 2009, 09:13 AM
I tend to wait and see, but I've also learned to trust my gut. If you feel comfortable waiting and seeing, do it. But if you are uneasy and worried, call the vet.

Iride
May. 20, 2009, 12:27 PM
A mixture of skinsosoft and water and white vinegar applied daily (spray it on) will repel ticks.
And I know you are checking manure to make sure she isn't colicky.

Is it really that simple? If so I should try it. The ticks are rampant this year :(

To the OP - how did things end up? Was it Erlichia or just a bad day or ?

harveyhorses
May. 20, 2009, 01:23 PM
I would trust your gut, and her attituede. I used to be able to tell at a quick glance when my old pony was starting another bout with laminitis. After many many rounds....
I like to give it x amount of time and then call the vet.
Keep us posted.