The Fork

[RoeVee]

HUGE field!!! Looks like there were some really nice rides. Clark has a HT score!!!

Anyone there and see the tests?

Good luck x-c Never Summer!!!!! :D

[Sebastian]

I'm rooting for a co-worker's sister. Go Subway & Olivia!!

Seb :)

[crittertwitter]

intermediate went beautifully! (great weather, too)

seb, subway picked up 20 early on, but looked lovely through the finish. :)

unfortunate fall for clark at the gaping trakehner (***), but they are a-ok.

and did I mention ponies, peops, weather and course are gourgeous!

[retreadeventer]

Any other reports? This is a major CIC....would like to hear how our prospective Team riders and WEG riders did as well as potential Rolex and Jersey Fresh entrants.....and also the intermediate fields? Any XC scores yet? How did it seem to ride?

[FlightCheck]

bumpity, bump,

Any scores yet????? Nothing on website.

[denny]

I heard Bruce fell. Any word?

[Sebastian]

seb, subway picked up 20 early on, but looked lovely through the finish. :)



Yay! Thanks for the update, critter! :D
Seb

[alittlextra]

I heard Bruce fell. Any word?

I think he had a good ride later in the day so he must have been OK?

I remember the Subway horse, it was a nice second half for them.

How did the rider that fell during Prelim end up? I saw the ambulance go up but didn't hear anything else. I hope all was OK.

Lovely day overall.

[TBCollector]

Bruce came off Cruise Lion at second to last fence...hit his face on the horse's neck as he went off. He sat there for a bit to catch his breath (think it rang his bell pretty good) and then went back to barn. He looked great on Jam an hour later.

[eventer2002]

What was the weather like for XC? I'm guessing Phillip wd two of his because he only wanted to run dressage?

[Eventer55]

Bumping. . . any other results?

[VColeman]

http://www.eventingnewsusa.com/useventhorse.php?news=20090404A-Buck-Davidson-Takes-Double-Lead-at-The-Fork

[Sudi's Girl]

Anyone know why KOC retired?

[gchildean]

Bruce came off Cruise Lion at second to last fence...hit his face on the horse's neck as he went off. He sat there for a bit to catch his breath (think it rang his bell pretty good) and then went back to barn. He looked great on Jam an hour later.

Saw Bruce this morning. He broke his nose and some bones in his right cheek.

[gchildean]

Anyone know why KOC retired?

I was a XC area steward and was out on xc for everyone. I was at the double corners where Karen had her first stop on Smarty. after getting through them she had another quite at the first water and elected to retire.

[gchildean]

critter - your sister looked great yesterday! Boy can that horse jump.

[snoopy]

Saw Bruce this morning. He broke his nose and some bones in his right cheek.


OMG that nose!!!!;):lol: Maybe it broke straighter.

[gchildean]

not so much. Honestley, I couldn't even tell :)

[snoopy]

Glad he had his priorities right....ride Jam THEN seek medical attention!!!:lol:

[denny]

Any show jumping/final results?

[gchildean]

They checked him out while he was on the ground and deemed him lucid. I left before the advanced SJed so I don't know if he rode or not. When I saw him he wasn't dressed to ride, but it was probably about 2 hours before his division was to start. He and Jam both looked great on XC. I can tell you that he was bound and determined to get on Jam no matter what!

[gchildean]

Any show jumping/final results?

I only know the final results for the intermediate divisions. Nate Chambers, Doug Payne, and Julie wolfert.

[JER]

Saw Bruce this morning. He broke his nose and some bones in his right cheek.

And the purpose of the one-fall rule is what exactly?

[Jeannette, formerly ponygyrl]

Final results are up on The Fork's website, under Events.
I would post the link, but my computer is moving glacially...

[SuperEventer]

Hmmm.....I just checked the results, and they're still not showing stadium scores or finals when I looked....

[gchildean]

SJ probably just wrapped up. We we out on XC from 8am until 5:45 yesterday. SJ started this morning at 8:30, so I imagine they will be up soon.

[Muck r us]

And the purpose of the one-fall rule is what exactly?

At The Fork everyone who fell was required to be checked by the medics prior to riding again. The was a system in place; the medics were given a list of everyone to be checked. The XC warmup stewards were also given the list and informed by the medics of anyone who had not been checked. As each person entered XC warmup, they were directed to the FEI Chief Steward, Sally O'Connor, for verfication and to get permission to ride.

I spoke to Bruce, briefly, in XC warmup on Jam and he was smiling and talking coherently. He probably was in serious pain, but he certainly wasn't letting anyone see it.

[Sudi's Girl]

I was a XC area steward and was out on xc for everyone. I was at the double corners where Karen had her first stop on Smarty. after getting through them she had another quite at the first water and elected to retire.

Oh sadness! I think he is great stuff, although I think their dressage was quite a bit higher than normal too...maybe they were just having an off weekend.

Glad to hear about Bruce though! :)

[DLee]

And the purpose of the one-fall rule is what exactly?


I pretty much thought the purpose of the one fall rule is to not be allowed to continue THAT PARTICULAR RIDE. It makes total sense to me.

[clivers]

CIC3* http://www.forkstables.com/events/2009/cic3/cic3-results.html

main page of results: http://www.forkstables.com/events.html

Hit refresh if the stadium scores aren't coming up. Congrats everyone :)

[CookiePony]

Did anyone watch stadium today?

[eventgroupie2]

My hubby and I watched the I, CIC***, and the A stadium today - had to drive back to Lexington so had to leave before P started. (We were x-c fence judges yesterday at the "Sunken Road" for the *** and A, and did fence #12 for I and #11 and #12 for P) The stadium course was quite difficult with very few clear rounds. Buck had a great day with his first place in the *** and second in the Advanced division.

[pegasusmom]

Ok, I get to brag!

Son and his big pony just made moved up to Intermediate, had improved dressage - still a work in progress but getting more consistent, brilliant XC round and one of the very few double clear SJ rounds at any level - finished 5th in one of the Intermediate divisions.

[tx3dayeventer]

I can tell you that he was bound and determined to get on Jam no matter what!

Wouldn't you?? I would!!!!!

[JER]

At The Fork everyone who fell was required to be checked by the medics prior to riding again. The was a system in place; the medics were given a list of everyone to be checked. The XC warmup stewards were also given the list and informed by the medics of anyone who had not been checked. As each person entered XC warmup, they were directed to the FEI Chief Steward, Sally O'Connor, for verfication and to get permission to ride.

Muck r us, I'm not criticizing protocol at the Fork. It's always good to hear that protocol is being followed with consistency and concern. :)

I spoke to Bruce, briefly, in XC warmup on Jam and he was smiling and talking coherently. He probably was in serious pain, but he certainly wasn't letting anyone see it.

Natasha Richardson was laughing, talking, etc after her accident. She had a skull fracture; Bruce had some facial fractures. Both types require a significant blow to the head.

I pretty much thought the purpose of the one fall rule is to not be allowed to continue THAT PARTICULAR RIDE. It makes total sense to me.

Well, yeah, that's what the rule says. So it makes sense in that sense.

But does it make sense to have a rider with facial fractures taking more horses out on course? Like I said, a facial fracture requires a significant impact to the head and a fractured nose/cheekbone/jaw can also lead to serious airway compromise.

And why does it 'make sense' that he can ride Jam and not the horse he fell from? Are you statistically more likely to fall off the horse you just fell off of? As an EMT, it makes no difference to me which horse you were riding when I need to transport you.

I also noticed that one rider at the Fork had two falls -- one at I and one at P -- and still completed on a third horse.

If you're ok to compete, you're ok to compete. The name of the horse shouldn't matter except for scoring. If we claim that you're not safe to continue after a fall, you're not safe to continue on any horse. That makes sense to me.

For the record, I don't support the one-fall rule as written because it simply is not a safety rule except for those riding only one horse. Most falls do not result in significant injury and I think British Eventing has done the right thing by using their data to repeal the rule in the UK. But if we're going to have a one-fall rule and if it's going to be under the guise of safety, let's actually make it about actual safety, even if it inconveniences some of us.

[clivers]

I also noticed that one rider at the Fork had two falls -- one at I and one at P -- and still completed on a third horse.
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Not to derail the conversation, but I noticed that too - Although the rider had 4 rides and placed well in the 3* and also completed on another horse in Prelim. Maybe the horses were a little green for the level or something? I wonder what happened...

[crittertwitter]

critter - your sister looked great yesterday! Boy can that horse jump.

Thanks! They had so much fun! :D

[Stay Gold]

Anyone know who has taking photos?

[DLee]

[QUOTE=JER;4000946]

If you're ok to compete, you're ok to compete.

QUOTE]

But I guess I'm saying, DURING a xc round, when time is of the essence, there is much less time to determine whether someone is "ok to compete", right? Isn't that what the rule is for? Preventing someone from remounting and finishing immediately?
I mean, would you rather someone was out for the ENTIRE competition on every horse, for one fall, no matter how simple? Imagine the hue and cry over that rule?
I don't want to derail this thread rehashing the one fall rule, but it seems to me there is no one easy black and white answer. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[groom]

[QUOTE=JER;4000946]

If you're ok to compete, you're ok to compete.

QUOTE]


I mean, would you rather someone was out for the ENTIRE competition on every horse, for one fall, no matter how simple? Imagine the hue and cry over that rule?
I don't want to derail this thread rehashing the one fall rule, but it seems to me there is no one easy black and white answer. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.


This makes a lot of sense if your overarching priority is to protect human lives. Hue and cry? Maybe. This will only affect the 2%ers who ride multiple horses AND happen to fall, but those 2%ers will certainly pitch a tantrum, for sure. I imagine Darren will be livid.

[JER]

I mean, would you rather someone was out for the ENTIRE competition on every horse, for one fall, no matter how simple? Imagine the hue and cry over that rule?

I stated my preference in my previous post. However, if this rule is actually going to function as a safety rule, it has to apply to all of a rider's rides.

As for the hue and cry, bring it on. If a rider has to think twice about how many horses to ride, when to move up a horse, what horses to run where and when to find non-eventing job for an unsuitable horse -- shouldn't this make for a safer (albeit less lucrative) sport?

[IFG]

Muck r us, I'm not criticizing protocol at the Fork. It's always good to hear that protocol is being followed with consistency and concern. :)



Natasha Richardson was laughing, talking, etc after her accident. She had a skull fracture; Bruce had some facial fractures. Both types require a significant blow to the head.



Well, yeah, that's what the rule says. So it makes sense in that sense.

But does it make sense to have a rider with facial fractures taking more horses out on course? Like I said, a facial fracture requires a significant impact to the head and a fractured nose/cheekbone/jaw can also lead to serious airway compromise.

And why does it 'make sense' that he can ride Jam and not the horse he fell from? Are you statistically more likely to fall off the horse you just fell off of? As an EMT, it makes no difference to me which horse you were riding when I need to transport you.

I also noticed that one rider at the Fork had two falls -- one at I and one at P -- and still completed on a third horse.

If you're ok to compete, you're ok to compete. The name of the horse shouldn't matter except for scoring. If we claim that you're not safe to continue after a fall, you're not safe to continue on any horse. That makes sense to me.

For the record, I don't support the one-fall rule as written because it simply is not a safety rule except for those riding only one horse. Most falls do not result in significant injury and I think British Eventing has done the right thing by using their data to repeal the rule in the UK. But if we're going to have a one-fall rule and if it's going to be under the guise of safety, let's actually make it about actual safety, even if it inconveniences some of us.

I completely agree with JER. I do not support the one fall rule. I think those that do support it, should think about the implications of taking a rider off one horse, but letting them compete on another. IMHO, it is an all or nothing issue. Either you are unsafe to ride or you are not. Either you support the rule for one fall and you go home or you should not logically support the rule.

[Fred]

does anyone know where the photos are posted?

thanks

[crittertwitter]

Fred, Pics of You was there. See photos here: http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/thumbpage.aspx?e=4638904

I think Shannon Brinkman was there - haven't checked her site, though.

[retreadeventer]

Ok, I get to brag!

Son and his big pony just made moved up to Intermediate, had improved dressage - still a work in progress but getting more consistent, brilliant XC round and one of the very few double clear SJ rounds at any level - finished 5th in one of the Intermediate divisions.

I saw that! Cheers, cheers, cheers! :)))

[NeverTime]

We went for the CIC. It was the most gorgeous weekend - perfect weather, perfect footing, beautiful venue, wonderful volunteers everywhere - and it would have been the perfect setting to have a great run. Unfortunately, I tried running in a new bit this weekend and it didn't work as well as hoped. We retired early on in the course after it became apparent that, while my horse was jumping the fences well, I had little steering - and no left turn - between the fences.
So, instead of firming up (old, I'd thought/hoped dead) bad habits inside his head, "Zoolander" and I retired.
It was disappointing not to complete, of course, but it was more disappointing because this bit change - out of a gag, to something more subtle - didn't work. He'd been running well in the "bigger" bit and I thought we'd used that bit as a tool to help brake the cycle and fix those old issues. Disappointing to see that wasn't the case.

[GotSpots]

NeverTime - I was sorry to hear you'd retired. Better luck next time!

I second the applause for the event: they do a tremendous job and even with the downpour on Thursday night, hardly any issues getting trucks in or out of stabling. The courses were amazing, and the footing spectacular - by Sunday morning, the turf was springy and just about perfect. Lots of horses looking very pleased with themselves, and the tracks were thoughtful enough to require good riding and separating out the scores by a pretty good margin while leaving horses and riders much more educated than they were going out.

Small comment: I do think they mis-measured the preliminary track by a big amount: when folks are finishing a minute early on a 5:17 course and just about everyone makes the time, I suspect the course was exceptionally generously wheeled. That aside, Jim Cogdell and his crew really do everything right at this event and they are incredibly gracious and obliging hosts. The Fork is always one of our very favorite events, and even waiting around until almost 5pm to show jump was worth it!

[crittertwitter]

Hey, GotSpots, I saw Truman finished on his Dressage score. :cool: Big pats. What a good guy! True, clear rounds in stadium were rare!

NeverTime. :( Sorry you guys didn't complete. He looks like a great athlete and it sounds like you made the wisest decision to save him for next time. When's your next one?

It really was a beautiful weekend all around... the courses and the facility have made it a definite favorite for us, but the weather and the great volunteers and abundance of fine horses just made it a wonderful weekend... it was an ideal place to be in that space and time.

I saw Bruce after his ride on Jam and he was shrouded in a big smile. Who'd have known he'd shortly before broken his nose, etc.? Anyway, if you've been eventing that long, it's a given that 1. you know how to ride and 2. you're darned tough.

[GotSpots]

If only said dressage score hadn't been so completely god-awful! Of course, when the judge blows the whistle and stops you halfway through to tell you that you've made an error, then stops you again and say "Oops, my mistake, you were right", it does tend to interrupt the flow. Though given the attack of equine spazmosis that we were going through (wind/fit horse/shortened warmup/semi-incompetent rider), there wasn't all that much flow to begin with. Sigh. At least he redeems himself pretty spectactularly to the jumps.

[Jazzy Lady]

I saw that in the results Got Spots! People with 20+ faults on the prelim made the time... weird.

[snoopy]

I saw that in the results Got Spots! People with 20+ faults on the prelim made the time... weird.


So I am thumbing through a magazine and there on the second page is our own Jazzy and Roux in a field of flowers...

[LexInVA]

So I am thumbing through a magazine and there on the second page is our own Jazzy and Roux in a field a flowers...

Are they pretty flowers?

[snoopy]

Are they pretty flowers?

So pretty that when I saw them I immediately thought of you.

[Jazzy Lady]

So I am thumbing through a magazine and there on the second page is our own Jazzy and Roux in a field of flowers...

Really? What magazine?

Rouxtard is kinda photogenic so we get to do lots of photo shoots for Christina Handley. :)

[snoopy]

Really? What magazine?

Rouxtard is kinda photogenic so we get to do lots of photo shoots for Christina Handley. :)


It was a christina "stock" photo...so you must have signed your rights away in order for them to use your picture...I think. I think it was horse illustrated.

[Jazzy Lady]

It was a christina "stock" photo...so you must have signed your rights away in order for them to use your picture...I think. I think it was horse illustrated.

Yup, I sign my rights away for pictures. lol. Such is life.

[purplnurpl]

What the heck happened to Clark?
did you guys already cover this? I skimmed the 3 pages and didn't see anything about Up Spirit and XC.

[GreyDun]

Clark had a fall at the Trakehner (on the backside of the main water) - both guys were okay.

(it's mentioned in the 2nd paragraph of the USEA XC report (http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?section=gcs&id=1883))

[purplnurpl]

well Damn.
I wonder if he's going to skip Rolex now...?

[DustInTime04]

Congratulations GotSpots, looks like you two are off to a great season!

Congrats also to Jenny and Cooper! I love that pair!