Cesar Milan and Pat Parelli

[Saidapal]

I just heard they are doing a show together Friday, April 3rd at 8 PM on National Geographic channel.

Seriously, is there ANYWHERE these people don't stick their noses in? What's next - The Pat Parelli, Elvis Presley and Elton John show? Or maybe Deal or No Deal with Pat Parelli?

Jeez.

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

Wow. My respect for Cesar Milan just bottomed out.

[ddashaq]

Well, that is unfortunate.

[drmgncolor]

Wow. My respect for Cesar Milan just bottomed out.

Ditto

[bort84]

Aw, sad. Well, I guess Cesar probably wouldn't have anyway of knowing much about PP. And a lot of people don't really like Cesar... I do = ) But I know there are "real" dog trainers out there that think his methods are abusive (seems like a stretch to call him abusive).

And, some of PP's initial theories aren't bad for the extreme beginners he's working with that just want safe horsie pets (a lot like the dog people Cesar deals with). I guess PP's methods just got a little too wacky with all the marketing. That stuff is just crazy! "Real" horse training is much less interesting to the unknowledgeable public.

That being said, it might be an interesting show... I'll probably end up watching it. Oh dear, am I the problem? Perhaps...

[JollyBadger]

Awww. . .say it ain't so, Cesar! Say it ain't so!

Does this mean he's going to start waving Majik wands and serving Kool-Aid, too?

:::sigh:::

[JSwan]

I just heard they are doing a show together Friday, April 3rd at 8 PM on National Geographic channel.




Oh dear God in heaven.

[arabhorse2]

I just heard they are doing a show together Friday, April 3rd at 8 PM on National Geographic channel.

Oh crap. :no:

Nat Geo is one of the few channels I get with my basic satellite service, and I've enjoyed Cesar Milan's show the infrequent times I've seen it. I think of it as "dog training lite". :D

So now he's teaming up with the Poo-rellis. Guess I've watched my last Dog Whisperer then! :lol:

[horse-loverz]

No it will just mean the Parelliites will be waving their carrot sticks and saying shhhht... shhhht....


Or the carrot sticks will now come in beef flavor for the dogs... either way:rolleyes::p

[Czar]

And a lot of people don't really like Cesar... I do = ) But I know there are "real" dog trainers out there that think his methods are abusive (seems like a stretch to call him abusive).


:uhoh: I suddenly just realized that I might be the equivalent of a Parelli follower in the dog world!!!! :eek:

I love the Dog Whisperer & thought that Cesar's techniques seemed genuinely intuitive. Mind you, I don't know a ton about training dogs - did I just admit to having swallowed a bunch of marketing BS???!! I feel so ashamed!

P.S. On a side note, I don't care if Cesar was Pat Parelli's brother; he's still WAAYYY better than that "End of my Leash" guy...I can't STAND him!

[JollyBadger]

No it will just mean the Parelliites will be waving their carrot sticks and saying shhhht... shhhht....


Or the carrot sticks will now come in beef flavor for the dogs... either way:rolleyes::p

LOL:lol::lol:

[hitchinmygetalong]

Well, I'm disappointed. I really like Cesar Milan and I think he's done a lot of good for a lot of dogs and people.

I will say I watched one show that had a woman on a "ranch" in SoCal, and he seemed very caution around the horse. I don't think he had been around them much and it showed.

[bort84]

No it will just mean the Parelliites will be waving their carrot sticks and saying shhhht... shhhht....


Or the carrot sticks will now come in beef flavor for the dogs... either way:rolleyes::p

Hahah!!! Maybe you should start developing these products now! You could make millions!

[vacation1]

Oh, this I gotta see. Milan's a tool. All that macho 'I have a pack of pit bulls following me around!' posturing. Blehhhh.

[horse-loverz]

PP and Caesar Milan switch roles...

*snap* ssssht
_:cool:
<|-` _<\___~
_/\_____//_\\

Time for games....
___:D
__<|-/~~_=\
___/\______/\)


The result

:rolleyes:__*yawn*
|>__<\___/
/\___//__\\oo

PP no difference..

:eek:
/=_____(____/=/~~
/>______>>_>>


Caesar.. is rethinking the beef/carrot stick idea...

[pines4equines]

That stick art is incredible!!!

Previous poster said: "P.S. On a side note, I don't care if Cesar was Pat Parelli's brother; he's still WAAYYY better than that "End of my Leash" guy...I can't STAND him!"

I like Cesar but don't like that English woman on Animal Planet. Is it "It's me or the dog?"

I have to watch...You say 8PM on Friday?

[Guilherme]

A marriage made in Hell for a future "South Park" episode?

I didn't think you could fit two giant egos on one TV screen (except in the NBA).

G.

[bort84]

A marriage made in Hell for a future "South Park" episode?

I didn't think you could fit two giant egos on one TV screen (except in the NBA).

G.

Wow, as a big fan of South Park, that would be amazing! Not sure enough animal people know PP to do a South Park on him, but probably Cesar. Still, that would be great!

[Arizona DQ]

Or the carrot sticks will now come in beef flavor for the dogs... either way:rolleyes::p


Aww, my dogs love carrots and apples as much as my horse!!:D

[twobays]

Wow, as a big fan of South Park, that would be amazing! Not sure enough animal people know PP to do a South Park on him, but probably Cesar. Still, that would be great!


There already is a SP with Cesar! :yes:

[TBMaggie]

:eek::eek::eek:
How about PP and Caesar talking about South Park on Oprah??

[philosoraptor]

A marriage made in Hell for a future "South Park" episode?

I love the Cesar trains Cartman episode! (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155255)

[bort84]

I love the Cesar trains Cartman episode! (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155255)

Ah! How did I miss that?! It does ring a bell though, now that you mention it... Must watch.

[Penthilisea]

Cesar Milan actually grew up around horses - I believe on one episode he mentioned it.
I am also a big fan, I want him to pick out my next dog, as I am currently dog less.

"Dog Whisperer Cesar Millan and celebrated Horse Whisperer Pat Parelli are teaming up to help rebuild troubled relationships between dogs and horses. Is your dog aggressive toward your horse, or vice versa? Are your dog and horse fearful of each other? Both world-renowned Whisperers invite you to send in your submission tapes introducing both your dog and your horse to explain the problems that they are having with each other."

[tkhawk]

The dog whisperer and the horse whisperer!:lol:
All this whispering reminds me of someone I used to ride with-she called herself the horse screamer and was proud of it!!:lol:

[AliCat]

I am a fan of Cesar, not so much of Pat. I will probably watch it.

[CatOnLap]

Celebrated? horse whisperer?

I will celebrate when PP retires. I am tired of his devotees shouting their "savvy" in my ear.

Milan- hmm. Not being a dog trainer but only a dog slave, I did watch his videos on training. And thought I was a total putz because they didn't work for me like they did for him. There are some interesting little films on him if you search youtube and the like, which show him needing to employ muzzles, to lay dogs down and dominate them and to take weeks to achieve the results that appear on camera in seconds. Then I talked to my big Bro who edits film in hollywooood. As I suspected, just like in reality shows, the Milan shows are heavily edited and foreshorten the process, show the very best results, and like any miracle program **YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY***

[twofatponies]

I just heard they are doing a show together Friday, April 3rd at 8 PM on National Geographic channel.

Seriously, is there ANYWHERE these people don't stick their noses in? What's next - The Pat Parelli, Elvis Presley and Elton John show? Or maybe Deal or No Deal with Pat Parelli?

Jeez.

Oh, I was so hoping this was that celebrity death-match thread coming back to life!!!! :D

[Nightlace]

I have to admit I don't know anything about Cesar Milan. But I do enjoy watching well-trained sheep dogs herd sheep. I have also enjoyed watching Pat Parelli work his cattle dogs, with & without cattle. They seemed very well trained. Of course, this comes from someone who is trained by my dog.....:yes:

[DLee]

I will definitely watch it, as I have a horse that kicked my dog the second day she was here. :( I had never in all my years, had that happen before. I watch her like a hawk now, and I'm never quite sure about her. And I have a new puppy now as well. Should be interesting.

[Sue from Auckland]

Words by the Barron Knights - performance by ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zxxnYqYMU4

[Guilherme]

Wow, as a big fan of South Park, that would be amazing! Not sure enough animal people know PP to do a South Park on him, but probably Cesar. Still, that would be great!

Interesting for Christmas Time In Hell, 2009. :cool:

G.

[bugsynskeeter]

OMG...I had the same thought about PP being on South Park. The Cesar episode is one of my favorites.

And I too just lost a lot of respect for Cesar. *sigh*

[Mozart]

Well I think that if I had a choice I would rather be a Cesar Milan owned dog than a Parelli owned horse. The dogs get to go jogging on the beach, the horses have to play silly games.

[citydog]

Now there's a perfect match.

Wow. My respect for Cesar Milan just bottomed out.

What on earth did he ever do to earn it in the first place?

:uhoh: I suddenly just realized that I might be the equivalent of a Parelli follower in the dog world!!!! :eek:

There are indeed many reasons that he is despised by dog trainers (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20444826822&ref=ts) (and it's not because we're jealous of his media success).

I hope those of you who like Millan take the time to read some of the information at this link (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20444826822&ref=ts).

“Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways. My college thinks it is a travesty. We’ve written to National Geographic Channel and told them they have put dog training back 20 years.”
Dr. Nicholas Dodman - Professor and Head, Section of Animal Behavior
Director of Behavior Clinic, Tufts University - Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine

[Woodland]

Wow. My respect for Cesar Milan just bottomed out.

Yeah - i am done with him now...just sad.....

I will just have to back to chasing them back into the yard with the big yellow broom because i do not want to be "flooding" them. Man when they go in the road and I get out the BIG yellow broom they head home lickty split. THEN I put the shock collars on a plug in the fence to keep them out of the road. Dam dogs!

[EponaRoan]

I hope it goes better than the Norwegian Warhound episode ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIpxI5QGmcg

;):lol:;)

(My girl dog is a dead ringer for the "Norwegian Warhound".)

[ThisTooShallPass]

Note the shock collars, far too often, under the bandanas around dogs necks. Why is he "hiding" them? :confused:

[Woodland]

I hope it goes better than the Norwegian Warhound episode ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIpxI5QGmcg

;):lol:;)

(My girl dog is a dead ringer for the "Norwegian Warhound".)


OMG That is SO funny!!!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[twofatponies]

Now there's a perfect match.
...

I hope those of you who like Millan take the time to read some of the information at this link (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20444826822&ref=ts).

“Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways. My college thinks it is a travesty. We’ve written to National Geographic Channel and told them they have put dog training back 20 years.”
Dr. Nicholas Dodman - Professor and Head, Section of Animal Behavior
Director of Behavior Clinic, Tufts University - Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine

Given the above (I read some of the articles linked from the facebook group), what on earth does CM have to do with PP? Isn't the main complaint here about PP that horses trained by that method have no boundaries, have no manners, can't be used for anything productive like riding, and are usually owned by wishy-washy middle aged women who don't want to do anything strict or tough with their widdle ponie-wonie?

And on the other hand the main complaint about CM is the exact opposite, that he is too tough, too disciplinarian, and allows no room for games, praise and fun?

Besides the idea (expressed in some of the articles linked to that facebook group) that CM thinks women are useless bundles of emotion, and PP's main angle (as I understand it from gripes on COTH) is to give women lots of fun, harmless games to play with their ponies?

What on earth will this combination produce? It seems like two trainers with completely different approaches. Utterly bizarre.

[drmgncolor]

Maybe I will have to watch for the entertainment factor alone. I have no issues with my dog and my horse 's relationship. Though, I can't say that for a couple of other horses at the farm, but my dog has learned just to stay away from those few. She actually follows along behind Color and me like a good trail dog and my horse has never kicked out at her. (I know, never say never). I did a ton of off leash work (actually used some of Ceasar's techniques) and have taken her backpacking and mountain biking and trail riding since she was a wee puppy.

ETA: The Ceasar/Cartman episode rocks!

[tkhawk]

Probably a great marketing scheme. The Parellis have teamed up with the O'Connors, Walter Zettl and so on. So this probably just helps them expand their audience. It should be fun watching this unfold. Although a celebrity deathmatch might be more fun!:lol:

[vacation1]

the idea (expressed in some of the articles linked to that facebook group) that CM thinks women are useless bundles of emotion, and PP's main angle (as I understand it from gripes on COTH) is to give women lots of fun, harmless games to play with their ponies?What on earth will this combination produce? It seems like two trainers with completely different approaches. Utterly bizarre.

It's two sides of the same coin. Millan uses the fact that women are accustomed to being bullied by men to browbeat them into accepting his 'become the alpha' schtick. Parelli uses the fact that after enough go-rounds with men like Milan, many women equate assertiveness with abuse, and are hungry for something that feels more loving that the alpha training they themselves have received from jerkoffs like Milan. Parelli wouldn't exist without Milan. Neither one treats female owner/trainers with any respect; one's just more overtly obnoxious than the other.

[Pirateer]

Psh.

I love CM and I think that anyone who can deal with the nitwit "Californi-mommies" is genius. I'd have sicc'd the pitbulls on them.

PP is just an enabler for those women. They should be spayed and have their horses taken away.

[Sebastian]

Psh.

I love CM and I think that anyone who can deal with the nitwit "Californi-mommies" is genius. I'd have sicc'd the pitbulls on them.

PP is just an enabler for those women. They should be spayed and have their horses taken away.

Say WHAT??? :mad:

Seb

[Bluehorsesjp]

Wow, as a big fan of South Park, that would be amazing! Not sure enough animal people know PP to do a South Park on him, but probably Cesar. Still, that would be great!

Cesar was already on South Park. He tried to train Cartman. :lol:

[EponaRoan]

Cesar was already on South Park. He tried to train Cartman. :lol:

He succeeded in training Cartman. Cartman's mother failed at keeping him trained (and also had a big old crush on Cesar). ;)

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

Brilliant episode.

They should do one on Pat Parelli, like the kind they did on Paris Hilton...

[Alexie]

i began to get little warning shivers of horror about CM when i noticed he used the word "alpha" a lot.

that word traumatises me now after reading Parelli fans witter on about being "alpha" on equine forums.

i'm heaving now after writing "alpha" so many times!

having said that , i'd watch it, i'm masochistic like that.

[twofatponies]

Maybe someone could invent "omega" training. Key techniques for approaching your horse/dog/husband/wife/cat:

1. do whatever you want...no really, it's okay, I don't mind
2. no, please, help yourself, I didn't need that anyway...
3. don't mind me, I hope I'm not bothering you. I can leave if you want...

;D

[XenophonKnows]

"omega" training.... Hah, I like it. Sadly, I also recognize it, and see it every day..:(

[Griffyn]

Sadly I think Im the Omega Trainer after 2 days of trying to clip this beastly mare and very little to show for it. Spoiled brat! Not to mention I have no helper for a twitch end of it or we'd be done allready. Im not that good at clipping left handed, so the results are somewhat, er, unspectacular. I may have to take a break and watch TV- PP and Cesar will surely show me the way!

[Bluey]

Anyone knows were that program will be shown on Dish Satellite?
Either I don't have a subscription for it, or just can't find it anywhere.:confused:

Never mind, it is on ch 186 and I don't get it, that's why I could not find it.

[SuperSTB]

I love the Cesar trains Cartman episode! (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155255)

I just watched that- hilarious!!!

Milan... Parelli... not exactly striving for good tv nowadays are we.

[Karma]

Episode on now!

[bethechangexx]

Episode on now!

As long as you get the channel. :( And here I was hoping for some good entertainment tonight.

[Griffyn]

Watching now, even made Caesar salad as an accompaniment

[Bluey]

Watching now, even made Caesar salad as an accompaniment

:lol: :D :winkgrin:

Give us your impressions, please, when you have a minute.:yes:

[dalpal]

Pat will never make Southpark, because the general population doesn't know who he is...he's a legend in his own mind. :lol:

Maybe Ceaser was confused.....he kept referring to the horse whisperere...Pat ParAlli or something similar (can't remember now)..but definitely wasnt' Parelli. :lol:

I didn't read this thread till now, so it was a surprise to see Patti on the Dog Whisperer....and for anyone who missed it, don't worry, Linda made sure that she got on camera.

All I have to say about the women and the mare.....COME ON!!!! Good grief, ever heard of discipling a horse for that type of behavior, instead of screaming and jumping out of her way???? No wonder the mare took advantage of them.

Pat was somewhat reserved, although he got a few of his long winded limrics in.

Overall, it wasn't anything to write home about.

[Griffyn]

PP gave the ABC's of his thing, but focused on calm assertive contol, as did Cesar. They both added a bit of control over the well meaning but underpowered lady- and happily ever after! Im not a fan of the method per se --but I do like the "energy" they project. Relaxed and in charge. I wish I had that--even a bit neutral or detatched. Im pretty sure I dont do my horses or dogs any favors by being alternately sharp and impaitent, then indulgent and lax. It wasnt magic, it was emotional consistency, something that especially the dog owner lacked.

[copper1]

I like CM and think he does a great job with dogs and people. Some dogs do need to be "put in theri place" and he is not abusive when he does it. I actually think that many of the dog owners need it far more than their pets!
I watched the Dog Whisper last night and PP was kind of neutral. I thought the ladies though well meaning, didn't appear to be real experienced with horses so easy to see how the little mare got out of hand with them.
Sure glad LP didn't start demonstrating her riding skills or her saddle!

[JeanM]

PP gave the ABC's of his thing, but focused on calm assertive contol, as did Cesar. They both added a bit of control over the well meaning but underpowered lady- and happily ever after! Im not a fan of the method per se --but I do like the "energy" they project. Relaxed and in charge. I wish I had that--even a bit neutral or detatched. Im pretty sure I dont do my horses or dogs any favors by being alternately sharp and impaitent, then indulgent and lax. It wasnt magic, it was emotional consistency, something that especially the dog owner lacked.

Exactly -- someone comes into a situation -- where a horse or dog has suffered living with a weak, wishy-washy non-leader -- who is capable of calmly and assertively taking on the leadership role, and the horse or dog is going, "HALLELUJAH!!"

As for that mare. Initially I looked at her misshapen back (hump in the lumbar region) & wondered how much of her behavior was from pain -- but then, it's not as though any horse being used in a therapy program is carrying weight and doing much beyond a walk. And as it turned out, all that mare needed (wanted!) was to have someone else but her be the one in charge. Like what another horse in a herd would be to her. I suppose, given the stabling limitations out there, most horses aren't getting much if any herd time. Too bad, as it could alleviate the situation somewhat, although still if the horse doesn't consider the human to be a leader, having herd time isn't going to change that dynamic.

It wasn't exactly a thrilling episode. I appreciated PP's restraint (not quite his usual bombastic self), but was queasy at CM's ass-kissing, hero worship attitude. (My eye-rolling muscles were getting a workout)

[CatOnLap]

It's two sides of the same coin. Millan uses the fact that women are accustomed to being bullied by men to browbeat them into accepting his 'become the alpha' schtick. Parelli uses the fact that after enough go-rounds with men like Milan, many women equate assertiveness with abuse, and are hungry for something that feels more loving that the alpha training they themselves have received from jerkoffs like Milan. Parelli wouldn't exist without Milan. Neither one treats female owner/trainers with any respect; one's just more overtly obnoxious than the other.

Worth repeating. Good analysis.

I guess "abuse" is in the eye of the beholder. From what I saw on the covert videos of CM, I wondered what else he does off camera or what gets edited out. His laying down an agressive dog in a muzzle and forcing it to stay down for a long time didn't look any different from other trainers that he calls abusive. Without muzzling the dog, he would've been bitten many times as the dog tried to get him through the muzzle. I fail to see how his method is more humane than any other technique, despite what the charming latinesque guy says. The magic, to me, is all in the video editors' cuts.

[Bluey]

Worth repeating. Good analysis.

I guess "abuse" is in the eye of the beholder. From what I saw on the covert videos of CM, I wondered what else he does off camera or what gets edited out. His laying down an agressive dog in a muzzle and forcing it to stay down for a long time didn't look any different from other trainers that he calls abusive. Without muzzling the dog, he would've been bitten many times as the dog tried to get him through the muzzle. I fail to see how his method is more humane than any other technique, despite what the charming latinesque guy says. The magic, to me, is all in the video editors' cuts.

The "alpha roll" myth was debunked many years ago:

http://www.therealdogblog.com/2009/02/debunking-the-alpha-roll-myth.html

CM is way behind the times on that and much else.
As a trainer, he is crude and his skills antiquated at best.
They do make for a good show, as long as it can be edited at will, of course.;)

[pines4equines]

I watched the show and I couldn't get past the fact that CM WAS gushing all over Pat Parelli.

[slc2]

I'm actually teaching my dog to jump around, bark and knock me over and rip my clothes when I point at him and go 'sh! sh!'

I'm going to videotape him, and send it to Cesar Milan.

No, the rollover was not 'debunked'. THe animal in the video is rolling over himself because he got slammed enough times that he knows what to do to keep from getting the shit kicked out of him. Most pups learn that so quickly they never have to be rolled over. They do it themselves because they have been trained by their mother and their superiors in the pack.

It works. Laying a dog down works. Showing a dog you are tougher than they are works. But if that's the ONLY thing a dog trainer can do, he's a fool. If that's something he says you NEVER have to do, he's also a fool. And a dangerous one.

Some dogs are very, very rough. They bite, they are aggressive, and they need someone handling them that is just as tough as they are. Once the trainer makes his point, though, it should not be necessary to keep making the point over and over. Someone who is just harsh with a dog because it makes them feel powerful is just messed up.

Quite a few of those aggressive dogs ALSO need to be put to sleep. You can't guarantee there will always be an assertive professional around to handle them. It is not always 'the child's fault' when the dog rips a kid's face off.

'Did you tease the dog?' is not really a realistic question. No dog is supposed to bite, that's all. Having someone stare at him is not an excuse. He ain't supposed to bite. He isn't even supposed to growl, and if he does, he needs to get his clock cleaned.

You don't fix an aggressive dog by being poised and intellectual with them or by 'projecting an air of confidence'.

I like some things Cesar does. He is good at keeping very rough dogs in line and he does it quickly.

And NO. I am quite sure they don't show you everything he does. A dog doesn't quit doing something because you go 'sh!' under your breath and point at him, unless you first teach him that if he doesn't quit, the next thing aftter 'sh!' is that the wrath of heaven is going to descend upon his head.

He is, however, pandering to people who want to imagine they can control a rough dog by acting poised and never laying down the line or doing anything uncomfortable.

That's bull, and we often see him revisit customers who are STILL having problems, SERIOUS PROBLEMS, DANGEROUS PROBLEMS, with their dogs and he's all cheerful about how they are getting better.

They aren't. This is really what I don't like about him. THAT is very, very irresponsible. Eventually he is going to get sued very big, and fade into the bric-a-brac.

That and he is just getting far far too touchy feely and talking about all sorts of 'energy' and 'auras' you give off and control your dog.

Fine, but there are times when owners need to give up their dogs to someone more appropriate, and plenty of other times when the dogs really need to be put to sleep. Quickly.

The worst and saddest part of his show is the many owners who get a dog thinking it is going to be like some sort of stuffed toy, and they don't train the dog or themselves, then it's the dog's fault. But their problems have to be corrected ,and the way to do that isn't always exactly dainty. Dogs are predators. They have teeth. And they bite. The saddest cases...no, actually, I don't know which cases are sadder. The little messed up dogs, or the big messed up dogs.

[Barbhorses]

Ceasar just surprises the dogs to get them to stop certain behaviors or he doesn't flinch and back away from a dog when it is being aggressive. He is not a dog trainer. He is a behaviorist. Although, technically if he doesn't have a masters degree in that then he cannot be a licensed behaviorist. I have been training dogs for 14 years. Some of what Ceasar does is beneficial. I lost respect for him when he couldn't even put a pinch collar on correctly. I mean come on! That is REALLY basic right there!

Ceasar is just like PP in that he is making up all this stuff to make money. Like that absurd new collar of his and his horridly expensive training treats and do it yourself videos.

[TouchstoneAcres]

Actually they both just discovered the only way to make money in horses or dogs, that's all.