dressage score of 102.00 penalites....

[snoopy]

at sheply hill intermediate division in 1976.

Wonder who that could be?;):lol: Dear oh dear. What EXACTLY does one have to do to achieve this?

[crittertwitter]

:lol: OK. I'm chomping at the bit with no where to go. Who were they and what did they do?

[crittertwitter]

Nothing yet? Awfully tight fisted at the keyboards there.

[Hony]

That's not a score, it's a sign.

[RAyers]

Woo Hoo! Shiv and I finally beat somebody! Too bad it has to go back 33 years to do it.

Reed

[JER]

A few years ago at Badminton, the late Caroline Pratt managed a dressage score of 106.6 on the appropriately-named Primitive Control.

The Badminton website published the scoresheet, which was basically in binary code, just an assortment of 0s and 1s. Photos showed the horse making minimal contact with the ground.

But heck, he went clean on XC the next day.

[Scaramouch]

If Google isn't failing me, the best dressage score in that division was a 66.00. How times change? Adjusted to make that, say ... a 26, the 102 would be a 62. :lol:

[2016 RoyalCrown KTug]

Ouch! :eek:

[LR1976]

Wow, that's bad! :lol: Makes me feel better.

[olympicdreams04]

Our very own Denny on Victor Dakin so artfully accumulated 102 points. I had heard this story from the "horse's mouth" so to speak once upon a time. Phyllis Dawson, at a horse trial also in '76, FINISHED on a score of 388.6. 71 dressage, 180 XC penalties (fall of horse, fall of rider, and stops I assume), 96 time, 30 stadium.

[flutie1]

Bowling scores!

[denny]

I don`t remember that specific score, but I do remember one thing about Victor from Ledyard in 1975.

As I rode over toward the dressage arena, I could literally feel his heart start to hammer under my leg. He was that scared of dressage.

Much of that stemmed from his past, I learned, but no doubt also much from my lack of knowing how to deal with that much anxiety, 35 years ago.

One reason I was able to get Victor was because the Canadian coach had written him off, I also later learned, (because of his dressage antipathy)

Sometimes he`d be ok, but he had it in him to have real meltdowns. Poor guy.

[BaroquePony]

Ok, I know there's a lot of strange stuff that goes on (and has gone on for centuries) in the horse world, but what the heck does someone do to a horse that makes them horrified of the dressage arena? And that was before the day of the Dressage Queen (they make me horrified of the dressage arena).

[Jeannette, formerly ponygyrl]

Worked as a prep for winning Radnor advanced a month later...

[denny]

I think you can do lots of things to very young horses which can injure them emotionally for the rest of their lives. Like breaking them at 3 with a full bridle, which Victor still remembered when I got him at 10.

[snoopy]

I don`t remember that specific score, but I do remember one thing about Victor from Ledyard in 1975.

As I rode over toward the dressage arena, I could literally feel his heart start to hammer under my leg. He was that scared of dressage.

Much of that stemmed from his past, I learned, but no doubt also much from my lack of knowing how to deal with that much anxiety, 35 years ago.

One reason I was able to get Victor was because the Canadian coach had written him off, I also later learned, (because of his dressage antipathy)

Sometimes he`d be ok, but he had it in him to have real meltdowns. Poor guy.




Denny what level was at when you acquired Victor, what year was this...I am assuming it was a year or so before Burghley 74...and who was his previous owner?

[Kanga]

Denny-

Are you refering to a double bridle when you say 'full bridle'?

[Sabovee]

Denny-

Are you refering to a double bridle when you say 'full bridle'?

C'est la meme chose.
(It's the same thing, it's called both a full and a double bridle)

[cyriz's mom]

Not saying those aren't bad dressage scores, but keep in mind that the scoring formula for dressage was different back then.

Can't remember exactly, but you added up points, subtracted from the total possible and multiplied by .4 or .6 or something. So the points you carried into the other phases were higher than today.

Maybe someone with pipe in with the correct formula.

[LAZ]

Not saying those aren't bad dressage scores, but keep in mind that the scoring formula for dressage was different back then.

Can't remember exactly, but you added up points, subtracted from the total possible and multiplied by .4 or .6 or something. So the points you carried into the other phases were higher than today.

Maybe someone with pipe in with the correct formula.

It varied at the event to some degree, but it was good points substracted from points possible and that multiplied by the coefficint of .6 most usually, but could be a different coefficient. At the lower levels regular dressage tests were used, TL for Novice, 1st 1 or 2 for T, and 1st 3 or 4 for Prelim. That's all I remember for sure, but I believe the I and Advanced tests have always had their own tests, at least at the 3 day level. Anyone else remember for sure?

[Bobthehorse]

Its pretty easy to turn a horse off dressage so much that they truly hate it forever. My horse was ruined for dressage before I got him at 10, he was for sale because he had gotten to the point where he would just buck everyone off at any amount of contact. He wasnt scared of dressage though, he was mad at it. I think just a lot of poor training, using hands and spurs to cram him into a hollow frame. Because he still will not tolerate any squared off spurs, even the teeny baby ones, and if you touch him with a whip and he doesnt think he deserves it, he will buck you off. He tolerates people that treat riding as a conversation, but prepare for full Bob wrath if you try to bully him into anything.

[Duramax]

Ok, I know there's a lot of strange stuff that goes on (and has gone on for centuries) in the horse world, but what the heck does someone do to a horse that makes them horrified of the dressage arena? And that was before the day of the Dressage Queen (they make me horrified of the dressage arena).

Sometimes nothing. :no: My little chestnut TB mare would routinely come out of a training or preliminary dressage test on a cool spring morning lathered like she had just done Badminton. I rode her for 8 years and at home she was rideable and gorgeous but the atmosphere of a show and all the chaos of warm-up would undo her. However, she would almost always go quadruple clean the rest of the weekend. If dressage could have been done at 520 mpm we would have won everything. :sigh: God rest her soul, poor little Shasta McNasty. :sadsmile:

[Dr. Doolittle]

Its pretty easy to turn a horse off dressage so much that they truly hate it forever. My horse was ruined for dressage before I got him at 10, he was for sale because he had gotten to the point where he would just buck everyone off at any amount of contact. He wasnt scared of dressage though, he was mad at it. I think just a lot of poor training, using hands and spurs to cram him into a hollow frame. Because he still will not tolerate any squared off spurs, even the teeny baby ones, and if you touch him with a whip and he doesnt think he deserves it, he will buck you off. He tolerates people that treat riding as a conversation, but prepare for full Bob wrath if you try to bully him into anything.

:no:

:sigh:

[Dr. Doolittle]

Sometimes nothing. :no: My little chestnut TB mare would routinely come out of a training or preliminary dressage test on a cool spring morning lathered like she had just done Badminton. I rode her for 8 years and at home she was rideable and gorgeous but the atmosphere of a show and all the chaos of warm-up would undo her. However, she would almost always go quadruple clean the rest of the weekend. If dressage could have been done at 520 mpm we would have won everything. :sigh: God rest her soul, poor little Shasta McNasty. :sadsmile:

Little chestnut mares, :sigh:

I think they often just have their own "demons" (not apropos of anything), and those who ride and love and compete them need to simply breathe deep and go with the flow--influence them when and where you are able to, and appreciate what they *do* have to offer!

(A sense of humor helps too...;))

[Janet]

What was the multiplier for Dressage in 1976?

[Foxtrot's]

I miss those days when dressage was not the be all and end all of the final score. When a good x-country round could salvage a poor dressage score and stadium made a difference
(sigh).

[Duramax]

Little chestnut mares, :sigh:

I think they often just have their own "demons" (not apropos of anything), and those who ride and love and compete them need to simply breathe deep and go with the flow--influence them when and where you are able to, and appreciate what they *do* have to offer!

(A sense of humor helps too...;))

So true! She was a homebred that my MIL gave me and she was a character builder... ;) :lol: I should have guesed what the future would hold when, at her very first recognized horse trial, she layed down at the gate that led from warm-up to the dressage arenas and wouldn't get up. :sigh:

[Arcadien]

Hey the way some of you talk, you'd think you never performed an entire dressage test in "Working Buck" before! (sheepish wink)

Actually that judge was generous, I think we got a few 4's - well our buck was a nicely balanced, athletic one and we did buck through all the proper figures, you know...

(Same judge, when I asked to be excused, looked me in the eye and growled "Make Her Work." Yes ma'am!)

(And yes, she went clear XC).

Sigh, that little mare of mine never really liked dressage either, but it was my lack of ability to relax her - I know I could do better with her today. She was so sensitive, the least bit of tightening up in me lit a fire of rebellion in her, and we just fed on each other then.

But boy could she jump!!!

Arcadien, missing the royal Princess

[goingplaces]

This is exactly what I needed to see as I am preparing for my first unrecognized BN event in two weeks! I have been panicking and wondering which will be more humiliating, a dressage score of 100 or dropping down to the elementary leadline group (I am an adult).

[snoopy]

Hey the way some of you talk, you'd think you never performed an entire dressage test in "Working Buck" before! (sheepish wink)



I once was VERY late getting to an event and had JUST enough time to get unloaded and saddled up for the dressage...it was cold (stonliegh burnham in late OCT/early NOV...cannot remember) and had to canter to the ring where I saluted and proceeded to canter most of the test. I cannot recall the score...blocked the trama from my brain:lol:. Bless my father who remarked "Why do they ask for so much cantering at this level?" The score must have been pretty bad because my mother looked at the rather high score and equated it to school...100 being the best... and I am sure I was pretty damn close as she threw her arms around me and told me how proud she was.:eek:

[RJW]

It's not that many years ago that dressage tests were not scored out of 200, but as many as 280 and 320, (i.e. more separate scores). That, combined with the multiplier of .6, meant that dressage scores were not comparable from test to test. If you did prelim you did 1st level 1 or 2, and got different ranges of numbers for each. So, yes, dressage is so much better today, but you can't compare those older tests score for score with today's tests directly.

[lstevenson]

The score must have been pretty bad because my mother looked at the rather high score and equated it to school...100 being the best... and I am sure I was pretty damn close as she threw her arms around me and told me how proud she was.:eek:


:lol:

[BaroquePony]

Originally posted by Duramax:

at her very first recognized horse trial, she layed down at the gate that led from warm-up to the dressage arenas and wouldn't get up. :sigh:

Originally posted by snoopy:

Bless my father who remarked "Why do they ask for so much cantering at this level?" The score must have been pretty bad because my mother looked at the rather high score and equated it to school...100 being the best... and I am sure I was pretty damn close as she threw her arms around me and told me how proud she was. :eek:

:lol:

[JFS]

Keep in mind that the scoring was different back then. A score in the mid 50's was basically a decent score, somewhere around 65% I think. Now 100 penalties still was NOT good it's not quite as bad as one would think :) In today's scoring it would mean that they got a ZERO on every movement!!

Jackie

[sisu27]

Its pretty easy to turn a horse off dressage so much that they truly hate it forever. My horse was ruined for dressage before I got him at 10, he was for sale because he had gotten to the point where he would just buck everyone off at any amount of contact. He wasnt scared of dressage though, he was mad at it. I think just a lot of poor training, using hands and spurs to cram him into a hollow frame. Because he still will not tolerate any squared off spurs, even the teeny baby ones, and if you touch him with a whip and he doesnt think he deserves it, he will buck you off. He tolerates people that treat riding as a conversation, but prepare for full Bob wrath if you try to bully him into anything.

My thbd is the same. He was beaten up and draw-reined within an inch of his live when a) he did not understand what was being asked of him and b) he was not physically able to comply anyways. His solution was to buck, rear, spin, bolt and run himself into the boards. 2 years later he is better but still not happy. I can relate to what Denny said about feeling the heart pound against your leg and mine also grinds his teeth. It is such a shame too as he probably has what it takes to get some 8s and 9s but relaxation may never come. I had to ride him in the same ring where the "trainer" who subjected him to this "program" was teaching once and he heard her voice and had a complete and total meltdown. She would brag about how he had tried to kill her and the fights they had. I hope she sees him out some day soon and realizes that you get far better results from finessing a horse like this than bullying. I guess that goes for all horses.

I would say I know more ring sour dressage horses than anything else. Sad.

[GotSpots]

Working buck...ah, yes, in the days when every test started with a halt at X, I was pretty proficient at "enter A working trot, X halt and rear." I'd like to think we've improved since then to the point where we're only showing off those gorgeous tempi changes in the Preliminary test . . .

[jumpxc]

I remember at the preliminary 3 day at Essex in 90 and 91 that the winning scores were in the upper 60's and my horse got an 80 in '90 and a 94 in '91! The test they used for that level was Second level 1 at the time. I also recall that I got an 83 in '94 at Radnor Intermediate 3 day! Jack LeGoff was the judge at C and he was appalled!
Amy

[Bobthehorse]

I hope she sees him out some day soon and realizes that you get far better results from finessing a horse like this than bullying. I guess that goes for all horses.


I think the "trainer" who screwed with mine is a local dressage judge at schooling shows. I should go to one! 9 years later he is a total dressage star, he gets to the event, knows what must be done, and is more tolerant and soft than he ever is at home haha. He was also a failed LL eventer for a nervous adult ammy at a BNTs place before the dressage fiasco, and when they see him out they look so sour, like they wish theyd hung onto that one. Ha ha. I love that crap.

[sisu27]

I think the "trainer" who screwed with mine is a local dressage judge at schooling shows. I should go to one! 9 years later he is a total dressage star, he gets to the event, knows what must be done, and is more tolerant and soft than he ever is at home haha. He was also a failed LL eventer for a nervous adult ammy at a BNTs place before the dressage fiasco, and when they see him out they look so sour, like they wish theyd hung onto that one. Ha ha. I love that crap.

Could be the same D-bag that damaged both of our horses. It is satisfying isn't it to take someones "garbage" and turn them around?? I did take mine into a little dressage show when I first bought him in the same ring that he was beaten up in. I didn't think it was going to happen when I tried to hand walk him in the ring the night before and he was a rearing plunging psycho but the next day he went in and got a 1st and a 2nd! Yeah it was only walk/trot but the fact that I didn't foresee feet on the ground and butt in the saddle as a possibillity makes it a pretty big victory!

[Bobthehorse]

It always feels good to show people what a gem they threw out. One mans trash and all that....

I know the eventers didnt screw him up, they are good people, I just think they regret not keeping him in barn.

[Catalina]

My new guy is a neurotic mess when it comes to dressage. I have been working really hard at getting him to just relax and realize that the bit is his friend and I am not going to crank his head in. We have a short course event in two weeks; I really hope that he doesn't lose it in the dressage ring.

[Beam Me Up]

I'm going to fess up--I broke 100 way more recently--I think mid-90s, when prelim rode First 3.

The loudspeakers were freaking out my already hot/tense horse and it was a horrible test, but not as horrible as the score might suggest based on our multipliers.

I'd say today it would have been upper 50s? I'm too lazy to look up the old tests and do the math.

Believe it or not I still got a ribbon in a YR division--times have changed even in 10 years.

[Jealoushe]

My first event horse was terrified of dressage too.

He came from a dressage barn where they tried to teach him upper level movements to the extreme. Our first dressage test he entered the ring, halted and then wouldn't move. He started trotting on the spot then did an airs above the ground....bolted and jumped out of the ring.

Dressage became our biggest obstacle. The goal was to stay in the ring. He never finished worse than 5th though. He was a jumping machine.

He also did airs above the ground at clinics, he hated the start stop start thing.

[scubed]

I've had a couple who quite hate the dressage, but to GotSpots tempi changes comments, I ask: can't we figure out a system where we get extra credit for upper level moves even when not asked for :lol:

[Gry2Yng]

"She would brag about how he had tried to kill her and the fights they had. "

I have worked with two like that. The first was a FANTASTIC moving OTTB and they wanted to make him an upper level dressage horse. Made him so crazy he started scraping people off on the sides of the ring. They had his head xrayed. I saw him and fell in love with his face. Hadn't ridden in 10 years - came from the h/j's. Didn't know dressage. I was so crooked in the tack the first time I rode him, he was doing shoulder in while we lapped the rail but since I never took contact he loved me. by the time I learned to ride dressage he trusted me. Second one belong to a friend. Her dressage trainer ruined him to contact as well. We put him in the hunter ring and he did great as long as you never touched the bit.