Opinions? SF Stallion, Edelweiss De Bonce

[RugbyCreek]

Anyone have first hand experience or even opinions? Thinking of breeding our Zangersheide ISR mare to this stallion.

It is my understanding that Edelweiss De Bonce is by the SF jumping stallion, I Love You, who also sired the famous Galoubet A.

Avalon-Equine is offering a very tempting Breeding Special this spring:D So I welcome comments, suggestions and opinions on Edelweiss as a breeding stallion and possible cross on our mare. What strengths and weakness do you see in this stallion?

Thanks!

Would post pics of both but don't know how to embed the pics in this post...if someone could tell me how I will post pics.

[Dressage_Diva333]

I rather like Edelweiss actually, he had a show career in Dressage, but is I bet he can jump too, with his pedigree. He doesn't have many offspring yet, as Kathy just acquired him late last year I believe, and he didn't get many breedings before that for some reason or another. I'm excited to see what he produces :)

His owner is on this forum, hopefully she will chime in about her lovely boy! :D

[Long Shadow Farm]

I have seen Edelweiss in person several times and he is lovely! I cannot wait to breed my Westcoast daughter to him. Very sweet boy that I think would have been awesome over fences if they didn't go the dressage route with him. Matter of fact, several of my friends are breeding their jumper mares to him. He reminds me of a big nice conformation hunter. Just that nice, huge lovely conformation that could win on the line but be a blast to ride.

Bobbi

[risingstarfarm]

Edelweiss is on my short list (and I have multiple stallions of my own!).

Super pedigree - super performance career - and appealing temperament and conformation.

Hard to go wrong with this guy if he works for your mare :-)

[TrotTrotPumpkn]

It is my understanding that Edelweiss De Bonce is by the SF jumping stallion, I Love You, who also sired the famous Galoubet A.



I Love You and Galoubet A are 1/2 brothers sired by Alme Z. There is a nice picture here:
http://www.horsemagazine.com/BREEDINGBARN/GREAT_STALLIONS/alme/alme.html

[not again]

Does he have 100 day test scores anywhere?

[RugbyCreek]

Thank you for the input! I would some advise on pairing him with our mare.....not sure how to attach her picture in this post.......

She is a Zangersheide registered Irish Sport Horse Mare. She had a lovely colt by Quinar last year. You can see her pictures at www.rugbycreeksporthorses.com/empey.htm

Thanks!

[RugbyCreek]

Not sure about his 100 day test....will investigate.

[Equine Reproduction]

<smile>..Thank you everyone for the kind comments about Edelweiss. He truly is just absolutely breathtaking and probably one of the kindest stallions we have ever dealt with. Just a classic gentleman.

Edelweiss was originally bred by Monique and Marc Sattler in France. Their original plan was to compete him in the jumpers and indeed he was being groomed for that career. Unfortunately, when he was four, he injured one of his hind pasterns and his owner/rider was badly hurt in a car accident. It was determined that the injury would preclude him from continuing in the Jumpers. At that point, Catherine Haddad purchased him and took him back to Germany where she rode, trained and competed him up to Grand Prix in dressage. In 2005 he was sold to the US to be Mette Rosencrantz's grand prix ride. She did quite well with him until he jumped out of a turnout paddock and tore the collateral ligament in one of his front legs.

Edelweiss was presented to the German Oldenburg Verband while he was in Germany. He was provisionally licensed with him at that time and upon fulfilling his performance requirements, received a lifetime breeding license - Dave Herndon compiled all of his performance requirements and submitted them to the registry while Edelweiss was in his care.

We have received an incredible amount of interest in Edelweiss from his home country, France, due to his spectacular pedigree and the fact that he is the only living son of I Love You still standing. (Pumpkin is correct in that Galoubet was by Alme and I Love You was also an Alme son). Interestingly, Edelweiss' dam line is considered even more desireable in France than the sire line. Thanks to Monique Sattler and Catherine Haddad, Edelweiss was approved Selle Francais in December, 2008 - anyone that is familiar with Selle Francais' approval process knows that is no easy feat. As he is approved Selle Francais, his offspring are eligible for registration with the Belgian Warmblood Breeding Association and the ISR/Oldenburg N.A. He will be presented to both registries this year for full activiation, as well. We will be freezing him for export in the next few months and look forward to seeing some foals by him in Europe as well as here in North America.

Unfortunately, Edelweiss was a performance horse all of his life and consequently has no offspring on the ground, hence the incredible breeding fee special - we are motivated to get foals on the ground so we can make educated decisions on what types of mares he crosses best on. He has two foals due this spring and we are excited to see what he has produced on those breedings.

Does he have 100 day test scores anywhere?

Edelwess was not 100 Day Tested. His approvals were based on his performance scores. You can see more information on him by going to http://www.avalon-equine.com/Edelweiss.html or http://www.avalon-equine.com/breeding_special.html

Hope the above helps.

Kathy St.Martin
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[CathyKb]

His bloodlines are very very special and also he is drop dead gorgeous!!! He is certainly on my short list!!!:yes::yes:

[sfstable]

I am breeding two of my top producing mares to him. Both have been producing jumpers. I just found out last week that Aaron Vale now owns and is riding one of the above mares' 6 year old daughter and was last doing Level 3 jumpers with her.

So I am breeding to produce jumpers. Both foals will be registered as Selle Francais as the mares are both approved for SF breedings.

I am extremely excited about this stallion. :)

[TrotTrotPumpkn]

He is on my shortlist as well, and as a bonus Kathy was wonderful to ask questions of and I'm betting is pretty great to work with. I can't wait to see the foals!!!

[Oakstable]

What months are the foals due?

Thanks.

[cottagefarm]

What months are the foals due?

Thanks.

His first season at stud is this year I believe so no foals until 2010.

I'm breeding my Reno X Lovely Girl (Barring) mare to him

[Equine Reproduction]

What months are the foals due?

Thanks.

He has two foals due this year, although I'm not sure exactly when they are due. I'll have to check through my records to see if I've got the breeding dates.

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[Oakstable]

Will French papers be available for NA-born foals?

Thanks.

Sally

[Equine Reproduction]

Will French papers be available for NA-born foals?

Thanks.

Sally

He was approved in December with Selle Francais. I'm in the process of trying to get as much information as I can with regards to what is necessary to get French papers on foals born here in NA. My understanding is that mares that had been inspected previously when the Selle Francais association was still active here in North America there will be no problems getting registration papers on those foals. Mares that have not been previously inspected, it is my understanding that those foals may be eligible for part-bred papers. I've got emails out to several people including Monique Sattler (Edelweiss' breeder), Catherine Haddad and the French National Stud. Bear with me...I'm still trying to figure out all the ins and outs. We've gotten quite a bit of interest from breeders in France wanting semen from Edelweiss, so we're trying to accommodate them, as well.

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[sfstable]

Will French papers be available for NA-born foals?

Thanks.

Sally

If the mare/dam is either already approved for SF breeding or is registered SF (stud level) there should be no problem getting SF registration papers on the foal from the Haras Nationaux. You will need to send the following to them:

Identification with ID form
DNA (ie. pulled hair with roots)
$350/foal including DNA

I have the ID form if anyone would like it PM me and I will email it to you. There are parts that your vet has to fill out on the ID form.

I am not completely sure about the process if the mare/dam is not already approved SF.

[One is Enough]

Beautiful boy. Are there any conformation photos of him? What kind of mare would be a good cross with him?

[frisco1]

He has two foals due this year, although I'm not sure exactly when they are due. I'll have to check through my records to see if I've got the breeding dates.

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I am expecting a foal in the next few days. The mare is out of a TB mare (Prim Miss) and her sire is Noble Champion. Both sides have the famous sire Precipitation fairly close in their pedigree, and I am anxious to see how the addition of the Alme z line works.
The mare is great, sane, and athletic, seems like Edelweiss is a perfect fit.
We shall see:)

[Equine Reproduction]

I am expecting a foal in the next few days. The mare is out of a TB mare (Prim Miss) and her sire is Noble Champion. Both sides have the famous sire Precipitation fairly close in their pedigree, and I am anxious to see how the addition of the Alme z line works.
The mare is great, sane, and athletic, seems like Edelweiss is a perfect fit.
We shall see:)

<smile>..COOL!!! Please be sure to email me photos! And, I can forward you a breeding certificate so you can get the foal presented and registered!

[feather river]

I am expecting a foal in the next few days. The mare is out of a TB mare (Prim Miss) and her sire is Noble Champion. Both sides have the famous sire Precipitation fairly close in their pedigree, and I am anxious to see how the addition of the Alme z line works.
The mare is great, sane, and athletic, seems like Edelweiss is a perfect fit.
We shall see:)

this is the only foal this year. only 3 mares were bred to him last year. 2 got pregnant, and one of them slipped with an EED.

he was never bred before last year.

he is not 100 day tested, but received his Oldenburg Verband license through scores in the sport of dressage.

[feather river]

He has two foals due this year, although I'm not sure exactly when they are due. I'll have to check through my records to see if I've got the breeding dates.

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semen shipped on the preg mare May 15 and June 6. Foal should be due approx. May 13 +/-

[frisco1]

At 6 am on may 12th my mare had a lovely bay filly. Looks great in everyway.
She has a star and a snip and two hind socks.
Mare and goal are doing well and look great.
Pics will be posted this afternoon.

[cottagefarm]

Yeah! Congratulations.
Can't wait to see the pics!

[Equine Reproduction]

At 6 am on may 12th my mare had a lovely bay filly. Looks great in everyway.
She has a star and a snip and two hind socks.
Mare and goal are doing well and look great.
Pics will be posted this afternoon.

Congratulations!!! <tap, tap, tap>...so...where are the photos??? <smile>... Since you apparently are the only one with an Edelweiss foal, I know there are a few people here that are anxious to see what you got, myself included.

On another note, Edelweiss is shipping well and we're getting about an 80% first cycle conception! He'll be going into quarantine in August it looks like, to freeze semen for export to France. There's a number of breeders over in Europe that are anxious to breed to him, including Catherine Haddad <smile>.

Can't wait to see your baby photos, Frisco <smile>.

[frisco1]

lets see if this works.


http://www3.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=572310006/a=19376693_19376693/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=comcast2

[TKR]

Those are great! Lovely filly (and facility) -- nice mare, too - looks like one of mine! One of my friends/clients are "partnering" on a mare by my stallion to breed to EdB and she was bred on Saturday, so in less than two weeks we'll know! Very excited!! Kathy generously gave me a breeding for naming the other stallion, Walk The Line.
PennyG

[springer]

Beautiful boy. Are there any conformation photos of him? What kind of mare would be a good cross with him?

I would also be interested in seeing a confo. shot of him. How would it work if he were bred to an RPSI mare?

[sniplover]

Springer, there's a confo shot on the homepage of her website; http://www.avalon-equine.com/

[Equine Reproduction]

As sniplover noted, there is a confo shot of him on our website, but here it is, as well <smile>....

[busybee]

The baby pictures are so far away that it's hard to see anything except that it's a bay.

[Iron Horse Farm]

Will he be activated with GOV for the breeding season?

[Equine Reproduction]

Will he be activated with GOV for the breeding season?

He already is...

[BELLA1]

Congrats on that beautiful filly!! I'm the other half of the partnering with Penny G and I'm so excited about breeding to him. The picture was a little far away, but I copied to my computer and blew it up to see better. BEAUTIFUL!!

So, isn't there one more little one out there coming this year by EdB?

[frisco1]

I only had my iphone with me yesterday morning. So it was a bit difficult to get pictures. It is raining today, so maybe tomorrow.
I am trying to enlarge the pictures i have before they go into the album. I am learning as I go.
She is very expressive, very cute in something so young.
Thank you for your nice comments. I think she is a keeper.

[feather river]

lets see if this works.


http://www3.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=572310006/a=19376693_19376693/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=comcast2

looks like the dad. Congrats

[Oakstable]

We're overdue for updated photos.

[Oakstable]

There are additional photos in the album posted by the foal owner earlier in this thread.

Nice markings -- star, snip and two hind socks.

[frisco1]

There are some new pictures of the Edelweiss filly. in her album on Snapfish. Lily is her barn name. No decision on her show name yet. She finally came over to the fence to meet me! yeah.
She canters around everywhere. I know she can trot, but she prefers the canter at the moment. Must be all the race horses she lives with...
http://www3.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=572310006/a=19376693_19376693/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=comcast2/

She is just great. But then i am a proud mommy.

[Oakstable]

BEautiful foal.

Any chance the photographer could get inside the fence to take photos?

[frisco1]

The farm is doing me a favor by foaling my babies, as they are a TB farm. They are not use to the owners being around, so i try not to rock the boat. ( I am the only non TB person on the farm.) They are down the street and a great facility so I want to continue to be able to use them and am a bit worried if I interupt their routines I might not get invited back, they have not ever let non tbs foal at this farm.

I get to see her in the field everyday, as the farm is on my way to everywhere I drive, so I am ok with the restraints.

[Oakstable]

I used to use a TB farm to foal out my WB mares and they were thrilled to have my business because I brought in a mare much later in the season.

Are you handling that foal?

[TKR]

Ooooh!! What a NICE filly! She has those big "doe" eyes and such a lovely topline, everything is very nice. Her dam is nice, too. Congratulations! We are working on getting a mare in foal to EdB!
PennyG

[FairWeather]

wait, you don't want to rock the boat by.....visiting your foal?

I'm another who wants pics inside the fence--she looks adorable :)
Huge hip!

[Oakstable]

Seriously the TB farm, if they are smart, sees a new customer base with the Wbs.

[frisco1]

I visit the filly(Lily) all the time, I just do not go into the fields with all the broodmares and the foals. I will schedule a day for a photo opp. as soon as the weather cooperates. We have had lots of rainy and cloudy days. Of course the sun only shines when i am at work:)
They are a wonderful facility, just set up for race horses.( read: no owners around looking at the babies) There is not a foaling barn around me that is as nice, knowledgeable or close. So I respect their routines ( no drop in photo opps in the fields unaccompanied) so hopefully they will let me keep coming back each year. There is always a trade off.

The filly is handled everyday. My yearling was born there last year and she is amazingly well mannered. My husband and daughter are able to handle her and groom her and she is just perfect. The farm did a great job with her.
Thank you for the compliments on the mare. She was the second foal I had and the last out of my old broodmare. She is special to me.

[Oakstable]

If you make an apptmt with the farm, I bet they will accompany you into the field so you can get some better photos.

Ordinarily there are lots of offspring from a given stallion to represent him but right now, your foal is the only one to show what Edelweiss produces.

Foals are a stallion's best advertising when he is just starting out breeding. This guy is up in his teens, having had a competition career and not used as a stud.

I would like to see comparison photos of the foal and the mom.

Thanks.

[Oakstable]

More photos, please.

[sfstable]

More photos, please.

Ditto. I just bred my mare to him last week (crossing my fingers).

[Oakstable]

Kathy,
HOw many confirmed pregnancies?

[Equine Reproduction]

Kathy,
HOw many confirmed pregnancies?

Can't give you exact numbers but last time I checked we had 12 mares confirmed in foal and were 82% first cycle pregnancies. We've shipped several more shipments since then and are waiting to hear back on pregnancies as we took a couple weeks off from collecting. Edelweiss had a hoof abscess on a hind foot and wasn't able to get up on the mount, poor guy. We've been back to collecting for two weeks now, though, so should hear on some of those mares shortly.

Hope that helps!

[Oakstable]

Kathy.
Cool.

So are you getting a good cross section of mares to give you feedback on his best crosses?


French bloodlines are not known here as well as the German and Dutch, IMO.

[sfstable]

Kathy.
Cool.

So are you getting a good cross section of mares to give you feedback on his best crosses?


French bloodlines are not known here as well as the German and Dutch, IMO.

I am breeding my two best broodmares to him. :) Both foals will be registered with the Selle Francais -- stud book level. I try to breed along the French lines when possible as I really like the French lines.

First mare who was bred last week to him was one if not the top producing mare in the NASF (when they were still around). She is 19 years old.

Second mare (who is not cooperating on her cycle this year), hopefully will be bred next week for the first time to him. Every foal out of this mare inspected at a inspection has scored a Premium.

I am extremely excited about this stallion. You just don't see French lines like this come around very often in the US.

[YankeeLawyer]

If you make an apptmt with the farm, I bet they will accompany you into the field so you can get some better photos.

Ordinarily there are lots of offspring from a given stallion to represent him but right now, your foal is the only one to show what Edelweiss produces.

Foals are a stallion's best advertising when he is just starting out breeding. This guy is up in his teens, having had a competition career and not used as a stud.

I would like to see comparison photos of the foal and the mom.

Thanks.

Wow, you guys are a tough crowd!

Frisco, congratulations on your lovely filly. I think it is completely understandable if the farm would not be thrilled about someone entering their fields where other owners' mares and foals are also located (or if you rightly feel uncomfortable doing so).

FWIW, I used to own part of Galoubet and have had offspring by him and by I Love You as well (in fact, my first foal, born 1986, was by I Love You). I loved them and think Edelweiss presents a very interesting opportunity not only because of his bloodlines but also his proven dual talent.

[Oakstable]

YL,
Would love to hear about your memories of Galoubet and your I Love You kids.

Would you double up on Galoubet in a pedigree, obviously it would be back aways.

[frisco1]

Well we were set to take pictures today, but my mare has a cut that made her a bit off today so I did not want to make her trot around. Maybe by t
Thursday. Hopefully we will have sun.
Here is a picture I was able to take. The filly is growing nicely, a bit bum high at the moment. She is very sweet.
Given the rest of her family, I see from ED, a nice topline, a higher neck set, Coloring (I have only had dark bay or chestnuts, this is the first light or red bay, the Grandsire(noble champion) is a lighter, red bay) his expression and face. Lilly is very elegant and graceful, which is what I what I see in ED. I love those qualities in an athletic jumper.
As for movement, all the horses I have out of my mare Prim Miss xx and their offspring have big ground covering galloping strides, what I hope from ED is some more suspension in the gaits. If that shows up it will be from the stallion.
Lilly still canters around a great deal, so have not seen her true 2 month old trot yet.

We plan to name her Mon Couer.

I wish everyone that breeds to him as much joy from their foals as we have with Lilly!

http://www3.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=1070952006/a=19376693_19376693/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=comcast2/

[YankeeLawyer]

YL,
Would love to hear about your memories of Galoubet and your I Love You kids.

Would you double up on Galoubet in a pedigree, obviously it would be back aways.

A lot of people say that Galoubets are tough; that was not my experience at all, but we were careful to choose mares with very good temperaments. The babies were very smart, sensitive - but in a good way, imo - and they could jump. ALL of them. He was not what I would consider a foal maker by any means in that the babies were "handsome" but not pretty, a bit plain, really, and sometimes with clunky heads - even out of nice mares. They were the kind that became more beautiful as they matured.

Re I Love You - that one was a difficult ride; quite hot and opinionated. I recall at the time, though (mid-eighties) that this was thought to be attributable in part to his training before he was brought here. He was stabled at my trainer's barn, and I can recall Norman Dello Joio doing a lovely job with him. He was a very handsome horse himself, not overly tall (I want to say maybe 16.1), and he had a real presence about him. I really, really, liked him. And wow could he jump. We had the one colt by him, which we named Chanson D'Amour. Chance is to this day my only foal that jumped out of a paddock with a 4'6 fence at the age of 6 weeks old (simply because he felt like exploring on the other side, not because he was scared or upset). He was a very good baby in every way. He was out of my jumper mare who had competed in the High A/Os and junior jumpers. She was believed to be Dutch but we did not have her papers (remember this was in a different era, and the fact that we thought to breed a mare with a proven A circuit show record was progressive as at that time few paid any attention to the quality of the mare, and many in this country doubted jumping was a heritable trait). We sold Chance when he was 2 to a woman in Palm Beach as a dressage prospect as he had a pasture injury that we feared could limit his jumping career (apparently he ended up fine, though). I do have a picture of him somewhere; if I can locate it I will try to scan it.

Regarding doubling on Galoubet - I am not sure if you meant doubling on Alme, as Alme, not Galoubet, is in Edelweiss's pedigree, but I would not double on either unless it was the third generation or farther back unless maybe, maybe I were very confident in both parents' temperaments. I would otherwise be a little worried about getting something too hot. If I had the right mare, I would be tempted to double, though (if 3rd gen or back).

Below are some photos of Galoubet.

[sfstable]

Thanks for posting the pictures. Very pretty filly !!! :)

[Oakstable]

Thanks YL.

I am considering leasing a Quattro B mare and wondering if Edelweiss would be risky with her.

Even though Edelweiss is a peach, sounds like it could be tempting a too spicey baby.

[YankeeLawyer]

Thanks YL.

I am considering leasing a Quattro B mare and wondering if Edelweiss would be risky with her.

Even though Edelweiss is a peach, sounds like it could be tempting a too spicey baby.

What is the dam's temperament like? I would be tempted if trying to produce a GP jumping machine, but perhaps less so if I wanted to be sure, sure of an ammie friendly temperament.

Here is some great info on I Love You:

http://www.icsbloodstock.co.uk/cgi-bin/stallions/viewads2.pl?a=21&la=gb

I wish I had a mare suitable for Edelweiss.

[frisco1]

YL
Thank you for posting the information on I Love You and Galoubet. The words "boy can he jump" is so great to hear. I love watching the GP horses that can really jump well. Of course they all jump, but some can just take your breath away. It was also nice to read that ILY goes well with a big mare with lots of blood, because that is my mare to a T. She has a good mind, and Edelweiss seems to have a good mind, so perhaps the Hot will not be too much of an issue.
Thanks again for sharing.

[spacely]

A lot of people say that Galoubets are tough; that was not my experience at all

Not mine either, though Galoubet is a grandsire in this case. I have a 3 yr old Pablo/Galoubet mare who is easy, easy, easy. I also have a gelding who is by an Alme son named MacArthur & he's super easy. He was not the easiest baby, but as he's gotten older, he's become very easy. I knew & rode a bunch of his siblings & have ridden his father so I knew that it was a matter of time in his case.

I wouldn't hesitate doubling Galoubet as long as it was back 3 generations or more.

[andy.smaga]

We plan to name her Mon Couer.
I think you mean "Mon Coeur"

Oakstable, I will be tempted to breed the Quattro B (Ciel d'Espoir is his original name) mare to EdB, because Almé is far back in the mare's pedigree.
Note that Quattro B's mare name is "Une Americaine";)

DY, congratulation on owning a part of Galoubet A, this was certainly very expensive at that time. He is a legend in France.
Qredo de Paulstra a Galoubet son is producing very good jumpers today as well as being a great mare sire.

[YankeeLawyer]

DY, congratulation on owning a part of Galoubet A, this was certainly very expensive at that time. He is a legend in France.
Quredo de Paulstra a Galoubet son is producing very good jumpers today as well as being a great mare sire.

Thanks. People made fun of us at the time, saying we were crazy to invest in him.
Where does Quredo de Paulstra stand? Is he available frozen (and why do I think I need to add a jumper mare to my band *soon*).

[andy.smaga]

Qredo stands in France at the National stud of St Lo, I don't think he's available frozen, he's getting old (27)
His mare's sire is the famous TB "Furioso".
http://www.haras-nationaux.fr/portail/nc/particuliers/etalons/rechercher-un-etalon/etalon/qtthskfl.html

[FriesianX]

Not mine either, though Galoubet is a grandsire in this case. I have a 3 yr old Pablo/Galoubet mare who is easy, easy, easy. I also have a gelding who is by an Alme son named MacArthur & he's super easy. He was not the easiest baby, but as he's gotten older, he's become very easy. I knew & rode a bunch of his siblings & have ridden his father so I knew that it was a matter of time in his case.

I wouldn't hesitate doubling Galoubet as long as it was back 3 generations or more.

I have a Galoubet mare, and she isn't what I'd call TOUGH, she is very sensitive and not brave. Amazing athlete, she can do ANYTHING when she has the courage to do it. But it takes a very tactful rider, and I have heard this is a first generation Galoubet thing. He produced horses for the talented pro rider much more than the adult ammie (which is much of the US market).

On the other hand, all my mare's offspring have been MUCH easier - the edge seems to go away by 3rd generation, just as Spacely notes. I've heard from owners of her foals bred many years prior to my owning her, and they say the offspring are easy, quiet, and talented. She's had 4 babies with me, and all of them have also been quiet, gentle, easy horses - two going under saddle, and they retained that quietness under saddle.

I love the mare - she and I get along quite well, but I also don't pressure her, she is retired into broodmare status with me, and has a lifelong home here!

[sfstable]

I think you mean "Mon Coeur"

Oakstable, I will be tempted to breed the Quattro B (Ciel d'Espoir is his original name) mare to EdB, because Almé is far back in the mare's pedigree.
Note that Quattro B's mare name is "Une Americaine";)

DY, congratulation on owning a part of Galoubet A, this was certainly very expensive at that time. He is a legend in France.
Qredo de Paulstra a Galoubet son is producing very good jumpers today as well as being a great mare sire.

Edelweiss is certainly on my short list for my Quattro B mare when I decide to breed her. :)

[Oakstable]

YL,
You really need to buy a jumper mare. >grin<

[TrotTrotPumpkn]

Regarding doubling on Galoubet - I am not sure if you meant doubling on Alme, as Alme, not Galoubet, is in Edelweiss's pedigree, but I would not double on either unless it was the third generation or farther back unless maybe, maybe I were very confident in both parents' temperaments. I would otherwise be a little worried about getting something too hot. If I had the right mare, I would be tempted to double, though (if 3rd gen or back).


I have seriously considered this stallion for my mare, but this (hot) is my exact concern. She is a Galoubet A daughter (direct) out of an Abdullah mare. Now that she is in foal I'm starting to think about next summer. If I keep her (I'm really not a "breeder" per se and board) I think I will be breeding for a jumper prospect to sell.

Here's a somewhat confo pic of her muddy and sleeping (I know--why would I share that?) http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2147165360070916460dGYCZH She is straight behind and could use a better neck set/tie in--in my opinion, but otherwise I'd take a carbon copy.

Yankee, I'm glad you posted. It is wonderful to hear from someone who knew these horses directly!

[YankeeLawyer]

I have seriously considered this stallion for my mare, but this (hot) is my exact concern. She is a Galoubet A daughter (direct) out of an Abdullah mare. Now that she is in foal I'm starting to think about next summer. If I keep her (I'm really not a "breeder" per se and board) I think I will be breeding for a jumper prospect to sell.

Yankee, I'm glad you posted. It is wonderful to hear from someone who knew these horses directly!

If you keep "her" - meaning the mare? Do let me know if she ever becomes available. Even Oakstable says I need a jumper mare in my program ; )

[TrotTrotPumpkn]

Yes the mare. I bought her on a total whim when I found out who her father (and mother's father) was. I've always had a love affair with Galoubet (first horse I ALMOST bought was a daughter, but that was years ago, and she was already an 18 year old maiden--thank goodness I exercised some discretion back then ;-).

Then a younger, pregnant, daughter dropped into my lap last winter! :-) Like I said, I'm not really set up to be a breeder and she was injured early in her jumping career and is only broodmare sound. So I'm not sure what I want to do--breeding is such a crapshoot and she is 15--I hate to leave her sitting open, but don't really want to sell her either.

Re: the comments on temperment. My mare is a bit pushy on the lead, not bad, but I think it is because of handling (and this is being pretty critical--I expect excellent manners). She is not "hot" or excitable though and takes new places in stride.

[DownYonder]

We almost bought a Qredo de Paulstra stallion son about 6-7 years ago. He was an approved SF, 4 y/o at the time and was not only a super jumper, but also had fantastic dressage gaits and a wonderful temperament. The big drawback was that he was a little bit small (just over 16h) and we were afraid he would not be approved by Oldenburg because of his small size. SF wasn't a large enough registry in N.A. to only have him for SF breeding, and we needed him to be approved for Oldenburg breeding to open up more breeding opportunities. I wonder to this day what become of that cute horse.

[TKR]

Our (shared) breeding is today -- the mare is by my stallion, Master Huntsman, and is a very nice mare in temperment, type and gaits -- loved her dam and granddam. Crossing fingers and saying a prayer that it produces a viable fetus!! I am "partnering" with a close friend and client and excited about the possible foal.
PennyG

[sixpoundfarm]

The stallion Inferno (Corrado II) was a Qredo D son, and I always liked him. I dont know if he bred much when Mary Shirley owned him, and he passed away right after Blazing Colors bought him.

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com/Inferno.html

[FriesianX]

http://animalscience.ucdavis.edu/HorseBarn/Stallions/Bas%20Blanc/Bas%20Blanc%20Pedigree.pdf

Kind of curious now - someone just pointed out to me that UC Davis has a SF stallion (older guy) at stud - anyone heard of Bas Blanc?

[sfstable]

http://animalscience.ucdavis.edu/HorseBarn/Stallions/Bas%20Blanc/Bas%20Blanc%20Pedigree.pdf

Kind of curious now - someone just pointed out to me that UC Davis has a SF stallion (older guy) at stud - anyone heard of Bas Blanc?

Nice stallion, seems to throw lovely foals -- I had thought about using him several years ago with the mare I just bred to Edelweiss. Dressage Diva who posts on here has a (I think now) gelding by him who is very handsome.

[Faiths CremelloWB]

The stallion Inferno (Corrado II) was a Qredo D son, and I always liked him. I dont know if he bred much when Mary Shirley owned him, and he passed away right after Blazing Colors bought him.

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com/Inferno.html

He was a fabulous stallion and I still miss him to this day. I only owned him a short while before his tragic pasture accident. An amazing temperament and willing to do anything for his rider. If I could find another horse like him, I would purchase it in a heartbeat. Any Qredo de Paulstra offspring I would take a serious look at!

Sakhill was so kind enough to offer a daughter of Inferno's to us. (we are forever thankful to her!) We now have one Inferno grand-daughter and a second on the way.

[DownYonder]

DY, congratulation on owning a part of Galoubet A, this was certainly very expensive at that time. He is a legend in France.


It wasn't me that owned a part of Galoubet A, it was YankeeLawyer. :D

[DownYonder]

Our (shared) breeding is today -- the mare is by my stallion, Master Huntsman, and is a very nice mare in temperment, type and gaits -- loved her dam and granddam. Crossing fingers and saying a prayer that it produces a viable fetus!! I am "partnering" with a close friend and client and excited about the possible foal.
PennyG

Penny, good luck, I hope it works out for you. I have been curious about Edelweiss ever since I heard he was available. I will be looking forward to seeing that foal (assuming you will bring it to the Oldenburg inspection next year).

[TKR]

Thanks Chris! Actually, Marcheta and David will have the mare/foal, but we will bring them to a GOV inspection and maybe we can get David and their new baby inspected as well, LOL!
PennyG

[ridgeback]

If you have pics of your foals from Edelweiss would you guys pass them on to me I know Catherine would love to see them. PM me for my email . Thank you in advance. Can't wait to see them:)

[sfstable]

My two mares are in foal to him! I'm so excited! The first mare is a daughter of Inselkoenig, the second is a daughter of the Olympic stallion Orpheus. Now I can't wait for the babies!!!

Congratulations !!! :)

Me too !!! My mare was confirmed in foal to Edelweiss today. :) First attempt too !! I am very excited for this breeding.

This was my mare I was most worried about getting in foal this year because she is 19 years old and prior to last year she had not gotten in foal with multiple attempts. The funny thing is so far she is the only one of my mare who has gotten pregnant with the first attempt. So much for the worrying (at least for the time being :lol:).

My foal will be registered Selle Francais. :)

[BELLA1]

Thanks Chris! Actually, Marcheta and David will have the mare/foal, but we will bring them to a GOV inspection and maybe we can get David and their new baby inspected as well, LOL!
PennyG

We definately plan to bring this baby to the GOV inspection now that our mare was confirmed in foal!!! We are so excited!! Kathy was a great help, as always and our vet said the semen looked fantastic! Obviously it was!

[frisco1]

just an updated picture. We go to the oldenburg GOV inspection this weekend.
Hopefully all will go well!

http://s665.photobucket.com/albums/vv15/horsefoto/sun%20and%20moon%20farm%20horses/?albumview=grid
/

[cottagefarm]

She looks great. Good Luck :)


just an updated picture. We go to the oldenburg GOV inspection this weekend.
Hopefully all will go well!

http://s665.photobucket.com/albums/vv15/horsefoto/sun%20and%20moon%20farm%20horses/?albumview=grid
/

[JWB]

Let us know how the BWP inspection goes! Very exciting indeed.

[T'sMom]

Just wondering if you have any recent pics of EdB filly!! :D

[frisco1]

Here is a link that has pictures of Lilly at 2 months and today which is 6 months. She is shedding and getting her winter coat so she is a bit funny looking now.
She is just wonderful to be around; very confident, smart, athletic and friendly.
I hope everyone else's foals are as enjoyable as Lilly.

http://s665.photobucket.com/albums/vv15/horsefoto/sun%20and%20moon%20farm%20horses/

[T'sMom]

She is just lovely!! I have a breeding to EdB that I think I might use this spring. Glad to see he passes his handsomeness on :) Thanks for the pic!:D

[ridgeback]

just an updated picture. We go to the oldenburg GOV inspection this weekend.
Hopefully all will go well!

http://s665.photobucket.com/albums/vv15/horsefoto/sun%20and%20moon%20farm%20horses/?albumview=grid
/

So how did the inspection go?

[Horsecrazy27]

I love him... :)

[frisco1]

The inspection went very well. It was about 15 degrees hotter than it had been all year. Horses were sweating even with fans. The inspector was very nice and had lots of nice things to say about the foal.
I would breed back to Edelweiss again, but the mare is going into competition next year.

[Equine Reproduction]

Just a quick note to let everyone know that Edelweiss' first foal of the year was born March 10th. We plan on going up to Norman in the next few days to try and get some better photos of her <smile>.l

On another note, we are shipping frozen semen to France this week. There are a surprising (or maybe NOT so surprising :D) number of breeders over there that want some of his babies. 23 mares so far, are booked to him in France! We're thrilled! He did receive his full licensing with the Selle Francais, so his offspring are eligible for Selle Francais papers, as well.

[Molly Malone]

I'm so excited to be breeding to Edelweiss this year! Mine will be a classic Furioso/Alme cross with the expectation of getting a very talented jumper or hunter:D

Did you manage to track down any pictures of him in his jumping days, Kathy?

And while I have you, this is what I have so far to put up when she is confirmed in foal - is there anything to add or correct?

About Edelweiss de Bonce

Sire: Edelweiss de Bonce was born and bred in France by Marc and Monique Sattler and is by the legendary jumper stallion I Love You (Alme x Elyria/Nykio) ridden by Norman Dello Joio. I Love You was named AHSA Showjumper of the year in 1983 and USA Showjumper Horse of the Year in 1983 following his win of the World Cup in Vienna. In 1984, I Love You was second in the World Cup in Goteborg, Sweden. He also won Grand Prixs at Washington, Toronto and Calgary before returning to France to stand at stud. I Love You has produced many international showjumpers, including Quentuchy, Qyou de Longvaut, Quality You, Quick Love Fontaine, Querido de Baussy, Barrios de Frely, I Need You, Free Love, and many more. I Love You is classed every year in France amongst the 20 best stallions, fathers of young horses 4, 5 & 6yr olds in the finals at Fontainebleau. Classed as well amongst the 200 best stallions in the world (Breeding News). Classed 6th in the World (World Cup Points D.Reuben).

Grandsire: I Love You is by the World Class Selle Francais stallion, Alme Z. Alme Z also sired, amongst others, Galoubet A, Jalisco B, Animo and Ahorn Z. Without ever having stood at stud in Germany, the 1966 French born Ibrahim son influenced almost all the German warmblood breeds. Almé Z was himself a successful international showjumper with Francois Mathy and Johan Heins and transmitted his gift for jumping lavishly to his progeny. In the most recent, 2007-2008 edition of Monneron, Bernard le Courtois has, after spending many hours on his computer, produced a list of the top 75 jumping stallions in the world, on the basis of the FEI list of the top 2515 jumping horses in international competition. This survey once again, confirms Almé's pride of place, for he is responsible for 17 of the 57 leading stallions on the leaderboard. Four of these stallions are by Jalisco the most important of which is Quidam de Revel, who heads the standings with 48 representatives. Quidam himself already has two of his sons on the leader board, Nabab de Reve and Guidam.Another Jalisco son, Papillon Rouge is ranked equal sixth in the world with 26 winners. Jalisco B, despite his death at a relatively young 19 years of age, is in 30th place on the leaderboard with 10 representatives. Almé was also influential in Germany and The Netherlands. His grandson,Accord II (by Ahorn Z) is in 13th place with 16 winners. In Holland, Almé's son, Animo is 19th with 12 winners. Animo's son, Andiamo Z is ranked 64th with 5 winners. Alme Z has sired 2 World Cup Champions and 3 Olympic horses.

Grand Dam: I Love You's Dam, Elyria is also the dam of Nighty Fontaine, the dam of Alligator Fontaine. She has also bred two other international winners, the young Frisco Mail (Hand In Glove xx) and Frascator Mail (Jalisco B), vice champion 7year old Stallions in 2000, winner in Grand Prix CSI at 8 yrs old.

Dam: Edelweiss' Dam is Jib'Or, a French Anglo Arab. In addition to Edelweiss, she also produced the approved 1990 Anglo Arab stallion, Cool Fontaine who sired the approved 1996 French national stallion, It's Boy. Jib'Or's dam, Diane de l'Or, is by Arlequin, the sire of the great Zeus. Diane produced three approved stallions, who in turn have produced successful eventers and showjumpers. One son, Phosph'Or, himself was a great performer in international competitions with a jumping index of 165 and his son, Fusain de Defey, an approved stallion, accumulated a jumping index of 162. Combined they have over 70 children competing in the showjumper and eventing sports with indexes over 120 points.*Edelweiss' pedigree screams jumpers, but obviously his talent for dressage proves the athleticism and ability proves the versatility of his breeding.

Performance Record:
Edelweiss de Bonce is a Selle Francais stallion bred in France who qualified as both a 5 and a 6 year old Finalist in Dressage at Fontainebleau. He was further trained to Grand Prix dressage level in Germany by Catherine Haddad, and competed there at S level before coming to the U.S.A. He then competed successfully in California for Cory Walkey under his new rider, Mette Rosencrantz. He competed through the early part of 2006 before having a career ending injury after jumping out of turnout paddock and severing the collateral ligament in his front leg.*He has now retired to stand at stud. He was licensed by the Oldenburg Verband in Germany in 2002, and completed his license via his career dressage competition results. Edelweiss is a quiet horse with excellent temperament and work ethic. A lovely mover and a tall, modern type, he makes an excellent choice for producing hunters and eventers as he was originally bred to jump but a pasture accident put him on the path to dressage: he had fractured a bone in his hind pastern which ended any plans of a jumping career. Edelweiss was purchased by Catherine from Marc and Monique as a 4 year old.*Catherine Haddad, is an American rider who lives, rides and trains in Vechta, Germany.*She represents the USA in competitions throughout Germany and Europe at both the National and International level and was named the reserve rider for the USEF at the World Equestrian Games in 2006.

[Oakstable]

How many foals are coming in 2010, Kathy?

[Equine Reproduction]

How many foals are coming in 2010, Kathy?

I don't have an exact number. I'm still waiting to hear from mare owners to confirm that their mares are indeed in foal. Judging by the fact that I've received only a few notifications of rebreeds, we should have a nice number of babies coming. The goal was to get some photos of those babies and the mares, so we know what type of mares he crosses best with, so I'll post them up as they come through.

[LavenderFarm]

Molly Malone - When referring to the great Alme, it is just that ... there is no "Z." That was appended to his name when he was at Zangersheide for awhile. It's a pet peeve of mine. Otherwise, your posting seems factual. Here is a photo of Alme's gravestone at Bernard's.

[risingstarfarm]

How many foals are coming in 2010, Kathy?

LOL, Kathy when you get the crystal ball, please pass it my way. I ship semen and sometimes never hear back. In a perfect world my records would be complete, but that would be a "perfect" world.

[Equine Reproduction]

LOL, Kathy when you get the crystal ball, please pass it my way. I ship semen and sometimes never hear back. In a perfect world my records would be complete, but that would be a "perfect" world.

<smile>...Yeah, I always figure that if I don't hear back from the mare owner, the mare must be pregnant. But, until the foals hit the ground and I get a request for a breeding certificate, I can only guess. It's also one of the reasons I don't send out breeding certificates until I'm contacted by the mare owner - HOPEFULLY I can talk them into sending me some photos too <lol>.

Miss Molly, your information looks accurate. I'm hoping Edelweiss' breeder will be able to dig up a few photos of him jumping. She's looking through old photographs, but as they're 15 years old, she's got to find them first, scan them in and then email them to me :o ! <lol>. Watch his Facebook page for updates
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wynnewood-OK/Edelweiss-de-Bonce-1992-Selle-Francais-Stallion/317938430736?ref=ts

[frisco1]

I am happy to hear about the filly born March 10th! I can't wait to see pictures.

I am attaching a link to the last pictures I have of my 2009 Filly, she is growing so fast and is just as sweet and brave as you could want. This is her first meeting with my daughter. Love at first sight for both of them.

http://s665.photobucket.com/albums/vv15/horsefoto/sun%20and%20moon%20farm%20horses/

[Sharmane]

Thanks. People made fun of us at the time, saying we were crazy to invest in him.
Where does Quredo de Paulstra stand? Is he available frozen (and why do I think I need to add a jumper mare to my band *soon*).

Hello,
I am hoping to order semen this week from Kathy (EDB) for my Oldenburg mare by Fuerst Gotthard, she is at the vet as I type!
BTW Yankee Lawyer: She is for sale and has GREAT jumper blood (same combo as Voltaire - Furioso/Gotthard)...she is fun to ride, I pony off of her and trail ride bareback in a halter on lazy days, she jumps around the 2'6" course after only a few months under saddle! (I would hope to keep the foal).
My contact info is on my website:
http://www.nowhere-else-ranch.com

[Equine Reproduction]

<smile>...Nice to see you here, Sharmane.

Edelweiss' second foal of the season arrived on Monday. A big bay colt! We're waiting for photos and details. Bay seems to be the order of the day!

[back in the saddle]

Everyone seems to be breeding him for jumpers/eventing. But what about breeding him to a nice dressage mare?

Kathy, do you have any video of him at liberty?

[Equine Reproduction]

Everyone seems to be breeding him for jumpers/eventing. But what about breeding him to a nice dressage mare?

Kathy, do you have any video of him at liberty?

It's funny (or may be not :) ) but most of the people that "have" bred to Edelweiss, were breeding for dressage horses. I really was surprised by that as I truly expected with his breeding, he'd really appeal to jumper breeders.

I got some video of him when he first arrived, but all he wanted to do was stand and be scratched by whoever was holding the video camera <lol>. It was...well...NICE footage, but not what people wanted to see. Maybe we'll try again this spring.

Below is a couple photos of him with my Mother taken recently. She is absolutely TERRIFIED of horses but initially wanted to "just" sit on him. Once she realized just how big he was, just getting her to stand next to him was a challenge. I gave her a carrot to feed to him, but she was so nervous she kept dropping it. Poor Edelweiss just wanted a piece of the carrot and was being really, really careful with her (she's 79 btw). But, the expression on my Mother's face in the third photo is priceless :D I put the photo up on my Facebook page and some of the comments were hysterical...<lol>. She (Mom) got quite a thrill at all the comments people were making about her ;)

[EquusMagnificus]

He looks absolutely stunning in those pictures Kathy and makes me reconsider all my breeding plans for this year. ;)

[goodmorning]

Kathy, you should take updated conformation shots - you get a much different impression from the digital pics - he has presence, and your mother's face is hilarious ;)

[vineyridge]

That is one huge horse. If I didn't know he was an SF and royally bred, I'd wonder where the Percheron came from! That's one guy that OUGHT to be bred to TB mares.

[Equine Reproduction]

That is one huge horse. If I didn't know he was an SF and royally bred, I'd wonder where the Percheron came from! That's one guy that OUGHT to be bred to TB mares.

Nah...he's tall but not heavy/coarse. My mother is also very tiny. I actually really like what he's producing on warmblood mares. They tend to be REALLY leggy and elegant. He doesn't look drafty at all...just not the best photo to see that <lol>. I went back and looked at him in the photos instead of my mother and saw where you might think that. I'll try and get some new photos of him here now that things are warming up. Without my Mother in them <ROTFL>...I know she won't complain!

[carolprudm]

He looks like an RID

[DownYonder]

In that photo, he sort of reminds of some of the first Holsteiners I saw in my area (way back in the early to mid 1980's).

http://www.paardenfokken.nl/pedigree.php?horseid=453881
reports him as 82.81% XX/OX blood .

Very cute photos with your Mom!

[Equine Reproduction]

In that photo, he sort of reminds of some of the first Holsteiners I saw in my area (way back in the early to mid 1980's).

http://www.paardenfokken.nl/pedigree.php?horseid=453881
reports him as 82.81% XX/OX blood .

Very cute photos with your Mom!

It's all a matter of perspective, I think :). Teenie tiny, little old woman next to anything other than a pony, the horse is going to look massive <lol>. But, here's a photo of Edelweiss from a couple years ago that with a "normal" sized man :D

[Fourbeats]

I'm actually interested in him for producing a jumper out of my OTTB mare. I'm fascinated by his pedigree. The fact that he's producing foals that can go either way just makes him more interesting.

[bornfreenowexpensive]

He's on my list for my TB and my TB/WB mare. Maybe not this year but soon.

Does he throw size? I have tall mares that I'm not looking to get any taller foals out of ;)

[Equine Reproduction]

He's on my list for my TB and my TB/WB mare. Maybe not this year but soon.

Does he throw size? I have tall mares that I'm not looking to get any taller foals out of ;)

His oldest foal is just coming two, I believe, this year. But, from what we're seeing, his foals look like they'll be "average" in height. I haven't heard or seen any that were ginormous...at least as much as you can tell with weanlings and yearlings.

We're actually expecting our first Edelweiss foal this year out of a stunning (yeah...like I'm gonna describe one of my mares as a dog, right? :D - but she really is) TB mare. Trying not to get too excited as it "will" be a colt (said in Eeyore's voice).

[Dance_To_Oblivion]

I am eagerly awaiting an Edelweiss foal out of a very nice TB mare. She has a good sporthorse pedigree so I think the foal should have a great deal of talent from both sides!

My mare: http://www.pedigreequery.com/catch+the+bouquet2

Love all the pictures Kathy! He is so handsome :)

[IntegritySporthorses]

I too am awaiting an Edelweiss foal out of a TB....

Sometime in the next few weeks he/she should be here :-)

I have seen Edelweiss in person several times and I am always impressed with his temperment and conformation. He is a very handsome boy with a genuine kindness about him.

[Equine Reproduction]

Just thought it would be fun to post a more recent photo of Edelweiss. We were doing a photo shoot last week and this was one of the candid photos that was taken. I think he definitely has that "look of eagles", no?! :). In any event, I think he looks pretty darn fabulous for being almost 20. And hopefully Viney, he looks a little less "perch" to ya <smile>.

I'm trying get Anne Hedge to post a photo of her Edelweiss foal that just went premium at her foal inspection yesterday. Our colt, Eyes Wide Shut d'Avalon, gets inspected next Friday. I'll be posting up new photos from foal inspections on our news page on the website. Also trying to finalize getting the not for profit going so we can start the foal raffle. We will probably be raffling off the Beetlejuice d'Avalon (Black Tie x Morticia/Mannhattan) colt or Eyes Wide Shut d'Avalon (Edelweiss de Bonce x Classic Annette xx). Just trying to figure out which one would more people prefer to buy a ticket on :D. Any opinions?

[Dance_To_Oblivion]

He looks fantastic! My filly goes to her inspection next Friday, hoping the change of scenery gives her a little more oompf though...she is so incredibly laid back that she never really moves out when we are practicing at home lol

[Equine Reproduction]

He looks fantastic! My filly goes to her inspection next Friday, hoping the change of scenery gives her a little more oompf though...she is so incredibly laid back that she never really moves out when we are practicing at home lol

Our boy's inspection is the 23rd too :). Make sure you send pictures <smile>. We'll put 'em up on the news page :D!

[Fred]

Beautiful Kathy, he looks stunning!!

Did you decide on a name for the non-profit?