Best place to advertise in-uteros and foals?

[EquusMagnificus]

I know, this topic has probably been discussed to death but are there any websites or resources that are specially targeted for selling in-uteros and foals?

I have had good luck with warmbloods-for-sale.com for horses of riding age but I am not sure it is the best tool for selling foals or in-uteros...

Where do you advertise?

Many thanks!! :winkgrin:

[Dressage_Diva333]

I sold an en-utero foal this year on Equine.com, within 2 weeks of listing :)

[clint]

I have sold several foals from dreamhorse.com

[miraclewelsh]

I've always had good success with Dreamhorse when listing foals for sale.

[chunky munky]

I hate to be rude here, but i think the best place to advertise any in utero if it is just not the Olympic next coming is most likely today Saturn and Venus.

[Indy-lou]

Where to advertise the "Olympic next coming" in that case?

[Kyzteke]

I hate to be rude here, but i think the best place to advertise any in utero if it is just not the Olympic next coming is most likely today Saturn and Venus.

Wow....I'd hate to see you in action when you are TRYING to be rude....

[nicameo]

You can post free ads for in-utero sales & others on www.thesporthorse.com using the coupon code freead

[YankeeLawyer]

I hate to be rude here, but i think the best place to advertise any in utero if it is just not the Olympic next coming is most likely today Saturn and Venus.

I have two of those - so where is the best place to advertise them? They will medal, though, so I don't want any suggestions for those riff raff sites that list Olympic also rans. ;)

[ilikridn]

At what point do you list in-uteros? as soon as mare is confirmed in foal? or do you wait a few months and confirm again?

[EquusMagnificus]

:lol:

I think it is safe to list foals for sale in-utero from the third month or so... But that's no rule of thumb! Just my own idea. :)

I don't quite understand the poster making such comments about selling in-uteros. I mean, what do you care? :winkgrin::lol:

But thanks to everyone else for the suggestions!

It seems like we have a gap to fill in here, also from reading the thread re. buying a weanling/yearling, in having a centralized website or forum to advertise young horses not yet under saddle. Sort of like warmbloods-for-sale.com catters to buyers looking strictly for warmbloods.

[erinwillow]

I have just posted an advert on Dreamhorse. . so we shall see. . . .crosses fingers;):cool:

[BELLA1]

Is anyone having any luck with advertising in-utero foals this spring? I have posted an ad for a Starlight foal in-utero on sporthorse.com and equine.com and haven't had a bite. I thought it must be the economy but this is my first time to advertise in-utero so I thought I'd ask.

[YankeeLawyer]

Is anyone having any luck with advertising in-utero foals this spring? I have posted an ad for a Starlight foal in-utero on sporthorse.com and equine.com and haven't had a bite. I thought it must be the economy but this is my first time to advertise in-utero so I thought I'd ask.

I think in utero sales are always much tougher unless you have something like an impossible to obtain Rubinstein on the way. Starlight is a super stallion, but not a lot of people are familiar with him yet, and he doesn't have any going under saddle yet. I would think you will do a lot better once they can see the beautiful foal on the ground. Plus, some people want only colts or only fillies. You might consider offering a "colt only" or "filly only" in utero options.

[BELLA1]

I think in utero sales are always much tougher unless you have something like an impossible to obtain Rubinstein on the way. Starlight is a super stallion, but not a lot of people are familiar with him yet, and he doesn't have any going under saddle yet. I would think you will do a lot better once they can see the beautiful foal on the ground. Plus, some people want only colts or only fillies. You might consider offering a "colt only" or "filly only" in utero options.

Good point about Starlight and I hadn't even considered the "colt only" or "filly only" in utero options. Thanks for the advice.:)

[YankeeLawyer]

Good point about Starlight and I hadn't even considered the "colt only" or "filly only" in utero options. Thanks for the advice.:)

I would offer both "options" as a possibility; perhaps you could line up two buyers, one interested in each. Basically, there are two main risk factors that make in utero less attractive to the buyer. One is that the foal will not be as hoped, and the other is gender. So if you can minimize these, you increase your chance of selling in utero.

[ilikridn]

So how does this work? Do you get the full amount, and then it is returned if the foal is not the gender desired? Or, do you get a deposit, and if the foal is the desired gender and they change their minds, you keep the deposit?

If there is no gender clause, do you collect the full amount, or a deposit that isn't returned if they change their minds?

[YankeeLawyer]

So how does this work? Do you get the full amount, and then it is returned if the foal is not the gender desired? Or, do you get a deposit, and if the foal is the desired gender and they change their minds, you keep the deposit?

If there is no gender clause, do you collect the full amount, or a deposit that isn't returned if they change their minds?

I would only ever take part payment prior to birth, which is refundable if the foal does not pass its wellness exam at 24 hours (or is the wrong gender, if there was a gender clause). Here are the terms of what I would offer (percentages could vary):

Live foal guarantee (releasing buyer from contract if foal does not pass wellness exam by veterinarian within 24 hours of birth). Payment schedule: 25% of sale price due upon signing contract; 40% of sale price due within one week of birth, and remaining balance of 35% due within 5 months of birth or upon weaning, whichever occurs first. Equine major medical and mortality insurance required at buyer's expense while foal is in [my farm's] care and through transport to buyer's farm, with [my farm] designated as intended beneficiary of insurance proceeds (pro rated in accordance with remaining balance due on foal) until foal is paid in full. In utero sale price includes cost of registration with [Applicable WB Registry] and lifetime USEF registration.

Note that the in utero sales price typically, though not always, is lower than the foal's price would be upon birth as the in utero price reflects the increased risk / uncertainty associated with in utero sales, and the fact that the foal owner benefits from having a bird in hand / use of the funds faster than with an ordinary sale.

[EquusMagnificus]

Thank you YL for the great advice! :yes:

[ilikridn]

yes, thank you, Yankee Lawyer! :yes:

[Kyzteke]

Live foal guarantee (releasing buyer from contract if foal does not pass wellness exam by veterinarian within 24 hours of birth).

I've thought about doing this on some breedings, but how do you handle stuff that isn't "life threatening", but could be a problem later on?

Stuff like crooked legs (may or may not need splints, periosteal stripping, etc), retained testicle(s), hernia, etc.?

Most foals aren't "perfect" at 24 hrs. old, but the range between things that will resolve and those that won't are huge. Some very crooked legs will be fine by 2-3 months (if not sooner), others will require surgery, just as an example.

I've always been curious about this aspect of in utero sales and I'd like to hear how others approach this.

[YankeeLawyer]

I've thought about doing this on some breedings, but how do you handle stuff that isn't "life threatening", but could be a problem later on?

Stuff like crooked legs (may or may not need splints, periosteal stripping, etc), retained testicle(s), hernia, etc.?

Most foals aren't "perfect" at 24 hrs. old, but the range between things that will resolve and those that won't are huge. Some very crooked legs will be fine by 2-3 months (if not sooner), others will require surgery, just as an example.

I've always been curious about this aspect of in utero sales and I'd like to hear how others approach this.

For me, the bottom line is that I want the buyer to be happy. So while I wouldn't be particularly sympathetic to general buyer's remorse, I would work to make things right if there was something wrong with the foal. I would not make someone take a foal with a crooked leg, for example - horrible situation for all involved, including the foal, and it would not be good for my reputation either. Some things would just depend on the situation. If I had multiple foals the same year, I might let them switch, for example. I want a happy buyer!

That said, I strongly prefer to simply wait until the foals have arrived to offer them for sale, as I generally prefer to make sure foal and buyer are a good match.

[BELLA1]

I'll third the motion. THANKS Y.L.!!!