Free Jumping Critique

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

I realize this is not a proper jumping chute and will make a proper one next time. So please just comment on how my horse jumps. Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbaEG4eEquc&feature=channel_page

[enjoytheride]

My suggestion would be to create a jumping chute otherwise you do a very good job teaching your horse to run out. I also would ask a professional to help with the freejumping, I think it's easy to overface a horse or teach them bad habits like the running out.

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

My suggestion would be to create a jumping chute otherwise you do a very good job teaching your horse to run out. I also would ask a professional to help with the freejumping, I think it's easy to overface a horse or teach them bad habits like the running out.

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[AnotherRound]

Well, I wouldn't do it 'just for fun'. Every time he gets to run out, he's learned a lesson. If you are going to free jump, do it correctly. You seem to have the equipment, build a chute along the rail. Everytime you handle a horse you are teaching him. Personally, I don't think its "fun" if my horse gets a runout experience, and it sounds like he had a few opportunities to do that is he wasn't getting over the larger fences. Just my observation. Do it right. The other thing you could do would be to longe him over a fence or over two fences, so you could keep after him not to hesitate or run out, using the longe whip to guide him. There is a thread about a girl who got a horse who was allowed to balk or run out, under a similar sentiment as you just expressed and she had trouble with him all his life for him thinking there might be an option of not completing a jump he was put to. That's just something I wouldn't want my horse to have in his repetoire, but that's just me.

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

Well, I wouldn't do it 'just for fun'. Every time he gets to run out, he's learned a lesson. If you are going to free jump, do it correctly. You seem to have the equipment, build a chute along the rail. Everytime you handle a horse you are teaching him. Personally, I don't think its "fun" if my horse gets a runout experience, and it sounds like he had a few opportunities to do that is he wasn't getting over the larger fences. Just my observation. Do it right. The other thing you could do would be to longe him over a fence or over two fences, so you could keep after him not to hesitate or run out, using the longe whip to guide him. There is a thread about a girl who got a horse who was allowed to balk or run out, under a similar sentiment as you just expressed and she had trouble with him all his life for him thinking there might be an option of not completing a jump he was put to. That's just something I wouldn't want my horse to have in his repetoire, but that's just me.

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[RugBug]

we made him do it and ended on a good note, and he was not just "allowed" to run out.

I beg to differ. You DID allow him to run out because you didn't create a proper jump chute. I'm surprised he jumped at all with that set up. You didn't set him up for success at all...you just hoped that he would jump and you got lucky that he did...some of the time.

[findeight]

:rolleyes:

Coward. And deleting won't make it go away. Probably makes it worse as we guess how bad it was.

Best to leave it up and learn, we all make mistakes.

[dalpal]

Why do so many people pick up their toys and run home on these internet message boards? THINK people!!! Don't post it, unless you want the good, the bad, and the ugly.

[ExJumper]

To those who saw the video, would you care to explain what was on it? From what I gather, some not-very-well-done free jumping. And the chute wasn't done right so the horse kept running out?

Describe, please :)

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

:rolleyes:

Coward. And deleting won't make it go away. Probably makes it worse as we guess how bad it was.

Best to leave it up and learn, we all make mistakes.


Being a teenager I do make mistakes, but I do not feel like being denigrated any longer when all I came to ask for was how they thought my horse jumped. Not how I did the exercise for free jumping, which apparently set me up for failure. Please do not respond to this thread anymore. I am sorry that I made a mistake, now please move on with your lives.

[eqrider1234]

please do not get upset, it is obvious that you were looking for compliments on your horse, and you are unhappy that you didnt get them. I watched the video but didnt feel like commenting, but now i feel i must. I think it can be fun to play with your horse, but you want to make sure that when you do it you arent doing anything that is going to risk your saftey their saftey or their training. I think all that people were trying to say is that by setting up a chute that wasnt apporpriate you were not being responsible and you were risking your training.. next time you do it make sure you have a proper chute and someone who has experience with free jumping and next time you post remember that not everyone has something nice to say....

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

please do not get upset, it is obvious that you were looking for compliments on your horse, and you are unhappy that you didnt get them. I watched the video but didnt feel like commenting, but now i feel i must. I think it can be fun to play with your horse, but you want to make sure that when you do it you arent doing anything that is going to risk your saftey their saftey or their training. I think all that people were trying to say is that by setting up a chute that wasnt apporpriate you were not being responsible and you were risking your training.. next time you do it make sure you have a proper chute and someone who has experience with free jumping and next time you post remember that not everyone has something nice to say....

I was just looking for comments on how my horse looked, good or bad. I did not come on here to just get compliments. I like people's opinions, again good and bad, and I find that they can help me when they are put nicely. I did not come here looking to get bashed for how I set up the jumps. After one person said it, and I have to say that first person did put it nicely, it should have been left at that. Now please move on with how my horse jumps and not the way the exercise was set up. And just to clarify I am not angry, just frustrated.

[eqrider1234]

I was just looking for comments on how my horse looked, good or bad. I did not come on here to just get compliments. I like people's opinions, again good and bad, and I find that they can help me when they are put nicely. I did not come here looking to get bashed for how I set up the jumps. After one person said it, and I have to say that first person did put it nicely, it should have been left at that. Now please move on with how my horse jumps and not the way the exercise was set up. And just to clarify I am not angry, just frustrated.

well it is hard to tell how the horse jumps, the video stops midway through the last jump.. before that though he seems cute and safe.. just as an fyi the people on here are commenting on the chute because they care, believe it or not they do. sure there are people on here with bad intentions but most have good, and most just dont want to see good horses turn bad from stupid mistakes..

[spina]

I must have missed something...I didn't see any run outs. Lots of drama, though, over a very cute horse with a lovely jump. Good luck with him.

[RugBug]

I must have missed something...I didn't see any run outs. Lots of drama, though, over a very cute horse with a lovely jump. Good luck with him.

OP mentioned the horse ran out a few times in her original post that has since been edited.

[Sebastian]

Hmmm...drama llamas aside...

Cute horse. Cute jump. Don't free jump like that again. :winkgrin:

Seb :)

p.s. For those of you that think a young horse should/can NEVER run out... :rolleyes: Even under perfect circumstances. It happens. I agree that we should always set them up to succeed, but seriously, some of you are harsh... First rule of working with young horses...develop a sense of humor. :lol:

[findeight]

Ok, he is cute but cannot see too much form there.

Doubt you want to hear it but I can see why some were concerned-you are going to get hurt leading that horse to a jump then stepping back beside him and letting go. You could trip. He could trip or he could stop and spin and you'll be toast. Don't want any of mine learning that sometimes they can gallop off when I stand next to them either. Don't kid yourself he knows the difference between this and just trotting alongside you-he doesn't and can assume he can just go off at an inappropriate time. They do only as we teach them and can't understand why it might be OK some times but not others.

Try setting it up along the rail, as suggested, and using a lunge line so you can stay attached but clear. Make sure the inside standards are low enough to allow the line to easily clear.

And, took guts to put it back up...it's not thaat bad either. Just pretty unsafe. For both of you.

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

Thanks everyone for your opinions!

[Sebastian]

Ok, he is cute but cannot see too much form there.



I managed to get the "pause" to stop for the money shot...and while his knees are not the same as Popeye K's, he's cute and pretty even. And, considering he was not set up that well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Seb :)

[RugBug]

Hmmm...drama llamas aside...

Cute horse. Cute jump. Don't free jump like that again. :winkgrin:

Seb :)

p.s. For those of you that think a young horse should/can NEVER run out... :rolleyes: Even under perfect circumstances. It happens. I agree that we should always set them up to succeed, but seriously, some of you are harsh... First rule of working with young horses...develop a sense of humor. :lol:

Seb...I don't think anyone said a young horse could NEVER run out...but that it wasn't a great idea to make it so easy. Also, the horse isn't young. Thirteen, I believe. :winkgrin: I ain't no drama llama...but am someone looking forward to taking a coming three year old 1.5 hours a way to put him through a proper jump chute. Setting him up for success and all that. ;)

OP: your horse is cute enough. Seems to be able to handle the gymnastic just fine. AND You did a decent job with the distances, which can't always be said. I've seen horrible results from poorly measure gymnastics.

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

Seb...I don't think anyone said a young horse could NEVER run out...but that it wasn't a great idea to make it so easy. Also, the horse isn't young. Thirteen, I believe. :winkgrin: I ain't no drama llama...but am someone looking forward to taking a coming three year old 1.5 hours a way to put him through a proper jump chute. Setting him up for success and all that. ;)

OP: your horse is cute enough. Seems to be able to handle the gymnastic just fine. AND You did a decent job with the distances, which can't always be said. I've seen horrible results from poorly measure gymnastics.

Thanks. I think we all figured we'd be able to get him over it, but he is just so lazy sometimes! And the fact that the other 2 got over it without refusing, we thought for sure he would just go! (they are younger) And the jump wasn't even that big! He is one of the most easygoing horses, but if you ask him to do anything that makes him actually think he's like "yea...no!" But he's been getting better about that and relies a lot less on me now that my trainer rode him while I was out of commission. I think he appreciates me more now and doesn't want mommy to get hurt anymore ;) haha but I love him and will make sure I set up the proper chute next time. :)

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

Hmmm...drama llamas aside...

Cute horse. Cute jump. Don't free jump like that again. :winkgrin:

Seb :)

p.s. For those of you that think a young horse should/can NEVER run out... :rolleyes: Even under perfect circumstances. It happens. I agree that we should always set them up to succeed, but seriously, some of you are harsh... First rule of working with young horses...develop a sense of humor. :lol:

even older horses can! horses will be horses ;) haha and thanks!

[Sebastian]

AH, well, I was operating on more limited info... No harm, no foul. And even LESS reason to get up in arms over the "jump chute" or lack there of... :lol: Older and lazy is -- just that! :lol:

OP was honest that she had not "done it right" so I see no reason to scold. And, she PROMISES to do it right next time... :yes: ;)

And, OP, no one ever learned anything by "taking their baseball and going home." Next time suck it up and stick it out. You're always going to get LOTS of opinions -- even the ones you don't want. Weed through them all and find what's useful.

Seb :)

p.s. Remember Seb's favorite joke about Horse Trainers...

What's the only thing two horse trainers can agree on...?
That the third one is doing it WRONG. :lol: :lol:

[RugBug]

OP was honest that she had not "done it right" so I see no reason to scold. And, she PROMISES to do it right next time... :yes: ;)

And, OP, no one ever learned anything by "taking their baseball and going home." Next time suck it up and stick it out. You're always going to get LOTS of opinions -- even the ones you don't want. Weed through them all and find what's useful.

Seb :)


Seb...a lot of information was deleted. OP was defensive at first. She's since realized her error and apologized. Really, most of us don't take the time to write something out when someone 'seen the light'. Takes too much effort. :D

[Sebastian]

Takes too much effort. :D

:lol: :lol:

You know it, girl!! I'm just in a weird mood today... It's like the "can't we all just get a long" bug bit me... Crazy, huh??? :winkgrin:

And, make sure you let us know how your little bugger does when the time comes. :yes:

Seb :)

[jse]

There's not enough video for anyone to critique this horse..... But I must say you leading him to the "jump chute" is not doing him any favors. You'd get a better look at his "talent" if you didn't do so and set up something where he could find his own rhythm and set himself up.
Not trying to be mean, but it's my opinion. I'd get more footage if you want opinions....

ETA: Was there pics of this horse jumping in an earlier thread? Or was that someone else??

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

There's not enough video for anyone to critique this horse..... But I must say you leading him to the "jump chute" is not doing him any favors. You'd get a better look at his "talent" if you didn't do so and set up something where he could find his own rhythm and set himself up.
Not trying to be mean, but it's my opinion. I'd get more footage if you want opinions....

ETA: Was there pics of this horse jumping in an earlier thread? Or was that someone else??

Thanks. And I have posted pics and videos of him before.

[AdultAmmy]

OP because you are only a teenager I really feel the need to say this. Please understand that this is a public forum, Im sure you know a lot of people from chester county post here. You have a very uniquely colored horse who is very easily spotted, and you really do not want to give yourself a bad reputation. Horse world is small, word gets around, keep a positive attitude and a smile on your face.

Just my 2 cents.

BTW cute horse.

[jse]

Thanks. And I have posted pics and videos of him before.

What are your plans for the horse? Jumper, hunter, etc?

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

What are your plans for the horse? Jumper, hunter, etc?

He is a hunter. He was trained western, then he was a lesson horse, then he was my friend's hunter, and now he's mine! He's 13 so I don't think he'll become anything else :)

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

OP because you are only a teenager I really feel the need to say this. Please understand that this is a public forum, Im sure you know a lot of people from chester county post here. You have a very uniquely colored horse who is very easily spotted, and you really do not want to give yourself a bad reputation. Horse world is small, word gets around, keep a positive attitude and a smile on your face.

Just my 2 cents.

BTW cute horse.

Thanks and don't worry, I'm always smiling! If you know me you would know that... haha I very rarely am not smiling or laughing :) and I've been smiling through this whole thing... I just had a 'moment' earlier! :lol:

[2boys]

What a good boy!:yes::yes:

[Sebastian]

Thanks and don't worry, I'm always smiling! If you know me you would know that... haha I very rarely am not smiling or laughing :) and I've been smiling through this whole thing... I just had a 'moment' earlier! :lol:

Good to hear. Now go have fun with your boy. He's very cute!!
Seb :)

[LetsChat]

I came way too late to this party to know what is really going on but I just have to ask.... Why didn't you just build that on the rail and chase him around the rail, that would be a jump chute, not too much more effort, just having the rail as help to keep him centered. I don't really think anyone can tell how the horse jumps from that one blip, he really isn't jumping the first crossrail and the last oxer is lackluster at best. Sure he's cute because he has color but I don't know what kind of criticism you were really looking for. Did you honestly think it was good? I have free jumped tons of horses, some at very lacking facilities and I have never seen someone put a chute in the middle of the ring. And I don't think it is all that bad that you led him into it, some of the hunter derby rounds you have to lead the horses over the jump, I think it is worse that YOU stopped, you should have cleared the crossrail at least and then moved aside, leave a little gap in the rails you have on the side that "make" the chute, I find you stopping short is probably more encouraging for him to stop than anything else.

[Paint Hunter/Jumper]

I came way too late to this party to know what is really going on but I just have to ask.... Why didn't you just build that on the rail and chase him around the rail, that would be a jump chute, not too much more effort, just having the rail as help to keep him centered. I don't really think anyone can tell how the horse jumps from that one blip, he really isn't jumping the first crossrail and the last oxer is lackluster at best. Sure he's cute because he has color but I don't know what kind of criticism you were really looking for. Did you honestly think it was good? I have free jumped tons of horses, some at very lacking facilities and I have never seen someone put a chute in the middle of the ring. And I don't think it is all that bad that you led him into it, some of the hunter derby rounds you have to lead the horses over the jump, I think it is worse that YOU stopped, you should have cleared the crossrail at least and then moved aside, leave a little gap in the rails you have on the side that "make" the chute, I find you stopping short is probably more encouraging for him to stop than anything else.

We had this already set up for horses going through it earlier with riders on them and later people were going through it on their horses. I realize what we did now and won't do it again. We will set it up properly next time. And if you pause the video of him over the oxer you can see his form. :)