Suggestions... Heavy Boned Stallions

[sweetiebob]

Ok, looking for suggestions for a mare who needs a pretty head and good solid bone structure for her legs. She is too light legged for a mare who has a medium size body.

Sires for a dressage foal, Sires for a jumper foal. Non pro rider.

Here is the mare.

http://s387.photobucket.com/albums/oo316/summerlawns1959/?action=view&current=Chestnut-Mare_web.gif

[Oakstable]

Puerto would be good for both dressage and jumping.

[selah]

What is her breeding?

Right off the top of my head, I'd like to suggest Gatsby:

http://www.foxdalefarm.us/gatsby.htm

[Coppers mom]

Consider an Irish Draught or heavier boned WB.

Mostly, I've seen ID's. I like Moorpark Image and Touch Of The Blues. Corcullen is lovely too. The babies I've seen by them have all been athletic and classy looking.

We had two Halo (Trakehner) foals that came through a while ago with a nice amount of bone. I'm not sure what their mothers looked like though.

[camohn]

Here is my Waldaire Filly out of a Bold Ruler bred TB mare
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/?action=view&current=Wynona5days.jpg
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/?action=view&current=4HPics08039.jpg

she is a jumper type. She received a 7.5 on gaits at inspection

and another Waldaire filly also out of a TB mare (Hail To Reason/The Axe breeding)
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/?action=view&current=IMG_6472.jpg
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/?action=view&current=IMG_6436.jpg
This filly is the dressagey mover. She received a 7.7 on her gaits and placed third at her inspection behind another Waldaire foal and Dressage Royal foal.
The chestnut is a quiet filly so has not been inspired to jump anything. The black one, however, has been leaping over the pasture fence since pre weaning!

[Oakstable]

For dressage, Welcome S at Mo Swanson's.

I don't know if some of the bigger boys will pretty up a head. That wasn't a concern in that era. Usually the stallions with pretty heads have TB or Arab or Trakehner mixed in the first 5 generations.

[TouchstoneAcres]

Any size requirements? Breeding for yourself or for sale? It does matter for marketability. For yourself, do you want to compete recognized and at what level in dressage and jumpiong, or eventing? there are of course stallions for either or both, but usually you have a preference for one. Eventing brings on some slightly different requirements too.

If you want a dressage capability with some jumping up to 4' and no special height and speed requirements, A Lipizzan can do nicely. They can add bone, a shorter back, and dressage ability. Unknown to many, they can also jump well although not 5'. Their temperament ca be a blessing--at 58 I love their demeanor. 15-15.2h is pretty standard although smaller and larger are easily found.

My web site is below and I stand 261 Maestoso Samira XXI. You can check thge breeder directories of USLR and LANA for others.
http://www.uslr.org/
http://www.lipizzan.org/
The two registries are in the process of combining into one I am happy to say.

This farm has both Lipizzans and Andalusions and does compete in hunter/jumper as well as dressage. I have seen the stallions in person and both are well behaved and good movers. The Andy is an impressive jumper who I think won at Spruce Meadows, so no slouch. I don't recall his bone though.
http://www.weaselskinfarmeqctr.com/stallions.html

[Dressurfan]

I haven't seen Wamberto in person but I have seen his video and he was very impressive. He earned the very high scores of 168 in dressage and 145 in jumping at his 100 day test. I have heard that he is a heavier type although he looks very elegant when moving.

http://www.hasslerdressage.com/stallions/wamberto1.html

[TouchstoneAcres]

Dressurfan--he does look very nice!

[horsechica58]

When you mention "heavy boned" Edgar's Landkonig comes to mind :)

I haven't seen many offspring by him personally, so I can't comment on the heads that his foals have..but I'm sure someone on here has a Landkonig foal :yes:

Good luck! She's a pretty mare.

[Small Spark]

Corrado, Cassini II, Consul or Corofino for jumpers. There are many more, but these come immediately to mind

[Lesley Feakins]

I also thought of Landkonig for your mare. We have a coming 3 yr old filly (Lamora) by him on our web site if you wanted to check her out. I am very pleased with the way she turned out.

[Bravestrom]

While my warmblood/draft cross sport horse colt is not doing outside breedings yet - doing a couple test breeds this year though - there are some available

here is a link

http://www.dcboa.com/Stallion_cross.html

[FriesianX]

If you want to add bone and add some power behind (a bigger hind end might make the head look a little more in balance too:winkgrin:) and get a bit of a more uphill look, my boy is an interesting option, Friesian/Warmblood cross - http://www.mysticoakranch.com/ourstallions/lshcadenceincolor.html. He is a dressage type, if you are looking for jumper, I'd head toward RID - nothing like an Irish Draught for a heavy, powerful jumper!

[stolensilver]

May I ask why you want to breed this mare? Has she a good competition record? I only ask because there are a few queries in my mind as to whether she would stand up to hard work from looking at her conformation. If she has a good competition record then she has earned the right to have a foal. If she hasn't perhaps it would be easier to buy a foal instead?

[unbridledoaks]

Are you looking just for a WB Stallion or are you open to other breeds?

[dilligaff2]

Check out Cielo B

He throws nice bone and great temperment.

Or Rising Star Farm's new Darco son Valentino. He is a very solid boy with a beautiful face.

Both can be seen here:
http://www.risingstarfarm.net/

[Dressage_Diva333]

Well your not likely to get a pretty head with this one, but you will definately get bone, temperment, and jump. Bas Blanc is a Selle Francais stallion, who was a pretty succesful jumper. The picture on his website does NOT do him justice, at all. I've got his first foal, and am starting him myself undersaddle. He is by far, no questions asked, the EASIEST green horse I've ever ridden, he's never bucked with me on him, and he just takes everything in stride. Bas Blanc himself has a very good temperment, I had the pleasure of riding him several times, he had a lovely canter. He has HUGE bone, and has always thrown lots of bone (although his first foal crop is only 3 this year). My colt is out of a rather thin boned, plain headed TB mare. He's got a lot of bone, and an okay head. We've put him through the freejumping shoot a couple of times, and WOW, he has the talent and scope that his sire had. Bas Blanc will definately sire a ammy-friendly horse.

Here's the link to my Ref. Sires page, Bas Blanc is the first one:
http://www.secretambitionstables.com/referencebloodlines.htm

And his first foal, my gelding, Sir Bas Blanc:
http://www.secretambitionstables.com/sirbasblanc.htm

PM me if you'd like more info, I have some more pictures of Bas Blanc as well.

[AKB]

My neighbor has 3 Landkonig offspring who are very nice, but quite big. My personal favorites are the Irish Draught Stallions. www.irishdraught.com.

[nsm]

Ironman is bigger boned plus has a beautiful head. He throws his head the majority of the time.

[Signature]

Romantic Star is stunning and has very good bone without being clunky. He also has a beautiful head and TINY ears. We just spent the whole weekend with him and he was nothing short of incredible, from temperament/manners all the way to performance and talent.

www.grayfoxfarms.com

[graystonefarm]

Not sure I understand your question. Do you want 1 sire that produces both dressage and jumpers? Or do you want one list of dressage stallions and another for jumper stallions? What registries are you considering?

If Budweiser was still here, I'd recommend him.

For a jumper foal, my vote would be for Ironman.

I would also recommend Landkoenig except he would not make improvements to for a pretty head.

As for dressage, probably an "R" line stallion. Dreamscape Farm just imported a new "R" line stallion. I'd take a look at him.

As for adding bone, I'd be cautious about choosing a stallion that is considered "heavy" or "old style". Personally, I'd go just one step up. If you go too extreme, you may end up with the same problem but with an even heavier body type. It takes a several generations to produce perfection so you need to do it gradually.

She has a straight shoulder. I would also take that into consideration when choosing a stallion for her.

Editing to add one more stallion. You may also want to take a look at Landwerder. You should get a foal with super rideablity with talent in both hunters and dressage.

Good luck!

[graystonefarm]

I went back and looked at your other posts to see if I could find your mare's pedigree. Were you able to track it down? My guess would be that she is out of a TB mare and by a Hanoverian stallion and the breeder chose not to register her. For that reason, you may want to choose a stallion without Hanoverian blood too close up in the pedigree otherwise you may end up choosing her sire (if you are not sure who it is). The same goes for TB in the stallion's pedigree. I would look for a stallion that consistently produces a strong and powerful hind-end.

You should consider registering your future foal with the American Warmblood registry. That way if someone buys your foal later on, there will be documentation as to its pedigree. Or, if you choose another registry, you may be able to get a certificate of pedigree which would serve the same purpose.

[horsetales]

Another vote for Irish Draught or sport horses.

KEC Double Diamond excels at dressage and has done jumpers as well. Lots of bone, great mind http://www.adsagsona.com/

Bridon Belfrey benmarfarm.com

Clover Cliste is a sport horse that can also give you what you are looking for

[Oakstable]

Graystonefarm has a very good point. You could breed a light boned mare to a stallion with a lot of bone, and get the same light legs and a bigger barrel.

The axiom is breed like to like.... with an eye to what you'd like to improve.

I guessed this is a TB mare.

Take a look at Regulus and Nevada.

[goodmorning]

This one looks like a old-type Hanno to me...not sure who I can suggest without knowing her bloodlines, but she reminds me quite a bit of the direct Donnerhall daughter I met...