OK TB folks...want to hear your input on my mare...

[crestline]

So I've been meaning to do this for a while but just never get around to it. I always love the info that the TB pedigree gurus post when someone asks about their mare....so I have to ask... My grey mare was quite a serious show horse (champion regular working hunter/2nd year hunter in So CAL) and now is producing out of this world foals. Her sire, Cruisin Prince, I don't know anything about or if he ever had a record of producing show kids. Would like to hear if anyone else have offspring by him and if they are as nice as mine or if ours is just a fluke...I find that hard to imagine since she's outproducing herself. Link to Ruthie Dear (show name was April Sound) is
http://www.pedigreequery.com/ruthie+dear.

Mostly I really want to know what part of this mare's pedigree should I be chasing down for future mares and client breedings as this cross is really working out as this mare is getting older and I don't know how many more there will be!

I've posted her before but this is the mare I'm talking about http://www.crestlinefarm.com/brood_april.htm

Thanks in advance for sharing all of your TB-y wisdom! :)

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Andrea, most of the "stuff I love to see" is nearly off the page in your gorgeous girl - but run down the tail female to the mare Gracias, pop up HER pedigree, and stand back in awe. THAT is what you want to linebreed to , if it were me. All of the families I dearly love in one package, I would really like to find a photo of that mare!

You also have lines back to Mahmoud on the top side, who would be (is) a great nick to that female tail line. He's likely also one of the sources of your mare's very Arab-y "bloody shoulder" coloration.

Hope to see you at Breeders Classic in the fall - God willing and all goes well, we will be there with our two TB broodies and their babes - would be happy to exchange notions on TB bloodlines for sport!

Kate

[camohn]

Up front/first 3 generations:
The topside has plenty of up front jumper talent in Bold Ruler and TV Lark. TV Lark and TV Commercial have produced some very nice jumper types. On the bottom side it is not as strong to me except for Nashua.....it does line breed the Nasrullah which can give you a hot/opinionated/sensitive horse but the Nashua lines I have seen don't seem to be as tempermental as the other Nasrullah lines.

[grayarabpony]

I've never seen a bloody mark on the face before. That is wild!

Determine is good to see for jumpers. Determine is in Out and About's pedigree.

There was some serious linebreeding going on on the bottom! Goya was a Ksar grandson and La Circe a Ksar daughter. Viney *loves* Ksar for jumping.

[BravAddict]

I knew a Cornish Prince daughter. She was a peach :)

[TKR]

My foundation mare and stallion have alot of similar bloodlines in her 3rd thru 5th generations, which is where your "goldmine" of sports blood is. I also love Nashua and had a grandson out of my foundation mare that was an athlete du jour and a pleasure to train. I have some daughters and granddaughters. Hopefully at some point they can keep the lines going. I'm doing more downsizing than breeding right now.
PennyG

[grayarabpony]

I forgot to mention that I knew a mare by Groton. Beautiful horse -- evented at least prelim -- had some trouble with hock arthritis fairly early on though, around the age of 8, but was able to keep competing with palliative care.

[camohn]

If I was looking for a TB line to preserve when broodmare shopping I would look for the Indian Hemp/TV Lark/TV Commercial breeding. The Nashua/Bold Ruler lines you also have in there are great but super common too. The Indian Hemp descendants are also very talented but not nearly as common.
This guy
http://www.pedigreequery.com/see+me+comen
was a top hunter sire and has the same Indian Hemp/Alibhai /Nasrullah cross

[vineyridge]

Gracias really was something special on paper. She was bred by Marcel Boussac, an incredibly successful French breeder who was not at all deterred by close linebreeding. There is an article about him on TB Heritage here.
http://www.tbheritage.com/Breeders/FR/Boussac/Boussac.html
He is also infamous for sending a very old and very productive broodmare to slaughter, but I'm blanking at the moment on who it was.

There is a tail female line to Gracias mare at the University of Florida. Her name is Siberian Mist (Caro line), and she has produced a bunch of foals for them. They have been breeding her to an elderly stallion named Private Talk. He looks like he would be an excellent choice for a TB sporthorse stallion, if he's still standing. He's not on their current list of stallions.

Almost all of the lines in this mare are stellar. If she were mine, and I were thinking TB for a broodmare, I'd try and go back to the Gracias well through Misty Wire. That line is still alive in tail female.

I also agree wholeheartedly about going back to Mahmoud. She even looks a lot like him. :)

[Halfhalting]

TV Lark/TV Commercial lines are my FAVORITE TB line. If you want a super hunter with her lines, think of Grande Saber. His dam was a TB with TV lines and his sire was Grundstein. One of my previous horses was out of a TB with very similar bloodlines as this mare (top and bottom flipped, but same horses there). His sire was Watchman/Weltstern and he is a fabulous hunter, but the Weltstern threw too much sensitivity for most folks. I know that this same TB mare had one of the top BWP colts in the nation by Watchman a few years ago and she has a filly by Watchman that is doing VERY well in hunters too.

One of the new stallions that folks are talking about carry the G-line - maybe Redwine? I would take a gamble with that cross personally. :)

[crestline]

Thanks guys! So you guys picked out some of the same names that I like as well. I'd heard good things about the TV line horses but didn't know any examples of offspring off the top of my head.

I'm glad to hear there was at least one other Cruisin Prince kid that was nice...lots of times we hear about what west coast TB stallions are producing a lot of a nice sport types but he's a name I've never heard before...and now that I've had the mare for a few years I've still never seen his name come up. It just seems like this mare is so nice there should be others like her out there...I wasn't sure if the amazing-ness was coming from the top, bottom or both.

Halfhalting...your info on Grande Saber is interesting...I had forgotten that he had TV commercial in there. VA Tach bred a Grand Saber/Starman/Lucky Boyxx mare to Palladio last year and got a gorgeous kid...maybe that's part of the equation that's working so well with Ruthie Dear x Palladio....hmmmmm.... But just to clarify...we're not looking to cross outside of Palladio with her...her kids are out of this world...we just know she isn't going to have too many more and I want to know how to find another one just like her!

[vineyridge]

According to a note on Pedigree Query Misty Wire had a daughter, Misty Clarion, who had a gelding colt by Proud Truth named Proud Jewell. Proud Jewell raced 49 times to age 5, then, according to PQ, retired to be a dressage horse, and disappeared after a 2002 sale.

All of the stallions that Misty Wire was bred to are good for sport.