TB Bloodline question - Press Card & Hoist the Flag

[Lion1024]

So, I just found out that the TB gelding that I adore is by Press Card and out of a Hoist the Flag mare. Can someone tell me more information about either one? He's a bay gelding and a very fancy mover. I would love to know more about his pedigree. I hope I put this in the right forum!

[SilverSpringFarm]

Interestingly enough, I have a friend that owns a HTF bred mare that is a very fancy mover and I am now looking to lease a HTF bred mare that's also a very fancy mover. We're talking dressage-type movement as opposed to hunter movement.

I'm starting to think it's no coincidence!

[Lion1024]

I was told that his half sibling (I believe through the dam) is a very fancy dressage horse competing in FL. I wonder if HTF tends to produce that?

He definitely moves more like a hunter though.

[SilverSpringFarm]

I was told that his half sibling (I believe through the dam) is a very fancy dressage horse competing in FL. I wonder if HTF tends to produce that?

There sure seems to be a connection thus far. I would love to hear from others that own HTF bred horses.

He definitely moves more like a hunter though.

Do you have any photos of him? It would be interesting to see how he compares to the two I know.

[Lion1024]

Photos? You asked for photos? You've done it now. :D

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x317/Lion1024/Bullet%20confo/?action=view&current=DSC01085.jpg

[vineyridge]

Both Press Card and Hoist The Flag are excellent sport horse sires. Press Card produced quite a few very nice event horses before he got shipped out to Turkey or South Africa a few years back. Hoist The Flag was famous for a nasty disposition but talented jumping horses.

With a mixture of the two, eventing might be a very good discipline for such a horse.

[Lion1024]

Thanks Viney. I appreciate it. I know pretty much nothing about TB pedigrees.

He started out with eventing in mind but the horse absolutely HATES dressage and lives to jump! Go figure. :)

I found some info on COTH about an OTTB called Sand and Water that looks a great deal like this horse. Too funny!

[vineyridge]

Thanks Viney. I appreciate it. I know pretty much nothing about TB pedigrees.

He started out with eventing in mind but the horse absolutely HATES dressage and lives to jump! Go figure. :)

I'm betting he got his distaste for the discipline of dressage from the Hoist The Flag side, because most Press Cards and Fappianos tolerate it. :D Might come from opinionated dams, though. :)

[Lion1024]

He is rather opinionated himself. I love him anyway. ;)

[camohn]

I don't know anything about Press Card. Hoist The Flag tends to throw fancy movers with a super jump but not the best temperment. My US Flag mare was a successful A circuit hunter: fancy mover and tended to cruise over pasture fences at whim around the farm even with arthritis in one hock. She was not very personable though...which is also rather typical of HTF.

[Personal Champ]

Lion, to further our conversation on PM, I have a Hoist the Flag gelding, 3 gens back through Personal Flag. ETA: he is the real Personal Champ, should you want to look up his ped.

He is my all time favorite horse. Talented as all hell, scopey, gorgeous, great mover. Hot back in the day, but has mellowed with age (17) and experience (owned him almost 8 years). He is now a teenager's mount, a student of mine, and was most recently the 3rd best HUS in the state after a 2 month layoff for an abcess and a colic the night before.

LOVE THAT HORSE...:yes:

[starlitlaughter]

I know a little bit about Press Card that I can contribute..

Press Card was a really well made, plain bay stallion who previously stood at Country Life Farm in Maryland. I have their stallion video from 1997 that includes a couple of Press Card's races and him running in his paddock - if I get creative, maybe I can put it on YouTube. He was grade 1 stakes-placed as a two-year old in his second start in the Champagne Stakes at Belmont Park for trainer Scotty Schulhoffer. He ran third in that race to eventual Kentucky Derby winner, Sea Hero. He later ran second in the Pegasus Handicap and Pennsylvania Derby. He made a total of 13 starts with 3 wins, 2 seconds, and 1 third for $206,500 in earnings.

Touted as the best bred son of leading sire Fappiano to stand at stud, he entered his new career at CLF in 1995, and had some initial success with his first sales weanlings and yearlings, but the excitement apparently fizzled as he wasn't getting the same number of mares that he did in his first few years. Though he did sire some very useful horses such as Shiny Sheet ($543,432), Off the Glass ($318,420), Country Music ($298,486), and more.

Press Card is out of broodmare of the year, Courtly Dee, who produced champion filly Althea, stakes winner and sire Twining (now in Japan), and six other stakes winners.

He is now standing at Erin Park Stud in Tamworth, New South Wales, Australia. His 2008 fee was reported as $3,300 (Aus).

From the limited number of his offspring that I have seen and worked with, they are very trainable with lovely hunter movement.

[allanglos]

I have a linebred Hoist The Flag TB mare that I adore. She is a fabulous mover, and throws it to her foals. Her foals also have a great jump. Her disposition is fantastic. She is kind to people and other foals. I can put beginner riders on her for trail rides, and she takes care of them. Even if the other horses on the ride gallop off, she happily walks along on a loose rein. She is a true gem of a mare.

Pedigree:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/run+really+run

[Lion1024]

Thanks for the replies everyone. I have truly enjoyed learning more about his bloodlines.

[DMK]

RBJ's former event horse, (Rhodes Point I think?) was a Press Card son. You can't go wrong with the Fapps when it comes to a jump, that's for sure, and HTF is a lovely, lovely sport horse sire.