Arab qualifications?

[JackSprats Mom]

Ok so every year this thing confuses me, you would have thought I would have got it by now BUT the AHA does not make things easy to look up.

For Regionals TL and 1st- is it two scored 58% and above and/or 2 points?

Thanks in advance I'm writing up a cheat sheet for me so I can glue it to my forehead!;)

[cyndi]

If you try to qualify at Arab dressage shows, it's points - earned by beating others in your class. You get a point for yourself, and for every horse/rider pair you beat. You need two points for Training Level Dressage, and probably for first too. But once you earn points, you can 'spend' them however you want - for example, as it was explained to me, if you earn 6 points in one amateur training level class, you can use those points to enter however many training level classes you want at Regionals - ie, if you had 6 points, you could use two for AOTR Tr, two for ATR and two for Open if you so desired.

The scores only come into play when you try to qualify at open, recognized, all breed shows. The score requirements have changed - it's 62% at Training Level. Not sure about First, since I have a green bean and haven't looked that far.

If you look online at AHA, in the handbook, it's actually in a separate section. There is a chart for point requirements, under, I think, National Qualifications (yes, I know, it makes no sense to have the chart for regional qual. there, but it's lumped with requirements for National Quals too.)

There's a separate section in the Handbook that details scores required for open qualifying. You need two scores for two rides, but it doesn't have to be from two different judges like it used to. Also, if you go the open show route, you need to sign up and pay a fee to do so.

Clear as mud?:D

[HCF]

If you are qualifying at Arab shows, you can qualify by points (as cyndi described) OR scores. I used scores from Arab A shows for my mare for Regionals last year.

[cyndi]

If you are qualifying at Arab shows, you can qualify by points (as cyndi described) OR scores. I used scores from Arab A shows for my mare for Regionals last year.

What Region are you in? Because our Regional SH person told me it was points for Arab shows/scores for open shows.

It is confusing - even when you manage to find it in the Handbook!

[Trixie's mom]

you should be able to look at your qualifications just by pulling up your qualification report on the AHA website. if you are a current member, you just put in your horse's name and voila...all current qualifications appear.

i might be remembering wrong but i believe i've used points from an open show to qualify.

[mjhco]

What Region are you in? Because our Regional SH person told me it was points for Arab shows/scores for open shows.

It is confusing - even when you manage to find it in the Handbook!

I suggest calling AHA directly. And have your Regional SH person show you where they got their information.

From the National Class List which lists regional and nationals qualification requirements http://www.arabianhorses.org/competitions/docs/NationalClassList.pdf


* = May qualify with points or scores

Example from Training: Note the *2 OR 2 scores There is an OR in there.

787 Dressage Training Level AAOTR Championship S *2 or 2 Scores *3 or 3 Scores 53
789 Dressage Training Level ATR Championship C, S *2 or 2 Scores *3 or 3 Scores 53
793 Dressage Training Level JTR 14 – 17 Championship Y *2 or 2 Scores *3 or 3 Scores 53
794 Dressage Training Level JTR 13 & Under Championship Y *2 or 2 Scores *3 or 3 Scores 53
795 Dressage Training Level Championship C *2 or 2 Scores *3 or 3 Scores 53
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[pintopiaffe]

I'm sorry, we did this back in Dec or so when I asked... I can't find the thread, and now I'm confused again. :uhoh:

So say I get two or three 70% at open rated shows. (right, but anyway) and I want to go to SHNs in KY. Do I have to go to regionals? Or can I just get my scores for Nat'ls?

[mjhco]

I'm sorry, we did this back in Dec or so when I asked... I can't find the thread, and now I'm confused again. :uhoh:

So say I get two or three 70% at open rated shows. (right, but anyway) and I want to go to SHNs in KY. Do I have to go to regionals? Or can I just get my scores for Nat'ls?

There is no requirement for attending Regionals. Once you have your scores for Nationals you can attend Nationals.

[CJBean]

I'm sorry, we did this back in Dec or so when I asked... I can't find the thread, and now I'm confused again. :uhoh:



Yep we did have another thread on this before, here is that

http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=183218

It is 2 points OR 2 scores.

[pintopiaffe]

Thanks. I wasn't searching right I guess. I *did* try... :uhoh:

[HCF]

What Region are you in? Because our Regional SH person told me it was points for Arab shows/scores for open shows.

It is confusing - even when you manage to find it in the Handbook!

I currently live in KS, but my qualification last year was in Region 15. I have shown in dressage at Region 15 for a number of years, using both scores and points to qualify - usually whatever was easiest to write on that tiny space on the entry form!!

mjhco attached a link to the chart, which shows that you can qualify with points or scores. I also just looked in the handbook - the score requirement is 58% for Training and First level.

[cyndi]

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mjhco attached a link to the chart, which shows that you can qualify with points or scores. I also just looked in the handbook - the score requirement is 58% for Training and First level.

That is outdated. Here are current score requirements, (nationals listed first) copied from our AHA Regional website, which, I assume, was lifted from AHA current handbook:

Dressage:

For Training Level, three scores of 62% or better from USEF/EC judges rated in the Dressage division or three points for Nationals and two scores or two points for Regionals.

For First Level, three scores of 60% or better from USEF/EC judges rated in the Dressage division or three points for Nationals and two scores or two points for Regionals.

For Second Level, three scores of 58% or better from USEF/EC judges rated in the Dressage division or three points for Nationals and two scores or two points for Regionals.

For Third Level, three scores of 55% or better from USEF/EC judges rated in the Dressage division or three points for Nationals and two scores or two points for Regionals.

For Fourth Level, one score of 55% or better from an USEF/EC judge rated in the Dressage division or one point for Nationals and one score or one point for Regionals.

For Prix St. Georges, Intermediate I, Intermediate II and Grand Prix, one score of 55% or better from an USEF/EC judge rated in the Dressage division or one point for Nationals and one score or one point for Regionals

[HCF]

I copied this directly from the AHA handbook on the AHA website (this was from the chapter on Regional Qualifications, thus why it says two scores), but I also emailed AHA and asked for clarification. I'll let you all know what I hear back!


a. For Dressage Walk-Trot 10 & Under classes one score of 55% or better from the USDF Introductory to Dressage test.
b. For Training Level and First Level two scores of 58% or better from USEF/EC judges rated in the Dressage Division; (BOD 2/04)
c. For Second and Third Level two scores of 55% or better from USEF/EC judges rated in the Dressage Division. (BOD 2/04)
d. For Fourth Level and Prix St. Georges, Intermediate I, Intermediate II and Grand Prix, one score of 50% or better from an USEF/EC judge rated in the Dressage Division.

[HCF]

cyndi, it turns out we are both right! I got an email back from AHA. At Training and First level, you need two scores of 58% or better to qualify for Regionals (article 1242). For Nationals, you need three scores of 62% or better for Training Level and three scores of 60% or better for First Level (article 1355). You must also be enrolled in the Open Qualifying Program. For Dressage enrollment rules, see Chapter 14 of the AHA handbook.

[Trixie's mom]

also, a regional top 5 or better will qualify you for nationals.

you only need to be in the open qualifying program if you use open scores.

[HCF]

also, a regional top 5 or better will qualify you for nationals.

you only need to be in the open qualifying program if you use open scores.

Correct, but it will not qualify you for future Regional shows - which is crazy IMO! :)

From the Handbook:

Top Tens from any show and Regional Top Five, Champion or Reserve Champion do not qualify a horse for a Regional Championship class. (Refer to Article 1366.) (Only points/scores from shows other than Regionals or Nationals will count for Regional Shows.)