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BreezyB
Feb. 12, 2009, 06:43 PM
Besides the price, is there any other big difference between these products? Is one more or less effective than the other? Thank you for your input.

beeblebrox
Feb. 12, 2009, 06:52 PM
They are the same drug. One as boxed as a preventative and one is boxed as a cure. SAME EXACT thing!




ULCERGARD is the first and only product proven to prevent Equine Gastric Ulcer Syndrome (EGUS) also known as stomach ulcers in horses.
No other product is FDA-approved to prevent stomach ulcers in horses.
The main ingredient in ULCERGARD - omeprazole - suppresses acid production in a horse's stomach.
1 mg/kg of omeprazole per day for 28 days effectively prevents the onset of ulcers in horses exposed to stressful conditions.1
Cinnamon-flavored oral paste is well accepted by horses.
Patented paste formulation guarantees stability of the omeprazole.
Once-a-day dosing is convenient to administer.
Available to horse owners through a veterinarian.
Each tube of ULCERGARD contains four daily preventive doses for horses weighing between 600 and 1,200 pounds.
Two doses are recommended for horses weighing more than 1,200 pounds.
$32.99

OR

GastroGard

What it treats:
GastroGard is made by Merial and is the first and only FDA-approved equine medication proven to heal and prevent the recurrence of gastric ulcers, even while horses continue to train.
Symptoms of the disease:
There are many clinical signs and symptoms that are associated with EGUS (Equine Gastric Ulcer Syndrome); however, it is important to note that many horses with stomach ulcers do not exhibit any obvious signs. Because the prevalence of stomach ulcers in horses has only been recently understood, ulcer symptoms can go unrecognized by trainers, owners and veterinarians. Common causes have been identified as:
infrequent grazing or hay intake intense training physical stress changes in growing foals factors such as extended time spent stallbound and certain medications given in high dosages. $32.99

Simkie
Feb. 12, 2009, 06:53 PM
They are exactly the same thing with different labeling. Where I buy, the price is the same.

BreezyB
Feb. 12, 2009, 07:16 PM
Ok, that's what I thought :)

What is curious to me is that the Ulcergard is 4 treatments/tube and the Gastrogard is 1 treatment/tube, yet they are roughly the same price per tube. Am I missing something? :confused:

CamdenLab
Feb. 12, 2009, 07:21 PM
Ok, that's what I thought :)

What is curious to me is that the Ulcergard is 4 treatments/tube and the Gastrogard is 1 treatment/tube, yet they are roughly the same price per tube. Am I missing something? :confused:

Yes.

1 treatment of Gastrogard is one tube.

1 treatment of Ulcergard is 1/4 of a tube.

So, 1 tube of Ulcergard = a full dose of Gastrogard and 1/4 tube of Gastrogard = a full dose of Ulcergard.

Simkie
Feb. 12, 2009, 07:22 PM
Ok, that's what I thought :)

What is curious to me is that the Ulcergard is 4 treatments/tube and the Gastrogard is 1 treatment/tube, yet they are roughly the same price per tube. Am I missing something? :confused:

Gastrogard is the TREATMENT dose.

Ulcergard is the PREVENTION dose.

We've had multiple threads about this. There was one within the last several days. Have you tried the search function?

BreezyB
Feb. 12, 2009, 07:25 PM
Gastrogard is the TREATMENT dose.

Ulcergard is the PREVENTION dose.

Aha! I knew I was missing something! Thanks :winkgrin:

ETA: I did do a search for GG & UG at your suggestion, Simkie. Lots of good info already on here. I bet newbies like me drive everyone nuts with repeat questions. :lol:

lauriep
Feb. 12, 2009, 07:28 PM
But, you can use them interchangeably, even though the dosing markings are different. You have to guess a bit at dividing the Gastrogard into 1/4s, but it is doable. I usually see Ulcergard a couple of dollars cheaper, but not enough to make a difference.

eks
Feb. 12, 2009, 08:27 PM
You can get Ulerguard over the counter...Gasto you need to get from a vet...

BeastieSlave
Feb. 12, 2009, 08:43 PM
I feel like we need an emoticom with crossed eyes!

For those of you who still might not quite be getting it, I'll share my story:
I suspected new beastie has ulcers. My vet can't scope, and rather than take the long multi-hour drive to the vet who can, I buy a few tubes of Ulcer Guard for $29.99 here: http://www.discountpetdrugs.com/ulo2orsy.html to see what happens. I administer one whole tube per day (as I would have if it was Gastro Guard that a vet had prescribed) and by the third day, I can tell the beastie feels much better! We're about two weeks into treatment now and he has visibly gained weight and just seems happier.

beeblebrox
Feb. 12, 2009, 10:11 PM
There is really nothing to get. IT IS THE SAME MEDICATION (Omeprazole which is gastro guard, ulcer guard or for people prilosec, so you buy the cheapest one although many places they are the same price. If one can not figure out how to quarter or half something that would be the biggest problem.

THOUGH I recommend a scope so you know weather you need the whole box to get them healed, because just giving a quarter or half tube is not GOING to heal significant ulcers.

Muleskick
Feb. 13, 2009, 12:54 AM
We used gastrogard for years it really works (ulcer guard is the same product packaged with different instructions) but now we buy the generic omeprazole from our vets at the track, 3 doses per tube for 15$. We usually give a full tube a day for the first week then go to 1/3 a tube as prescribed. It's a huge savings...

YankeeLawyer
Feb. 13, 2009, 01:42 AM
THOUGH I recommend a scope so you know weather you need the whole box to get them healed, because just giving a quarter or half tube is not GOING to heal significant ulcers.

I don't scope if I suspect ulcers; I treat with gastroguard. If they respond positively to the gastroguard, you can be pretty sure you guessed right and just continue with the full treatment course. As expensive as gastroguard is, it is far less than taking the horse to be scoped only to find it needs gastroguard (and treating with gastroguard is less invasive than scoping). In addition, I prefer to avoid taking my horses to the medical clinic where they can be exposed to who knows what kind of infectious illness.

fivehorses
Feb. 13, 2009, 01:45 PM
Can a compounding pharmacy make a tube of omniprazolene for less than the name brands of ulcergard or gastrogard? In other words, same stuff, just generic.
Anyone know?Thanks

vxf111
Feb. 13, 2009, 02:08 PM
Can a compounding pharmacy make a tube of omniprazolene for less than the name brands of ulcergard or gastrogard? In other words, same stuff, just generic.
Anyone know?Thanks

Yes, a compunding pharmacy can. My vet has said she's tried that with other clients and did not see the same results as she did with the Gastogard/Ulcergard. Her explanation is that there's more than just omniprazolene in Gastogard/Ulcergard, there are other compounds that make up the paste and help deliver the omniprazolene.

vxf111
Feb. 13, 2009, 02:09 PM
She also was of the opinion (at least in my horse's case) that I didn't need to do the full 28 days of 1 tube/day to get good results. She thought 21 days would probably be sufficient.

Simkie
Feb. 13, 2009, 02:18 PM
Can a compounding pharmacy make a tube of omniprazolene for less than the name brands of ulcergard or gastrogard? In other words, same stuff, just generic.
Anyone know?Thanks

The problem with this is that you need a way to get the omeprazole through the stomach environment. Merial includes a carrier to protect the drug. Compounded omeprazole does not usually come with any buffer (IIRC, there is one pharmacy that combines bismuth and omeprazole.)

I tried compounded omeprazole for my mare and it did not work AT ALL. In fact, it made her WORSE.

gabz
Feb. 13, 2009, 02:53 PM
what would help when doing searches would be if people type the right NAME for the product. Since they do NOT, do a search for both Ulcergard and Ulcerguard.

And then search for Gastrogard and then Gastroguard.

The product names DO NOT use the "U" in gard.

And of course, then there are those that abbreviate UlcerGard with this: U-Gard or U-Guard which is something else entirely and spelled U-gard (again, no U) and comes as a liquid, powder, or pellet but does NOT have omeprazole in it.

:winkgrin:

fivehorses
Feb. 13, 2009, 08:20 PM
Ok, I must be dense, but I need some clarification.
Right now my guy, who is about 1200 pounds is on one tube a day of gastrogard, which I purchased from the vet.
I would like to do the remaining month with ulcergard, since I can get for much less.
Now, that compounding and ingredients to deliver it are questionable, I will stick with either gastrogrard or the ulcergard.
However, is ulcergard just as effective at a full syringe or dosing for a 1200 pound horse as the gastrogard, or is ulcergard only used as a preventative?

Gastrogard, he gets a full syringe for treatment. Not seeing a ulcergard tube, I am not sure if he will be getting a full syringe or less for treatment since previous folks imply it has more dosing in it...

can anyone put this in the most simplistic terms for me to understand,
are the dosings the same for both products?
and can both be used for treatment?
thank you

avezan
Feb. 13, 2009, 08:32 PM
Ulcergard and Gastrogard are the same product...identical...same amount of medication in each tube. The difference is that ulcergard is marked in 1/4 tube increments. one dose of ulcergard is 1/4 tube, but one dose of gastrogard is the whole tube. So, ignore the product name. For a preventative, you can use 1/4 tube (of either one!). For "curing" ulcers, use a whole tube a day (of either product, they are the same!!) The only difference is the directions. GG says use a whole tube, UG says use 1/4 tube. Make sense? Buy whichever you find cheaper, then use 1/4 or the whole tube depending on what your needs are.

5Horses - giving 1 tube of UG will be the same as giving 1 tube of GG. Buy whichever you find cheaper.

fivehorses
Feb. 13, 2009, 09:47 PM
thank you, I think I got it...ok, so he will be on gastroguard, the whole tube for the next week(I bought 7 tubes), and then I will put him on ulcergard, (since that is cheaper), one tube ulcergard for the remaining 21 days. then, he goes on preventative dosing.

I wish I could talk to my vet about this, but she is of the mind to just give some mylanta.

So, thank you for clarifying all this for me.

gabz
Feb. 14, 2009, 12:08 AM
fivehorses - if you see a big improvement in 1 week, you know you are on the right track.

If you read some of the other threads about ulcers and treating them, you'll see where people that do the full 28 days then drop to a week or 2 weeks of 1/2 tube of either product. Then to 1/4 tube of either product. Then, some people can go to everyother day of 1/4 tube OR, only when the horse will be stressed.

You can add any of the soothers (U-gard in powder, liquid, or pellets; Neigh lox; Ulcer-rid, Ulcer-ease, etc. etc. ) when you go down to the 1/4 tube.

And you have the info for DiscountPetdrugs, right? They have money off right now... depending on how much you spend. Their shipments take up to 1 week to arrive. The stuff from PonyMeds is very good too. Search here for PonyMeds and you might find the most recent one.

TrotTrotPumpkn
Feb. 14, 2009, 12:41 AM
I saw "cheap" Ulcergard on Ebay today. Buyers beware and all that, but thought I would let you know.

Simkie
Feb. 14, 2009, 12:52 AM
I saw "cheap" Ulcergard on Ebay today. Buyers beware and all that, but thought I would let you know.

WOW. THAT (http://cgi.ebay.com/12-UlcerGard-omeprazole-Oral-Paste-Syringe-2-28-gm_W0QQitemZ170301938816QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Defa ultDomain_0?hash=item170301938816&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50) is a GREAT price. Too bad it's not buy it now for that price! I imagine it would end right about at $30/tube...

avezan
Feb. 14, 2009, 07:43 AM
WOW. THAT (http://cgi.ebay.com/12-UlcerGard-omeprazole-Oral-Paste-Syringe-2-28-gm_W0QQitemZ170301938816QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Defa ultDomain_0?hash=item170301938816&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50) is a GREAT price. Too bad it's not buy it now for that price! I imagine it would end right about at $30/tube...

I'm such a skeptic...especially when it comes to ebay and sellers with 0 feedback.... Notice how the photo is for 3 boxes. I wonder if they mean 12 syringes or 12 doses. The price is too high for 3 syringes, but kinda low for 12 syringes. I would be skeptical as to what you would get. The wording is not very clear.

vxf111
Feb. 14, 2009, 03:09 PM
I'm such a skeptic...especially when it comes to ebay and sellers with 0 feedback.... Notice how the photo is for 3 boxes. I wonder if they mean 12 syringes or 12 doses. The price is too high for 3 syringes, but kinda low for 12 syringes. I would be skeptical as to what you would get. The wording is not very clear.

I think being skeptical is good, you never know with eBay. Message the seller and clarify before you bid.

On the other hand, I have a vet friend who agreed to order me a round of Gastrogard and the price she gets it from wholesale is $26.50/tube. So if the eBay seller is someone who bought at the wholesale price and now just wants to get rid of the stuff because she doesn't need it-- the opening bid is not SO FAR off the wholesale price.

vxf111
Feb. 14, 2009, 03:11 PM
That seller also had some Adequan up not too long ago and eBay yanked it because you aren't able to sell prescription medicines. I betcha that's someone who is buying retail (vet tech, has a vet who is a vet)?!